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# Do some number combinations have better odds?

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As soon as I hit 5 of 5 using only 10 numbers.

Sounds like you are committed to proving you're right even if it takes a life time.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning one *

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Sounds like you are committed to proving you're right even if it takes a life time.

In light of the idea Stack just gave me I may abandon the whole "winning with 10 numbers" plan......

I'm already getting 5 of 5 regularly with 28 numbers, so the smart thing to do is play them.

If I use the 2 if 2 of 28, its only 41 lines, which is less than the 52 lines playing 4 if 4 of 10.

The only difference is that I will have to fill out the play slips each draw.

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Sounds like you are committed to proving you're right even if it takes a life time.

I really thought playing 10 numbers was a stupid plan, but I was going play them for lack of a BETTER plan.

Now that I have a BETTER plan, I think I will just go with it.

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I like the idea Stack, the LP 2 if 2 of 28 wheel makes 41 combinations.

Found one with enough combos to use all the bonus numbers.

 1 2 3 4 51 6 7 8 91 8 9 26 271 10 11 12 131 14 15 16 171 17 18 19 281 18 19 20 211 20 21 25 281 22 23 24 252 6 10 14 18 2 7 11 15 192 8 12 16 202 9 10 11 252 9 10 23 242 9 13 17 212 22 26 27 283 4 12 22 273 4 23 24 263 4 25 27 283 6 11 16 21 3 7 10 17 203 8 13 14 193 9 12 15 184 6 12 17 194 7 13 16 184 8 10 15 214 9 11 14 205 6 7 25 265 6 9 22 285 6 13 15 20 5 6 23 24 275 7 12 14 215 8 11 17 185 9 10 16 197 8 23 24 287 10 11 22 278 12 13 22 2510 11 12 26 2811 12 13 23 2413 14 15 16 28 13 14 15 26 2714 15 16 22 2314 15 16 24 2516 17 18 26 2717 18 19 22 2317 18 19 24 2519 20 21 26 2720 21 22 23 24
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I really thought playing 10 numbers was a stupid plan, but I was going play them for lack of a BETTER plan.

Now that I have a BETTER plan, I think I will just go with it.

I was chasing a five number match playing a 5/39 game using 14 numbers and never matched five numbers in 45 drawings. My problem was I assumed if I consistently got enough two or three matches with a four number match 1:15, I would eventually match five. The winnings took care of the cost of play and I made a couple bucks, but after doing the math, any 14 number group has a 1 in 288 drawing probability, I didn't want to play for 10 years.

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If you put 4-5 consecutive numbers in your wheel and it's trying to cover every possible combination of 4's then it's unavoidable, it's going to include those numbers in one of its combination of fours.

At best we could change the order the numbers are placed into the wheel, but that could result in more combos with 4 to 5 consecutive numbers.

It's useless filtering an abbreviated wheel because you'll lose the guarantee, but I'd pay the price of a Steve Player system for a program that created abbreviated wheels from the remaining combos after applying filters to a full number wheel.

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At best we could change the order the numbers are placed into the wheel, but that could result in more combos with 4 to 5 consecutive numbers.

It's useless filtering an abbreviated wheel because you'll lose the guarantee, but I'd pay the price of a Steve Player system for a program that created abbreviated wheels from the remaining combos after applying filters to a full number wheel.

The only way you can avoid having 4 to 5 consecutive numbers in your wheel is to avoid putting 4 or more consecutive numbers in the number pool for the wheel.

Of  the 752 MM drawings since its last matrix change there have been 484 drawings with no consecutive numbers, 252 drawings with one or more pairs of consecutive numbers and 16 drawings with three or more consecutive numbers.  For that reason I never play combinations with three or more consecutive numbers.

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I was chasing a five number match playing a 5/39 game using 14 numbers and never matched five numbers in 45 drawings. My problem was I assumed if I consistently got enough two or three matches with a four number match 1:15, I would eventually match five. The winnings took care of the cost of play and I made a couple bucks, but after doing the math, any 14 number group has a 1 in 288 drawing probability, I didn't want to play for 10 years.

"The winnings took care of the cost of play and I made a couple bucks, but..........."

Are you saying you played a 5/39 game for 45 drawings and made a profit but you had a problem because you didn't win the jackpot?  If your cost was covered and you made a profit, why couldn't you continue to play even if you never won the jackpot?

Ohio's Rolling Cash5 is usually won 2-3 times every week and its jackpots are always \$100K+ and have been known to exceed \$500K.  Maybe a similar system is being used by Ohioans that are a little more patient than you.

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The only way you can avoid having 4 to 5 consecutive numbers in your wheel is to avoid putting 4 or more consecutive numbers in the number pool for the wheel.

Of  the 752 MM drawings since its last matrix change there have been 484 drawings with no consecutive numbers, 252 drawings with one or more pairs of consecutive numbers and 16 drawings with three or more consecutive numbers.  For that reason I never play combinations with three or more consecutive numbers.

Four to five consecutive numbers should be due in about 700 more drawings. I wouldn't want to miss a jackpot by not playing that many consecutive numbers, but the odds are terrible. Four or five numbers with the same last digit is another bad bet but probably played often by the 1-2-3-4-5 and 2-4-6-8-10 players.

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I bought an office supply today for my new lottery playing business. My AZ lottery pencils were dull so I invested .79 cents in a pencil sharpener, I think it will boost play slip production by at least 20%.

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I was chasing a five number match playing a 5/39 game using 14 numbers and never matched five numbers in 45 drawings. My problem was I assumed if I consistently got enough two or three matches with a four number match 1:15, I would eventually match five. The winnings took care of the cost of play and I made a couple bucks, but after doing the math, any 14 number group has a 1 in 288 drawing probability, I didn't want to play for 10 years.

I don't think 14 is enough. I'm looking at the 5/39 using the 2 if 2 of 20.

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using elimination numbers

02 31 33 43 49

12 11 34 41 48

06 11 40 53 54

02 27 30 35 41

06 09 26 36 38

15 21 34 42 45

01 29 32 35 42

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 Posted: September 6, 2012, 9:08 pm - IP Logged

Numbers in play for Fri. Sept. 7, 2012

04 05 08 09 10 13 15 16 20 23 24 25 30 32 35 36 38 39 40 42 44 45 46 47 50 53 55 56

Bonus ball 3

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 Posted: September 6, 2012, 9:31 pm - IP Logged

Here is the 2 if 2 of 28 provided by LP.

Input:  16, 32, 39, 53, 40, 47, 4, 9, 45, 50, 25, 46, 5, 13, 20, 23, 8, 24, 35, 56, 15, 55, 10, 36, 38, 44, 30, 42

1. 16-32-36-45-53
2. 08-16-35-39-56
3. 16-20-30-40-50
4. 04-16-24-42-47
5. 09-13-16-20-25
6. 10-15-16-38-46
7. 05-16-23-44-55
8. 04-09-32-39-46
9. 05-32-38-40-47
10. 08-13-32-50-55
11. 23-24-25-32-56
12. 10-20-32-35-44
13. 15-23-30-32-42
14. 25-30-36-39-53
15. 10-24-39-40-55
16. 20-23-36-39-47
17. 05-13-15-39-45
18. 38-39-42-44-50
19. 08-23-40-46-53
20. 10-13-47-53-56
21. 04-15-20-53-55
22. 05-09-24-35-53
23. 24-25-42-50-53
24. 25-30-38-44-53
25. 04-40-44-45-56
26. 09-13-30-40-42
27. 15-25-35-36-40
28. 08-09-15-44-47
29. 25-45-46-47-55
30. 30-35-46-47-50
31. 04-05-25-36-50
32. 04-05-08-10-30
33. 04-13-23-35-38
34. 09-10-23-45-50
35. 09-36-38-55-56
36. 08-20-24-38-45
37. 30-35-42-45-55
38. 15-24-30-50-56
39. 08-10-25-36-42
40. 05-20-42-46-56
41. 13-24-36-44-46

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 Posted: September 6, 2012, 10:03 pm - IP Logged

I didn't pick the numbers, they picked me........ lol. lol.

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