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Posted: September 10, 2012, 12:29 pm - IP Logged

4 if 4 of 9 wheel provided by LP.

Input:  4, 9, 16, 25, 31, 32, 47, 49, 53

1. 04-09-16-25-49
2. 04-09-16-31-53
3. 04-09-16-32-47
4. 04-09-25-31-53
5. 04-09-25-32-53
6. 04-09-25-47-49
7. 04-09-25-49-53
8. 04-09-31-32-49
9. 04-09-31-47-53
10. 04-16-25-31-47
11. 04-16-25-32-53
12. 04-16-31-32-49
13. 04-16-47-49-53
14. 04-25-31-32-49
15. 04-25-32-47-53
16. 04-31-32-47-49
17. 04-31-32-49-53
18. 09-16-25-31-32
19. 09-16-25-47-53
20. 09-16-31-47-49
21. 09-16-32-49-53
22. 09-25-31-32-47
23. 09-25-31-32-53
24. 09-25-31-49-53
25. 09-25-32-49-53
26. 09-32-47-49-53
27. 16-25-31-49-53
28. 16-25-32-47-49
29. 16-31-32-47-53
30. 25-31-47-49-53

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    Posted: September 10, 2012, 5:09 pm - IP Logged

    "The winnings took care of the cost of play and I made a couple bucks, but..........." 

    Are you saying you played a 5/39 game for 45 drawings and made a profit but you had a problem because you didn't win the jackpot?  If your cost was covered and you made a profit, why couldn't you continue to play even if you never won the jackpot? 

    Ohio's Rolling Cash5 is usually won 2-3 times every week and its jackpots are always $100K+ and have been known to exceed $500K.  Maybe a similar system is being used by Ohioans that are a little more patient than you.

    I had many reasons for pulling the plug and taking my small profit; my system was based on trends, 14 numbers weren't enough to cover the changes, adding more numbers increased the cost of play, and I had to fill out 4 new playslips six days a week. The odds of a 14 number wheel matching five numbers is 288 to 1 so even if could beat probability and get a five number match once out of 100, there was still no guarantee I'd have a five number match.

    Ronnie again matched five numbers, but I couldn't find a 4 if 4 (or any) wheel that produced a five number match even though there was a 25% chance. I was using a 3 if 4 with only a 2% of matching five numbers. With only a 2% chance of winning a jackpot once in every 100 drawing, it may have taken years of being patient and ruled out ever going out of state on vacation.


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      Posted: September 10, 2012, 5:32 pm - IP Logged

      Over in the Pick 5 Forum I hit 5 of 5 with a 20 numbers set but didn't get better than 3 of 5 with the 2 if 2.

      I forced the 5 winning numbers into a set of 12 and ran a 4 if 4 of 12 wheel and still only hit 4 of 5.


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        Posted: September 10, 2012, 5:37 pm - IP Logged

        I'm now working on the premise that all 5 winning MM numbers WILL eventually be in the previous 5 draws.

        My objective is to win with a 4 if 4 of 9 which means I will still need to eliminate 10-16 numbers.


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          Posted: September 10, 2012, 5:46 pm - IP Logged

          I'm going to start posting the previous 5 draw numbers to see the number total and results.

          04 09 15 18 25 31 32 34 38 39 40 41 42 45 46 47 48 49 50 53

          The number total is 20 so I would need to eliminate 11 to play a 4 if 4 of 9.

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            Posted: September 10, 2012, 6:17 pm - IP Logged

            I'm now working on the premise that all 5 winning MM numbers WILL eventually be in the previous 5 draws.

            My objective is to win with a 4 if 4 of 9 which means I will still need to eliminate 10-16 numbers.

            Did you noticed how close the last drawings came to matching four numbers of the previous drawing?

             09/07/12 - 15 32 38 42 46    +31
             09/04/12 - 16 32 39 41 53    +16

            I was doing my workup for tomorrow drawing and a code is assigned to every previous combination and combinations with numbers near the same location on a grid have the same or similar codes.  These two combinations had the same code and followed each other which I had never noticed before and thought maybe I mistakenly tried to enter the same combination twice.

            So far in the last 753 MM drawings since the last matrix change there has been four drawings in which all five winning numbers hit in the previous 5 drawings.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: September 10, 2012, 6:23 pm - IP Logged

              Did you noticed how close the last drawings came to matching four numbers of the previous drawing?

               09/07/12 - 15 32 38 42 46    +31
               09/04/12 - 16 32 39 41 53    +16

              I was doing my workup for tomorrow drawing and a code is assigned to every previous combination and combinations with numbers near the same location on a grid have the same or similar codes.  These two combinations had the same code and followed each other which I had never noticed before and thought maybe I mistakenly tried to enter the same combination twice.

              So far in the last 753 MM drawings since the last matrix change there has been four drawings in which all five winning numbers hit in the previous 5 drawings.

              1 repetition

              3 leapfrogs

              1 other

              4/5 was doable with such a game.

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                Posted: September 10, 2012, 8:09 pm - IP Logged

                "The winnings took care of the cost of play and I made a couple bucks, but..........." 

                Are you saying you played a 5/39 game for 45 drawings and made a profit but you had a problem because you didn't win the jackpot?  If your cost was covered and you made a profit, why couldn't you continue to play even if you never won the jackpot? 

                Ohio's Rolling Cash5 is usually won 2-3 times every week and its jackpots are always $100K+ and have been known to exceed $500K.  Maybe a similar system is being used by Ohioans that are a little more patient than you.

                I pulled the plug and took my small profits after 45 drawings for several reasons. I was playing 14 numbers and using trends, but 14 wasn't enough to cover even the minor changes in the trend. The probability of any 14 numbers matching five is 1 in 288 so that meant greatly beating probability to reduce it to 1 in 100. By playing a 3 if 4 wheel, I only had a 2% chance of getting a five number match and I had to fill out a new playslip every day, six days a week.

                Even if I could have followed the correct trends with the 14 numbers, with only a 2% chance in every 100 drawings, anyone's patients would wear out. And filling out new playslips every day means no vacations outside the state.


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                  Did you noticed how close the last drawings came to matching four numbers of the previous drawing?

                   09/07/12 - 15 32 38 42 46    +31
                   09/04/12 - 16 32 39 41 53    +16

                  I was doing my workup for tomorrow drawing and a code is assigned to every previous combination and combinations with numbers near the same location on a grid have the same or similar codes.  These two combinations had the same code and followed each other which I had never noticed before and thought maybe I mistakenly tried to enter the same combination twice.

                  So far in the last 753 MM drawings since the last matrix change there has been four drawings in which all five winning numbers hit in the previous 5 drawings.

                  Ok, so I need to go back 6 drawings to have a 1.5% chance.

                  07/08/21 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 3 5/ 4 6/ 4
                  06/02/17 1/ 1 3/ 2 4/ 3 5/ 3 6/ 4
                  11/07/19 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 5/ 5
                  06/09/29 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 7/ 5
                  12/07/10 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 7/ 5 9/ 6
                  11/09/02 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 3 5/ 6
                  09/10/20 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 5 5/ 6
                  07/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 6/ 6
                  07/02/16 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 6/ 4 7/ 6
                  06/08/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 4 5/ 6
                  05/12/13 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 6 4/ 6 5/ 6
                  12/03/09 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 7
                  10/10/01 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 6 6/ 7
                  10/09/28 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 7 5/ 7 6/ 7
                  10/08/20 1/ 4 2/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 6 6/ 7
                  10/08/17 1/ 1 2/ 5 3/ 5 4/ 7 5/ 7
                  08/10/14 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 3 8/ 7
                  08/10/03 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 7
                  08/02/29 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 7
                  06/01/17 1/ 2 2/ 2 5/ 5 6/ 6 8/ 7
                  11/09/13 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 8

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                    I pulled the plug and took my small profits after 45 drawings for several reasons. I was playing 14 numbers and using trends, but 14 wasn't enough to cover even the minor changes in the trend. The probability of any 14 numbers matching five is 1 in 288 so that meant greatly beating probability to reduce it to 1 in 100. By playing a 3 if 4 wheel, I only had a 2% chance of getting a five number match and I had to fill out a new playslip every day, six days a week.

                    Even if I could have followed the correct trends with the 14 numbers, with only a 2% chance in every 100 drawings, anyone's patients would wear out. And filling out new playslips every day means no vacations outside the state.

                    I would think playing a different set of combinations each game would be a given which would mean making out new play slips for each drawing.  I do that for every game I play, that is the reason I usually avoid daily games, not enough time between games to do new workups and make out new play slips.

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                      Posted: September 10, 2012, 9:19 pm - IP Logged

                      There has been 79 of those so called "easy" wins since the last matrix change.

                      07/08/21 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 3 5/ 4 6/ 4
                      06/02/17 1/ 1 3/ 2 4/ 3 5/ 3 6/ 4
                      11/07/19 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 5/ 5
                      06/09/29 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 7/ 5
                      12/07/10 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 7/ 5 9/ 6
                      11/09/02 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 3 5/ 6
                      09/10/20 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 5 5/ 6
                      07/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 6/ 6
                      07/02/16 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 6/ 4 7/ 6
                      06/08/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 4 5/ 6
                      05/12/13 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 6 4/ 6 5/ 6
                      12/03/09 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 7
                      10/10/01 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 6 6/ 7
                      10/09/28 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 7 5/ 7 6/ 7
                      10/08/20 1/ 4 2/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 6 6/ 7
                      10/08/17 1/ 1 2/ 5 3/ 5 4/ 7 5/ 7
                      08/10/14 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 3 8/ 7
                      08/10/03 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 7
                      08/02/29 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 7
                      06/01/17 1/ 2 2/ 2 5/ 5 6/ 6 8/ 7
                      11/09/13 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 8
                      10/06/04 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 5 5/ 8
                      10/04/16 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 8 6/ 8
                      10/01/22 1/ 5 2/ 5 3/ 6 4/ 6 5/ 8
                      09/01/06 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 3 5/ 5 8/ 8
                      08/06/27 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 8
                      07/10/05 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 3 5/ 7 7/ 8
                      06/12/19 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 7 5/ 8
                      06/09/26 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 6 6/ 8
                      05/12/30 1/ 3 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 4 6/ 8
                      12/08/10 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 5/ 6 6/ 9
                      12/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 5/ 7 6/ 9
                      12/04/06 1/ 2 2/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 9 8/ 9
                      11/11/08 1/ 2 3/ 6 4/ 6 6/ 7 7/ 9
                      11/07/01 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 1 6/ 7 8/ 9
                      11/05/20 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 6 4/ 7 5/ 9
                      10/10/19 1/ 1 2/ 2 5/ 6 7/ 7 8/ 9
                      10/06/29 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 5/ 7 7/ 9
                      10/06/22 1/ 2 2/ 2 5/ 5 8/ 9 9/ 9
                      09/12/22 1/ 5 2/ 6 4/ 7 5/ 8 6/ 9
                      09/12/18 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 7 6/ 9
                      08/12/30 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 7 5/ 8 6/ 9
                      08/12/05 1/ 2 2/ 3 5/ 7 6/ 7 7/ 9
                      08/12/02 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 2 6/ 7 8/ 9
                      08/11/28 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 6 5/ 9 6/ 9
                      07/03/02 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 6/ 8 8/ 9
                      07/01/23 1/ 2 2/ 3 4/ 6 5/ 7 7/ 9
                      06/03/21 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 7 7/ 9
                      05/11/08 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 6 6/ 9
                      05/09/23 1/ 2 2/ 4 3/ 8 4/ 9 5/ 9
                      12/04/13 1/ 5 2/ 6 3/ 7 4/ 9 7/10
                      12/02/24 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 6/10
                      11/09/30 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 6 5/ 8 6/10
                      11/06/14 1/ 3 2/ 3 3/ 6 4/ 7 6/10
                      11/04/05 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 7 8/10
                      11/01/04 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 6 4/ 8 5/10
                      10/09/14 1/ 9 2/ 9 3/10 4/10 5/10
                      09/06/26 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 5 5/10
                      09/04/28 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 5 5/ 9 7/10
                      09/02/24 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 3 9/10
                      08/11/11 1/ 2 2/ 5 3/ 6 4/ 7 6/10
                      08/10/10 1/ 4 2/ 5 3/ 6 5/10 6/10
                      08/06/03 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 7/ 8 8/10
                      06/07/11 1/ 4 2/ 5 3/ 7 4/10 5/10
                      06/06/23 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 7 4/ 7 6/10
                      06/04/07 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 5 7/10
                      06/03/28 1/ 1 2/ 5 3/ 7 4/ 8 5/10
                      12/06/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 4/ 9 7/10 8/11
                      12/01/31 1/ 3 2/ 3 5/ 7 7/10 8/11
                      11/06/28 1/ 3 2/ 3 3/ 5 6/11 7/11
                      11/02/22 1/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 6 5/ 6 7/11
                      10/10/08 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 7 5/11 6/11
                      10/01/19 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 4/ 5 7/11
                      09/04/14 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 5 8/11
                      09/02/17 1/ 7 2/ 8 3/ 8 4/10 5/11
                      07/08/14 1/ 4 2/ 6 3/10 4/10 5/11
                      07/03/16 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 8 4/ 8 5/11
                      07/01/19 1/ 1 3/10 4/11 5/11 6/11
                      05/11/25 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 5 6/ 9 7/11

                      And going back 7 draws gives a 2.6% chance, which is the same as 28 numbers.

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                        And going back 7 draws gives a 2.6% chance, which is the same as 28 numbers.

                        I thought you had already picked your numbers, aren't you playing the ones you posted earlier?

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                          I thought you had already picked your numbers, aren't you playing the ones you posted earlier?

                          Yeah, Im good with the numbers I have. Even if I only hit once in a year I'm thinking that starting with 20 numbers instead of 28 is a big advantage.


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                            The only way I can get the 4 if 4 guarantee and only spend $30. a draw is to go with 9 numbers.

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                              Ok, so I need to go back 6 drawings to have a 1.5% chance.

                              07/08/21 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 3 5/ 4 6/ 4
                              06/02/17 1/ 1 3/ 2 4/ 3 5/ 3 6/ 4
                              11/07/19 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 5/ 5
                              06/09/29 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 7/ 5
                              12/07/10 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 7/ 5 9/ 6
                              11/09/02 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 3 5/ 6
                              09/10/20 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 5 5/ 6
                              07/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 6/ 6
                              07/02/16 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 6/ 4 7/ 6
                              06/08/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 4 5/ 6
                              05/12/13 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 6 4/ 6 5/ 6
                              12/03/09 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 7
                              10/10/01 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 6 6/ 7
                              10/09/28 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 7 5/ 7 6/ 7
                              10/08/20 1/ 4 2/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 6 6/ 7
                              10/08/17 1/ 1 2/ 5 3/ 5 4/ 7 5/ 7
                              08/10/14 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 3 8/ 7
                              08/10/03 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 7
                              08/02/29 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 7
                              06/01/17 1/ 2 2/ 2 5/ 5 6/ 6 8/ 7
                              11/09/13 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 8

                              Your list doesn't  include:

                               12/08/21 1/1  2/2  3/4  4/5  5/6

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