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Posted: September 13, 2012, 4:49 pm - IP Logged
Wednesday, September 12, 201224 · 33 · 36 · 48 · 56    + 06$110 Million
Saturday, September 08, 201206 · 20 · 34 · 44 · 48     + 29$100 Million
Wednesday, September 05, 201204 · 19 · 26 · 42 · 51    + 29$90 Million
Saturday, September 01, 201208 · 11 · 21 · 44 · 49    + 22$80 Million
Wednesday, August 29, 201225 · 28 · 49 · 54 · 56     + 28$70 Million
Saturday, August 25, 201201 · 06 · 07 · 20 · 49    + 23$60 Million
Wednesday, August 22, 201222 · 29 · 31 · 47 · 55    + 19$50 Million
Saturday, August 18, 201214 · 26 · 41 · 55 · 59    + 01$40 Million
Wednesday, August 15, 201206 · 27 · 46 · 51 · 56    + 21$337 Million
Saturday, August 11, 201204 · 13 · 39 · 46 · 51    + 01$253 Million
Wednesday, August 08, 201203 · 07 · 11 · 15 · 28    + 12$212 Million
Saturday, August 04, 201219 · 30 · 48 · 53 · 55    + 18$181 Million
Wednesday, August 01, 201203 · 16 · 48 · 56 · 58    + 04$158 Million
Saturday, July 28, 201205 · 06 · 13 · 36 · 50    + 13

Are you trying a similar strategy with PowerBall?

12/09/12 1/ 1 2/ 4 7/13 12/26 16/30
12/09/08 1/ 2 2/ 4 3/ 4 5/10 12/21
12/09/05 1/ 5 2/ 6 3/ 7 5/ 9 13/39
12/09/01 1/ 1 3/ 7 5/18 8/22 11/31
12/08/29 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 6 5/11 15/36
12/08/25 1/ 3 2/ 5 4/11 5/13 9/18
12/08/22 1/ 1 3/ 9 4/12 6/13 14/38

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    Posted: September 13, 2012, 5:20 pm - IP Logged

    Yes, even though PB is proving to be much less cooperative I do feel that the winning numbers will repeat.

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      Posted: September 13, 2012, 5:26 pm - IP Logged

      Yes, even though PB is proving to be much less cooperative I do feel that the winning numbers will repeat.

      Buy a $10 powerball ticket quick ticket someday. You might win the jackpot or a second prize. Save the money from those two lines Ronnie and shotgun it my friend.

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        I bought a $20 powerball ticket a few months ago. I did not win anything, but it was fun to check those 10 lines. I hate losing money man. I might do it next year again for any powerball jackpot amount. I control my spending better when I spend in buck of $5, $10 or $20 on the lottery. Spending less than $5 throw me off. I lose track of my lottery stop loss limit.

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          Posted: September 13, 2012, 5:46 pm - IP Logged

          I bought a $20 powerball ticket a few months ago. I did not win anything, but it was fun to check those 10 lines. I hate losing money man. I might do it next year again for any powerball jackpot amount. I control my spending better when I spend in buck of $5, $10 or $20 on the lottery. Spending less than $5 throw me off. I lose track of my lottery stop loss limit.

          I have played 100s of lines at a time Thrifty, and on average I can expect to get 3 of 5  ($7.) for every 100 lines that I play. You are wise to stay within your stop loss limit.


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            Posted: September 13, 2012, 5:50 pm - IP Logged

            Im not sure if the MM winning numbers have ever been contained in the previous 20 winning numbers (not counting repeats) but the 2 if 2 of 20 wheels works so well I would like to try it on MM.


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              Posted: September 13, 2012, 6:04 pm - IP Logged

              I need 9 numbers for regular play, so THESE are the ones I picked out for a 4 if 4 of 9 wheel.

              Tuesday, September 11, 201205 · 11 · 20 · 33 · 36    + 113$120 Million
              Friday, September 07, 201215 · 32 · 38 · 42 · 46    + 314$105 Million
              Tuesday, September 04, 201216 · 32 · 39 · 41 · 53    + 163$93 Million
              Friday, August 31, 201231 · 40 · 41 · 47 · 48    + 453$83 Million
              Tuesday, August 28, 201204 · 09 · 40 · 45 · 50    + 394$73 Million
              Friday, August 24, 201225 · 34 · 45 · 46 · 49    + 342$65 Million
              Tuesday, August 21, 201205 · 13 · 20 · 23 · 33    + 302$55 Million
              Friday, August 17, 201208 · 20 · 24 · 35 · 56    + 243$45 Million
              Tuesday, August 14, 201215 · 23 · 34 · 39 · 55    + 324$36 Million
              Friday, August 10, 201210 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    + 084$29 Million
              Tuesday, August 07, 201230 · 32 · 33 · 42 · 48    + 074$21 Million
              Friday, August 03, 201202 · 10 · 13 · 38 · 46    + 023$13 Million
              Tuesday, July 31, 201205 · 18 · 21 · 29 · 41    + 373$12 Million
              Friday, July 27, 201202 · 03 · 04 · 08 · 43    + 263$52 Million
              Tuesday, July 24, 201205 · 09 · 38 · 46 · 51    + 054$45 Million
              Friday, July 20, 201202 · 44 · 48 · 50 · 52    + 033$37 Million
              Tuesday, July 17, 201201 · 13 · 21 · 49 · 55    + 174$28 Million
              Friday, July 13, 201206 · 07 · 13 · 24 · 46    + 342$21 Million
              Tuesday, July 10, 201203 · 11 · 19 · 23 · 36    + 21

              In case anyone missed it, THESE are the 9 MM numbers Im going to play live for a while.

              03 05 10 13 23 38 45 46 51

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                I bought a $20 powerball ticket a few months ago. I did not win anything, but it was fun to check those 10 lines. I hate losing money man. I might do it next year again for any powerball jackpot amount. I control my spending better when I spend in buck of $5, $10 or $20 on the lottery. Spending less than $5 throw me off. I lose track of my lottery stop loss limit.

                "I bought a $20 powerball ticket a few months ago. I did not win anything"

                With the odds of winning anything at 1 out of every 31.8 tickets, you only had a 31% chance of winning back 4 bucks. There has to be another lottery game in NY that gives better odds on a $20 bet and a much better chance of winning something.

                Just saying.


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                  I lost $10. in the Positive Energy Flow dispenser down at the gas station. Im all happy though because when I asked the clerk to help me he said that it could be that when you have the winning ticket its extra hard to get it from the machine.

                  Now thats positive energy logic and worth the $10. I had him print my 30 lines at his terminal.

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                    I agree with everything you say in your response and also believe Ronnie does do as well as he says.  Yes every numbered wheel has the potential of matching five numbers just as a QP does, but we're not in the business of relying on luck.  We are here to reduce our odds of 3,904,701 through wheeling.  I used a bad example of comparing the 4if5 odds to the 5if5 odds for the mega millions.   I do realize you're using a wheel, so a better example to make my point of "hitting 4 is not hitting 5" would be to use a wheel against a wheel.  For example:  An abbreviated wheel of 4of5if5 for 20 numbers is 433 combinations were as a 5of5if5 for 20 numbers is 15504 combinations.  Who is going to spend 15 thousand dollars let alone 433 dollars on a single draw?  Yes your odds are significantly reduced, but point being locking in a 5of5if5 is significantly more difficult (and expensive).

                    Who is going to spend 15 thousand dollars let alone 433 dollars on a single draw? 

                    There are players who will spend a lot more than that on a drawing if they think they have a sound winning strategy as was demonstrated by the Michigan couple who traveled to Massachusetts to spend more than $300K on their Cash Windfall game before it ended.

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                      I lost $10. in the Positive Energy Flow dispenser down at the gas station. Im all happy though because when I asked the clerk to help me he said that it could be that when you have the winning ticket its extra hard to get it from the machine.

                      Now thats positive energy logic and worth the $10. I had him print my 30 lines at his terminal.

                      I don't know what to say Ronnie. lol, lol, lol, lol

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                        "I bought a $20 powerball ticket a few months ago. I did not win anything"

                        With the odds of winning anything at 1 out of every 31.8 tickets, you only had a 31% chance of winning back 4 bucks. There has to be another lottery game in NY that gives better odds on a $20 bet and a much better chance of winning something.

                        Just saying.

                        It is ok to spend $20 on powerball someday regardless of the odds to win. Stack you should do the same to see how it feels.

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                          Im not sure if the MM winning numbers have ever been contained in the previous 20 winning numbers (not counting repeats) but the 2 if 2 of 20 wheels works so well I would like to try it on MM.

                          If you aren't sure it has ever happened, what the logic of developing a strategy that assumes that it does?

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                            "Who is going to spend 15 thousand dollars let alone 433 dollars on a single draw?"

                            The odds against winning anything playing MM is 40 to 1 so $40 is the minimum bet any player can make and expect to win something. To guarantee winning something a player must spend $46 and play all the bonus numbers, but the odds against winning the jackpot are exactly the same as buying 46 QPs. The odds against any group of 28 numbers matching five numbers is 39 to 1 and the question here is "is it possible that a group or groups of 28 numbers can get better odds?". The answer is yes but without a hit ratio of 4 to 1, playing the 98,280 combo full wheel would result in a loss.

                            Currently we're discussing a more realistic 15 to 1 ratio and looking at betting strategies that give the best chance of matching five numbers when the 28 number group matches five numbers. Mathematically and over time (at least 50 drawings), a 4931 combo 4 if 4 wheel could be played at a profit, but a player would need very deep pockets to begin. Because we know the minimum bet is $40 a drawing to expect to win anything, that is an excellent starting point. A 2 if 2 wheel has 41 so add 5 more lines and use all the bonus numbers with a guarantee of winning something in every drawing even if none of the 28 numbers are drawn.

                            To answer your question, it's not about playing a single draw because even with a 1 to 4 ratio we can't expect that five number match in the next drawing and with a 15 to 1 ratio, we can't expect it to happen within the next month. Any group of 20 numbers should match five numbers once every 252 drawings so even with a 1 in 97 hit ratio which is equivalent to the 28 number group 1 in 15 ratio, it could take almost a years before you could expect to match five numbers. 

                            I wouldn't suggest anyone using any "if 5" abbreviated wheel unless they were using a 46 combo 2 if 5 of 56 number MM wheel or maybe a 25 combo 2 if 5 of 39 in a pick-5 5/39 game. A 433 combo 4 if 5 of 20 number wheel only guarantees one four number match ($150) compared to a 3 if 3 wheel that has the potential of multiple four number matches at half the cost. I learned downside by playing a 13 combo 3 if 5 of 15 numbers the hard way when I matched all five numbers playing a 5/39 game; I got one three number match and still lost $3.

                            By playing a"if 5" abbreviated wheels you're actually limiting your chances of matching five numbers and the prize for the win guarantee is usually less than the cost of play.

                            I am very impressed with your understanding of the game and I sincerely appreciate you sharing that with us. 

                            And for the record it was a complete misunderstanding on my part that led to the string of earlier comments.  I was thinking the discussion was about hitting 4 numbers vs. hitting 5 numbers in a single line when in fact it was about hitting 4 and 5 numbers in a wheel of numbers.  BIG difference.


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                              If you aren't sure it has ever happened, what the logic of developing a strategy that assumes that it does?

                              Now that I think about it I'm sure that it has happened at least twice, because that's how many times the winning numbers have appeared the the previous 4 draws (20 numbers max)

                                 
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