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Posted: September 17, 2012, 3:40 pm - IP Logged

All 2 if 2 of 28 lines are accurate and played for Sept. 18, 2012.

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    This is a list of the counts for the last 200 MM drawings.

    12/09/14 1-11 2-16 3-38 4-42 5-51
    12/09/11 1-21 2-23 3-25 4-33 5-46
    12/09/07 1- 2 2-16 3-27 4-32 5-35
    12/09/04 1- 3 2-24 3-32 4-47 5-48
    12/08/31 1- 3 2-30 3-34 4-54 5-55
    12/08/28 1- 3 2-32 3-34 4-36 5-48
    12/08/24 1-11 2-24 3-36 4-42 5-56
    12/08/21 1- 2 2- 7 3-18 4-22 5-24
    12/08/17 1-25 2-35 3-38 4-40 5-56
    12/08/14 1-28 2-34 3-38 4-39 5-49
    12/08/10 1- 7 2- 9 3-12 4-22 5-34
    12/08/07 1-18 2-39 3-41 4-46 5-54
    12/08/03 1- 6 2-12 3-13 4-20 5-38
    12/07/31 1- 6 2-17 3-40 4-46 5-54
    12/07/27 1- 6 2-19 3-28 4-37 5-48
    12/07/24 1-14 2-37 3-41 4-48 5-50
    12/07/20 1-20 2-33 3-36 4-37 5-54
    12/07/17 1- 3 2-23 3-37 4-45 5-52
    12/07/13 1-11 2-35 3-43 4-54 5-56
    12/07/10 1- 2 2- 6 3- 9 4-16 5-18
    12/07/06 1- 6 2- 8 3-12 4-13 5-50
    12/07/03 1- 6 2-10 3-26 4-33 5-41
    12/06/29 1-13 2-21 3-26 4-43 5-52
    12/06/26 1- 2 2- 5 3-33 4-35 5-45
    12/06/22 1-28 2-45 3-46 4-47 5-48
    12/06/19 1- 4 2-16 3-18 4-25 5-31
    12/06/15 1- 7 2-30 3-33 4-34 5-52
    12/06/12 1- 2 2- 3 3-11 4-44 5-53
    12/06/08 1-13 2-16 3-24 4-32 5-43
    12/06/05 1- 8 2- 9 3-30 4-35 5-51
    12/06/01 1- 1 2-14 3-28 4-32 5-35
    12/05/29 1- 7 2-18 3-19 4-26 5-56
    12/05/25 1-13 2-15 3-22 4-31 5-51
    12/05/22 1- 6 2- 8 3-12 4-26 5-47
    12/05/18 1- 2 2- 6 3-42 4-52 5-53
    12/05/15 1-12 2-16 3-27 4-37 5-46
    12/05/11 1-19 2-21 3-28 4-42 5-46
    12/05/08 1-11 2-31 3-38 4-42 5-47
    12/05/04 1-26 2-31 3-33 4-37 5-41
    12/05/01 1- 3 2-18 3-26 4-31 5-44
    12/04/27 1-19 2-29 3-46 4-48 5-50
    12/04/24 1-11 2-22 3-40 4-46 5-49
    12/04/20 1- 7 2-17 3-19 4-24 5-47
    12/04/17 1-10 2-13 3-27 4-36 5-43
    12/04/13 1-18 2-22 3-25 4-32 5-35
    12/04/10 1- 1 2-18 3-30 4-34 5-53
    12/04/06 1- 6 2-11 3-17 4-32 5-34
    12/04/03 1- 4 2-16 3-33 4-51 5-53
    12/03/30 1-11 2-18 3-43 4-49 5-50
    12/03/27 1- 3 2-13 3-20 4-48 5-56
    12/03/23 1- 3 2-20 3-38 4-43 5-44
    12/03/20 1-22 2-25 3-34 4-55 5-56
    12/03/16 1-15 2-21 3-26 4-42 5-43
    12/03/13 1- 4 2-12 3-22 4-45 5-47
    12/03/09 1- 5 2-18 3-19 4-21 5-28
    12/03/06 1-37 2-39 3-41 4-45 5-47
    12/03/02 1- 3 2- 7 3-35 4-43 5-51
    12/02/28 1- 8 2-19 3-36 4-38 5-46
    12/02/24 1- 6 2- 7 3-15 4-17 5-34
    12/02/21 1-17 2-25 3-33 4-42 5-50
    12/02/17 1-21 2-33 3-38 4-53 5-54
    12/02/14 1- 1 2-19 3-22 4-30 5-42
    12/02/10 1-12 2-15 3-29 4-39 5-51
    12/02/07 1- 7 2-13 3-25 4-31 5-34
    12/02/03 1-14 2-20 3-42 4-43 5-54
    12/01/31 1-11 2-12 3-23 4-33 5-35
    12/01/27 1- 4 2-11 3-20 4-32 5-44
    12/01/24 1- 9 2-11 3-21 4-22 5-40
    12/01/20 1- 8 2-13 3-15 4-49 5-54
    12/01/17 1-14 2-15 3-17 4-47 5-52
    12/01/13 1- 2 2- 8 3-29 4-30 5-50
    12/01/10 1- 5 2-11 3-40 4-49 5-56
    12/01/06 1-32 2-34 3-35 4-50 5-54
    12/01/03 1-11 2-19 3-21 4-23 5-50
    11/12/30 1-12 2-14 3-17 4-32 5-44
    11/12/27 1-15 2-28 3-34 4-35 5-41
    11/12/23 1-11 2-16 3-35 4-54 5-56
    11/12/20 1-13 2-17 3-35 4-39 5-49
    11/12/16 1- 4 2- 6 3-28 4-31 5-49
    11/12/13 1-16 2-27 3-30 4-34 5-49
    11/12/09 1- 3 2- 5 3- 9 4-18 5-49
    11/12/06 1- 7 2-13 3-36 4-37 5-48
    11/12/02 1- 4 2-20 3-21 4-34 5-46
    11/11/29 1-10 2-19 3-31 4-46 5-53
    11/11/25 1-14 2-21 3-28 4-37 5-42
    11/11/22 1- 1 2- 3 3-11 4-39 5-46
    11/11/18 1- 5 2-20 3-23 4-48 5-50
    11/11/15 1-12 2-14 3-24 4-29 5-37
    11/11/11 1-33 2-37 3-38 4-41 5-55
    11/11/08 1- 7 2-22 3-23 4-26 5-28
    11/11/04 1-10 2-11 3-30 4-35 5-47
    11/11/01 1- 2 2- 7 3- 9 4-33 5-50
    11/10/28 1- 1 2-19 3-26 4-38 5-44
    11/10/25 1-11 2-15 3-23 4-49 5-55
    11/10/21 1- 7 2-11 3-22 4-29 5-55
    11/10/18 1- 4 2- 6 3-41 4-43 5-47
    11/10/14 1-13 2-34 3-41 4-51 5-55
    11/10/11 1- 5 2-12 3-24 4-34 5-56
    11/10/07 1- 6 2-17 3-20 4-37 5-38
    11/10/04 1- 1 2- 5 3-12 4-13 5-56
    11/09/30 1- 5 2- 6 3-25 4-30 5-32
    11/09/27 1-13 2-23 3-29 4-30 5-46
    11/09/23 1-27 2-31 3-44 4-48 5-54
    11/09/20 1- 1 2-15 3-23 4-36 5-49
    11/09/16 1- 5 2- 9 3-32 4-36 5-37
    11/09/13 1- 5 2-13 3-16 4-29 5-32
    11/09/09 1-30 2-44 3-45 4-52 5-54
    11/09/06 1- 4 2-22 3-24 4-47 5-56
    11/09/02 1- 3 2-12 3-13 4-14 5-27
    11/08/30 1- 1 2-29 3-37 4-38 5-48
    11/08/26 1-33 2-39 3-42 4-44 5-51
    11/08/23 1-14 2-30 3-42 4-43 5-52
    11/08/19 1- 8 2-32 3-49 4-51 5-56
    11/08/16 1- 2 2-14 3-48 4-49 5-56
    11/08/12 1- 5 2-23 3-28 4-44 5-51
    11/08/09 1- 8 2-22 3-31 4-50 5-55
    11/08/05 1-38 2-43 3-46 4-49 5-51
    11/08/02 1- 6 2-13 3-32 4-34 5-47
    11/07/29 1-13 2-23 3-30 4-32 5-55
    11/07/26 1-10 2-33 3-34 4-38 5-41
    11/07/22 1- 9 2-30 3-35 4-37 5-48
    11/07/19 1- 1 2- 7 3-12 4-16 5-21
    11/07/15 1-14 2-17 3-28 4-41 5-48
    11/07/12 1-19 2-21 3-26 4-44 5-56
    11/07/08 1- 1 2-26 3-41 4-50 5-51
    11/07/05 1- 8 2-17 3-22 4-39 5-51
    11/07/01 1- 1 2- 2 3- 4 4-25 5-30
    11/06/28 1-11 2-13 3-19 4-35 5-38
    11/06/24 1- 9 2-11 3-24 4-30 5-45
    11/06/21 1- 3 2-23 3-37 4-41 5-49
    11/06/17 1- 4 2-11 3-14 4-27 5-48
    11/06/14 1-11 2-15 3-24 4-28 5-43
    11/06/10 1-14 2-22 3-42 4-46 5-55
    11/06/07 1-31 2-40 3-43 4-49 5-51
    11/06/03 1-27 2-36 3-43 4-46 5-54
    11/05/31 1- 4 2-32 3-39 4-45 5-53
    11/05/27 1-40 2-43 3-48 4-51 5-52
    11/05/24 1-27 2-44 3-46 4-47 5-48
    11/05/20 1- 3 2- 5 3-25 4-26 5-33
    11/05/17 1-16 2-32 3-46 4-52 5-55
    11/05/13 1-17 2-22 3-24 4-30 5-47
    11/05/10 1- 7 2-13 3-15 4-30 5-37
    11/05/06 1-16 2-26 3-27 4-51 5-56
    11/05/03 1- 7 2-25 3-27 4-29 5-50
    11/04/29 1- 9 2-16 3-19 4-35 5-48
    11/04/26 1- 8 2-22 3-30 4-40 5-49
    11/04/22 1- 5 2-24 3-36 4-45 5-52
    11/04/19 1- 8 2-15 3-25 4-45 5-55
    11/04/15 1- 2 2- 3 3-22 4-26 5-40
    11/04/12 1- 3 2-16 3-24 4-33 5-43
    11/04/08 1-10 2-19 3-21 4-29 5-53
    11/04/05 1- 4 2-13 3-16 4-25 5-34
    11/04/01 1-12 2-13 3-15 4-44 5-52
    11/03/29 1-12 2-28 3-29 4-35 5-49
    11/03/25 1- 8 2-30 3-36 4-46 5-53
    11/03/22 1- 1 2-22 3-27 4-35 5-50
    11/03/18 1- 6 2-35 3-41 4-50 5-54
    11/03/15 1-11 2-15 3-45 4-53 5-55
    11/03/11 1- 3 2-22 3-35 4-40 5-45
    11/03/08 1- 5 2- 8 3-13 4-17 5-55
    11/03/04 1-10 2-12 3-23 4-44 5-56
    11/03/01 1- 4 2-25 3-26 4-39 5-44
    11/02/25 1- 6 2-11 3-30 4-35 5-50
    11/02/22 1-18 2-21 3-23 4-24 5-37
    11/02/18 1-14 2-26 3-33 4-50 5-54
    11/02/15 1- 3 2- 7 3-41 4-50 5-55
    11/02/11 1-19 2-22 3-30 4-42 5-46
    11/02/08 1- 4 2-10 3-32 4-33 5-39
    11/02/04 1- 8 2-20 3-35 4-41 5-55
    11/02/01 1-12 2-23 3-24 4-40 5-41
    11/01/28 1- 5 2-17 3-34 4-46 5-54
    11/01/25 1- 1 2-19 3-21 4-34 5-52
    11/01/21 1- 4 2-10 3-39 4-40 5-49
    11/01/18 1- 7 2-10 3-27 4-33 5-53
    11/01/14 1-11 2-17 3-32 4-40 5-55
    11/01/11 1- 1 2-20 3-23 4-32 5-43
    11/01/07 1- 1 2-24 3-25 4-26 5-49
    11/01/04 1-11 2-15 3-24 4-29 5-33
    10/12/31 1-12 2-28 3-36 4-48 5-49
    10/12/28 1- 4 2-15 3-25 4-49 5-56
    10/12/24 1-15 2-23 3-39 4-51 5-55
    10/12/21 1- 1 2- 9 3-19 4-36 5-41
    10/12/17 1-10 2-13 3-16 4-32 5-52
    10/12/14 1- 7 2-14 3-27 4-34 5-53
    10/12/10 1-26 2-28 3-31 4-47 5-52
    10/12/07 1- 9 2-20 3-27 4-32 5-56
    10/12/03 1- 1 2-11 3-12 4-35 5-49
    10/11/30 1- 5 2-24 3-25 4-28 5-49
    10/11/26 1- 4 2-16 3-38 4-46 5-56
    10/11/23 1-13 2-20 3-22 4-29 5-46
    10/11/19 1-19 2-24 3-27 4-29 5-55
    10/11/16 1- 2 2-12 3-13 4-19 5-44
    10/11/12 1- 2 2- 3 3-25 4-39 5-56
    10/11/09 1- 5 2-12 3-13 4-36 5-51
    10/11/05 1- 7 2-19 3-50 4-54 5-55
    10/11/02 1-28 2-39 3-46 4-47 5-50
    10/10/29 1-22 2-26 3-32 4-41 5-47
    10/10/26 1- 4 2-12 3-23 4-42 5-48
    10/10/22 1- 1 2-27 3-37 4-40 5-54
    10/10/19 1- 1 2- 7 3-19 4-21 5-26

    This is the sums of those counts for all positions.

    09/14/12 TO 10/19/10 200 DRAWS/1000 ct.

    1: 19 11: 27 21: 16 31: 12 41: 19 51: 18
    2: 13 12: 23 22: 23 32: 24 42: 15 52: 14
    3: 19 13: 27 23: 18 33: 20 43: 18 53: 12
    4: 18 14: 15 24: 19 34: 22 44: 16 54: 18
    5: 17 15: 17 25: 18 35: 24 45: 12 55: 19
    6: 17 16: 18 26: 20 36: 14 46: 24 56: 20
    7: 20 17: 15 27: 17 37: 19 47: 17 57: 0
    8: 14 18: 12 28: 18 38: 16 48: 20 58: 0
    9: 12 19: 22 29: 14 39: 15 49: 24 59: 0
    10: 11 20: 13 30: 22 40: 14 50: 20 60: 0

    If you add up the number of occurances to 35, there are 636 or 63.6%

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: September 17, 2012, 9:30 pm - IP Logged

      Excellent work  RJOh, I think I like the odds on the 2 if 2 of 21.

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        Proportionally, getting one five number match every 15 drawings using 28 numbers would be the same as one in 102 drawings using 20 numbers.

        Are you saying there's s system a player/group of players can realistically expect to generate a five number match every 15 drawings or are you just speculating and dreaming?

        The "one out of every 15" is the number five number matches that are necessary to about break even playing a 28 number 4931 combo 4 if 4 wheel. That's two five number matches every three months and at least three people did that so it's more realistic than you think. Mathematically a 4 if 4 wheel should average one five number match once out of every four times the 28 number group matches five number. 

        The average player probably plays $5 or less per drawing, 70% to 80% are QPs so the odds of matching 5 + 1, 5 + 0, or the odds of 40 to 1 against winning anything are irrelevant to them. For $46 anyone can play a 56 number 2 if 5 wheel with all the bonus numbers and match five numbers every drawing. The odds of getting the five number match are 84,885 to 1, but all of this is useless information to the average player.

        The other day when Thrifty said he spent $20 and won nothing, I made a reasonable suggestion of how he could spend the same $20 and get a better chance of winning something, but based on his reply, I guess he would rather continue winning nothing so he can complain about it.


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          The lottery is a very good hobby, especially for those who enjoy complaining.

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            The lottery is a very good hobby, especially for those who enjoy complaining.

            Having an interactive website to do it on makes it easier too.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              It all comes down to what should a MM player expect to win after buying 20 QPs and the answer is simple; a 50% chance to win something. After winning nothing, an optimist might say they had "a 50% chance of winning something" and a pessimist might say the had "a 50% chance of winning nothing". If the same pessimist buys $20 worth of PB tickets, they a have a 67% chance of winning nothing and a much better chance for whining about it..

              The overall odds in MM of winning something are 1 in 40, but winning something doesn't mean very much after buying 40 QPs if that something is less than the cost of play. To cover the cost of play it takes at least a 3 + 1 or a 4 + 0 match. The odds against 40 QPs having a four number match are 383 to 1 and the odds against your 2 if 2 wheel having a four number match is 102 to 1 anytime your 28 number group matches four numbers and 21 to 1 when it matches five numbers.

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                It all comes down to what should a MM player expect to win after buying 20 QPs and the answer is simple; a 50% chance to win something. After winning nothing, an optimist might say they had "a 50% chance of winning something" and a pessimist might say the had "a 50% chance of winning nothing". If the same pessimist buys $20 worth of PB tickets, they a have a 67% chance of winning nothing and a much better chance for whining about it..

                The overall odds in MM of winning something are 1 in 40, but winning something doesn't mean very much after buying 40 QPs if that something is less than the cost of play. To cover the cost of play it takes at least a 3 + 1 or a 4 + 0 match. The odds against 40 QPs having a four number match are 383 to 1 and the odds against your 2 if 2 wheel having a four number match is 102 to 1 anytime your 28 number group matches four numbers and 21 to 1 when it matches five numbers.

                If winning doesn't mean much unless you win more than it cost to play then your are will be disappointed every time you win unless you beat the odds of winning by 50x or more because all the prizes are less than 3% of the odds of winning.

                 

                MATCH ODDS               PRIZE
                5/5+B 1 : 175711536       JP
                5/5+0 1 : 3904701        $250,000
                4/5+B 1 : 689065         $10,000
                4/5+0 1 : 15313          $150
                3/5+B 1 : 13781          $150
                3/5+0 1 : 306            $7
                2/5+B 1 : 844            $10
                1/5+B 1 : 141            $3
                0/5+B 1 : 75             $2

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                   Ronnie,   I haven't been to visit in a while

                       Are you still doing 28?

                   11- 12-  13-  19-  21-  23- 24- 25- 26- 28- 30- 31- 32- 33- 36- 39- 40 -41- -42- 43- 44- 46- 47- 49- 50

                                                                                           mega-ball  34

                   

                                                             There's  25 and  One


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                    Yes  x1kosmic, thanks for posting. 28 numbers seems like the best chance of hitting 5 of 5 every 5 - 15 draws. We have had some luck using a 4 if 4 of 28 wheel. And I have been using a 2 if 2 of 28 wheel for live play as it is only 41 lines.


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                      After stopping in on a few of the other threads and hearing people say things like "there is no such thing as a system that will improve your odds" I was sitting here doing a few simple calculations and realized this thread has done a great job of offering proof that answers the question................

                      Do some number combinations have better odds?

                      By choosing a group of 28 numbers that contains the 5 winning numbers, and playing a 2 if 2 of 28 wheel I have reduded my odds from 1 in 3.8 million to 1 in 2397. Can anyone dispute this??


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                        I cannot dispute this.


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                          I cannot dispute this.

                          LOL. Thanks  mcginnin56, I was just sitting here thinking............ I just wonder if by some wild 1 in 2000+ chance you would have had the 5+0 on either of the 2 times your 28 number hit should you have played the 41 lines?????? Maybe I just wont check, in case you missed the the $250k by $41. dollars. lol. lol.

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                            LOL. Thanks  mcginnin56, I was just sitting here thinking............ I just wonder if by some wild 1 in 2000+ chance you would have had the 5+0 on either of the 2 times your 28 number hit should you have played the 41 lines?????? Maybe I just wont check, in case you missed the the $250k by $41. dollars. lol. lol.

                            Ronnie

                            Which wheel are you using to get the 2of2 in 28 which outputs 41 lines.  I end up with 48 with the wheel

                            I am using.

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                              After stopping in on a few of the other threads and hearing people say things like "there is no such thing as a system that will improve your odds" I was sitting here doing a few simple calculations and realized this thread has done a great job of offering proof that answers the question................

                              Do some number combinations have better odds?

                              By choosing a group of 28 numbers that contains the 5 winning numbers, and playing a 2 if 2 of 28 wheel I have reduded my odds from 1 in 3.8 million to 1 in 2397. Can anyone dispute this??

                              Have you won a substantial amount using your method?

                                 
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