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Posted: September 15, 2012, 7:12 pm - IP Logged

I often wonder if those who enter Maddogs Powerball Challenge 9/15 play their numbers live in case they come in?? A 2 if 2 of 12 is only 9 lines.

 

Input:  44, 25, 48, 33, 56, 24, 54, 28, 36, 26, 42, 49

1. 25-33-44-48-56
2. 28-33-36-44-54
3. 24-26-42-44-49
4. 25-26-33-54-56
5. 24-25-26-28-56
6. 25-36-42-49-56
7. 24-26-36-48-54
8. 28-42-48-49-54
9. 24-28-33-42-49

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    Posted: September 15, 2012, 8:06 pm - IP Logged

    That does answer my question. Playing a 20 number full wheel is 6.3 times less favorable than playing a 28 number full wheel. That means a 20 number group should hit 1 in 245 tries.

    I wonder if I can get BETTER ODDS??

    Proportionally, getting one five number match every 15 drawings using 28 numbers would be the same as one in 102 drawings using 20 numbers.

    Probability is based on the total combinations in a group of 20 or 28 numbers, but if you take the numbers off the balls, statistically a group of around 20 numbers from the previous five drawings might have a high percentage of three numbers matches. Couple that with a group of 8 with a high percentage of two number matches, the probability of those 28 numbers matching five is proportionate to the percentages. The odds against any 28 number group is still 1 in 39, but statistically, your group might have a 100% chance in the percentage of the drawings when they match three and two numbers.

    So yeah, you can get much better odds.

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      Posted: September 15, 2012, 8:34 pm - IP Logged

      I often wonder if those who enter Maddogs Powerball Challenge 9/15 play their numbers live in case they come in?? A 2 if 2 of 12 is only 9 lines.

       

      Input:  44, 25, 48, 33, 56, 24, 54, 28, 36, 26, 42, 49

      1. 25-33-44-48-56
      2. 28-33-36-44-54
      3. 24-26-42-44-49
      4. 25-26-33-54-56
      5. 24-25-26-28-56
      6. 25-36-42-49-56
      7. 24-26-36-48-54
      8. 28-42-48-49-54
      9. 24-28-33-42-49

      Or how about a 12 combo 3 if 4 wheel using each of your bonus numbers 3 times?

      24-25-26-36-42 + 8
      24-25-33-36-42 + 9
      24-25-36-42-48 + 10
      24-25-36-42-56 + 11
      24-28-44-49-54 + 8
      25-28-44-49-54 + 9
      26-28-33-48-56 + 10
      26-33-44-48-56 + 11
      26-33-48-49-56 + 8
      26-33-48-54-56 + 9
      28-36-44-49-54 + 10
      28-42-44-49-54 + 11

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        Proportionally, getting one five number match every 15 drawings using 28 numbers would be the same as one in 102 drawings using 20 numbers.

        Probability is based on the total combinations in a group of 20 or 28 numbers, but if you take the numbers off the balls, statistically a group of around 20 numbers from the previous five drawings might have a high percentage of three numbers matches. Couple that with a group of 8 with a high percentage of two number matches, the probability of those 28 numbers matching five is proportionate to the percentages. The odds against any 28 number group is still 1 in 39, but statistically, your group might have a 100% chance in the percentage of the drawings when they match three and two numbers.

        So yeah, you can get much better odds.

        Proportionally, getting one five number match every 15 drawings using 28 numbers would be the same as one in 102 drawings using 20 numbers.

        Are you saying there's s system a player/group of players can realistically expect to generate a five number match every 15 drawings or are you just speculating and dreaming?

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          I often wonder if those who enter Maddogs Powerball Challenge 9/15 play their numbers live in case they come in?? A 2 if 2 of 12 is only 9 lines.

           

          Input:  44, 25, 48, 33, 56, 24, 54, 28, 36, 26, 42, 49

          1. 25-33-44-48-56
          2. 28-33-36-44-54
          3. 24-26-42-44-49
          4. 25-26-33-54-56
          5. 24-25-26-28-56
          6. 25-36-42-49-56
          7. 24-26-36-48-54
          8. 28-42-48-49-54
          9. 24-28-33-42-49

          Matching three in that challenge is a rarity and that's assuming all possible combinations were played.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            Posted: September 15, 2012, 10:06 pm - IP Logged

            Proportionally, getting one five number match every 15 drawings using 28 numbers would be the same as one in 102 drawings using 20 numbers.

            Are you saying there's s system a player/group of players can realistically expect to generate a five number match every 15 drawings or are you just speculating and dreaming?

            Not sure if you have been paying attention  RJOh, but Im a player who has generated a 5 number match every 5 draws over the past 25 draws using 28 numbers.


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              Posted: September 15, 2012, 10:15 pm - IP Logged

              Ronnie316 – 5+0 June 15, 2012---- 5+0 July 17, 2012 ---5+1 Aug. 10, 2012 

              5+0 Aug. 21, 2012   5+0 Sept. 7, 2012

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                Not sure if you have been paying attention  RJOh, but Im a player who has generated a 5 number match every 5 draws over the past 25 draws using 28 numbers.

                Yes I've been paying attention, you described how you could have matched 5 if you had made up 20,000 play slips and spent $98,000 playing them every drawing but you didn't actually do any of that.  It's a great plan but talking 'n planning ain't doing.

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                  Yes I've been paying attention, you described how you could have matched 5 if you had made up 20,000 play slips and spent $98,000 playing them every drawing but you didn't actually do any of that.  It's a great plan but talking 'n planning ain't doing.

                  Are you saying there's s system a player/group of players can realistically expect to generate a five number match every 15 drawings or are you just speculating and dreaming?

                  All those facts are clearly understood, but they have nothing to do with the question you asked.

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                    Are you saying there's s system a player/group of players can realistically expect to generate a five number match every 15 drawings or are you just speculating and dreaming?

                    All those facts are clearly understood, but they have nothing to do with the question you asked.

                    I assumed he was talking about at least breaking even, surely he wouldn't  expect some one or group to fill out 20,000 play slips and spend $98,000 fifteen times to get a prize of $250,000.

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                      Posted: September 15, 2012, 11:20 pm - IP Logged

                      My group of 20 PB numbers in play for Sat. Sept. 15, 2012.

                      01 04 06 08 11 19 20 21 24 25 26 28 33 36 42 44 48 49 54 56

                      bonus ball  8

                      Ronnie hits 3+0 playing 20 numbers

                      Saturday, September 15, 201203 · 20 · 26 · 43 · 48    01$125 Million
                      Wednesday, September 12, 201224 · 33 · 36 · 48 · 56    06$110 Million
                      Saturday, September 08, 201206 · 20 · 34 · 44 · 48    29$100 Million
                      Wednesday, September 05, 201204 · 19 · 26 · 42 · 51    29$90 Million
                      Saturday, September 01, 201208 · 11 · 21 · 44 · 49    22$80 Million
                      Wednesday, August 29, 201225 · 28 · 49 · 54 · 56    28$70 Million
                      Saturday, August 25, 201201 · 06 · 07 · 20 · 49    23$60 Million
                      Wednesday, August 22, 201222 · 29 · 31 · 47 · 55    19$50 Million
                      Saturday, August 18, 201214 · 26 · 41 · 55 · 59    01$40 Million
                      Wednesday, August 15, 201206 · 27 · 46 · 51 · 56    21$337 Million
                      Saturday, August 11, 201204 · 13 · 39 · 46 · 51    01$253 Million
                      Wednesday, August 08, 201203 · 07 · 11 · 15 · 28    12

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                        I assumed he was talking about at least breaking even, surely he wouldn't  expect some one or group to fill out 20,000 play slips and spend $98,000 fifteen times to get a prize of $250,000.

                        He maybe talkin about playing the 4 if 4 of 28 wheel which he says is 4931 lines. That's an expense of $62k for 15 draws and has a 1 in 4 chance of hitting 5 of 5 so playing 60 draws would be $248k and break even.

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                          Posted: September 16, 2012, 6:27 am - IP Logged

                          I played the 10 lines I posted on the prediction board and got a 1+1 for $4.  Too bad they didn't double the pay out for that too when they doubled the ticket prices.  I'll be playing another 10 lines on Wednesday.

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                            Posted: September 16, 2012, 6:43 am - IP Logged

                            I played the 10 lines I posted on the prediction board and got a 1+1 for $4.  Too bad they didn't double the pay out for that too when they doubled the ticket prices.  I'll be playing another 10 lines on Wednesday.

                            WTG RJ!

                            I hit one number on 2 lines. Too bad they couldn't double the payout for that. Wait a minute.... 2 x 0 =0. So I guess it wouldn't help me there.    Jester Laugh


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                              I played the 10 lines I posted on the prediction board and got a 1+1 for $4.  Too bad they didn't double the pay out for that too when they doubled the ticket prices.  I'll be playing another 10 lines on Wednesday.

                              Sorry  RJOh, I am still "speculating and dreaming" about having proven that break even play (or BETTER) is posible in 60 draws or less.

                                 
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