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Posted: September 19, 2012, 10:13 am - IP Logged

All 2 if 2 of 28 lines are accurate and played for Sept. 18, 2012.

MATCHES

MATCH 0 = 23
MATCH 1 = 15
MATCH 2 = 3
MATCH 3 = 0
MATCH 4 = 0
MATCH 5 = 0

Better luck next time.

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    Ronnie

    Which wheel are you using to get the 2of2 in 28 which outputs 41 lines.  I end up with 48 with the wheel

    I am using.

    RL

    LP has a 41 combo 2 if 2 wheel that works fine with Ronnie's strategy of using only one bonus number. I compared the LP wheel to a 48 combo 2 if 2 I made using covermaster and the LP wheel had one more three number match when Ronnie's 28 number group matched all five numbers. I'd probably use the 48 combo wheel just to get the extra bonus number coverage, but even though the goal is to win a jackpot, Ronnie's bonus number strategy can produce a better smaller prize return.


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      MATCHES

      MATCH 0 = 23
      MATCH 1 = 15
      MATCH 2 = 3
      MATCH 3 = 0
      MATCH 4 = 0
      MATCH 5 = 0

      Better luck next time.

      Thanks  RJOh, the elimination numbers I use are vital for getting BETTER ODDS. This draw they cost me one of the winning numbers, leaving me with 3 of 5 instead of 4 of 5. 

      I'm very happy to make this sacrifice, as the consolation prizes are of no importance whatsoever to me.


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        Have you won a substantial amount using your method?

        Have YOU won a substantial amount using YOUR method??


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          X1kosmic hits 5+1.   Excellent work.

          X1kosmic – 5+0 July 10, 2012 --  5+1 Sept. 18, 2012

          2  3  5  6  7  9  11  12  13  17  19  21  22  23  29  31  32  36  37  41  42  43  44  47  49  51  52  54

           bonus (36)

          Tuesday, September 18, 201205 · 09 · 22 · 36 · 49    363$15 Million
          Friday, September 14, 201216 · 17 · 21 · 40 · 51    204$12 Million
          Tuesday, September 11, 201205 · 11 · 20 · 33 · 36    113$120 Million
          Friday, September 07, 201215 · 32 · 38 · 42 · 46    314$105 Million
          Tuesday, September 04, 201216 · 32 · 39 · 41 · 53    16

           

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            If winning doesn't mean much unless you win more than it cost to play then your are will be disappointed every time you win unless you beat the odds of winning by 50x or more because all the prizes are less than 3% of the odds of winning.

             

            MATCH ODDS               PRIZE
            5/5+B 1 : 175711536       JP
            5/5+0 1 : 3904701        $250,000
            4/5+B 1 : 689065         $10,000
            4/5+0 1 : 15313          $150
            3/5+B 1 : 13781          $150
            3/5+0 1 : 306            $7
            2/5+B 1 : 844            $10
            1/5+B 1 : 141            $3
            0/5+B 1 : 75             $2

            Those are the odds QP players get because they get 5 of 56 numbers and the same odds apply to a 46 combo 2 if 5 of 56 numbers wheel and 46 QPs. The odds of having a four number match for both plays is 333 to 1.

            We're trying to better the 39 to 1 odds that any group of 28 numbers gets and the odd against three or four number matches are proprotional to the number of three and four number matches in a group of 28 numbers. When any of four of the 28 numbers match, there are 24 four number matches. The odds against having a 4 number match is reduced to 4095 to 1 if only one of the 98,280 were played. The odds having a four number match when four of the 28 numbers are drawn and 41 of the combos are used is 4095 to 41 or about 100 to 1. If someone played 41 QPs, the odds of having a four number match is 15,313 to 41 or 373 to 1.

            There is a ZERO chance of having a four number match when only three of the 28 numbers are drawn, but the objective here is to get more than 1 out of 39 five number matches and and using that as a betting strategy. The 15 to 1 is the ratio of five number number matches is necessary to get the mathematical break-even point of using a 4931 combo 4 if 4 wheel. The idea isn't to break even but to get a five number match with the bonus number like Ronnie already did using a group of 28 numbers.

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              Hi Stack

              I have been reading and trying to catch up on this thread as I have so busy I seem to have missed about

              80 pages since I last visited.  If Ron's money does not run out first he should have a good shot at hitting

              some good prizes.  Hitting the 5of5 in 28 can be a chore to it's self as the odds say that we can expect to

              match 2.5 numbers in 28.  I wish I knew what maddog and a few others were using to make there selections

              as they seem to be doing far better than expected.  I noticed that several of them have hit 5+0 or 5+1 a

              few times but I don't know over what span of draws it took.  It takes 792 lines to cover 12 numbers and

              the odds for any singls draw would 792 in 3819816 or 1 in 4823 for a 5of5.  I don't think these guys/ gals

              have been playing quite that long.  I have started playing the big games in a pool formed from LP members

              and so far the groups are kicking my but.  Everything else I use is close to my 5-39 and I am working on a

              few tools for the groups but only time will tell.  Anyway thanls for the reply.

              RL

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                Posted: September 19, 2012, 12:27 pm - IP Logged

                Have you won a substantial amount using your method?

                We started out trying to prove that some number combinations do have better odds and proved it's possible to create groups of 28 numbers that have better odds than the 1 out of 39 drawings that every group of 28 numbers have. Currently we're trying to reduce the ratio to 1 out of 15 drawings that would give us a mathematical advantage and the potential of winning a substantial amount.

                Playing 41 QPs gives a player odds of 95,237 to 1 odds of having a five number match and winning $250,000 in every drawing and it's exactly the same odds as playing any 41 of the 98,280 combos in a full 28 number wheel. The difference is a 15 to 1 ratio gives the player using 41 of the 98,280 combos odds of about 2400 to 1 of having a five number match and winning $250,000 once in every 15 drawings. The odds of having a four number match is 100 to 1 compared the 373 to 1 odds the QP player gets.

                We're still trying to find a realistic betting strategy and you're asking for substantial results. How would you use the advantage of knowing one out of 98,280 combos will match all five numbers once every 15 drawings?

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                  Hi Stack

                  I have been reading and trying to catch up on this thread as I have so busy I seem to have missed about

                  80 pages since I last visited.  If Ron's money does not run out first he should have a good shot at hitting

                  some good prizes.  Hitting the 5of5 in 28 can be a chore to it's self as the odds say that we can expect to

                  match 2.5 numbers in 28.  I wish I knew what maddog and a few others were using to make there selections

                  as they seem to be doing far better than expected.  I noticed that several of them have hit 5+0 or 5+1 a

                  few times but I don't know over what span of draws it took.  It takes 792 lines to cover 12 numbers and

                  the odds for any singls draw would 792 in 3819816 or 1 in 4823 for a 5of5.  I don't think these guys/ gals

                  have been playing quite that long.  I have started playing the big games in a pool formed from LP members

                  and so far the groups are kicking my but.  Everything else I use is close to my 5-39 and I am working on a

                  few tools for the groups but only time will tell.  Anyway thanls for the reply.

                  RL

                  Hey RL,

                  A long time ago I came to the conclusion the betting strategy is critical if you can chose the correct numbers out of a large group of numbers. Breaking even or playing at greatly reduced cost over time is better than throwing most of the tickets in the trash, but the idea is to win a jackpot.

                  The first time I matched five numbers using a 3 if 5 of 15 numbers wheel and of course only had 1 three number match, it occurred to me the order I used to entered the 15 numbers into the wheel was the reason I didn't have a five number match. The problem is there are 360,360 different orders and only 13 of them would give me a five number match. With only a 0.36% chance of finding the correct order, I quickly gave up that idea.

                  I'm glad you're taking an interest in this discussion because I know you have sound ideas to help us find even better ways to select a group of 28 numbers that could exceed the 15 to 1 ratio. And there isn't anyone here interrupting us by running useless Monte Carlo QP simulations.

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                    X1kosmic hits 5+1.   Excellent work.

                    X1kosmic – 5+0 July 10, 2012 --  5+1 Sept. 18, 2012

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                     bonus (36)

                    Tuesday, September 18, 201205 · 09 · 22 · 36 · 49    363$15 Million
                    Friday, September 14, 201216 · 17 · 21 · 40 · 51    204$12 Million
                    Tuesday, September 11, 201205 · 11 · 20 · 33 · 36    113$120 Million
                    Friday, September 07, 201215 · 32 · 38 · 42 · 46    314$105 Million
                    Tuesday, September 04, 201216 · 32 · 39 · 41 · 53    16

                     

                    When I noticed the numbers were in numerical order, I didn't think I'd find a five number match using an assortment of wheels and I didn't. The 41 combo LP 2 if 2 wheel had a 3 + 1 match and a 137 combo 3 if 5 had a 4 + 1 match. The 4 if 5 wheel actually had more four numbers matches than the 4 if 4.

                    The numerical order doesn't change the fact X1's group of 28 numbers and the bonus matched 5 + 1 and the possibility that even six lines could produce a jackpot win.


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                      Is it still 28?

                      Thanks Stack,

                      After some searching I found the original post with X's numbers. On page 25 he posted some scattered lines but then posted the full 28 in numerical order so I don't know how they were selected or in what order.

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                        X1kosmic hits 5+1.   Excellent work.

                        X1kosmic – 5+0 July 10, 2012 --  5+1 Sept. 18, 2012

                        2  3  5  6  7  9  11  12  13  17  19  21  22  23  29  31  32  36  37  41  42  43  44  47  49  51  52  54

                         bonus (36)

                        Tuesday, September 18, 201205 · 09 · 22 · 36 · 49    363$15 Million
                        Friday, September 14, 201216 · 17 · 21 · 40 · 51    204$12 Million
                        Tuesday, September 11, 201205 · 11 · 20 · 33 · 36    113$120 Million
                        Friday, September 07, 201215 · 32 · 38 · 42 · 46    314$105 Million
                        Tuesday, September 04, 201216 · 32 · 39 · 41 · 53    16

                         

                        You sure got a way of making a guy feel  good  there  Ronnie316

                               I do pick numbers for certain reasons,     Thanks.... mabey I can Jar my memory  loose.

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                          You sure got a way of making a guy feel  good  there  Ronnie316

                                 I do pick numbers for certain reasons,     Thanks.... mabey I can Jar my memory  loose.

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                          Congratulation on the win. Welcome to the 5+1 club.


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                            The only thing I have for PB tonight......

                            Input:  55, 15, 51, 14, 46, 20, 28, 44, 36, 6, 11, 47

                            1. 14-15-46-51-55
                            2. 14-28-36-44-55
                            3. 06-11-20-47-55
                            4. 06-14-15-28-46
                            5. 06-15-20-44-46
                            6. 11-15-36-46-47
                            7. 06-20-28-36-51
                            8. 11-28-44-47-51
                            9. 11-14-20-44-47


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                              eliminations for MM Fri. Sept. 21, 2012.

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                              28 34 39 40 56

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