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Posted: September 22, 2012, 9:01 am - IP Logged

As states start allowing players to buy tickets on line, they may include a feature that allows them to just dump a text file with all the combinations and then play slips won't be needed to play a bunch of lines.

The online horse racing books allows "all" and "wheel" bets so the lotteries could use something similar and set up full wheel bets. Dumping a text file is the same as handing a clerk a list of numbers because the combinations still have to be entered. The difficult part is getting enough money into the accounts or cover the larger bets. They set limits on daily, weekly, and monthly deposits.


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    All good points Stack.


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      eliminations for MM Fri. Sept. 21, 2012.

      23 33 36 39 46

      28 34 39 40 56

      11 13 27 35 52

      The eliminations hit "46" but it doesn't matter because the 03 and 14 were no where to be found.


      Friday, September 21, 2012
      03 · 13 · 14 · 46 · 55    344$12 Million
      Tuesday, September 18, 201205 · 09 · 22 · 36 · 49    363$15 Million
      Friday, September 14, 201216 · 17 · 21 · 40 · 51    204$12 Million
      Tuesday, September 11, 201205 · 11 · 20 · 33 · 36    113$120 Million
      Friday, September 07, 201215 · 32 · 38 · 42 · 46    314$105 Million
      Tuesday, September 04, 201216 · 32 · 39 · 41 · 53    163$93 Million
      Friday, August 31, 201231 · 40 · 41 · 47 · 48    453$83 Million
      Tuesday, August 28, 201204 · 09 · 40 · 45 · 50    394$73 Million
      Friday, August 24, 201225 · 34 · 45 · 46 · 49    342$65 Million
      Tuesday, August 21, 201205 · 13 · 20 · 23 · 33    302$55 Million
      Friday, August 17, 201208 · 20 · 24 · 35 · 56    243$45 Million
      Tuesday, August 14, 201215 · 23 · 34 · 39 · 55      324$36 Million
      Friday, August 10, 201210 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    084$29 Million
      Tuesday, August 07, 201230 · 32 · 33 · 42 · 48    074$21 Million
      Friday, August 03, 201202 · 10 · 13 · 38 · 46    02
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        The online horse racing books allows "all" and "wheel" bets so the lotteries could use something similar and set up full wheel bets. Dumping a text file is the same as handing a clerk a list of numbers because the combinations still have to be entered. The difficult part is getting enough money into the accounts or cover the larger bets. They set limits on daily, weekly, and monthly deposits.

        I suppose there would have to be limits because a full wheel of 15 numbers with only one bonus ball would be over 3000 and if you specified every bonus numbers it could be almost 140K.  A person with enough money could dominate the whole system, something they have rules to avoid at the terminals.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Posted: September 22, 2012, 11:31 am - IP Logged

          The eliminations hit "46" but it doesn't matter because the 03 and 14 were no where to be found.


          Friday, September 21, 2012
          03 · 13 · 14 · 46 · 55    344$12 Million
          Tuesday, September 18, 201205 · 09 · 22 · 36 · 49    363$15 Million
          Friday, September 14, 201216 · 17 · 21 · 40 · 51    204$12 Million
          Tuesday, September 11, 201205 · 11 · 20 · 33 · 36    113$120 Million
          Friday, September 07, 201215 · 32 · 38 · 42 · 46    314$105 Million
          Tuesday, September 04, 201216 · 32 · 39 · 41 · 53    163$93 Million
          Friday, August 31, 201231 · 40 · 41 · 47 · 48    453$83 Million
          Tuesday, August 28, 201204 · 09 · 40 · 45 · 50    394$73 Million
          Friday, August 24, 201225 · 34 · 45 · 46 · 49    342$65 Million
          Tuesday, August 21, 201205 · 13 · 20 · 23 · 33    302$55 Million
          Friday, August 17, 201208 · 20 · 24 · 35 · 56    243$45 Million
          Tuesday, August 14, 201215 · 23 · 34 · 39 · 55      324$36 Million
          Friday, August 10, 201210 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    084$29 Million
          Tuesday, August 07, 201230 · 32 · 33 · 42 · 48    074$21 Million
          Friday, August 03, 201202 · 10 · 13 · 38 · 46    02

          For the last three draws, the winning numbers go back further than 50.

          12/09/21 18/ 4 30/ 9 36/11 43/16 54/33
          12/09/18  6/ 2 10/ 2 23/ 6 28/ 7 55/35
          12/09/14 11/ 3 16/ 4 38/13 42/15 51/27

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            For the last three draws, the winning numbers go back further than 50.

            12/09/21 18/ 4 30/ 9 36/11 43/16 54/33
            12/09/18  6/ 2 10/ 2 23/ 6 28/ 7 55/35
            12/09/14 11/ 3 16/ 4 38/13 42/15 51/27

            Thanks  RJOh, if its past 35 I don't even notice how far.

            I did notice in the list of the past 200 draws you posted that there were stretches of 20 - 21 draws, two different times where no 5 of 5's hit within 35 numbers.

            Thats some long dry spells for wanting to hit every 10 draws on average.


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              Depending on which strategy you use to create a group, "a group" could be a different group every drawing. Back testing to find which specific group of 28 numbers produced the most five number matches in the history (about 750 drawings) might be useless because that same group could match less than probability in the future.

              Strategies could include placing all the numbers into an order that changes after every drawing, divide them into sections, and determining which sections produce the most hits. Find four 7 number sections that consistently match 1 or 2 numbers and you'll have your 28 numbers. Another strategy could place all the numbers into categories like decades, last digit, or repeats from one or two drawings.

              I tried using standard (high percentage) filters on large groups of numbers, but even a 90% reduction leaves over 65,000 playable combos in a 40 number group. I've never found a program that could create an abbreviated wheel after applying filters so that's not an option. Maybe someone will give us some different ideas on how to create a group of 28 numbers that could get the 7.5%.

              If my math is correct the group of 35 hits 5 of 5 a full 10% of the time, so that seems like real progress.


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                Im still very interested in the group of 28 that hit 10 draws in a row.........

                Can anyone list the dates of those 10 draws??

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                  If my math is correct the group of 35 hits 5 of 5 a full 10% of the time, so that seems like real progress.

                  I was going back to see if certain positions in the list of 56 numbers hit more than others and I got a headache so I quit.  It's just too much thinking and variations to comprehend.

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                    I was going back to see if certain positions in the list of 56 numbers hit more than others and I got a headache so I quit.  It's just too much thinking and variations to comprehend.

                    What I cant understand is how a certain group of 28 can hit 10 times?? It must have had lots of repeating winning numbers and that's what got me started at using recent past results.

                    The thing is I never looked at those 10 winning results lines.

                    Whenever someone can get the list Im very interested in seeing it.

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                      What I cant understand is how a certain group of 28 can hit 10 times?? It must have had lots of repeating winning numbers and that's what got me started at using recent past results.

                      The thing is I never looked at those 10 winning results lines.

                      Whenever someone can get the list Im very interested in seeing it.

                      Let that be a lesson, always check for yourself what others claim.

                      On page 14 of this thread  after you asked how one could go about creating such a group I produced a group of 28 numbers using the most popular combinations of two's at the time which matched five 28 times in the previous drawings since the last matrix change.  I posted the dates and combinations which you could have checked and still can.  I just rechecked that group and it has since matched five again on 07/27/12. 

                      For the group that matched five 10 times in a short period of time, you will have to find the member that made the claim, maybe they made it in another thread.

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                        In the last 8 MM drawings because some of the numbers hit multiple times, a group of 28 numbers produced 8 straight 5 + 0 hits. One of the numbers 2, 9, 40, and 53 were in every drawing. The probability is each number should be drawn once out of every 12 drawings but since 23 numbers weren't drawn in the last 10 drawings, at the least 13 numbers will not be drawn in a 12 drawing cycle. There were 34 different numbers drawn in the last 12 drawings. It's cause and effect because if some of the numbers are drawn multiple times in a 12 drawing cycle, other numbers can't be drawn. 

                        RJ probably gave you the easiest way to create a group of 28 numbers that should better the 2.6% probability.

                        Another distinct 28 number group was drawn on June 5 when all five numbers were high.

                        This post by Stack also is from page 14............. Here he talks about "8 straight 5+0 hits"


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                          PowerBall may go deep but it often starts deep, often you can skip the first 15 numbers and still cover all the winners.

                          09/19/12 1-17 2-24 3-37 4-43 5-44
                          09/15/12 1- 4 2- 7 3-12 4-36 5-58
                          09/12/12 1- 5 2-18 3-40 4-53 5-56
                          09/08/12 1- 9 2-16 3-18 4-34 5-49
                          09/05/12 1-20 2-25 3-26 4-31 5-59
                          09/01/12 1- 3 2-26 3-45 4-49 5-56
                          08/29/12 1- 5 2-18 3-25 4-38 5-58
                          08/25/12 1-10 2-19 3-37 4-42 5-46
                          08/22/12 1- 4 2-31 3-39 4-41 5-59
                          08/18/12 1-18 2-24 3-39 4-40 5-53
                          08/15/12 1- 4 2- 5 3-17 4-20 5-46
                          08/11/12 1-16 2-22 3-30 4-36 5-53
                          08/08/12 1- 6 2-34 3-35 4-41 5-54
                          08/04/12 1- 3 2-27 3-31 4-39 5-48
                          08/01/12 1- 6 2-14 3-20 4-36 5-48
                          07/28/12 1-11 2-20 3-31 4-49 5-56
                          07/25/12 1- 3 2-15 3-20 4-24 5-26
                          07/21/12 1-22 2-43 3-53 4-55 5-59
                          07/18/12 1- 6 2-21 3-32 4-56 5-59
                          07/14/12 1-22 2-30 3-42 4-57 5-58
                          07/11/12 1- 2 2-31 3-39 4-46 5-55
                          07/07/12 1- 4 2-17 3-21 4-33 5-54
                          07/04/12 1-17 2-20 3-28 4-39 5-49
                          06/30/12 1- 8 2- 9 3-18 4-21 5-45
                          06/27/12 1-34 2-39 3-47 4-49 5-50
                          06/23/12 1-25 2-29 3-33 4-38 5-42
                          06/20/12 1- 9 2-13 3-19 4-20 5-38
                          06/16/12 1- 3 2-25 3-49 4-50 5-58
                          06/13/12 1- 5 2- 8 3-12 4-18 5-22
                          06/09/12 1-10 2-13 3-42 4-47 5-59
                          06/06/12 1-13 2-33 3-47 4-51 5-59
                          06/02/12 1- 1 2- 2 3-38 4-49 5-51
                          05/30/12 1-18 2-19 3-24 4-25 5-55
                          05/26/12 1- 5 2- 7 3-39 4-40 5-54
                          05/23/12 1- 7 2-13 3-23 4-31 5-54
                          05/19/12 1- 8 2-20 3-34 4-36 5-45
                          05/16/12 1- 7 2-28 3-52 4-54 5-55
                          05/12/12 1-19 2-35 3-45 4-48 5-53
                          05/09/12 1- 6 2-38 3-42 4-47 5-48
                          05/05/12 1-17 2-29 3-47 4-48 5-58
                          05/02/12 1-12 2-32 3-37 4-48 5-52
                          04/28/12 1-12 2-32 3-49 4-53 5-55
                          04/25/12 1-29 2-34 3-41 4-49 5-52
                          04/21/12 1- 1 2-12 3-35 4-41 5-43
                          04/18/12 1-13 2-18 3-34 4-41 5-58
                          04/14/12 1- 1 2-12 3-16 4-23 5-48
                          04/11/12 1-16 2-22 3-34 4-37 5-48
                          04/07/12 1- 6 2-28 3-29 4-31 5-45
                          04/04/12 1-10 2-20 3-28 4-45 5-47
                          03/31/12 1- 5 2-16 3-22 4-33 5-48
                          03/28/12 1-11 2-14 3-24 4-33 5-37
                          03/24/12 1-10 2-19 3-21 4-38 5-41
                          03/21/12 1- 4 2-25 3-33 4-34 5-41
                          03/17/12 1- 7 2-16 3-18 4-55 5-58
                          03/14/12 1- 5 2- 9 3-14 4-30 5-39
                          03/10/12 1-20 2-38 3-40 4-50 5-53
                          03/07/12 1- 3 2- 4 3-24 4-45 5-46
                          03/03/12 1-28 2-36 3-37 4-40 5-51
                          02/29/12 1- 2 2-11 3-19 4-33 5-58
                          02/25/12 1-11 2-29 3-36 4-57 5-59
                          02/22/12 1-14 2-16 3-17 4-43 5-56
                          02/18/12 1- 5 2-11 3-16 4-22 5-34
                          02/15/12 1- 4 2-15 3-28 4-53 5-58
                          02/11/12 1-28 2-40 3-46 4-48 5-53
                          02/08/12 1- 8 2-17 3-28 4-31 5-39
                          02/04/12 1-17 2-19 3-31 4-39 5-43
                          02/01/12 1- 5 2-17 3-36 4-48 5-53
                          01/28/12 1-18 2-19 3-36 4-38 5-41
                          01/25/12 1- 7 2-16 3-17 4-25 5-40
                          01/21/12 1- 4 2-13 3-17 4-42 5-50
                          01/18/12 1- 8 2-17 3-40 4-41 5-56
                          01/14/12 1- 9 2-20 3-22 4-25 5-47
                          01/11/12 1- 8 2-10 3-18 4-33 5-59
                          01/07/12 1- 1 2-27 3-32 4-34 5-52
                          01/04/12 1- 7 2-24 3-36 4-37 5-53
                          12/31/11 1-15 2-28 3-29 4-42 5-49
                          12/28/11 1- 2 2-21 3-29 4-46 5-51
                          12/24/11 1- 8 2-13 3-20 4-34 5-37
                          12/21/11 1- 1 2-46 3-50 4-57 5-58
                          12/17/11 1-10 2-31 3-32 4-35 5-57
                          12/14/11 1-15 2-33 3-36 4-43 5-45
                          12/10/11 1- 8 2-18 3-21 4-48 5-55
                          12/07/11 1-11 2-13 3-30 4-32 5-37
                          12/03/11 1- 9 2-25 3-27 4-29 5-35
                          11/30/11 1- 8 2-23 3-29 4-43 5-52
                          11/26/11 1-13 2-31 3-42 4-43 5-45
                          11/23/11 1- 5 2-11 3-12 4-16 5-18
                          11/19/11 1-23 2-31 3-54 4-56 5-57
                          11/16/11 1- 4 2-12 3-47 4-52 5-53
                          11/12/11 1- 2 2-17 3-18 4-42 5-58
                          11/09/11 1-22 2-24 3-26 4-47 5-52
                          11/05/11 1- 4 2- 8 3-27 4-51 5-59
                          11/02/11 1- 9 2-24 3-31 4-57 5-58
                          10/29/11 1-11 2-31 3-52 4-54 5-57
                          10/26/11 1-24 2-32 3-39 4-52 5-55
                          10/22/11 1- 5 2-12 3-14 4-23 5-53
                          10/19/11 1-11 2-27 3-32 4-42 5-59
                          10/15/11 1- 1 2- 4 3-33 4-50 5-51
                          10/12/11 1- 8 2-12 3-13 4-21 5-58
                          10/08/11 1- 9 2-15 3-34 4-51 5-54

                          Skipping the first 15 PB numbers, here is the next 28 in order for play Sat. Sept. 22.

                          48 04 19 42 51 11 21 44 49 25 28 54 07 22 29 31 47 55 14 41 59 27 46 56 13 39 15 30

                          In numerical order

                          04 07 11 13 14 15 19 21 22 25 27 28 29 30 31 39 41 42 44 46 47 48 49 51 54 55 56 59

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                            Skipping the first 15 PB numbers, here is the next 28 in order for play Sat. Sept. 22.

                            48 04 19 42 51 11 21 44 49 25 28 54 07 22 29 31 47 55 14 41 59 27 46 56 13 39 15 30

                            In numerical order

                            04 07 11 13 14 15 19 21 22 25 27 28 29 30 31 39 41 42 44 46 47 48 49 51 54 55 56 59

                            bonus ball   8

                            I have 48 as the 10th number since it was drawn on 09/15/12.  I must list the numbers different than you do.

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                              I have 48 as the 10th number since it was drawn on 09/15/12.  I must list the numbers different than you do.

                              The only thing I see is the results board and count off each number, Sometimes I miss a number (or even add a number, dont know how I can add one thats not even there, lol) But on THIS board I started with "48" and ended with"30"......  You are correct, I used the 48 inadvertently and should have started with the "4"


                              Wednesday, September 19, 2012
                              01 · 05 · 08 · 39 · 50    23$149 Million
                              Saturday, September 15, 201203 · 20 · 26 · 43 · 48    01$125 Million
                              Wednesday, September 12, 201224 · 33 · 36 · 48 · 56    06$110 Million
                              Saturday, September 08, 201206 · 20 · 34 · 44 · 48    29$100 Million
                              Wednesday, September 05, 201204 · 19 · 26 · 42 · 51    29$90 Million
                              Saturday, September 01, 201208 · 11 · 21 · 44 · 49    22$80 Million
                              Wednesday, August 29, 201225 · 28 · 49 · 54 · 56    28$70 Million
                              Saturday, August 25, 201201 · 06 · 07 · 20 · 49    23$60 Million
                              Wednesday, August 22, 201222 · 29 · 31 · 47 · 55    19$50 Million
                              Saturday, August 18, 201214 · 26 · 41 · 55 · 59    01$40 Million
                              Wednesday, August 15, 201206 · 27 · 46 · 51 · 56    21$337 Million
                              Saturday, August 11, 201204 · 13 · 39 · 46 · 51    01$253 Million
                              Wednesday, August 08, 201203 · 07 · 11 · 15 · 28    12$212 Million
                              Saturday, August 04, 201219 · 30 · 48 · 53 · 55    18
                                 
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