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# Do some number combinations have better odds?

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Good point, this is a good example of a draw where the winners are 26 numbers deep if I count the entire 6th draw.............. but only 22 numbers deep if I count to the exact winning 5th number.

 Tuesday, August 21, 2012 05 · 13 · 20 · 23 · 33    + 30 2 \$55 Million Friday, August 17, 2012 08 · 20 · 24 · 35 · 56    + 24 3 \$45 Million Tuesday, August 14, 2012 15 · 23 · 34 · 39 · 55    + 32 4 \$36 Million Friday, August 10, 2012 10 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    + 08 4 \$29 Million Tuesday, August 07, 2012 30 · 32 · 33 · 42 · 48    + 07 4 \$21 Million Friday, August 03, 2012 02 · 10 · 13 · 38 · 46    + 02 3 \$13 Million Tuesday, July 31, 2012 05 · 18 · 21 · 29 · 41    + 37 3 \$12 Million Friday, July 27, 2012 02 · 03 · 04 · 08 · 43    + 26

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If I had in fact been working on a "22 number" premise on this particular draw I would have much BETTER odds over 28 numbers or playing a certain number of draws that could have 35 or more numbers.

On the AUG. 21, draw for example, just going back 7 draws involved 29 numbers.

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If fact RJOh, this is a example for me to "reverse engineer" a 5 of 5 win which is what Stack and I have been trying to do. It is a very good example because of starting with only 22 numbers, also I have a tendency to eliminate the highest numbers and this draw has a full 11 high side numbers that are not needed to win.

eliminating the 11 would not have broughr me down to my "9 number" objective, but it will make it possible to run a 2 if 2 of 20 and a 2 if 2 of 12 and even some 4 if 4 wheel to see which system works BETTER.

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Taking the numbers in order I see the win is 24 numbers deep NOT 22. So I remove, 46 48 55 56.

08 20 24 35 15 23 34 39 10 18 36 38 44 30 32 33 42 02 13 05

The 2 if 2 of 20 produces THESE

Input:  8, 20, 24, 35, 15, 23, 34, 39, 10, 18, 36, 38, 44, 30, 32, 33, 42, 2, 13, 5

1. 08-13-20-30-38
2. 08-23-24-35-39
3. 08-10-15-18-33
4. 02-05-08-34-36
5. 08-32-39-42-44
6. 18-20-24-32-34
7. 05-10-20-35-42
8. 02-15-20-39-44
9. 20-23-33-36-39
10. 05-13-20-32-33
11. 05-15-24-38-39
12. 10-13-24-36-44
13. 02-24-30-33-42
14. 15-30-32-35-36
15. 33-34-35-38-44
16. 02-13-18-35-39
17. 13-15-23-34-42
18. 02-10-23-32-38
19. 05-18-23-30-44
20. 10-30-32-34-39
21. 18-36-38-39-42

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If I remove the first number (2) and the last eleven (34 35 36 38 39 42 44 46 48 55 56)

The 2 if 2 of 12 produces THESE

08 20 24 15 23 10 18 30 32 33 13 05

Input:  8, 20, 24, 15, 23, 10, 18, 30, 32, 33, 13, 5

1. 08-15-20-23-24
2. 08-15-18-30-32
3. 05-08-10-13-33
4. 15-18-20-23-33
5. 10-20-23-30-33
6. 05-13-20-23-32
7. 10-18-24-32-33
8. 05-13-18-24-30
9. 05-10-13-15-30

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And last of all,

the 4 if 4 of 12 produces THIS LP provided wheel.........

Input:  8, 20, 24, 15, 23, 10, 18, 30, 32, 33, 13, 5

1. 08-10-15-20-24
2. 08-20-23-24-32
3. 08-13-20-23-24
4. 05-08-18-20-24
5. 08-20-24-30-33
6. 05-08-13-20-24
7. 08-15-20-23-33
8. 08-15-18-20-32
9. 05-08-15-20-30
10. 08-13-15-20-33
11. 05-08-10-20-23
12. 08-18-20-23-30
13. 08-10-18-20-33
14. 08-10-20-30-32
15. 08-10-13-20-30
16. 08-13-18-20-32
17. 05-08-20-32-33
18. 05-08-15-23-24
19. 08-15-18-24-30
20. 08-13-15-24-30
21. 08-15-24-32-33
22. 08-10-23-24-30
23. 08-18-23-24-33
24. 08-10-18-24-32
25. 08-10-13-18-24
26. 05-08-10-24-33
27. 05-08-24-30-32
28. 08-13-24-32-33
29. 08-10-15-18-23
30. 08-13-15-18-23
31. 08-15-23-30-32
32. 08-10-15-30-33
33. 08-10-13-15-32
34. 05-08-10-15-32
35. 05-08-10-13-15
36. 05-08-15-18-33
37. 08-10-23-32-33
38. 08-10-13-23-33
39. 05-08-18-23-32
40. 08-13-23-30-32
41. 05-08-23-30-33
42. 05-08-13-23-33
43. 05-08-10-18-30
44. 05-08-10-13-18
45. 08-18-30-32-33
46. 08-13-18-30-33
47. 05-08-13-30-32
48. 10-15-20-23-24
49. 15-18-20-24-30
50. 13-15-20-24-32
51. 05-15-20-24-33
52. 18-20-23-24-33
53. 20-23-24-30-32
54. 05-13-20-23-24
55. 10-13-18-20-24
56. 05-10-20-24-30
57. 10-20-24-32-33
58. 05-18-20-24-32
59. 13-20-24-30-33
60. 15-18-20-23-32
61. 05-15-20-23-30
62. 13-15-20-23-33
63. 10-15-18-20-33
64. 10-13-15-20-30
65. 05-10-15-20-32
66. 05-13-15-18-20
67. 15-20-30-32-33
68. 05-10-18-20-23
69. 10-20-23-30-33
70. 10-13-20-23-32
71. 13-18-20-23-30
72. 05-20-23-32-33
73. 10-18-20-30-32
74. 05-10-13-20-33
75. 05-18-20-30-33
76. 13-18-20-32-33
77. 05-13-20-30-32
78. 05-15-18-23-24
79. 13-15-23-24-30
80. 15-23-24-32-33
81. 10-15-18-24-32
82. 10-15-24-30-33
83. 05-10-13-15-24
84. 13-15-18-24-33
85. 05-15-24-30-32
86. 10-18-23-24-30
87. 05-10-23-24-32
88. 10-13-23-24-33
89. 13-18-23-24-32
90. 05-23-24-30-33
91. 05-10-18-24-33
92. 10-13-24-30-32
93. 18-24-30-32-33
94. 05-13-18-24-30
95. 05-13-24-32-33
96. 10-13-15-18-23
97. 10-15-23-30-32
98. 05-10-15-23-33
99. 15-18-23-30-33
100. 05-13-15-23-32
101. 05-10-15-18-30
102. 10-13-15-32-33
103. 13-15-18-30-32
104. 05-15-18-32-33
105. 05-13-15-30-33
106. 10-18-23-32-33
107. 05-10-13-23-30
108. 05-18-23-30-32
109. 05-13-18-23-33
110. 13-23-30-32-33
111. 10-13-18-30-33
112. 05-10-13-18-32
113. 05-10-30-32-33

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If I remove the first number (2) and the last eleven (34 35 36 38 39 42 44 46 48 55 56)

The 2 if 2 of 12 produces THESE

08 20 24 15 23 10 18 30 32 33 13 05

Input:  8, 20, 24, 15, 23, 10, 18, 30, 32, 33, 13, 5

1. 08-15-20-23-24
2. 08-15-18-30-32
3. 05-08-10-13-33
4. 15-18-20-23-33
5. 10-20-23-30-33
6. 05-13-20-23-32
7. 10-18-24-32-33
8. 05-13-18-24-30
9. 05-10-13-15-30

When I checked my notes for MM082112-747/51 this was the perfect drawing for my system too but I decided to expand my parameters and only matched 2 twice and matched 1 ten times in 20 lines.  I was kicking myself for not keeping my parameters to their basic.

Even when you consider the previous drawing 08 20 24 25 56 and the numbers that had followed them in previous drawings in the *same position, these numbers followed them exactly.

Tonight I will be using those basic parameters and conditions regardless, it could be another repeat.

*this kept the number choice for those positions between 13 and 23

I'll probably use seed number 911 in my RNG too.

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If I remove the first number (2) and the last eleven (34 35 36 38 39 42 44 46 48 55 56)

The 2 if 2 of 12 produces THESE

08 20 24 15 23 10 18 30 32 33 13 05

Input:  8, 20, 24, 15, 23, 10, 18, 30, 32, 33, 13, 5

1. 08-15-20-23-24
2. 08-15-18-30-32
3. 05-08-10-13-33
4. 15-18-20-23-33
5. 10-20-23-30-33
6. 05-13-20-23-32
7. 10-18-24-32-33
8. 05-13-18-24-30
9. 05-10-13-15-30

If nothing else this proves to me that Stack is right about the possibilities of using the 2 if 2 wheel, as this amazing 9 combination wheel missed 5 of 5 by a single digit!!

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If nothing else this proves to me that Stack is right about the possibilities of using the 2 if 2 wheel, as this amazing 9 combination wheel missed 5 of 5 by a single digit!!

If you have the 5 winning numbers in your pool, any wheel would probably do well even a 5 if 5 of 5.  You don't want a wheel so large that the winning numbers get so diluted that it's unlikely all of them would be in the same line.

You said you and Stack had tried backward engineering a winner, it has its problems too.  I done that but find it hard to stick with the most popular formula when it's close but doesn't works so many times, that how I missed an opportunity on 8/21.  I was almost tempted to run a simulation to see how many combinations that could have been within those basic parameters and conditions and not won anything, if there weren't any I would have felt worst.

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First of all there is NO such thing as a 5 if 5 of 5......... That's called being Thrifty and spending \$1.

Second, should I "feel" bad because I hit 5+1 on line 1115 of a 4 if 4 of 28 wheel that I didn't play??

Granted a pool of 12 is extremely unlikely to hold the winning 5, but at \$9 a draw the 2 if 2 is a great bet.

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First of all there is NO such thing as a 5 if 5 of 5......... That's called being Thrifty and spending \$1.

Second, should I "feel" bad because I hit 5+1 on line 1115 of a 4 if 4 of 28 wheel that I didn't play??

Granted a pool of 12 is extremely unlikely to hold the winning 5, but at \$9 a draw the 2 if 2 is a great bet.

Tell that to those guys in West Virginia that mathed 5+0 six times in PowerBall 'cause they didn't pick the right PB number.

Good luck on your picks tonight.

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Tell that to those guys in West Virginia that mathed 5+0 six times in PowerBall 'cause they didn't pick the right PB number.

Good luck on your picks tonight.

I promise not to complain or feel bad if I win 5+0 PB 6 times.

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If nothing else this proves to me that Stack is right about the possibilities of using the 2 if 2 wheel, as this amazing 9 combination wheel missed 5 of 5 by a single digit!!

I certainly applaud your efforts and discoveries with reverse engineering and how close you can get with just a 2if2wheel.  I do it myself and will continue to do it because I believe it can be done.  With that being said, hitting 4 numbers is not hitting 5.  Not even close.  Case and point.  Look at the odds on a MM draw:  4of5 odds are 1 in 15,313 and 5of5 odds are 1 in 3,904,701.   3.9 million!!

As far as reverse engineering goes ... I must have spent 3 to 4 hours on excel reverse engineering myself into thinking I found some flaw in a particular wheelling system.  I went to sleep that night thinking I was actually going to win.  The next day I decided to reverse engineer my reverse engineering and quickly realized I discovered absolutely nothing.  As it turned out I simply plugged my numbers into a winning combination.  I'm not saying that's the case with you, but from my experience you may end up just spinning your wheels.

I'd be willing to bet that in addition to mathematicians on the payroll these state and national lotteries also have psychologists going through every possible scenario.  Unfortunately, I believe they're one step ahead of us.  That doesn't mean I'm giving up though.  I'm just getting started.

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Thanks for posting here sleven, and welcome to LP. The object from the beginning of this thread has not been to find a better system, but rather to produce BETTER odds by picking better numbers.

By playing 28 numbers the odds are reduced from 1 in 3.9 million to 1 in 39. Anyone who hits 5 of 5 in less than 39 draws has evidence that BETTER than stated lottery odds can be achieved. We have been playing for around 26 draws so far and several people have hit 5 of 5 twice and I have personally hit 5 time one of which was a 5+1

Ronnie316 – 5+0 june 15, 2012---- 5+0 July 17, 2012 ---5+1 Aug. 10, 2012   5+0 Aug. 21, 2012   5+0 Sept. 7, 2012

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the "11" was 18 draws back, so no chance of getting that one

 Tuesday, September 11, 2012 05 · 11 · 20 · 33 · 36    + 11 3 \$120 Million Friday, September 07, 2012 15 · 32 · 38 · 42 · 46    + 31 4 \$105 Million Tuesday, September 04, 2012 16 · 32 · 39 · 41 · 53    + 16 3 \$93 Million Friday, August 31, 2012 31 · 40 · 41 · 47 · 48    + 45 3 \$83 Million Tuesday, August 28, 2012 04 · 09 · 40 · 45 · 50    + 39 4 \$73 Million Friday, August 24, 2012 25 · 34 · 45 · 46 · 49    + 34 2 \$65 Million Tuesday, August 21, 2012 05 · 13 · 20 · 23 · 33    + 30 2 \$55 Million Friday, August 17, 2012 08 · 20 · 24 · 35 · 56    + 24 3 \$45 Million Tuesday, August 14, 2012 15 · 23 · 34 · 39 · 55    + 32 4 \$36 Million Friday, August 10, 2012 10 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    + 08

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