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Who plays more, who loses more?

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Posted: July 31, 2015, 1:37 am - IP Logged

Whose ?

 

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    Posted: July 31, 2015, 1:45 am - IP Logged

    I'll say QPs for both ? since it's fast and that's what most pools choose, but I've seen players fill out more lines on slips for MM then PB probably because of the cost.

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      Posted: July 31, 2015, 5:51 am - IP Logged

      When I play birthday numbers I included the year.  Since I'm fairly old that only gets me up to 42 but younger people could go all the way to 97.

      So you were born in 42?

      You are pretty old RJOH!!

      Now tell me 42 b.c or a.c?

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        Gee savagegoose , do l understand you correctly that you gave this thread " One Star rating " because your return on your investment is pretty bad and that your own numbers really suck?. How is that Coin's fault?

        ooops

         

        i thought i clicked 4* i never usually rate any posts. so sorry  coin toss. but 1 is more than i usually give! how can i edit it?

        but your conclusion is based on a false premise based on no data i think its called post hoc. " or this  comes after  this "   so it  must be the cause.

        but my   bumbling clicking was the cause. i except  my numbers my fault.

        ALTHOUGH !

         my flat mate has  agreed to tell me his bets and winnings for the next    several months maybe a year, and he always plays quick picks, so i will have comparable data.  unless either of us hits a big one, that will be   cut off, as too exceptional so   likely to skew the data

        2014 = -1016; 2015= -1409; 2016 JAN = -106; FEB= -81; MAR= -131; APR= - 87: MAY= -91; JUN= -39; JUL=-134; AUG= -124; SEP = -123; OCT= -84  NOV=- 73 TOT= -3498

        keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= JAN=-32, FEB= +12 , MAR= -86, APR = -77. MAY= -48, JUN= -29, JUL=-71; AUG = -52; SEPT= -43; OCT = +56 NOV = -33 TOT= -3297

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          Posted: July 31, 2015, 3:18 pm - IP Logged

          If your returns are anything like your predictions stats, then you're doing even worst. Wink

          ok challenge accepted. ill make some predictions using my 10 free per draw on mega and powerball,. for 7 draws using my  ea number only once  method

          2014 = -1016; 2015= -1409; 2016 JAN = -106; FEB= -81; MAR= -131; APR= - 87: MAY= -91; JUN= -39; JUL=-134; AUG= -124; SEP = -123; OCT= -84  NOV=- 73 TOT= -3498

          keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= JAN=-32, FEB= +12 , MAR= -86, APR = -77. MAY= -48, JUN= -29, JUL=-71; AUG = -52; SEPT= -43; OCT = +56 NOV = -33 TOT= -3297

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            ok challenge accepted. ill make some predictions using my 10 free per draw on mega and powerball,. for 7 draws using my  ea number only once  method

            If hard to win 20% of the cost on either PB or MM without winning a decent prize and that's seldom done by premium members with 50 picks but good luck. Wink

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: July 31, 2015, 3:52 pm - IP Logged

              Gotta beeeeeee.....the QP

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                Posted: July 31, 2015, 3:53 pm - IP Logged

                How quick pick does a self pick, pick, if a self pick could quick picks?

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                  Posted: July 31, 2015, 5:10 pm - IP Logged

                  How quick pick does a self pick, pick, if a self pick could quick picks?

                  In Ohio and I suppose in other states too you can replay and old ticket so an old ticket that was a QP is a Self Pick the second time around but a Self Pick is always a Self Pick no matter how quickly it goes around.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    Posted: July 31, 2015, 5:33 pm - IP Logged

                    savagegoose,

                    No problem, I know the star wasn't for spite.

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      Posted: August 1, 2015, 6:47 pm - IP Logged

                      Stack47,

                      As noise-gate pointed out, some here seem to be in denial about how many QPs are played.

                      Some people think that everyone else plays like they do.

                      But for the purpose of this thread, let's say I'm a $2 MM player, always play one line and the Megaplier.

                      Let's also say that you or someone else who put hours into theories, tracking past results, etc.  picks your own numbers and plays $10 a draw, a lot more if the JP is pumped up.

                      Neither one of us wins a thing.

                      Now, who lost more?

                      And for any given drawing, who loses more, people playing one line, often QPs, or people paying multiple lines of self picks?

                      In other words, who loses more relative to the buy in?

                      "In other words, who loses more relative to the buy in?"

                      In Friday's drawing, 15,604,534 million MM tickets were sold and assuming about 70% to 80% of those tickets were QPs, between 11 million and 12.5 million were QPs. There were 1,061,051 winning tickets sold (6.8% of the sales) and again assuming 70% to 80% of the winners were QPs 200K to 300K were self picks.

                      Without any exact sales figures of actual number of QPs and the exact number of QPs winners, it's impossible to determine "relative to buy in". But it's obvious for that drawing whichever the jackpot winner was (qp or self pick), won more than the other. If your 70% to 80% statistics are correct, QPs will always be that percentage of sales and winning tickets.

                      Do the math, if 10 players each bought 1 QP and if 1 player bought 5 self picks and none of the tickets won anything, who lost more?

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                        Posted: August 1, 2015, 6:58 pm - IP Logged

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                          Posted: August 1, 2015, 7:02 pm - IP Logged

                          Stack47,

                          Assuming we're talking $1 per ticket, the QP players each lost $1, the self pick player lost $5.

                          For 'relative to the buy in', let's say there were two winners who won $500 each. One of them had played $1 and the other had played $50, now who won more, RELATIVE TO THE BUY IN.

                          For the gist of this thread (silly me, or so I thought) someone would mention that someone stops for gas, chips, etc...and the clerk says, "Want to play tonight's lotto?", so they spend a buck on a QP, as opposed to someone with a system who has multiple playslips already filled out.

                          I'm not sure any state lotto operator or the NUSL would release the stats, so ..................

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            Posted: August 1, 2015, 8:23 pm - IP Logged

                            Stack47,

                            Assuming we're talking $1 per ticket, the QP players each lost $1, the self pick player lost $5.

                            For 'relative to the buy in', let's say there were two winners who won $500 each. One of them had played $1 and the other had played $50, now who won more, RELATIVE TO THE BUY IN.

                            For the gist of this thread (silly me, or so I thought) someone would mention that someone stops for gas, chips, etc...and the clerk says, "Want to play tonight's lotto?", so they spend a buck on a QP, as opposed to someone with a system who has multiple playslips already filled out.

                            I'm not sure any state lotto operator or the NUSL would release the stats, so ..................

                            Making up numbers doesn't change the fact QPs lose more than SPs.

                            People who play SPs buy QPs too. So you can't separate the whole bunch and say Qp'ers vs Sp'ers.

                            What you can do is say if 70% are Qps and 30% are Sps, then more than twice as much is lost on Qps as Sps.

                            Having seen people spend $20 to $50 on Qps, any thoughts that Qp'ers only spend $1 is laughable. If anything the Sp'ers are more money conscience.

                            That doesn't exclude the possibility that some might play just $1 on Qps or on SPs. I've seen people who tell the clerk to give them lottery tickets instead of their change. Most times that's a buck or two. I've done it too. But....

                            The facts, substantiated by the 70/30 statement, is

                            that if $10,000,000 in tickets are sold, then

                            $7,000,000 were bought by QP'ers,

                            and $3,000,000 were SP'ers.

                            With one winner, holding a QP,

                            $6,999,999 million was lost on QPS,

                            while only $3,000,000 was lost on SPs.

                            70/30 says this is a fact. No question.

                            And its irrelevant that a QP won because none of the losing QP'ers are going to get one dime of the jackpot.

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                              Posted: August 2, 2015, 12:45 am - IP Logged

                              Most here probably don't remember Casey Stengel, managed the Yankees. One of the things he was famous for saying was, "Go with the percentages."

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.