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• joker17

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  Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Dec 25, 2010

  joker17,

  I get it, I'm not sure you do. The systrem sellers are telling you to use their techniques and the money is going to those who played a quick pick. It doesn't matter why they played a quick pick. You kow I've tracked this game jackpot by jackpot for three years joker, and the results are very consistent.

  For Steve Player or any other system seller or advocate:

  Q. You are saying to play your system, up to 35 lines of numbers a draw, and the jackpots are being paid to people whoi put $1 on a quick pick, those are the stats, actual results. Of 149 jackpots paid in 358 draws 130 went to quick picks, and yet you advocate not playing quick picks. Now tell us again why I should play your system or any system instead of a QP.

  Dude, what did they spike your water with when you worked in those Casinos?...lol

  You say the money is going to the people who play the QP.....OK....well......If I win with a system....well....it'll be divided among me and the QP players....so what?

  Now here's where your convoluted logic comes in. It totally baffles my mind. You say I advocate NOT playing a QP because 70% of the winners are from QP winners......OMG.....Can't you see the idiocy in that kind of logic? You make it sound as If I have a better chance of winning because I played a QP......ahha ha ha aha hha ha.....WHY?.....because 70% of winners are QP buyers......WHAT?

  A QP player has no better chance of winning because it's a QP, it's an illusion buddy. Let me repeat myself for the 17th time. THE REASON 70% OF THE WINNERS ARE FROM QPs IS BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE BUY QPS..........One of them is NATURALLY going to win 70% of the time, because he represents the majority which happens to be the "QP BUYERS", not because he/she had a better chance, or the lottery terminal favors QPs over self picks........ahh ah ha ha....this is comical at best..

  That's like saying that If a frog decided to hang out with Humans the rest of his life,, he has a better chance of turning into a human.....lol

   
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  My quick piggies are takin' a break tonight!!!!!!!!!

  

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  joker17,

  Let's see where the convoluted logic really is. Prior to tonight (results not in yet) for the game in question these are the Year To Date results:

  To date:

  149 Jackpots

  65 PP 

  130 QP 

  Solo jackpots: 113

  Shared jackpots: 36

  Since that includes shared jackpots, 195 players have won a jackpot or part of a jackpot. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. [/story]

  GET IT?

  Yet the system peddlers say don't play quick picks.

  Should you spring for the $747.50 please do let us know at what point you break even.

  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners. 

  

  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
• joker17

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  Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Dec 26, 2010

  joker17,

  Let's see where the convoluted logic really is. Prior to tonight (results not in yet) for the game in question these are the Year To Date results:

  To date:

  149 Jackpots

  65 PP 

  130 QP 

  Solo jackpots: 113

  Shared jackpots: 36

  Since that includes shared jackpots, 195 players have won a jackpot or part of a jackpot. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. Of that 195, 130 played quick picks. [/story]

  GET IT?

  Yet the system peddlers say don't play quick picks.

  Should you spring for the $747.50 please do let us know at what point you break even.

  It's so convenient to avoid addressing the issue of "Most JPs are QPs because most people buy QPs".

  Your two step doesn't work with me.

  The QP players win more often because there's MORE OF THEM !.............DUH !.......It's simple math.

    And the reason for the low number of shared JPs is because the system/self pick players are the MINORITY.......Get it now?

  Simple math dude....

  Sorry, but I can't possibly put it any simpler than I already have......

   

   

   
• joker17

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  If Richard has 10 fishing poles, and Jane has 1 fishing pole, who would catch more fish?

  
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  joker17,

  And the reason for the low number of shared JPs is because the system/self pick players are the MINORITY.

  Exactly joker. So if he systems are not overhpyed  where are the spectracular results they are supposed to produce? They, and their systems play, are in the minority when it comes to won jackpots.

  As for the fishing pole question, you shot yourself in the foot with that one. MEDIC! WE HAVE A SELF-INFLICTED FOOT WOUND OVER HERE! Whoever goes to where the fish are biting will catch more fish.  Richard's 10 poles aren't going to do him any good if there are no fish there. Just another thing system sellers don't want you to know.

  

  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners. 

  

  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
• paurths

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Dec 26, 2010

  joker17,

  And the reason for the low number of shared JPs is because the system/self pick players are the MINORITY.

  Exactly joker. So if he systems are not overhpyed  where are the spectracular results they are supposed to produce? They, and their systems play, are in the minority when it comes to won jackpots.

  As for the fishing pole question, you shot yourself in the foot with that one. MEDIC! WE HAVE A SELF-INFLICTED FOOT WOUND OVER HERE! Whoever goes to where the fish are biting will catch more fish.  Richard's 10 poles aren't going to do him any good if there are no fish there. Just another thing system sellers don't want you to know.

  

  So according to you Quick Picks are a system.

  Your comment "Richard's 10 poles aren't going to do him any good if there are no fish there." is lacking every logic, any logic (and especially since you throw in the part "IF there are no fish there"), since this is the lottery, and the "pool of fish" is exactly the same, it is identical for both the person who buys 10 quick picks and the person who plays 1 betting slip with own chosen numbers.

  It is really quite simple.
  Person A, blindfolded, throws 10 darts at a dartboard.
  Person B, blindfolded, throws 1 dart at a darboard.

  Who do you think, logically, will hit more points?

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  Who in their right mind would pay over $700 bucks to anyone for a system, it sounds like Mr. Player is the only one winning the lottery. Give Me a break are people really yhat stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  Remember always "Bet on orange!"

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  Quote: Originally posted by blackjack26241 on Dec 26, 2010

  Who in their right mind would pay over $700 bucks to anyone for a system, it sounds like Mr. Player is the only one winning the lottery. Give Me a break are people really yhat stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Yes some are stupid here and will probably pay 700.00 for a dumb book..Good luck is all you need...LUCK...

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  paurths,

  Please show me where I said quick picks are a system. I said they win jackpots more often, which they do.

  For your dartboard example, I will add this, the person with one dart is probably much more aware that they are blindfolded, I'm not sure the person with 10 darts is even aware of it if thye've been "touted" (told how to play by someone else).  That's because some hustler has told them they are sure to hit something throwing the darts the way that person tells them to.

  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners. 

  

  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
• savagegoose

  

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  for a bit of fun ill pick the books cost worth of numbers for the next draw, $700 so 700 lines in a pick 5/39

   

  il go a full 4 if 5 out of 39 see how many lines i get and post the results on a blog page

  using cover master of course

  " Still swinging, still missing "
  2014 = -1016; 2015= -1409; 2016  = -1171; 2017 = -1257 ; 2018 = - 1380 =  TOT =  - 6233

  keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= -424; 2017 =-427; 2018= -223   TOT = -3968

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• paurths

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Dec 26, 2010

  paurths,

  Please show me where I said quick picks are a system. I said they win jackpots more often, which they do.

  For your dartboard example, I will add this, the person with one dart is probably much more aware that they are blindfolded, I'm not sure the person with 10 darts is even aware of it if thye've been "touted" (told how to play by someone else).  That's because some hustler has told them they are sure to hit something throwing the darts the way that person tells them to.

  System: nowhere you are actually writing "system".
  However, with writing "whoever goes to where the fish are biting will catch more fish."
  So the one with the most percentage hits will be the "one" with the "system", in this case the quick picks.

  Anyway, with the dartboard example: you are trying to pull the same stunt again. You use the words, i put them in bold : "the person with one dart is probably much more aware that they are blindfolded, I'm not sure the person with 10 darts is even aware of it if thye've been "touted" (told how to play by someone else)"

  You don't have to be sure of anything.
  The upcoming year player A buys 10 quickpicks each day, player B picks his own numbers, but 1 ticket a day only.
  We don't need "probably" and "i'm not sure" to know the result in advance, now do we?
  Player A will have a higher hit-percentage.

  If you doubt this mathematical certainty, well, then everything is said,...

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  Consider that the thread is about Steve Player's $747.50 system for the IL Little Lotto. Do you really think someone who shells out that kind of money for a system is looking for a higher hit percentage? No, they are looking to hit a jackpot.

  As for the dartboard, let's say it's a dollar a dart. The person throwing one dart has payed one dollar for the dart to throw. The person throwing 10 darts (who has bought the system) has paid the system seller $747 and pays $10 per dart.

  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners. 

  

  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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  Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Dec 25, 2010

  This is from the flyer itself (snail mail, not e-mail):

  Dear Illinois LITTLE LOTTO players:

  Seasons Greeetings to all my IL LITTLE LOTTO playing friends. I have a very special announcement to make that may truly change your life in the coming months. First, let me tell you that you are already a big winner. This announcement is only being made to a very small group of IL LITTLE LOTTO players whom I have personally selected. More inmportantly, only the first 20 IL LILLTLE LOTTO players that respond to this announcement will be allowed to take advcantage of it. As you are about to find out, that puts you into a very elite wining group of players who are receiving this inviation.

  I'm pretty sure he's sending that to every state with a 5/39, just filling in the different state and game names. At $747.50 he's going to limit sales to 20 people. Yeah, right. He goes on:

  Now let me tell you about the system itself. As I have already saidthis is an amzing proven approach to winning the IL LITTLE LOTTO game, and it represents the single most important breakthrough in the history of the game. I have reduced the field of numbers in the game to a set of READY-TO-PLAY Pick-5 combinations that win the First Prize Jackpot an astounding 63% of the time.

  Then he goes on to say what garyo1954 posted above. He may say that he has the numbrs that win the first prize jackpot 63% of the time, but haing tracked this game for three years those jackpots usually go to a quick pick. Granted this latest hype job of his supposedley isn't out yet, but I doubt the stats of what wins the jackpots will change.

  Sell the sizzle, not the steak...especially when there is no steak.

  I wonder what he'd do if someone ordered 21 copies.

  

   

   

  Coin's statistics, 149 jackpots paid out of 358 drawings doesn't reflect on, how many of the 358 drawings had a jackpot winner because the "149" includes multiple winners on the same numbers. I'm guessing about 90 of the 358 drawings had jackpot winners. Player may have analyzed all the jackpot winning numbers from those 90 drawings in Ill Little Lotto, grouped those numbers together and is really saying "had you played these groups, you would have hit 63% of the jackpots". Or Player's groups of numbers could be from all the drawings results whether there was a jackpot winner on that drawing or not.

  At $747.50, this system isn't aimed at $5 QP players and it would be interesting to see the actual cost of play to "win" 63% of the jackpots.