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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Mar 30, 2011
You must really believe everyone is stupid.
Rambling on about how your program, with correct settings attained through hindsight, COULD have helped you, is of no value to me, or anyone else. You have programmed a fancy RNG which you know will fail any scientifically designed backtest, so you just keep offering up smoke screens. And it's despicable the way you keep trying to derail the discussion by bringing up religion and God with VISIONDUDE.
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What was posted was what you wanted, from this you should be able to predict the conditional odds
for success using random selections. If I can predict the last few digits with a better then expected
average then you could even add this to your test. I know I am on to something when I can get the
bible thumper and the atheist togeather defending each other. If this can be done then I think the
digit system could hit a few 3 of 5' and a couple 4 or 5's within a year with ease. I happen to like
visiondude, I just wanted him to see a few things from my point of view and I think when he looks
a little deeper he will know what I was doing and I hope we can be friends. I don't expect you to
understand what was going on but I know he does. Sometimes our passions can overide what we
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Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Mar 30, 2011
All you have to offer as proof is the word of someone else who could have written it many years after the
fact. I am not trying to avoid showing proof I just don't feel the need. If I posted my results how would I
ever have any time to explain the system to the thousands of people who would want the goods from the
horses mouth so to speak. I have sent out about 40 copies of my oold dos software and ended up with
hundreds and hundreds of emails asking how do I do this and how do I do that. I liked doing this but it
took all my free time. Those who are really interseted can read the post and test it for themselves.
They can use the basics and play a few sets using pen and paper. To do what you are asking would cost
me thousands of hours of my time. I guess I could do this and then just leave but what good would that
do. Feed a person and he will be hungry again, Teach a person to fish and he can feed himself. The proof
you seek is written on the many pages of these many post. I continue to post from time to time so that I
can explain a few questions in a plublic forum that prevents me from having to reply to many many request.
So many like yourself ask question when the answers are right in front of them. Each person is unique
and some are left-brain and some are right. some people are very good at math and some are not, Some
can see patterns and some cannot, some can see the advantage of playing digits and some cannot. Your
reply is exactly what I expected. You need to consider what I have written and take a day or two to think
it over. Proof I will never ever post it and you would do well to consider this. I would also like to say that
I do believe in GOD without question and used the previous post only as a means to reveal the many flaws
that are common to man.
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nope. but since you insinuated......i also have archaeology, science, the eyewitness testimony of people who were opposed to Christ (obviously non biased there), mathematics, odds, affirmation based on previous information unobtainable my human manipulation, etc. so see, i am more than able.
anytime i need to go down that road, you pay for the speeding ticket :)
now back to your "excuses"...
" I am not trying to avoid showing proof I just don't feel the need"
that's what they all say (when pressed to showcase thier claims).
" If I posted my results how would I ever have any time to explain the system to the thousands of people who would want the goods from the horses mouth so to speak
tis simple.....you don't have to. the word "no" is one the most effective words in the english language, but really, this but a lame excuse so you can sell it that "you can't". all you have to do is post, there is no law you have to explain.
"To do what you are asking would cost me thousands of hours of my time".
i am trying to figure out if this is a straight up lie for an excuse, or it really takes you THOUSANDS OF HOURSto come up with your picks for each drawing. man, i was demonstrating how lottery pursuit beyond a reasonable / minimal effort is a waste of time and money, but that much effort for "maybe" a profit? yikes. facetiousville recognizes that's a lame excuse. the answer is no it wouldn't. pick the game and place your numbers pre draw. if it takes you "thousands of hours" to do that......you need a new hobby. when that's profitable in the equity market of life
"Proof I will never ever post it and you would do well to consider this".
i already knew that before i asked you. the reason i did was to use you as but another example that it cannot be done, despite the myriad of people that insist it can.
seperating the claimaints from the i cans. it's what i do
you see, what i do is seperate reality from wishful thinking, so that i can provide that person who straddles the fence from reality into desperation-land, so they don't have to reside in it.
getting them to thunking, sose they don't waste their time and money chasing an impossibility, while providing them a showcase of "what if"........meaning if it really were true, THEN they could pursue.
the fence sitters love my dance, and wait for guys like you to finally "prove it".
it's a service i provide
can you imagine thier disappoinment when one by one no one ever does?
vision likes stories that end well, where proof leads to a good result.
i also like the demonstration of reality, because wishful thinking leads to nothing but disappointmentland.
you will never catch me being the accesory to that crime of humanity.
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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Mar 30, 2011
nope. but since you insinuated......i also have archaeology, science, the eyewitness testimony of people who were opposed to Christ (obviously non biased there), mathematics, odds, affirmation based on previous information unobtainable my human manipulation, etc. so see, i am more than able.
anytime i need to go down that road, you pay for the speeding ticket :)
now back to your "excuses"...
" I am not trying to avoid showing proof I just don't feel the need"
that's what they all say (when pressed to showcase thier claims).
" If I posted my results how would I ever have any time to explain the system to the thousands of people who would want the goods from the horses mouth so to speak
tis simple.....you don't have to. the word "no" is one the most effective words in the english language, but really, this but a lame excuse so you can sell it that "you can't". all you have to do is post, there is no law you have to explain.
"To do what you are asking would cost me thousands of hours of my time".
i am trying to figure out if this is a straight up lie for an excuse, or it really takes you THOUSANDS OF HOURSto come up with your picks for each drawing. man, i was demonstrating how lottery pursuit beyond a reasonable / minimal effort is a waste of time and money, but that much effort for "maybe" a profit? yikes. facetiousville recognizes that's a lame excuse. the answer is no it wouldn't. pick the game and place your numbers pre draw. if it takes you "thousands of hours" to do that......you need a new hobby. when that's profitable in the equity market of life
"Proof I will never ever post it and you would do well to consider this".
i already knew that before i asked you. the reason i did was to use you as but another example that it cannot be done, despite the myriad of people that insist it can.
seperating the claimaints from the i cans. it's what i do
you see, what i do is seperate reality from wishful thinking, so that i can provide that person who straddles the fence from reality into desperation-land, so they don't have to reside in it.
getting them to thunking, sose they don't waste their time and money chasing an impossibility, while providing them a showcase of "what if"........meaning if it really were true, THEN they could pursue.
the fence sitters love my dance, and wait for guys like you to finally "prove it".
it's a service i provide
can you imagine thier disappoinment when one by one no one ever does?
vision likes stories that end well, where proof leads to a good result.
i also like the demonstration of reality, because wishful thinking leads to nothing but disappointmentland.
you will never catch me being the accesory to that crime of humanity.
the board looks for more convodiluted excuses.
Vision
Why can't you accept the word NO. I will not do what you ask. It would do nothing but open the door to even
more issues that would require even more of my time. I have posted enough information that anyone could
use to test it for themselves. You keep using the wording that I am somehow minipulating the draw in some
fashion and I don't know where you got that. The time issue is what would be envolved to answer everyones
questions on how do I do this. I can't predict what will happen in the next draw, When I see data which by the
way is not static, I jump in and play. Even this does not mean I am correct or I would be a multi-million aire by
now which I am not. I take back what I said in my last post as I no longer have that opinion of you and think
you are just another windbag like jimmy. You tell me just say NO but that must exclude you and if it excludes
you then who else might not accept it. I am saying it now NO, NO, NO. Now you can slither back where you came
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visiondudnope. but since you insinuated......i also have archaeology, science, the eyewitness testimony of people who were opposed to Christ (obviously non biased there), mathematics, odds, affirmation based on previous information unobtainable my human manipulation, etc. so see, i am more than able.
A simple picture of God would go a long way. When you show yours I will show mine. You see the problem
with people like you is that you have no proof. I can and have shown my winning tickets to many and that
would be more than any thing you could show me to prove that there is a GOD. Go ahead and babble, babble
babble all you want about being some kind of know it all, when you are nothing more than a control freak. You
and jimmy both would not accept scans of tickets as proof but you yourself cannot muster up anything that
comes close. Jimmy said "who here could not come up with tons of them" Well jimmy I would be happy to
see just two scans of winning 4 of 5 winning tickets for anytime in the next couple days. I want the same proof
that you ask of me. I don't want to hear pointless bits of information but I want to see GOD. Like I said I will
show you mine when I see yours. What a hypocrite you are in every since of the word. You set yourself up as a
judge but you are no judge, you set yourself up as a defender of truth and you don't know the truth. What a
scam you have going. I don't want no second hand proof I want just what you expect from me. You want the
numbers in advance of the draw which would amount to me wanting to see GOD. Just what I thought, you can't
produce GOD so who is being untruthful now. V_I_S_I_O_N_D_U_D_E. No wonder so many have fallen away
from the faith when they have leaders like you. Remember produce GOD himself and I will provide a list of predraw
numbers. Fair is fair. Just what I thought as we all already know that you can't. The world is full of people like
you that claim something but can't produce the proof when asked. Just a bunch of second hand gossip that would
not hold up in court. Maybe right after you show me you can get him to make a appearence before the local school
board and get creation back in the school system. Seems like such a small thing when you think about it.
Where were you durning the big Scopes monkey trial in 1925 maybe with all your evidence you could get that
decision overturned. If you have the proof as you say then I think that you should go for it. But wait, you don't
just like I already knew. You see two can play this game, I want all the people who are riding the fence to see
just what you offer. Now I am no longer accepting pics I want to see the real thing as I think it's only fair.
Don't bother me with your second hand data, I want the real thing or nothing at all from you.
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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Mar 30, 2011
You must really believe everyone is stupid.
Rambling on about how your program, with correct settings attained through hindsight, COULD have helped you, is of no value to me, or anyone else. You have programmed a fancy RNG which you know will fail any scientifically designed backtest, so you just keep offering up smoke screens. And it's despicable the way you keep trying to derail the discussion by bringing up religion and God with VISIONDUDE.
Jimboo-boo!!!!
Too bad you can't program a fancy scientific backtest. Hardest part might be programming, in your case. But IF you were a programmer, you could have built 90% of the necessary tools to see a bit RL's system just by what he has posted thus far. Of course, that takes work, initiative, and drive. The only stick-to-tiveness you employ is the letter 'D.' Denigrate, disparage, and deride.
There were some worthwhile posts with nice points this morning. RJOH, ameriken, and Guru101 posted some good stuff. No thoughts on those?
Then your post says, "Give me your program and I'll 'prove' it with my couch potato Magic Ju-Ju and clown shoes."
RL, hit it on the head last night. You can't look at anything with an open mind, you are only out to prove what you want to see.
Jimboo, a continued litany of destruction is stressful. Have you checked the mirror and seen the wrinkles forming in your forehead? The red, bloodshot, puffy eyes? Do you carry a worry stone? Have you been checked for OCD? Maybe you need to upgrade those meds.
The 10% of RL's system you're seeing, and using to make your judments on, are such a small part. It's like looking at ink blot tests claiming all the 3s are 8s.
I've pointed out the failure of any backtest, stressing that you can't go back to a prior point in time and know what you would be thinking at that particular moment. You refuse to accept that. I was kind enough to ask what you were calling QPs and how you backtest them. NO answer.
RL has said his system is concentrated on future draws. You cant accept that. So here's a BIGGIE question.
Pull your BIG BOY PANTS up for this:
HOW DO YOU INTEND TO BACKTEST A SYSTEM THAT IS DESIGNED TO SEE EACH INDIVIDUAL DRAW AS A SEPARATE AND FUTURE EVENT?
That is going to take some serious mathitude!
YOUR BACKTEST WOULD WORTHLESS AS WELL. RL has stated (many times) he does not play 312 times a year. He plays when that certain trackable criteria gives an advantage.
How can you miss these key points? This is like Reading 101 for Triple A (Athletes with Art Apprecitation degrees).
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One day we may very likely see something like this.....
Someone hits a huge jackpot and when asked how they came up with the numbers they go off on a tangent about O/E, H/L, balance, overdues, hot cold, etc...
Then their spouse starts cracking up and when asked what is so funny they say, "We walked by one of those "Get your weight and lucky numbers" scales and those are the numbers the scale gave."
Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.
There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Mar 30, 2011
One day we may very likely see something like this.....
Someone hits a huge jackpot and when asked how they came up with the numbers they go off on a tangent about O/E, H/L, balance, overdues, hot cold, etc...
Then their spouse starts cracking up and when asked what is so funny they say, "We walked by one of those "Get your weight and lucky numbers" scales and those are the numbers the scale gave."
CT
That would be a good one to do just for a good laugh.
I just printed a screen capture of it and tomorrow it will be on the bulletin board in the break room of the math department of a university near me.
Good and bad "quality" QuickPicks. Priceless!
Rdgrnr poked some fun at this thread over in the Lottery Discussion Forum a while ago when he said, "It's not important if you win. It's only important to have a good set of numbers. And just because your numbers lose doesn't mean they're bad numbers. It's better to lose with a good set of numbers than win with a bad set. Makes perfect sense to me."
I just printed a screen capture of it and tomorrow it will be on the bulletin board in the break room of the math department of a university near me.
Good and bad "quality" QuickPicks. Priceless!
Rdgrnr poked some fun at this thread over in the Lottery Discussion Forum a while ago when he said, "It's not important if you win. It's only important to have a good set of numbers. And just because your numbers lose doesn't mean they're bad numbers. It's better to lose with a good set of numbers than win with a bad set. Makes perfect sense to me."
--Jimmy4164
Hilarious indeed!
Rdgrnr should get a "Yogi Berra Award" for that one.
Even more hilarious, there are people that feel the way rdgrnr described!
Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.
There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Quote: Originally posted by ameriken on Mar 30, 2011
This started out as a pretty good thread until the ego's became invested.
Why does anyone have to show any proof for something in an internet forum? Better yet, why does anyone have to prove anything to YOU or anyone else? Is there something to gain or some particular benefit by having visionsdude or jimmy4164 or some other random unknown and meaningless member of a forum believe what someone says on an internet forum?
Instead of this thread being a serious lottery discussion, it's more of a battle of egos and 'prove it'. Seems to me that those who are demanding 'proof' are more interested in winning a game of 'gotcha' rather than winning a lottery.
it's pretty simple, the explanation of the deterioration thereof...
i start off offering a systematic counter (known as an "opposing opinion" in debating circles) to the many assertions made by system players that "they' can manipulate the outcome, which is what this thread is about, the breakdown of what distiguishes what from what.
while firm and yet confrontive about what i believe to be a position that cannot be backed up with actual proof, i start out respectful.
my aim is to give opposing info that makes a person consider all sides. good & negative.
that shouldn't be a problem with those in life who reside on the "integrity" side of the fence.
if system players really have something, why wouldn't they want a guy like me turning the dirt over to see what's underneath?
to a person with something, that's a golden opportunity to showcase what you have, and to silence the critics.
not in here though. when i finally get to that point with someone, it's the cry foul from the crowd.
tells alot about the "abilities" to do what they say they can.
"silence" isn't proof. in fact, it's a sure sign they can't.
then, because i have this ability to get down to the point, and apply common sense to what i believe is a felonious position, some people who are in a weak position of life cannot take the heat when something they pursue comes under intense scrutiny.
so, the cry babies scream foul, and then it descends from there.
that taint my fault.
i don't pick at, prod, poke, chase or play with people who are respectful. just the arrogant ones. the ones that stick their neck out, and hand me in invitation.
then i go to work systematically demonstrating they are full of wishful thinking, and that's putting it politely.
"they" think they are arrogant enough to NOT be challenged on any level, and when they are, they cry about it.
once their "arrogance" and "sarcasm" reaches a certain level, that's when i pull out the "prove it card".
it's what i do.
cracks me up. compared to what you guys claim, and you think you have the right to cry "foul" when someone slices your position open for every one to see.
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Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Mar 30, 2011
visiondudnope. but since you insinuated......i also have archaeology, science, the eyewitness testimony of people who were opposed to Christ (obviously non biased there), mathematics, odds, affirmation based on previous information unobtainable my human manipulation, etc. so see, i am more than able.
A simple picture of God would go a long way. When you show yours I will show mine. You see the problem
with people like you is that you have no proof. I can and have shown my winning tickets to many and that
would be more than any thing you could show me to prove that there is a GOD. Go ahead and babble, babble
babble all you want about being some kind of know it all, when you are nothing more than a control freak. You
and jimmy both would not accept scans of tickets as proof but you yourself cannot muster up anything that
comes close. Jimmy said "who here could not come up with tons of them" Well jimmy I would be happy to
see just two scans of winning 4 of 5 winning tickets for anytime in the next couple days. I want the same proof
that you ask of me. I don't want to hear pointless bits of information but I want to see GOD. Like I said I will
show you mine when I see yours. What a hypocrite you are in every since of the word. You set yourself up as a
judge but you are no judge, you set yourself up as a defender of truth and you don't know the truth. What a
scam you have going. I don't want no second hand proof I want just what you expect from me. You want the
numbers in advance of the draw which would amount to me wanting to see GOD. Just what I thought, you can't
produce GOD so who is being untruthful now. V_I_S_I_O_N_D_U_D_E. No wonder so many have fallen away
from the faith when they have leaders like you. Remember produce GOD himself and I will provide a list of predraw
numbers. Fair is fair. Just what I thought as we all already know that you can't. The world is full of people like
you that claim something but can't produce the proof when asked. Just a bunch of second hand gossip that would
not hold up in court. Maybe right after you show me you can get him to make a appearence before the local school
board and get creation back in the school system. Seems like such a small thing when you think about it.
Where were you durning the big Scopes monkey trial in 1925 maybe with all your evidence you could get that
decision overturned. If you have the proof as you say then I think that you should go for it. But wait, you don't
just like I already knew. You see two can play this game, I want all the people who are riding the fence to see
just what you offer. Now I am no longer accepting pics I want to see the real thing as I think it's only fair.
Don't bother me with your second hand data, I want the real thing or nothing at all from you.
RL
seriously?
not only is your attempt to blame me pathetic - for something you can't back up on your own position, a position you asserted, and not me, your now selfish enough that your intent is to start some never ending back and forth about "god" ?
as much havoc as that selfish smokescreen would cause, you could care less what it does to others watching this thread, so long as you can escape the little spotlight on your "i can".
are you that weak in what you trumpet?
you know me.
you know when push comes to shove i am not remotely the man you are when it comes to defending my position. i will go to the Nth degree in here just to demonstrate i will back up what i say.
just to demonstrate the opposite of what people like you are, who run for the hills and blame others crying "i don't want to" when someone like me slides a little magnifying glass over your manifesto.
you slide one under mine, not a problema. the last one lasted like 30+ pages.
pretty much everyone reading this thread knows my penchant for "going there".
the archives of my username chronicles those countless rodeo's.
i already said......"i knew you wouldn't anyway" prior to asking you.
i just used you as an example to others than when you really get down to brass tax with guys like you......the room goes quiet, or they head for the exits.
your mistake ------> you got arrogant.
i actually don't mind extreme confidence, that's a great thing. admirable actually, so long as it's mixed with humble pie.
not a fan of arrogance.....especially when someones "arrogance" infers wishful thinking on others.
you see how i played "nice" with rickG, garyo, amerikan, etc? that's because they play respectfully
you chose the arrogant route. not a good choice with a guy like me who will eventually paint you into that corner called "proveitland".
so, if you wanna believe your arrogance matches your ability, that's cool, i can go another "rodeo" in here about the god thing if your selfishness demands it.
should i provide a link to one of my archives were i "went there"......for like 30 pages+ of back and forth just to prove what you accuse me of "not doing"?
do i need to inflict that on the reading audience because you dragged "god" into this, just because of your squeamish inabilities?
that's only 1 "rodeo". i have dozens
just get permission from the other people in this thread if you cannot control yourself, because you know my "penchant", and you know i MORE than will
don't cry because "you can't", and then blame me cuz "you won't".
that's on you
chalk this one up to another malignant case of arrogance i really cant-ism.
my only "sin" in here is my regular assault on the english language. i like it though, because it makes me human and FLAWED, and therefore not above anyone else...
I just printed a screen capture of it and tomorrow it will be on the bulletin board in the break room of the math department of a university near me.
Good and bad "quality" QuickPicks. Priceless!
Rdgrnr poked some fun at this thread over in the Lottery Discussion Forum a while ago when he said, "It's not important if you win. It's only important to have a good set of numbers. And just because your numbers lose doesn't mean they're bad numbers. It's better to lose with a good set of numbers than win with a bad set. Makes perfect sense to me."
--Jimmy4164
Jimmy
Knowing that over half a billion tickets were sold and only one ticket won should speak volumes
and I would say that all thoses QP's are doing a very good job of building up the jackpot. Ridge is
the comic relief here at LP in my opinion and I have no problem with him taking a poke at what I
say. It's not suprising to me at all that you find this hilarious and I know you made your contrubitions
to the JP. I don't expect much from ridge or anyone for that matter who thinks that all sets have the
same chance of winning. Just another page on the QP VS SP soaps. I have to say that I almost went
out and got a couple myself but my intelect got the best of me and I kept the money in my pocket.
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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Mar 31, 2011
it's pretty simple, the explanation of the deterioration thereof...
i start off offering a systematic counter (known as an "opposing opinion" in debating circles) to the many assertions made by system players that "they' can manipulate the outcome, which is what this thread is about, the breakdown of what distiguishes what from what.
while firm and yet confrontive about what i believe to be a position that cannot be backed up with actual proof, i start out respectful.
my aim is to give opposing info that makes a person consider all sides. good & negative.
that shouldn't be a problem with those in life who reside on the "integrity" side of the fence.
if system players really have something, why wouldn't they want a guy like me turning the dirt over to see what's underneath?
to a person with something, that's a golden opportunity to showcase what you have, and to silence the critics.
not in here though. when i finally get to that point with someone, it's the cry foul from the crowd.
tells alot about the "abilities" to do what they say they can.
"silence" isn't proof. in fact, it's a sure sign they can't.
then, because i have this ability to get down to the point, and apply common sense to what i believe is a felonious position, some people who are in a weak position of life cannot take the heat when something they pursue comes under intense scrutiny.
so, the cry babies scream foul, and then it descends from there.
that taint my fault.
i don't pick at, prod, poke, chase or play with people who are respectful. just the arrogant ones. the ones that stick their neck out, and hand me in invitation.
then i go to work systematically demonstrating they are full of wishful thinking, and that's putting it politely.
"they" think they are arrogant enough to NOT be challenged on any level, and when they are, they cry about it.
once their "arrogance" and "sarcasm" reaches a certain level, that's when i pull out the "prove it card".
it's what i do.
cracks me up. compared to what you guys claim, and you think you have the right to cry "foul" when someone slices your position open for every one to see.
vision
My tickets are very much the proof so until you can match this with your claims then.