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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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Posted: April 1, 2011, 4:55 pm - IP Logged

I agree.

Visiondude says he expects repeatability, however, even if I was actually able to win the Hoosier Lotto 2 times, he'd still go off on a rocker and say "You just got really lucky. If you really want to prove your system works, make it THREE", despite the fact it's not a Pick 3 game, it's a Pick 6, a game with odds of 1 in 12,271,512 for a 6/6 match, which winning once by itself could take someone many years to achieve. I'm certaintly not going to be concerned with some person on the internet and whether or not they believe my system works.

no,  actually integrity in life demands that a person who can really demonstrate they can extract profit from personal effort is repeatability......otherwise it is luck

don't blame me,  blame the qualifying bar

or,  we can play the game your way,  and say QP's are obviously superior,  because they win more JP games,  and pick 3 players never end up on CNN

without proof a spreadsheet that screams repeatability,  all you can do is convince yourself it was "skill"

you act like i live to deny people success.

that would be a lie

i live for that,  but i also reside in reality,  the fast track to sustained "success"

the kind that really counts

            "i am .........."meant to"       

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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    PS

    I also want to add that I got a 10 dollar easy match QP which had 5 lines and not one of the numbers matched.

    However If I buy a normal QP I bet that there would be many dups in the numbers selected.  Just another scam

    to rake it in.

    RL

    you are so right

    i am sure the winners of the $319 million mega millions are feeling "scammed" right about now

    probably having a pow wow as we speak on returning the money

    dang QP's are a scam they are sreaming to themselves

                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

             until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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      Jimmy

      Post some tickets for one of your games tonight's winning tickets, Do it right after the draw.

      That is what I done so I guess that you did mean that my tickets were fakes,  meaning that

      I got them somewhere else and then claimed I picked them with my software.  Funny thing

      though you would have to pick one of thousands of different setups to produce these same

      numbers that were on the tickets.  You see, I did not just scan the tickets but took a screen

      shot of the settings so others could pick the same exact sets that were on the tickets.  Trying

      to do this after the fact would have greater odds the hitting the lottery.  Just another excuse

      trying to cover your tracks. 

      RL

      "That is what I done so I guess that you did mean that my tickets were fakes,  meaning that I got them somewhere else and then claimed I picked them with my software."

      No, that's not what I meant at all.  If you could understand the implications of my summary of MadDog's Powerball Challenge for 2010, you wouldn't have made this post.  Apparently, the only thing you took note of in that summary was that Winlotta had his ship come in with a 5/5 pick, which was expected with the purchase of 8,271,258 tickets.

      http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/222395/1899924

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        That's exactly my point: no matter what someone tries to do to 'prove' they have had success, it will never be enough. As just just did, you can always find a reason to nullify their claim. So why even bother asking for something when you know in advance you will not accept it? 

        And why does anyone have to post proof to begin with? If you don't believe them, then let it go and move on to another thread or forum.

        Guilt's the one that has to be proved.  Otherwise innocence is assumed.  Someone's been playing shell games with the burden of proof while his team used the confusion to grab the moral high ground.

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          jimmy

          No, I was looking at the 4ea 5 of 5's and the 4 of 5's and the 3 of 5's...........

          RL

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            change the semantics,  who cares.

            the point i was making is that "you guys" claim you can alter the outcome thru personal effort,  and i demonstrated that isn't remotely true,  because you cannot change the win percentage demonstrated in those statistics.

            if "you guys" really had something,  those statistics would move in your favor.

            the fact that they never move proves it's all random

            before you attempt to post a thread "claiming" people can win thru their efforts with a "see,  her are some winners" link,  to be fair in the integrity game of life you would have to provide the info of how much the lost as well on their way to their "scanned ticket",  and the most important qualifying quotient.....sustainability.

            changing the semantics....repeatability.

            scanned "winners" don't make a legit system.

            you are right, no one "owes me" the right to prove anything,  but if you are going to brag "you can",  then that gets the attention it deserves to actually qualify "you can".     that's fair.  a respectful opposing view is fair,  and only somebody with something to hide would oppose an opposing view.

            oppsing views have no consequent on my position in life.  challenges don't offend me.

            on the other hand,  when someone crosses the line into arrogance land,  that's when they get thier position sliced open for everyone to see.

            guess what,  in life.....that's fair

            the point i was making is that "you guys" claim you can alter the outcome thru personal effort,  and i demonstrated that isn't remotely true,  because you cannot change the win percentage demonstrated in those statistics.

            if "you guys" really had something,  those statistics would move in your favor.

            Just because 30% pick their own doesn't necessarily mean that they are all sitting at home with pen and paper everyday trying analyze the numbers and work out the next combinations to play. The percentage of people doing that could be very low and may not make a noticable difference in the winning percentages.

            I'm not saying that you're right or wrong, I'm just saying that that those 70/30 numbers don't really tell any kind of story other than how many buy QP's and how many don't, and I don't see how a conclusion can be made about system play can be made based on that figure.

            There are no studies done of system play that I am aware of, so making a conclusion one way or the other on that 70/30 may be a stretch.

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              the point i was making is that "you guys" claim you can alter the outcome thru personal effort,  and i demonstrated that isn't remotely true,  because you cannot change the win percentage demonstrated in those statistics.

              if "you guys" really had something,  those statistics would move in your favor.

              Just because 30% pick their own doesn't necessarily mean that they are all sitting at home with pen and paper everyday trying analyze the numbers and work out the next combinations to play. The percentage of people doing that could be very low and may not make a noticable difference in the winning percentages.

              I'm not saying that you're right or wrong, I'm just saying that that those 70/30 numbers don't really tell any kind of story other than how many buy QP's and how many don't, and I don't see how a conclusion can be made about system play can be made based on that figure.

              There are no studies done of system play that I am aware of, so making a conclusion one way or the other on that 70/30 may be a stretch.

              It's not even clear what a systems player is.  On the other forums the great percentage of people posting aren't using systems in the sense they've devised a system or purchased one.  They're posting requests to posters who do say they have systems of one sort or another, or dreams, or astrologers, asking them to tell themselves numbers to play for Indiana tonight.

              Is a person who asks an astrologer for a number a systems player?  A person who plays numbers out of a fortune cookie a systems player?  All those people asking other people to give the numbers represented by their dreams?  Numerologists?

              Or is the systems player the one telling them what to play and the others just taking a different kind of quickpick?

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                It's not even clear what a systems player is.  On the other forums the great percentage of people posting aren't using systems in the sense they've devised a system or purchased one.  They're posting requests to posters who do say they have systems of one sort or another, or dreams, or astrologers, asking them to tell themselves numbers to play for Indiana tonight.

                Is a person who asks an astrologer for a number a systems player?  A person who plays numbers out of a fortune cookie a systems player?  All those people asking other people to give the numbers represented by their dreams?  Numerologists?

                Or is the systems player the one telling them what to play and the others just taking a different kind of quickpick?

                That's my point JM. If 70% buy quick picks and 30% don't, that's all we know. We have no clue about the makeup of the 30% and how they arrive at their numbers. I doubt we ever will know. If someone is a true systems player that has his own successful method for consistantly winning money from the lottery, and he wins a JP, I highly doubt he'll say "I have a system", he may just say "I dreamed the numbers" or "I found them in a fortune cookie". (Unless he's Richard Lustig, then he'll market a crappy book and sell it to all the wannbees).

                So, I doubt we'll ever really know one way or the other how successful systems are or aren't.

                All I know is, I enjoy the lottery (and gambling in general), I enjoy lottery methods, I enjoy challenging myself and the lottery, and if I win, great. If I don't, then no biggie.

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                  That's my point JM. If 70% buy quick picks and 30% don't, that's all we know. We have no clue about the makeup of the 30% and how they arrive at their numbers. I doubt we ever will know. If someone is a true systems player that has his own successful method for consistantly winning money from the lottery, and he wins a JP, I highly doubt he'll say "I have a system", he may just say "I dreamed the numbers" or "I found them in a fortune cookie". (Unless he's Richard Lustig, then he'll market a crappy book and sell it to all the wannbees).

                  So, I doubt we'll ever really know one way or the other how successful systems are or aren't.

                  All I know is, I enjoy the lottery (and gambling in general), I enjoy lottery methods, I enjoy challenging myself and the lottery, and if I win, great. If I don't, then no biggie.

                  Amerikan:  I enjoy the lottery too.  I enjoy watching people buy tickets when I'm in town, enjoy listening to what they say to the store clerks, enjoy listening to their mutterings when they fill out their betslips, and I enjoy the numbers.  I just don't buy tickets.  I enjoy gambling, too, but I haven't gambled in a casino or a weekly poker group for a long time. 

                  Just going to town and trying not to get run over in the traffic is enough of a gamble for the moment.

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                    Amerikan:  I enjoy the lottery too.  I enjoy watching people buy tickets when I'm in town, enjoy listening to what they say to the store clerks, enjoy listening to their mutterings when they fill out their betslips, and I enjoy the numbers.  I just don't buy tickets.  I enjoy gambling, too, but I haven't gambled in a casino or a weekly poker group for a long time. 

                    Just going to town and trying not to get run over in the traffic is enough of a gamble for the moment.

                    LOL, I've read that in some of your other posts too, that you don't actually play. I don't know if I can do that, Iv'e got to lay down at least a few bucks on the games. Maybe one day I'll be able to follow it and not spend any money. Then again, maybe not!

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                      That's my point JM. If 70% buy quick picks and 30% don't, that's all we know. We have no clue about the makeup of the 30% and how they arrive at their numbers. I doubt we ever will know. If someone is a true systems player that has his own successful method for consistantly winning money from the lottery, and he wins a JP, I highly doubt he'll say "I have a system", he may just say "I dreamed the numbers" or "I found them in a fortune cookie". (Unless he's Richard Lustig, then he'll market a crappy book and sell it to all the wannbees).

                      So, I doubt we'll ever really know one way or the other how successful systems are or aren't.

                      All I know is, I enjoy the lottery (and gambling in general), I enjoy lottery methods, I enjoy challenging myself and the lottery, and if I win, great. If I don't, then no biggie.

                       I doubt we'll ever really know one way or the other how successful systems are or aren't.

                      LP members who post on the prediction board are picking and posting their numbers for fun but probably do as well as any average player who picks his own numbers.  So if you want to know how successful they are just check out their prediction statistics, they are probably as good of stats as you'll ever get.

                       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                         
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                        For the anti-system players out there, if there is absolutely no difference between selecting your own numbers and QP's, then why would the lottery restrict the other 2 lines to just QP's?

                        I'm a system player and I believe lotteries really do believe there's no difference in the chances on winning using QPs or personal picks but offering the option add the additional cost of play slips and maintaining the terminals to read them correctly.  QPs are never printed incorrectly.

                        In theory, lotteries may not care whether you play QP or SP (at least when you're losing) but let a bunch of people win a decent sized prize by self-pick -- then the lottery cops are all checking TV episodes and visiting fortune-cookie factories.

                        We can all self-pick the same losing fortune-cookie numbers all day, no prob.

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                          In theory, lotteries may not care whether you play QP or SP (at least when you're losing) but let a bunch of people win a decent sized prize by self-pick -- then the lottery cops are all checking TV episodes and visiting fortune-cookie factories.

                          We can all self-pick the same losing fortune-cookie numbers all day, no prob.

                          I think I recall something about a jackpot and fortune cookies a few years ago.  Were there lottery cops involved?  As I recall someone or a group of people won a jackpot somewhere with fortune cookie numbers. 

                          If you are saying there were lottery cops involved, what were they looking for?

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                             I doubt we'll ever really know one way or the other how successful systems are or aren't.

                            LP members who post on the prediction board are picking and posting their numbers for fun but probably do as well as any average player who picks his own numbers.  So if you want to know how successful they are just check out their prediction statistics, they are probably as good of stats as you'll ever get.

                            Those of you who are good at it probably could make a bundle going into the Fortune Cookie Magnate business.

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                              change the semantics,  who cares.

                              the point i was making is that "you guys" claim you can alter the outcome thru personal effort,  and i demonstrated that isn't remotely true,  because you cannot change the win percentage demonstrated in those statistics.

                              if "you guys" really had something,  those statistics would move in your favor.

                              the fact that they never move proves it's all random

                              before you attempt to post a thread "claiming" people can win thru their efforts with a "see,  her are some winners" link,  to be fair in the integrity game of life you would have to provide the info of how much the lost as well on their way to their "scanned ticket",  and the most important qualifying quotient.....sustainability.

                              changing the semantics....repeatability.

                              scanned "winners" don't make a legit system.

                              you are right, no one "owes me" the right to prove anything,  but if you are going to brag "you can",  then that gets the attention it deserves to actually qualify "you can".     that's fair.  a respectful opposing view is fair,  and only somebody with something to hide would oppose an opposing view.

                              oppsing views have no consequent on my position in life.  challenges don't offend me.

                              on the other hand,  when someone crosses the line into arrogance land,  that's when they get thier position sliced open for everyone to see.

                              guess what,  in life.....that's fair

                              "scanned "winners" don't make a legit system."

                              QP, Auto pick, EZ pick or something similar would be clearly marked as such. They are legit winners picked by the players. Why don't you ask them if they used a system that fits your definition?

                              "you are right, no one "owes me" the right to prove anything"

                              Even if you said "no one is obligated", the rest of that statement still makes no sense.

                              "but if you are going to brag "you can"

                              Since nobody bragged "they could", I guess you're out of luck and makes the rest of your remarks meaningless.

                              "when someone crosses the line into arrogance land"

                              I'll bet you're very lonely in ignorance land.

                                 
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