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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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Posted: March 31, 2011, 10:51 pm - IP Logged

Guru101, did you not notice the stalemate?

"...who cares how many QPs lose.....," a one word change renders it, "...who cares how many SPs lose..."

Seems to me the QPers do. QPers will when they realize they have twice the odds of losing with a QP."

But thatfact would only bring out more common sense. 

Maybe a new T-Sirt for the collection:

Front says: "I lose twice as often with Quicks Picks....."

Back says: "...but it don't matter!!!!"

your not very good at math, garyo

the "math" states you guys lose 70% of the time.

that's pretty pathetic,  seeing how the only effort the 70 percenters put toward the lottery is handing the clerk a dollar bill or three,  while you guys expend  thousands of hours.

  btw,  how much time and effort did you throw at the last mega millions king JP?

   because those "losers" walked away with the JP....      with a  QP

 i dunno,  since now you turned the conversation around and made it about "losing percentage",  maybe you can take it upon yourself to explain on behalf of all the systems players why you can't "lessen" your losing percentage from 30% to maybe even a paltry 40%

you don't even wanna know what your "t-shirt" would read in a the real world,  the one beyond wishful thinking land.

move the percentage up to 35%......then you can brag

            "i am .........."meant to"       

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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    your not very good at math, garyo

    the "math" states you guys lose 70% of the time.

    that's pretty pathetic,  seeing how the only effort the 70 percenters put toward the lottery is handing the clerk a dollar bill or three,  while you guys expend  thousands of hours.

      btw,  how much time and effort did you throw at the last mega millions king JP?

       because those "losers" walked away with the JP....      with a  QP

     i dunno,  since now you turned the conversation around and made it about "losing percentage",  maybe you can take it upon yourself to explain on behalf of all the systems players why you can't "lessen" your losing percentage from 30% to maybe even a paltry 40%

    you don't even wanna know what your "t-shirt" would read in a the real world,  the one beyond wishful thinking land.

    move the percentage up to 35%......then you can brag

    "the "math" states you guys lose 70% of the time."

    "If people can't understand why 70% to 80% of PB jackpot winners are QPs when 70% to 80% of the ticket purchases are QPs, they shouldn't be in the Mathematics Forum."

    I rest my case.


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      I think the recent back and forth in this Topic can be summed up this way:

      RL-RANDOMLOGIC claims to have devised a methodology that allows him to stay in the black betting in a (5,39) Lotto game WITHOUT winning a 5/5 Jackpot.

      RL-RANDOMLOGIC can not prove that his claim is true, so he falls back on several excuses that basically boil down to the claim that revealing his complete methodology would not be in his best interests. Now that doesn't mean he's setting the stage for a marketing effort for his program.  No way!  He's emphatic that he has no intention of EVER selling that thingy.

      RL-RANDOMLOGIC laughably challenges VISIONDUDE to prove that his methodology does NOT work when he hasn't provided sufficient information for anyone to prove that it DOES work. Unhappy

      RL-RANDOMLOGIC has finally admitted that he DOES, in fact, use past draw history to make his betting decisions, but claims immunity from the Gambler's Fallacy!  Uh huh... Roll Eyes

      Jimmy4164 has been trying to help people be aware that there are TWO large drums (RL-RANDOMLOGIC's metaphor) to be considered in a (5,39) Lotto game.  They both start out with 575757 objects representing all the possible draws.  RL-RANDOMLOGIC discards Hundreds of Thousands of these objects from his drum before he applies the [undisclosed] final procedure of his methodology to select his 8-15 lines to bet on.  He throws away sets that have too few or too many unique digits, just one of many types of sets he views as low "quality."  HOWEVER, the drum from which the state draws the winning object has NONE of the 575757 objects removed before it churns and mixes them, finally picking the winner at random.  Close your eyes and think about that!

      @Stack47:  QuickPicks are generated with more than adequate Random Number Generators, so your claim they can't be backtested is illogical and bogus, to say the least.

      P.S. The Taxman is not far from our doors; are you ready for him? Smile

      --Jimmy4164

       

       

       

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        "the "math" states you guys lose 70% of the time."

        "If people can't understand why 70% to 80% of PB jackpot winners are QPs when 70% to 80% of the ticket purchases are QPs, they shouldn't be in the Mathematics Forum."

        I rest my case.

        well that one flew over stacks head free willy style.

        since now we are playing the "i rest my case" game,   you can see "intelligence" doesn't always play catch up to common sense.

        figure out new ways to amalgamate the washing machine process stack,  the facts are "you guys" can't close the 70/30 gap at all.

        pretty pathetic dontcha think?  .....  despite the countless hours you attempt it,  and the countless air high fives you give each after you don't,  day after day after day.

        the joke is on you.

        turn it around,  lets say it was 70% SP's,  and 30% QP's that were purchased.

         you guys still can't change that 70/30 standard.

        the fact that you can't change the standard at all is a solid indicator "you can't" to begin with.

        manipulation is the ability TO move a standard,  and not one of you guys can on a repeated ongoing basis.

        the part of this equation you are purposefully ignoring,  is that if systems worked,  it wouldn't matter how many were "played". 

        what would matter is what WAS played,  vs what was profitable because OF the modality.

        hence,  in that equation,  because "you guys" can never move that bar closer to a 50/50 showing,  you got bupkiss.

        afterall,  "systems" are the better method that can be used to extract more profit from the lottery,  whereas QP's are for dummies.....(according to systems players claims)...

        do i have that right?

        of course i do. 

        here is another ahhhh hummm moment.

        if there was a lottery system out there that was profitable,  there would eventually be a ton of people profiting from it eventually. 

        if it's righteous,  it can be repeated,  and once it can be repeated,  it can be repeated by everyone that uses it,  so long as they follow the same tactic,  that the originator had success with it.

        successful formulas are successful to each successor,  when they are replicated the same way

        the fact that this has never happened,  is but another indicator it's a bogus claim.

        don't give us that lame excuse "once the lotteries find out,  they will change the matrix and screw us up.  we HAVE to be secretive".

        that's an excuse.

        given time,  it's just a larger number field,  it could be done again

        there are actually people in this world who aren't selfish dweebs,  who when they become succcessful,  they share knowledge.

        certainly in a parimutual game you guys can't use that lame excuse.

        because you only see a few claimed "hits" at LP,  and not a lightning bolt thru the lottery community,  that's another "ahhhh hummm" moment.

        never been one solid lightning bolt.

        the truth......there are THOUSANDS of systems thrown at the lottery everyday here just at LP alone. 

        and another "ahhhh hummm",  the people who are supposedly the best at it are constantly tweaking it.

        you don't ever have to "tweak" success.     you just keep riding the same wave

        since we are in a mathematics forum, a little more "addition"...    no single successful person at LP that can demonstrate sustained continuity of repeatability over time,  and certainly there has never been an "ahhh hummm" moment in all of LP's history.

        seen alot of "dude,  i stumbled onto something.  it gave me a hit yesterday.  this is it"......followed by unsustainability

        seen literally thousands of "those conversations"

        still waiting for the "ahhh hummm" lightning bolt moment,  where i can hang up my "i told you can't manufacture a better outcome thru self effort beyond luck, fate".....hat

        i wonder how much personal time i will get back for myself,  from protecting people from desperation/wishful thinking land?

        that would be nice

                    "i am .........."meant to"       

        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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          gee wizz,  the ahhhhh hummm moments are coming at a record pace tonight.

          another common sense reminder ....  it's a fact,  that systems players can't even threaten the pick 3 games with enough "suspicion" to rile the lottery commisions into building road blocks into the game so you cannot exploit it.

          that's just the 3 number games.

          when was the last time you heard groans and rumblings from within any state lottery about it's players extracting too many profits from the pick 3,  and they need to do something about it?

          you haven't,  because still no one can.

          that's just pick 3,  the "easiest game".

          i dunno,  i never heard of them making the pick 3 "harder",  because they thought someone was getting the better of them via their "skill"

          you think they lay awake at night worrying about you guys "threatening" to bank profits over efforts in any game above pick 3?

          lottery officials sleep like baby's at night,  knowing there isn't one person out there that can beat their design.

          one thing they won't do is publically admit they secretly laugh at your thinking you can.

          they depend upon your 30%

          they soothe their conscience with that disclaimer "please,  if you must gamble,  gamble wisely".  (snicker - snicker)

          one conversation you will never hear.....is a lottery commissioner telling an ardent system player to play 1QP.

          anyone that can't read between the lines as to the "why" of the why that will never happen,  it's only because they have  sold their soul to the "god" of wishful thunkin

          that's the one part of the lottery i disdain.  the desperation quotient

          turns reasonable intelligent right thinking common sense considering people into mush

          you know what common sense buys me in this threads taa doo?    the knowledge that the lottery designers and commissioners don't make fun of a guy like me,  when they are  at one of their "meetings".

          nope.  they are concocting up more ways to seperate you from your wishful thinking,  all the while astonished on how easy thier job is.

          that is the difference between "fun" and reasonable effort,  and wishful thinking.

          i think lottery officials go out and buy a new temporpedic bed with their first bonus check

                      "i am .........."meant to"       

          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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            I think the recent back and forth in this Topic can be summed up this way:

            RL-RANDOMLOGIC claims to have devised a methodology that allows him to stay in the black betting in a (5,39) Lotto game WITHOUT winning a 5/5 Jackpot.

            RL-RANDOMLOGIC can not prove that his claim is true, so he falls back on several excuses that basically boil down to the claim that revealing his complete methodology would not be in his best interests. Now that doesn't mean he's setting the stage for a marketing effort for his program.  No way!  He's emphatic that he has no intention of EVER selling that thingy.

            RL-RANDOMLOGIC laughably challenges VISIONDUDE to prove that his methodology does NOT work when he hasn't provided sufficient information for anyone to prove that it DOES work. Unhappy

            RL-RANDOMLOGIC has finally admitted that he DOES, in fact, use past draw history to make his betting decisions, but claims immunity from the Gambler's Fallacy!  Uh huh... Roll Eyes

            Jimmy4164 has been trying to help people be aware that there are TWO large drums (RL-RANDOMLOGIC's metaphor) to be considered in a (5,39) Lotto game.  They both start out with 575757 objects representing all the possible draws.  RL-RANDOMLOGIC discards Hundreds of Thousands of these objects from his drum before he applies the [undisclosed] final procedure of his methodology to select his 8-15 lines to bet on.  He throws away sets that have too few or too many unique digits, just one of many types of sets he views as low "quality."  HOWEVER, the drum from which the state draws the winning object has NONE of the 575757 objects removed before it churns and mixes them, finally picking the winner at random.  Close your eyes and think about that!

            @Stack47:  QuickPicks are generated with more than adequate Random Number Generators, so your claim they can't be backtested is illogical and bogus, to say the least.

            P.S. The Taxman is not far from our doors; are you ready for him? Smile

            --Jimmy4164

             

             

             

            Jim, jim, jim.

            #1, I have a system and it matches all my claimes. 

            #2  I have proved my claims to many, sorry your not in the loop

            #3  What you call a laughable challenge to visionless dude has nothing to do with the lottery, This was just a

                   test to confirm what I already knew, just wanted to be sure.

            #5  RL has not admitted any fallacy but I have proven vision just like you does not know what he/she thinks he/she

                  knows so well.

            #6 Jimmy has not been trying to help anyone......  Anyone interested in the sidestep queens taticits should read

                 the LP news thread  Missouri Senate to discuss privatizing state lottery.  

            #7 Jimmy still thinks that balls bouncing around inside a hopper will somehow produce a new set of numbers that

                 did not exist before the drawing.  I can find all those same numbers in the matrix without fail.  The numbers

                 bouncing around are nothing more then a method used to try and prove the draw is not fixed.  Some of the

                 more advanced states use a RNG and while I guess most people in Missouri know what I am saying is true

                 because we use a modern day RNG vs the aincent tumbler that was in use around  the same time as those

                 who believed the world was flat.

            #8 All of my claims of winning are from past attempts while playing in the past.   I started making scans of my

                 tickets that I played to show proof of what I could do back before my system post was closed down.  I got

                 a PM from a member which will go unnamed asking me not to post those ticket scans and I thought why

                 would the leading critic of my system ask me not to post the proof of my claims in a PM while at the same

                 time continue to tash my system?  Hmmmmmm. 

            #9 Yes Stack, close your eves to what is going on then you will maybe be able to see things the same way as

                  jimmy.  I wonder if this is some sort of hypnosis plan used to control your mind, Oh nooooooo. Quick stack

                  open them eyes back up,  Stack, STACK, wake up stack, Whew! that was close.  Could of had another sombie

                  after me. 

            #10. Ever wonder why jimmy does not answer or try to reply to the main topics of post but has to pick on typing

                    errors or some other meaningless part of a post that I think that most just read over.  Also notice how he

                    uses large fonts and color codes them so that they stick out.  All this is an attempt to focus attention away

                    from the hard questions he cannot answer or for some reason chooses not to. Hmmmmm again. 

            #11.Jimmy like to throw up some worthless point trying to incite anger so he can lead the post in the direction

                    he wants it to go.           

            #12 No amount of evidence will ever suffice a person who is not willing to change what they think.  He many times

                   ignores what the real digit system is and goes about ranting his twisted verson of what it is.  You see the 

                   digit system is nothing more then selecting digits to play as a method to reduce the field.  He has never once

                   addressed this staying on topic.  I ask again jimmy what are the odds of selecting the correct digits meaning

                  if I select 5 out of 10 or 6 out of 10 when using digits 1-2-3 to begin with.  Not interested in any other long

                  winded math statement except the odds for doing this.  Never ever has he answered this question which is

                  what the digits system is.  Choose the correct digits and the winning set can be built from these digits.  From

                  this point on it is a matter of filtering to reduce sets to a amount that fits my budget.   He can't  do the math 

                  that is needed to do this and is a very good pointer for those interested. 

            #13 This is why he continues to bash what I say trying to lead people away from his inabilities.  I could be wrong

                   but I don't think so. . 

             

            #14  I say that the sets generated follow in population the sets in the matrix. 

            Matrix percents are rounded

            SETS WITH 5 TOTAL DIGITS = 199500  PER =  35 

            SETS WITH 6 TOTAL DIGITS = 229473  PER =  40 

            Actual drawings  (750)

            SETS WITH 5 TOTAL DIGITS = 271  PER =  36  +1
            SETS WITH 6 TOTAL DIGITS = 277  PER =  36  - 4

            Actual drawings  (100)
            SETS WITH 5 TOTAL DIGITS = 33  PER =  33  - 1
            SETS WITH 6 TOTAL DIGITS = 41  PER =  41  +1 

            Actual drawings  (60)
            SETS WITH 5 TOTAL DIGITS = 20  PER =  34  - 1
            SETS WITH 6 TOTAL DIGITS = 22  PER =  38  - 2 

            I time my play to the days that I think digit totals will be 5 or 6 but do not limit myself to these days only

            If I feel the data supports playing another value I might try to hit that also.  Since I play conditional odds

            based on the assumption that I have predicted the number of digits that will appear in the next set this 

            leaves me with  picking so many of the 10 digits to put into play.  If 75 percent of the sets in the matrix 

            have 5 or 6 total digits then I believe that 75% of the draws will also have 5 or 6 digits.  Only 25% of

            actual drawings will fall in the less then 5 or more then 6 digit range.  If as I have found from my own

            observations that QP's don't follow this rule of having the correct population of digits vs the matrix then

            this would mean that a QP is not quite as good as many think and explains why so many tickets are

            needed before a JP is won.  If your QP falls into the 25% crowd and if the draws follow the matrix in 

            population then you only have a 25% vs a 75% chance of being in the winning end of the pool.  I in 

            no way say that the winning ticket will not came from the 25% end of the pool but I do say that only

            25% of the draws will.  This is why I pick my own numbers using digits  and don't buy QP's.  I don't 

            say that just because I pick my own numbers that I can somehow make the draw match my numbers

            but i think anyone with a brain could see the points I make.  My overall system of plays is designed to

            take advantage of this and tries to trap the lower prizes in the process.  Even a 2 of 5 wins even money

            for my 5-39 and should be considered doing far better expected.  If you think that what I have posted

            will win a  jackpot anytime you want to play then I think that you need a few remedial reading classes

            and a good dictionary. Whil I do make mistakes I think that I have made my point very clear.  Some will

            now try to cover this post with a bunch of crap to get it moved off the main burnner and shoved out of

            sight so they can continue trying to save face.  I win much more often then I ever did picking numbers

            or buying QP's and for this I have been the subject of attack by a few who seem to have no interest in

            the truth.

             

            RL

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              For those who think ping pong balls don't follow the same rules

              Mega millions, which is a ball droper

              matrix values (rounded)

              DIGIT 2 =          60  PER =    0  AVG =   0  IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 3 =    12364  PER =    0  AVG =   0  IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 4 =  223952  PER = .06  AVG =   1  IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 5 =1019880  PER =  27  AVG = 27 IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 6 =1550676  PER =  41  AVG = 41 IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 7 =  847860  PER =  22  AVG = 22 IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 8 =  157200  PER = .04  AVG =   0 IN 100 DRAWS

              actual draws (582)

              DIGIT 2 =           0  PER =    0  AVG =    0 IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 3 =           1  PER =    0  AVG =    0 IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 4 =         37  PER =  .06 AVG =    1 IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 5 =       169  PER =  29  AVG =  29 IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 6 =       223  PER =  38  AVG =  38 IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 7 =       120  PER =  21  AVG =  21 IN 100 DRAWS
              DIGIT 8 =         25  PER = .04  AVG =    0 IN 100 DRAWS

              did not include sets with 9 digits

              RL


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                RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

                I'm sorry if you feel besieged.  If you could see that there is a difference between a "challenge" and an "attack," you might feel better about this situation.  Perhaps you will learn something to help you improve your system, which you are apparently always trying to do.  Beating the odds by a factor of 11 would be sufficient for me to hit the road and start cashing in, but I guess you want more.  Regarding your last post, all I can do is quote MY last post.  This is adapted from your very own "mind experiment" of a previous post.  Remember?  The analogy of a drum containing a small object for each possible set was a good idea.  Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to help you see that when you remove so many objects from YOUR drum and the state's drum remains full, you run the risk of "throwing the baby out with the bath water!"

                Here's what I said early this morning:

                "Jimmy4164 has been trying to help people be aware that there are TWO large drums (RL-RANDOMLOGIC's metaphor) to be considered in a (5,39) Lotto game.  They both start out with 575757 objects representing all the possible draws.  RL-RANDOMLOGIC discards Hundreds of Thousands of these objects from his drum before he applies the [undisclosed] final procedure of his methodology to select his 8-15 lines to bet on.  He throws away sets that have too few or too many unique digits, just one of many types of sets he views as low "quality."  HOWEVER, the drum from which the state draws the winning object has NONE of the 575757 objects removed before it churns and mixes them, finally picking the winner at random.  Close your eyes and think about that!"

                By the way, why does it annoy you when someone takes advantage of the powerful color and font features of the text editor here at LP?

                --Jimmy4164

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                  Jimmy, your drum analogy sounds good but it doesn't work. 

                  Regardless of whether you use quickpicks or a system, you are discarding tickets from your drum. The only difference is HOW you discarded them.

                  As you say, RL dicards hundreds of thousands of those objects from HIS drums before applying his final procedure. So let's say he throws all those objects away and ends up with 100 that he is going to play.

                  Jimmy4164, on the other hand, goes out and buys 100 quickpicks. By doing so, he too has discarded hundreds of thousands of objects from HIS drum while "the drum from which the state draws the winning objects has NONE of the 575757 objects removed from it before it churns and mixes them, finally picking the winner at random."

                  You've did the very same thing RL did: discarded hundreds of tickets from your drum while the state will draw from a full drum.

                  The only difference is how each of you decided to throw away all those tickets. One did it systematically, the other randomly.

                  I just don't get why it bothers you so much that he doesn't use the same method that you use?

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                    Jimmy

                    I could enjoy this sort of reply from you any day, It is exactly what I am looking for.  I see your point

                    and agree.  I feel that my many years of doing this has given me some insight as to which group is

                    most likely to show in the next draw.  I do miss very often but when I do hit the return is very nice.

                    I cannot force the draw and must wait it out.  I do play every day but only purchase tickets on certain

                    days I feel I have a good chance of hitting.  This in no way ensures I will hit so I guess looking at it from

                    that angle it could be considered chance.  It may just be chance but when I do make the correct selections

                    the payoffs are much bigger. 

                    When I do hit I normally win a good amount.  When I hit a 3 of 5 it is not just one but many and can and

                    often is as many as 4 or 5 with around 15 lines.  The same thing applies to 4 of 5's.  I have had days when I

                    have hit mor then 1 on 15 lines.  I give credit for this to using digits.  I don't think that we dissagree as much

                    as we might think.  It could be that everything has not been considered.  Many days all I hit is several 2 of 5

                    matches and lose a few bucks overall.  However over the course of a year I have a few very good hits.  If

                    I could as you say maintain a rate of 11X on any day I choose to play then I would be out there doing it every 

                    day.  I hit several 5 of 5's over the course of a year but the fact that I did not buy the tickets on those days

                    shows my timming needs more work.  The large color fonts are a distraction and add nothing to my ability to

                    understand what you want to convey.  I always try and put things in simple terms not wanting to make it hard

                    for anyone to understand but this often has drawbacks.  I would very much like to move past the bickering and

                    move foward.

                    RL

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                      well that one flew over stacks head free willy style.

                      since now we are playing the "i rest my case" game,   you can see "intelligence" doesn't always play catch up to common sense.

                      figure out new ways to amalgamate the washing machine process stack,  the facts are "you guys" can't close the 70/30 gap at all.

                      pretty pathetic dontcha think?  .....  despite the countless hours you attempt it,  and the countless air high fives you give each after you don't,  day after day after day.

                      the joke is on you.

                      turn it around,  lets say it was 70% SP's,  and 30% QP's that were purchased.

                       you guys still can't change that 70/30 standard.

                      the fact that you can't change the standard at all is a solid indicator "you can't" to begin with.

                      manipulation is the ability TO move a standard,  and not one of you guys can on a repeated ongoing basis.

                      the part of this equation you are purposefully ignoring,  is that if systems worked,  it wouldn't matter how many were "played". 

                      what would matter is what WAS played,  vs what was profitable because OF the modality.

                      hence,  in that equation,  because "you guys" can never move that bar closer to a 50/50 showing,  you got bupkiss.

                      afterall,  "systems" are the better method that can be used to extract more profit from the lottery,  whereas QP's are for dummies.....(according to systems players claims)...

                      do i have that right?

                      of course i do. 

                      here is another ahhhh hummm moment.

                      if there was a lottery system out there that was profitable,  there would eventually be a ton of people profiting from it eventually. 

                      if it's righteous,  it can be repeated,  and once it can be repeated,  it can be repeated by everyone that uses it,  so long as they follow the same tactic,  that the originator had success with it.

                      successful formulas are successful to each successor,  when they are replicated the same way

                      the fact that this has never happened,  is but another indicator it's a bogus claim.

                      don't give us that lame excuse "once the lotteries find out,  they will change the matrix and screw us up.  we HAVE to be secretive".

                      that's an excuse.

                      given time,  it's just a larger number field,  it could be done again

                      there are actually people in this world who aren't selfish dweebs,  who when they become succcessful,  they share knowledge.

                      certainly in a parimutual game you guys can't use that lame excuse.

                      because you only see a few claimed "hits" at LP,  and not a lightning bolt thru the lottery community,  that's another "ahhhh hummm" moment.

                      never been one solid lightning bolt.

                      the truth......there are THOUSANDS of systems thrown at the lottery everyday here just at LP alone. 

                      and another "ahhhh hummm",  the people who are supposedly the best at it are constantly tweaking it.

                      you don't ever have to "tweak" success.     you just keep riding the same wave

                      since we are in a mathematics forum, a little more "addition"...    no single successful person at LP that can demonstrate sustained continuity of repeatability over time,  and certainly there has never been an "ahhh hummm" moment in all of LP's history.

                      seen alot of "dude,  i stumbled onto something.  it gave me a hit yesterday.  this is it"......followed by unsustainability

                      seen literally thousands of "those conversations"

                      still waiting for the "ahhh hummm" lightning bolt moment,  where i can hang up my "i told you can't manufacture a better outcome thru self effort beyond luck, fate".....hat

                      i wonder how much personal time i will get back for myself,  from protecting people from desperation/wishful thinking land?

                      that would be nice

                      From the PB website: "About 70% to 80% of purchases are computer picks. About 70% to 80% of winners are computer picks. Perhaps just one of those weird coincidences?"

                      From Visiondude: "you guys still can't change that 70/30 standard."

                      First of all it's not a standard; it's an overall average and the average makes no distinction of personal picks. Birthday numbers, dream numbers, and fortune cookie numbers are all included with system play. Because it's an average, in some drawings the percentages could favor personal picks. There is no actual data for personal picks so we can't compare system play to other non-QP methods.

                      Second of all, the "about 70/30" average only applies to PB and I haven't read where anyone claimed they have a jackpot winning PB system.

                      Thirdly, read the PB odds and payoff charts and it will tell you how many QPs you need to purchase before you can expect win any prize. Those numbers apply equally to systems so system player can expect to do no worse. The reason for using a system is to get higher than expected return, but even without a higher return the two plays are exactly the same. 

                      We already know that more players choose QPs with no statistical advantage over PP and why about 70% of anything should outperform 30% of the same thing. Telling us what we already know redundantly is just more useless information.

                      "since we are in a mathematics forum, a little more "addition"...    no single successful person at LP that can demonstrate sustained continuity of repeatability over time,  and certainly there has never been an "ahhh hummm" moment in all of LP's history."

                      Read this:

                      http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/216513

                      There are multiple winners on the very first page. These members have no legal, moral, or ethical obligations to you or anyone else to prove anything!

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                        @RL-RANDOMLOGIC and Stack47: no matter what you post and no matter what kind of 'proof' you provide, the naysayers will continue to argue as to why it isn't good enough. They'll never be satisfied no matter what you say or post.

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                          I don't know whose right or wrong here and I'm not taking sides.

                          I play my own picks and quick picks (one of each on jp games) so I guess I'd be neutral.

                          All I'd like to add is that I enjoy reading this thread and I think it would be even better if you could all do it live on the Jerry Springer Show.

                          I think the added dimension of screaming, hair pulling and chair throwing would further enhance the entertainment value (for me anyway).


                                                                       
                                               
                                                                   

                           

                           

                           

                           

                                                                                                                             

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                            Jim, jim, jim.

                            #1, I have a system and it matches all my claimes. 

                            #2  I have proved my claims to many, sorry your not in the loop

                            #3  What you call a laughable challenge to visionless dude has nothing to do with the lottery, This was just a

                                   test to confirm what I already knew, just wanted to be sure.

                            #5  RL has not admitted any fallacy but I have proven vision just like you does not know what he/she thinks he/she

                                  knows so well.

                            #6 Jimmy has not been trying to help anyone......  Anyone interested in the sidestep queens taticits should read

                                 the LP news thread  Missouri Senate to discuss privatizing state lottery.  

                            #7 Jimmy still thinks that balls bouncing around inside a hopper will somehow produce a new set of numbers that

                                 did not exist before the drawing.  I can find all those same numbers in the matrix without fail.  The numbers

                                 bouncing around are nothing more then a method used to try and prove the draw is not fixed.  Some of the

                                 more advanced states use a RNG and while I guess most people in Missouri know what I am saying is true

                                 because we use a modern day RNG vs the aincent tumbler that was in use around  the same time as those

                                 who believed the world was flat.

                            #8 All of my claims of winning are from past attempts while playing in the past.   I started making scans of my

                                 tickets that I played to show proof of what I could do back before my system post was closed down.  I got

                                 a PM from a member which will go unnamed asking me not to post those ticket scans and I thought why

                                 would the leading critic of my system ask me not to post the proof of my claims in a PM while at the same

                                 time continue to tash my system?  Hmmmmmm. 

                            #9 Yes Stack, close your eves to what is going on then you will maybe be able to see things the same way as

                                  jimmy.  I wonder if this is some sort of hypnosis plan used to control your mind, Oh nooooooo. Quick stack

                                  open them eyes back up,  Stack, STACK, wake up stack, Whew! that was close.  Could of had another sombie

                                  after me. 

                            #10. Ever wonder why jimmy does not answer or try to reply to the main topics of post but has to pick on typing

                                    errors or some other meaningless part of a post that I think that most just read over.  Also notice how he

                                    uses large fonts and color codes them so that they stick out.  All this is an attempt to focus attention away

                                    from the hard questions he cannot answer or for some reason chooses not to. Hmmmmm again. 

                            #11.Jimmy like to throw up some worthless point trying to incite anger so he can lead the post in the direction

                                    he wants it to go.           

                            #12 No amount of evidence will ever suffice a person who is not willing to change what they think.  He many times

                                   ignores what the real digit system is and goes about ranting his twisted verson of what it is.  You see the 

                                   digit system is nothing more then selecting digits to play as a method to reduce the field.  He has never once

                                   addressed this staying on topic.  I ask again jimmy what are the odds of selecting the correct digits meaning

                                  if I select 5 out of 10 or 6 out of 10 when using digits 1-2-3 to begin with.  Not interested in any other long

                                  winded math statement except the odds for doing this.  Never ever has he answered this question which is

                                  what the digits system is.  Choose the correct digits and the winning set can be built from these digits.  From

                                  this point on it is a matter of filtering to reduce sets to a amount that fits my budget.   He can't  do the math 

                                  that is needed to do this and is a very good pointer for those interested. 

                            #13 This is why he continues to bash what I say trying to lead people away from his inabilities.  I could be wrong

                                   but I don't think so. . 

                             

                            #14  I say that the sets generated follow in population the sets in the matrix. 

                            Matrix percents are rounded

                            SETS WITH 5 TOTAL DIGITS = 199500  PER =  35 

                            SETS WITH 6 TOTAL DIGITS = 229473  PER =  40 

                            Actual drawings  (750)

                            SETS WITH 5 TOTAL DIGITS = 271  PER =  36  +1
                            SETS WITH 6 TOTAL DIGITS = 277  PER =  36  - 4

                            Actual drawings  (100)
                            SETS WITH 5 TOTAL DIGITS = 33  PER =  33  - 1
                            SETS WITH 6 TOTAL DIGITS = 41  PER =  41  +1 

                            Actual drawings  (60)
                            SETS WITH 5 TOTAL DIGITS = 20  PER =  34  - 1
                            SETS WITH 6 TOTAL DIGITS = 22  PER =  38  - 2 

                            I time my play to the days that I think digit totals will be 5 or 6 but do not limit myself to these days only

                            If I feel the data supports playing another value I might try to hit that also.  Since I play conditional odds

                            based on the assumption that I have predicted the number of digits that will appear in the next set this 

                            leaves me with  picking so many of the 10 digits to put into play.  If 75 percent of the sets in the matrix 

                            have 5 or 6 total digits then I believe that 75% of the draws will also have 5 or 6 digits.  Only 25% of

                            actual drawings will fall in the less then 5 or more then 6 digit range.  If as I have found from my own

                            observations that QP's don't follow this rule of having the correct population of digits vs the matrix then

                            this would mean that a QP is not quite as good as many think and explains why so many tickets are

                            needed before a JP is won.  If your QP falls into the 25% crowd and if the draws follow the matrix in 

                            population then you only have a 25% vs a 75% chance of being in the winning end of the pool.  I in 

                            no way say that the winning ticket will not came from the 25% end of the pool but I do say that only

                            25% of the draws will.  This is why I pick my own numbers using digits  and don't buy QP's.  I don't 

                            say that just because I pick my own numbers that I can somehow make the draw match my numbers

                            but i think anyone with a brain could see the points I make.  My overall system of plays is designed to

                            take advantage of this and tries to trap the lower prizes in the process.  Even a 2 of 5 wins even money

                            for my 5-39 and should be considered doing far better expected.  If you think that what I have posted

                            will win a  jackpot anytime you want to play then I think that you need a few remedial reading classes

                            and a good dictionary. Whil I do make mistakes I think that I have made my point very clear.  Some will

                            now try to cover this post with a bunch of crap to get it moved off the main burnner and shoved out of

                            sight so they can continue trying to save face.  I win much more often then I ever did picking numbers

                            or buying QP's and for this I have been the subject of attack by a few who seem to have no interest in

                            the truth.

                             

                            RL

                            "Yes Stack, close your eves to what is going on then you will maybe be able to see things the same way as jimmy.  I wonder if this is some sort of hypnosis plan used to control your mind, Oh nooooooo. Quick stack open them eyes back up,  Stack, STACK, wake up stack, Whew! that was close.  Could of had another somb after me."

                            Last Friday when a clerk asked if I wanted play MM, I said sure why not, the jackpot is over $300, give me 5 QPs. When I checked my tickets I had a real eyeopening experience when no numbers or any bonus numbers matched the winning numbers. So much for the almost even money chance of matching at least one number I had.

                            And people wonder why some players decide to choose their numbers.

                            And to Jimmy, Quick Picks are generally defined as purchased tickets and specifically by me and the PB website. We already know that RNGs can be used compare statistics. Have any more useless information?

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                              I don't know whose right or wrong here and I'm not taking sides.

                              I play my own picks and quick picks (one of each on jp games) so I guess I'd be neutral.

                              All I'd like to add is that I enjoy reading this thread and I think it would be even better if you could all do it live on the Jerry Springer Show.

                              I think the added dimension of screaming, hair pulling and chair throwing would further enhance the entertainment value (for me anyway).

                              "I play my own picks and quick picks (one of each on jp games) so I guess I'd be neutral."

                              When the jackpot is high most people probably add a few QPs to their regular play. Josephus only asked what distinguishes a system from QPs and not which was better.

                              "All I'd like to add is that I enjoy reading this thread and I think it would be even better if you could all do it live on the Jerry Springer Show."

                              You bring the beer and I'll bring the shine, popcorn and Jerry beads! Maybe Twiggs will show up and both sides will attack him when he says "luck is the only factor".

                                 
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