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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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RL-RANDOMLOGIC's avatar - usafce

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Stumpy

 

While your tootin your own horn you about how great thou are, you might want to take a look at this.  Seems

you missed this somehow.

 

Jimmy's maddog powerball challenge analysis

Poster         JP  5+0 4+1 4+0  3+1   3+0   2+1  1+1   PB  #Hits    $Won     $Equity    ROI*

Winlotta        0   4   0  140    0  1560   360 2250 2142   6456    842866    589426   3.326

 

Seems in your rush to proclaim you unfounded knowledge of LP member accomplishments that you have again

been proven wrong.  This time by one of those people who don't believe in God.  Time to step down vision or

will you continue to insist you are correct.  Maybe you can take this up with jimmy because these are his calculations. 

Winlotta seems to have a system of selecting numbers that you overlooked.   I hate to pop someones 

bubble but in your case I was kinda fun.  If it can be done even once then what would make you believe

it does not go on all around you without you even knowing.  You see I don't think that even when you are

confronted with truth that you will change your mind.  I know that it had no effect on jimmy even when it was

his own findings.   

PS. I do believe in God but I would never try to prove he exist.  What I believe is enough knowing that no matter

what I say, someone else will feel the need to prove me wrong.  Those who want to try playing digits for

themselves are welcome to, and those who think it has no advantage are welcome to believe that also but just

don't ask me to agree with you or offer proof over and over when I have already provided it with my ticket scans.

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    vision

    My tickets are very much the proof so until you can match this with your claims then. 

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    What still no proof

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    I though so.

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    You and jimmy should start dating.

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    Still waiting.......................................................

     

     

    RL

    Thanks for all the posts you've made on this thread, RL.  I don't understand yet everything I'll need to understand to try it out as a means of learning more about lotteries, but I think your posts here and elsewhere in other threads provide a sufficient amount of information to allow anyone who wants to devote the energy to understand and test, or try it, to put it to the test. 

    What's more difficult to understand is why anyone who doesn't want to go to that trouble would have strong feelings, one way or the other, about whether it works or doesn't.  Or strong opinions they'd feel the need to express more than once, allowing them to go on to other areas that interest them more.

    In fact, it's also not easy to understand the levels or venom and rancor that surface here and on other forums when anyone suggests some facet, nuance, observation or possible system they're attempting to share with anyone wishing to try it.  There's evidently a cadre of members who would far prefer that efforts along those lines and sharing those efforts be stamped out by whatever means possible through verbal abuse and rhetorical attacks directed at systems in general as well as personal attacks on those attempting to engage in exchanges of ideas.

    Maybe there's a lottery system enclosed in what they're doing.  The system being, do everything possible to inhibit, discourage, demean, insult and stifle discussion about lottery systems.

    There seems a fair possibility this thread will be shut down soon and they'll have succeeded with their system, which proves itself out in any backtesting anyone might want to do.

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      Thanks for all the posts you've made on this thread, RL.  I don't understand yet everything I'll need to understand to try it out as a means of learning more about lotteries, but I think your posts here and elsewhere in other threads provide a sufficient amount of information to allow anyone who wants to devote the energy to understand and test, or try it, to put it to the test. 

      What's more difficult to understand is why anyone who doesn't want to go to that trouble would have strong feelings, one way or the other, about whether it works or doesn't.  Or strong opinions they'd feel the need to express more than once, allowing them to go on to other areas that interest them more.

      In fact, it's also not easy to understand the levels or venom and rancor that surface here and on other forums when anyone suggests some facet, nuance, observation or possible system they're attempting to share with anyone wishing to try it.  There's evidently a cadre of members who would far prefer that efforts along those lines and sharing those efforts be stamped out by whatever means possible through verbal abuse and rhetorical attacks directed at systems in general as well as personal attacks on those attempting to engage in exchanges of ideas.

      Maybe there's a lottery system enclosed in what they're doing.  The system being, do everything possible to inhibit, discourage, demean, insult and stifle discussion about lottery systems.

      There seems a fair possibility this thread will be shut down soon and they'll have succeeded with their system, which proves itself out in any backtesting anyone might want to do.

      Josephus

      I agree,  If there was a system that could detect when a question was designed to set off an attack it would be much

      better for everyone.  Those who see a mistake could just point it out and move on.  I started a post that I enjoyed

      reading each day and was having fun until these sort of attacks began.  The same people seem to be behind most of

      them which shows there intent.  I could go the rest of my life without this.  I have a hope that Todd can find a way to

      prevent these without restricting free discussions but that would be quite hard to do.  I have started my own little war

      with these people refusing to be ran over.  I guess I need to be the adult and just refuse to stoop to this level.

      Thanks for your many unbiased post.

       

      RL

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        Stumpy

         

        While your tootin your own horn you about how great thou are, you might want to take a look at this.  Seems

        you missed this somehow.

         

        Jimmy's maddog powerball challenge analysis

        Poster         JP  5+0 4+1 4+0  3+1   3+0   2+1  1+1   PB  #Hits    $Won     $Equity    ROI*

        Winlotta        0   4   0  140    0  1560   360 2250 2142   6456    842866    589426   3.326

         

        Seems in your rush to proclaim you unfounded knowledge of LP member accomplishments that you have again

        been proven wrong.  This time by one of those people who don't believe in God.  Time to step down vision or

        will you continue to insist you are correct.  Maybe you can take this up with jimmy because these are his calculations. 

        Winlotta seems to have a system of selecting numbers that you overlooked.   I hate to pop someones 

        bubble but in your case I was kinda fun.  If it can be done even once then what would make you believe

        it does not go on all around you without you even knowing.  You see I don't think that even when you are

        confronted with truth that you will change your mind.  I know that it had no effect on jimmy even when it was

        his own findings.   

        PS. I do believe in God but I would never try to prove he exist.  What I believe is enough knowing that no matter

        what I say, someone else will feel the need to prove me wrong.  Those who want to try playing digits for

        themselves are welcome to, and those who think it has no advantage are welcome to believe that also but just

        don't ask me to agree with you or offer proof over and over when I have already provided it with my ticket scans.

        "Seems in your rush to proclaim you unfounded knowledge of LP member accomplishments that you have again been proven wrong."

        There were several people in the last two years that predicted the Quinto and pick-5 jackpot winning numbers on LP. I thought it was useless to mention this because there would be a debate that $50,000 plus jackpots aren't big enough, he was only talking about MM or PB jackpots, "prove it was a system", "prove they played the numbers", or the ignorance is bliss excuse because he didn't see the threads.

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          "Seems in your rush to proclaim you unfounded knowledge of LP member accomplishments that you have again been proven wrong."

          There were several people in the last two years that predicted the Quinto and pick-5 jackpot winning numbers on LP. I thought it was useless to mention this because there would be a debate that $50,000 plus jackpots aren't big enough, he was only talking about MM or PB jackpots, "prove it was a system", "prove they played the numbers", or the ignorance is bliss excuse because he didn't see the threads.

          stack47

          I think we system players should sort of band togeather and just ignore the attacks that we so often

          face.  I think that most system players like reading any information we can get because even if it is not

          correct and has a few errors it can often open doors we would not of seen.   LP is a great place to share

          and I think we can come to our own conclusions without critics.  I think that all system players would go

          for this and just think how much better system post would be without all the trashing. 

          RL

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            stack47

            I think we system players should sort of band togeather and just ignore the attacks that we so often

            face.  I think that most system players like reading any information we can get because even if it is not

            correct and has a few errors it can often open doors we would not of seen.   LP is a great place to share

            and I think we can come to our own conclusions without critics.  I think that all system players would go

            for this and just think how much better system post would be without all the trashing. 

            RL

            "just ignore the attacks"

            Great idea. There's a lot of good reading in some of these threads but one must manuever around the losers. As it is said 'do not feed the trolls'. 

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              Thanks for all the posts you've made on this thread, RL.  I don't understand yet everything I'll need to understand to try it out as a means of learning more about lotteries, but I think your posts here and elsewhere in other threads provide a sufficient amount of information to allow anyone who wants to devote the energy to understand and test, or try it, to put it to the test. 

              What's more difficult to understand is why anyone who doesn't want to go to that trouble would have strong feelings, one way or the other, about whether it works or doesn't.  Or strong opinions they'd feel the need to express more than once, allowing them to go on to other areas that interest them more.

              In fact, it's also not easy to understand the levels or venom and rancor that surface here and on other forums when anyone suggests some facet, nuance, observation or possible system they're attempting to share with anyone wishing to try it.  There's evidently a cadre of members who would far prefer that efforts along those lines and sharing those efforts be stamped out by whatever means possible through verbal abuse and rhetorical attacks directed at systems in general as well as personal attacks on those attempting to engage in exchanges of ideas.

              Maybe there's a lottery system enclosed in what they're doing.  The system being, do everything possible to inhibit, discourage, demean, insult and stifle discussion about lottery systems.

              There seems a fair possibility this thread will be shut down soon and they'll have succeeded with their system, which proves itself out in any backtesting anyone might want to do.

              "There seems a fair possibility this thread will be shut down soon and they'll have succeeded with their system, which proves itself out in any backtesting anyone might want to do."

              We could back test Lottery Post for similar threads and determine how many of them were shut down.

              I think you're missing part of the discussion because several posters are discussing what defines a system. Some posters have suggested repeatability and if the system has the ability to show a profit without winning the jackpot. Playing strategies were discussed and helpful to anyone considering using a system. 

              Opinions that systems are no better than QPs are valid until they become redundant. Most of us already know what to expect buying a number of QPs and maybe decided to create a system and see if we can do better with a like number of system picks. What the pessimists fail to acknowledge is that system play can't be worse than QP play based on their calculations. There are only two outcomes, either system play is better than QP play or both plays are equal.

              If people can't understand why 70% to 80% of PB jackpot winners are QPs when 70% to 80% of the ticket purchases are QPs, they shouldn't be in the Mathematics forum.

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                Stack47:  Thanks for the reply.  I haven't missed what you pointed out concerning the posts by people discussing lottery systems.  Lately I probably have missed posts by members repeatedly not discussing lottery systems because I exempted myself of taking up screen space and having to scroll through them by using the block feature

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                  stack47

                  I think we system players should sort of band togeather and just ignore the attacks that we so often

                  face.  I think that most system players like reading any information we can get because even if it is not

                  correct and has a few errors it can often open doors we would not of seen.   LP is a great place to share

                  and I think we can come to our own conclusions without critics.  I think that all system players would go

                  for this and just think how much better system post would be without all the trashing. 

                  RL

                  "I think we system players should sort of band togeather and just ignore the attacks that we so often face."

                  The majority of the attacks are just useless information.

                  I've ran out of ways saying system players already know that if they bought 10 QPs or SPs they should expect to get 1 two number match. We already knew playing the same 3 digit number in every pick-3 drawing is a bad idea and playing $3180 twice a week for a year using just 12 WBS and 4 bonus would be a terrible bet.

                  We know not all system players are members of LP so even if it's a fact no LP systems player has won a MM or PB jackpot, it's probable some of the 20% to 30% non QP jackpot winners used some type of a system. We already know for a fact at least one PB jackpot winner said he used a system so telling us it hasn't happened is incorrect and more useless information.

                  For those believing in luck, we already know that too could be a factor because when that Aussie syndicate won the Virginia Lotto by trying to buy all the possible combos, the ran out of time and failed to buy over half a million combos. One could say they were lucky too, but saying so is something we already knew and is more useless information.

                  Basically the critics keep telling us what we already knew and bombarding this and other threads with useless information.

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                    "There seems a fair possibility this thread will be shut down soon and they'll have succeeded with their system, which proves itself out in any backtesting anyone might want to do."

                    We could back test Lottery Post for similar threads and determine how many of them were shut down.

                    I think you're missing part of the discussion because several posters are discussing what defines a system. Some posters have suggested repeatability and if the system has the ability to show a profit without winning the jackpot. Playing strategies were discussed and helpful to anyone considering using a system. 

                    Opinions that systems are no better than QPs are valid until they become redundant. Most of us already know what to expect buying a number of QPs and maybe decided to create a system and see if we can do better with a like number of system picks. What the pessimists fail to acknowledge is that system play can't be worse than QP play based on their calculations. There are only two outcomes, either system play is better than QP play or both plays are equal.

                    If people can't understand why 70% to 80% of PB jackpot winners are QPs when 70% to 80% of the ticket purchases are QPs, they shouldn't be in the Mathematics forum.

                    Excellent points Stack! You are exactly right on unnecessary redundancy comparing QPs to SPs.

                    Although they never say it, simply because they can't prove it, QP believers use the QP theory in a backdoor manner to claim QPs offer a better chance of winning. Why else point out that every combination has an equal chance and then profess QPs win more? It's a head scratcher.

                    As you aptly pointed out, if 70% to 80% of the tickets sold are QPs, the expectation should be 70% to 80% of the winners will be QPs. This is expectation realized. Nothing more.

                    QB believers fail to account for the fact that over twice as many losers hold QPs. Nope. They don't want to hear that. The idea is WINNING!

                    A myriad of unsolved problems arises a system player then announces, "My SPs are optimized to produce the most number of WINS......"

                    "Well, wait a minute!" They say, "Spending $20 and making $10 is not winning!"

                    There is no accounting for the person who spent $20 on QPs and didn't win a dime, since the point they choose to make is the 'failure' of systems play.

                    Of course, this is all good and well, everyone should express their opinion without reservation. The redundancy of the same point by the same person over and over, thread after thread, gets a bit old though.

                    It's like the old clips of the Mideast wars, where people were throwing rocks at each other. When Jake and I were kids we used to laugh at those people wondering why one side just didn't collect all the rocks and end the war.

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                      Hi Rl

                      There's a chart in your old files on floridas fantasy5.

                      and update or with at the last 300 draws, if you could post

                       

                      ----loterypost/theard/214856

                          the chart is reply #30

                            Tks   TasBob


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                        Stumpy

                         

                        While your tootin your own horn you about how great thou are, you might want to take a look at this.  Seems

                        you missed this somehow.

                         

                        Jimmy's maddog powerball challenge analysis

                        Poster         JP  5+0 4+1 4+0  3+1   3+0   2+1  1+1   PB  #Hits    $Won     $Equity    ROI*

                        Winlotta        0   4   0  140    0  1560   360 2250 2142   6456    842866    589426   3.326

                         

                        Seems in your rush to proclaim you unfounded knowledge of LP member accomplishments that you have again

                        been proven wrong.  This time by one of those people who don't believe in God.  Time to step down vision or

                        will you continue to insist you are correct.  Maybe you can take this up with jimmy because these are his calculations. 

                        Winlotta seems to have a system of selecting numbers that you overlooked.   I hate to pop someones 

                        bubble but in your case I was kinda fun.  If it can be done even once then what would make you believe

                        it does not go on all around you without you even knowing.  You see I don't think that even when you are

                        confronted with truth that you will change your mind.  I know that it had no effect on jimmy even when it was

                        his own findings.   

                        PS. I do believe in God but I would never try to prove he exist.  What I believe is enough knowing that no matter

                        what I say, someone else will feel the need to prove me wrong.  Those who want to try playing digits for

                        themselves are welcome to, and those who think it has no advantage are welcome to believe that also but just

                        don't ask me to agree with you or offer proof over and over when I have already provided it with my ticket scans.

                        RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

                        You really DO believe everyone but you is stupid!

                        Fortunately, Winlotta's stats for the year were at the bottom of the alphabetical list of 137 people who participated, so I don't have to waste too much bandwidth to show that you forgot about that little matter of what the average and composite player did.

                        For some reason (which I think I know) you just won't give up trying to foist a snow job on the readers here.

                        Stay tuned...

                        --Jimmy4164

                        Click here for the full summary.

                        Poster         JP  5+0 4+1 4+0  3+1  3+0   2+1    1+1     PB   #Hits     $Won       $Equity   ROI*

                        -------------

                        Winlotta        0   4   0 140    0  1704   360   2580    2604   7392    846580       529780  2.672

                        x1kosmic        0   0   0   0    0   144   120    420    1044   1728      6660       -40860  0.140
                         
                        All (137)       0   4   0 428  432 27240  9275  64153  124791 226323  $1772590    -$6498668  0.214
                         
                           Total Ticket Costs         $8,271,258
                           Total Winnings             $1,772,590
                           Overall Gain/Loss         -$6,498,668
                         
                                                          Expected                            Actual
                          Category                #Wins             ROI*              #Wins            ROI*
                         
                          0 WB + PB              133991            0.049             124791            0.045
                          1 WB + PB               66990            0.032              64153            0.031
                          2 WB + PB               10508            0.009               9275            0.008
                          3 WB                    23037            0.019              27240            0.023
                          3 WB + PB                 606            0.007                432            0.005
                          4 WB                      435            0.005                428            0.005
                          4 WB + PB                  11.438        0.014                  0            0.000
                          5 WB                        1.610        0.039                  4            0.097
                                                                   -----                               -----
                          Total (Excl Jackpot)                     0.174                               0.214
                         
                          JACKPOT**                   0.042        0.325                  0            0.000
                         
                         
                         
                         * ROI is The Amount Won Per Dollar Spent on Tickets.
                        ** The Expected Jackpot used for this calculation is $63,476,560.
                           This is an oversimplified shortcut.
                           An In Depth discussion of Powerball Payouts can be found here:

                           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerball

                           (Note that LotteryPost.com is mentioned here!)


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                          "There seems a fair possibility this thread will be shut down soon and they'll have succeeded with their system, which proves itself out in any backtesting anyone might want to do."

                          We could back test Lottery Post for similar threads and determine how many of them were shut down.

                          I think you're missing part of the discussion because several posters are discussing what defines a system. Some posters have suggested repeatability and if the system has the ability to show a profit without winning the jackpot. Playing strategies were discussed and helpful to anyone considering using a system. 

                          Opinions that systems are no better than QPs are valid until they become redundant. Most of us already know what to expect buying a number of QPs and maybe decided to create a system and see if we can do better with a like number of system picks. What the pessimists fail to acknowledge is that system play can't be worse than QP play based on their calculations. There are only two outcomes, either system play is better than QP play or both plays are equal.

                          If people can't understand why 70% to 80% of PB jackpot winners are QPs when 70% to 80% of the ticket purchases are QPs, they shouldn't be in the Mathematics forum.

                          Stack47,

                          At least you can't say we never agree; I agree with this wholeheartedly, "If people can't understand why 70% to 80% of PB jackpot winners are QPs when 70% to 80% of the ticket purchases are QPs, they shouldn't be in the Mathematics forum."

                          --Jimmy4164

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                            vision

                            My tickets are very much the proof so until you can match this with your claims then. 

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                            What still no proof

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                            I though so.

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                            You and jimmy should start dating.

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                            Still waiting.......................................................

                             

                             

                            RL

                            laughing

                            your a couple of hits here,  a couple of hits there prove what?   that you spend too much time and expense chasing something even you can't manipulate the outcome on.

                            i don't see how people like you can even sleep at night.

                            i had a $7 winner on my last QP during the last mega millions jacked up JP.   should i pull an "RL" and claim QP's are the answer,  cuz i scored me a winner ticket?  i still have it in my wallet,  haven't cashed it in.  should i scan it and post it as "proof".

                            here is how people who tell the truth in life handle thier business.....been palying QP's for roughly 13 years.  even at $1 per drawing......i have lost WAY more money than i spent.   so for now,  my QP thing "hasn't worked".

                            sorry RL.....it's quantity over quality in this game,  and you know you cannot claim that you can draw a consistent profit out of lottery thru your so called "system".

                            your losses far exceed the "winners" you have ever posted.   that's the facts

                            one 'winner' here or there doth not make it a check mark in the game of system authenticity.

                            so,  in the game of integrity,  what you really are doing is lying,  by insinuating that a few winners you have had, are the "proof" your system does work. 

                            the real reason your not man enough to go the mano a mano route with your numbers in here pre draw,  is you know you can't demonstrate sustained consistentcy of profit over effort.

                            once people witness it in full view,  your gig is up.

                            shoot,  if you and i switched roles, and I had a system that "worked",  and someone called me out,  i would belly up to the bar and silence the critic toot suite.

                            not you though.   you blame me for being "unwilling"

                            all you can do....is continue to bloviate,  and blame me.

                            i still crack up when i remember what you said it would take you to produce those "numbers"...

                              thousands of hours

                             it's a fact,  my IQ probably wouldn't get out of the double digit range,  but your representation of yourself is so weak,  you seem to think statements like the gem above are genuine articles of faith for the rest of the intelligent minds that read your excuses.

                            goes to show you intelligence quotients can't always guarantee common sense,  or integrity for that matter

                            actually,  it gets embarrassing to watch sometimes.

                            that's my new aim in life......seeing how many people i can attach blame onto,  for things i don't want to do,  or can't do,  after i said i could.

                            if i just do that,  my popularity status will rise,  because i will then be swimming in the great wide river where most of the fishes reside.

                            no thanks...

                                        "i am .........."meant to"       

                            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                              Posted: March 31, 2011, 4:57 pm - IP Logged

                              does it really matter how many QP's "lose"?     that is a sidestep to truth of the validity of both systems or QP's

                              the plain truth is just as i have stated...

                              that in all the years LP has been operating,  not one person has demonstrated sustainability of profit over effort.

                              that's a fact

                              back to my "proof".

                              in the real world of qualification.....winning percentage is king.   and that goes with systems OR QP's.

                              so back to the standard bearer.....the 70/30 spotlight.

                              that is the truth,  and that "truth" has never moved,  or been altered by system players despite years (and thousands of hours thrown at it).

                              when you guys can move that winning percentage even back a few percentage points, then you begin  to have bragging rights.

                              right now,  your as far away from the 50/50 deal it's entirely embarrassing,  when it comes to claims, efforts and money spent.

                              complain all you want about people like me "causing trouble" in a thread like this.

                              the hard facts are there on paper,  and none of you can even move it to the 65% mark

                              that sure isn't my fault

                              it's yours for claiming you can

                                          "i am .........."meant to"       

                              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

                                 
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