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Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Apr 6, 2011
Most stores won't accept a rejected MM qp since they aren't cancel-able and are what the customer ordered. You were lucky to find a store that does.
I've never won anything buying rejects, even my own. I've purchased tickets that clerks ran twice and the other day a clerk reran some tickets that I was cashing in thinking I said "play'em again" when I actually said "cash'em in" and they lost the second time around.
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Quote: Originally posted by ameriken on Apr 6, 2011
If one ticket is no better than another ticket and they all have the same odds of winning or losing, I am curious why Jimmy would specifically buy those tickets from the clerk.
If one ticket is no better than another ticket and they all have the same odds of winning or losing.....
That's only suppose to be true before the drawing and I'm not sure it's ever true which is why I only play combinations I pick, I think their odds of winning are better than just any combinations.
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Quote: Originally posted by jimjwright on Apr 6, 2011
Sorry for the confusion in showing the draws in drawn order that is just the way that I store them. The last draw had the following white balls, 43-22-34-06-45, the ending digits would be 3-2-4-6-5, sorted they would be 2-3-4-5-6, the greyscale corresponds to that. Its been suggested that instead of picking numbers try picking digits instead. I took 1 aspect of this, the ending digits and assigned colors to them. I'm not making any claims here for or against random or for or against digit theories, I just like to represent numbers with colors for visual viewing.
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Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Apr 6, 2011
RJOh
In MO they cancel the ticket just by scanning the barcode and then press a key. The ticket is then just
worthless paper. When/if someone tried to cash it in then they would be arrested for fraud most likely.
I would say that jimmy purchased this ticket himself thinking that he is proving some sort of point. I
wonder how many he purchased to find this one.
RL
Actually, I did purchase that ticket myself.
NO, I wasn't trying to prove anything by buying it; it was my only purchase that day.
I don't usually bother looking at QP tickets till after the draw.
I was prompted to scan and post it while reading the concerns here that low coverage QPs are bad bets.
BTW, that one ticket scan doesn't prove anything other than it's possible to win with repeated numbers on the same ticket. And no, I don't feel any desire to design PP tickets that look like this one.
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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Apr 6, 2011
Ameriken,
I've seen people demand another QP when they get one like the one below. I buy them later from the clerk when he has some. JADELottery's current poll in Lottery Discussion, If you had 10 bucks to bet..., gets at this issue in a subtle way. You never know how the cookie is going to crumble. My experience has been, especially watching simulations run, is that over time, "it all comes out in the wash!"
--Jimmy4164
"I've seen people demand another QP when they get one like the one below."
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 6, 2011
"I've seen people demand another QP when they get one like the one below."
And the reason why is????????????????
Some years back during the Ohio Super Lotto era, the Ohio lottery website had a story about a woman buying a $10 QP for her office pool and after viewing it asked the store owner to cancel it and print her another one. That night after the drawing it was noticed that the winning ticket had been canceled and they investigated and did a story about it. The story was also reported on the local TV news.
I've seen people I know do the same thing and asked them if they knew what a winning ticket should look like why not make out a play slip and they say they can't tell until after it printed. That's the reason I always pick my own numbers. They may not win but every one of them look like a winner to me.
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Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Apr 6, 2011
Some years back during the Ohio Super Lotto era, the Ohio lottery website had a story about a woman buying a $10 QP for her office pool and after viewing it asked the store owner to cancel it and print her another one. That night after the drawing it was noticed that the winning ticket had been canceled and they investigated and did a story about it. The story was also reported on the local TV news.
I've seen people I know do the same thing and asked them if they knew what a winning ticket should look like why not make out a play slip and they say they can't tell until after it printed. That's the reason I always pick my own numbers. They may not win but every one of them look like a winner to me.
That "no return" policy they have on MM can be a pain too. I ran a wheel, handed the clerk the playslips that should have been $18 and she said "that will be $112". The tickets weren't even close to what was on the playslips, some but not all were for future play, and then I get accused of filling the playslips wrong.
She told me that if I didn't pay for them, she would have to; I said "good luck" and left the store. They had no problem running the same playslips in the next store.
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Quote: Originally posted by mayhem on Apr 5, 2011
Quite honestly, after spending about three months studying the lottery, I no longer think its that hard to win at least two straights a week. Just wait for whats due and go in big. Not a big deal.
trouble is....no one can predict what's "due", because ethically speaking, nothing is "due".
while it is true some numbers haven't appeared for awhile in comparison to others, still on every draw, each number has the same equal chance to appear as the next, which could mean you could get the number 7 seven times in a row, or you might not see the number 7 for seven months.
if anyone could predict past due into future profit dollars, the lottery would be broke.
no one can
the "past due" mantra is the achilles heal of lottery predictors, because everyone that thinks that, keeps manufacturing reasons why that may be true.
the only way a person *might* be able to convince anyone that past due numbers do come in "eventually", is if they had access to the algorithims of computer drawn lotteries, and may have picked up an anomoly in the program, before the programmers reprogramed the program.
which they would do, once they sensed one of "you" caught it.....sending you guys back to the prediction stone age (once again).
and ball sets? especially knowing that ball sets / machines change out, making future "due numbers" a physical impossibility.
throwing a wad of cash at an eventual guess, just makes it a more expensive guess.
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 5, 2011
"coverage, smoverage. it's bogus wishful thinking verbage, and unlike you,i can prove it pick your "2 if 2 wheel", or whatever "coverage" you think you can manufacture, and bring them front and center. until you back up your claims that your "methodology" is "better than" plain ol QP's,"
Did you miss where I said the 2 if 5 wheel is on the pick-5 abbreviated wheel page on LP?
"common sense says you can either step up and "prove it", or expend more effort (and posts) embarrassing yourself why you "can't"."
It's not my wheel or my methodology. If you want proof the wheel preforms as advertised, take that up with Todd.
Are you having a problem understanding how it's possible to use all 46 bonus balls on 46 lines?
Did you read the MM odds and payoff chart?
Do you understand why there is a 1 in 75 chance of matching the bonus number?
Do you understand a wheel is a lottery system designed to a specific thing?
The wheel uses all 56 numbers so there is no guess work and the results will always have a 2 number match and one bonus number match.
There is no reason why you can't run the wheel yourself and compare it with your 46 monopoly money QPs. It really not that complicated for anyone with a sixth grade education. Run it and show us your results; it shouldn't take a smart guy like you more that 5 minutes.
Jimmy is our resident expert on ROI and he can tell you what you should expect. And he may explain to you, if you use the same 46 lines in every drawing for the next 33 years, you'll always get a 2 number match and always match the bonus number, but you'll probably lose lots of monopoly money.
"Are you having a problem understanding how it's possible to use all 46 bonus balls on 46 lines"?
not at all.
simple enough for even a math challenged individual as myself, which is why i challenged you to bring whatever it is you have tried to sell (in any form) front and center.
you are not good at smoke screen tactics, so despite me offering you a run heads up against your 2 if 5 wheel, now because you have manufactured another excuse.....bring your "mega ball coverage" front and center.
i can go head to head with that.
and quit blaming todd. even if he created it.....YOU are the one that keeps shouting it works coupled with your arrogance, so it's your personal responsibility to prove it does.
whatever scenario your mind wanders to, still one constant of truth remains, you or anyone else cannot demonstrate that you can create even "less" of a monetary loss using a "system".
it's pure randomness, whereby i can state that my QP's stand an equal chance against what you attempt to pass in here.
including the "i can lose less with a system" contention.
youmake the statements, now back it up.
the truth about you stack, is you consistently spit out excuses
my contention has always remained constant, that QP's stand an exact equal chance at each drawing.
trouble is......i am the only one that is willing to back that up.
a man who actually looks for the truths of life, accepts them and adjusts to them as they become evident thru evidence.
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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Apr 7, 2011
"Are you having a problem understanding how it's possible to use all 46 bonus balls on 46 lines"?
not at all.
simple enough for even a math challenged individual as myself, which is why i challenged you to bring whatever it is you have tried to sell (in any form) front and center.
you are not good at smoke screen tactics, so despite me offering you a run heads up against your 2 if 5 wheel, now because you have manufactured another excuse.....bring your "mega ball coverage" front and center.
i can go head to head with that.
and quit blaming todd. even if he created it.....YOU are the one that keeps shouting it works coupled with your arrogance, so it's your personal responsibility to prove it does.
whatever scenario your mind wanders to, still one constant of truth remains, you or anyone else cannot demonstrate that you can create even "less" of a monetary loss using a "system".
it's pure randomness, whereby i can state that my QP's stand an equal chance against what you attempt to pass in here.
including the "i can lose less with a system" contention.
youmake the statements, now back it up.
the truth about you stack, is you consistently spit out excuses
my contention has always remained constant, that QP's stand an exact equal chance at each drawing.
trouble is......i am the only one that is willing to back that up.
a man who actually looks for the truths of life, accepts them and adjusts to them as they become evident thru evidence.
wishful thinkers run from that intersection
"simple enough for even a math challenged individual as myself, which is why i challenged you to bring whatever it is you have tried to sell (in any form) front and center."
You don't need my help to prove you're mathematically challenged; you're doing an excellent job on your own.
"you are not good at smoke screen tactics, so despite me offering you a run heads up against your 2 if 5 wheel, now because you have manufactured another excuse.....bring your "mega ball coverage" front and center."
Click on systems tab, scroll down to "pick-5 wheels", click that and you find the 56 number wheel at the bottom of the page. It's left of where it says "Useful for Mega Millions - 1 line per Mega Ball".
It's so easy, even a caveman can do it!
"and quit blaming todd. even if he created it.....YOU are the one that keeps shouting it works coupled with your arrogance, so it's your personal responsibility to prove it does."
If I didn't know that you randomly choose letters to form your random words and use those word to form random sentences, it would look like your saying the owner of this site published a wheel that doesn't guarantee what they say it does. And because I know for a fact, it does, it somehow becomes my responsibility.
Using your random logic all Toyota owners should sue any Toyota owner that said "My gas pedal didn't stick" or any accidental father should sue someone saying "my vasectomy is working as intended".
I already told you that if you don't believe the wheel works as intended, to check it yourself. I gave easy directions to find it.
"it's pure randomness,"
Yep, the drawings are random.
"whereby i can state that my QP's stand an equal chance against what you attempt to pass in here."
Does this statement make any more sense now than the last 10 times you made it?
"the truth about you stack, is you consistently spit out excuses"
Don't you find it odd with over 100,000 LP members and 13,856 views of this thread, you're the only one questioning how it's possible to use 46 bonus numbers on 46 lines or how it's possible to get a 2 if 5 guarantee using all 56 numbers on 46 lines?
Come back after you check out the wheel and present your findings. I looking forward to your observations why it's impossible to put 46 bonus on 46 lines and why the wheel doesn't work as intended. Next week you can tell us why you believe the earth is flat.
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 7, 2011
"simple enough for even a math challenged individual as myself, which is why i challenged you to bring whatever it is you have tried to sell (in any form) front and center."
You don't need my help to prove you're mathematically challenged; you're doing an excellent job on your own.
"you are not good at smoke screen tactics, so despite me offering you a run heads up against your 2 if 5 wheel, now because you have manufactured another excuse.....bring your "mega ball coverage" front and center."
Click on systems tab, scroll down to "pick-5 wheels", click that and you find the 56 number wheel at the bottom of the page. It's left of where it says "Useful for Mega Millions - 1 line per Mega Ball".
It's so easy, even a caveman can do it!
"and quit blaming todd. even if he created it.....YOU are the one that keeps shouting it works coupled with your arrogance, so it's your personal responsibility to prove it does."
If I didn't know that you randomly choose letters to form your random words and use those word to form random sentences, it would look like your saying the owner of this site published a wheel that doesn't guarantee what they say it does. And because I know for a fact, it does, it somehow becomes my responsibility.
Using your random logic all Toyota owners should sue any Toyota owner that said "My gas pedal didn't stick" or any accidental father should sue someone saying "my vasectomy is working as intended".
I already told you that if you don't believe the wheel works as intended, to check it yourself. I gave easy directions to find it.
"it's pure randomness,"
Yep, the drawings are random.
"whereby i can state that my QP's stand an equal chance against what you attempt to pass in here."
Does this statement make any more sense now than the last 10 times you made it?
"the truth about you stack, is you consistently spit out excuses"
Don't you find it odd with over 100,000 LP members and 13,856 views of this thread, you're the only one questioning how it's possible to use 46 bonus numbers on 46 lines or how it's possible to get a 2 if 5 guarantee using all 56 numbers on 46 lines?
Come back after you check out the wheel and present your findings. I looking forward to your observations why it's impossible to put 46 bonus on 46 lines and why the wheel doesn't work as intended. Next week you can tell us why you believe the earth is flat.
"it would look like your saying the owner of this site published a wheel that doesn't guarantee what they say it does. And because I know for a fact, it does, it somehow becomes my responsibility".
when you state "i know for a fact it does", it became your responsibility once you claimed it did.
what solidified your responsibility to back up your claim, was when you went the arrogance trash talking route.
as you can tell, i don't "challenge" everyone that throws out insinuations such as you did, just the ones that think they can talk trash without the ability to back it up.
you made the arrogant based claim, so back it up.
your current excuse for avoiding a head to head -------> is having me click somewhere to investigate it.
go click on it, do whatever you need to do because it's not my concern "how" it works, only that it does, and that's your responsibility to demonstrate it does.
"Don't you find it odd with over 100,000 LP members and 13,856 views of this thread, you're the only one questioning how it's possible to use 46 bonus numbers on 46 lines or how it's possible to get a 2 if 5 guarantee using all 56 numbers on 46 lines?"
not at all. i am used to playing the lone ranger in here. doesn't sway me a stitch
btw, i might be the only one willing to demonstrate it (or any other methodology) cannot create an edge over randomness, because remember.....i narrowed my "concern" about the "2 if 5 guarantee" that it sells the notion you will "lose less" in the lottery.
don't you find it odd that with over 100,000 members and 13,856 views and 9 years that i can never find one personthat will go head to head with me, whenever i challenge their "arrogant claim"?
you see stack, if someone really had something.....they would have shut me up a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago.
shouldn't be hard to do, with the probable thousands of "successful systems" talk about in here.
everytime i do this with people like you, they stay only as long as their imaginations allow them the ability to manufacture excuses.
given the 100,000/13,856 rule, i would think you would be licking your chops staring at LP infamy.
you never will, because you are incapable of backing up something you state as being "true", and try as you like, you can never blame others when you don't.........but you will continue to try and do so.
do your own personal footwork.
i am not lifting a finger with any more effort than a "click" on the LP RNG.
that bare minimum effort is enough to bring any "system" in here to it's randomness knee's, in the real world of reality.
against you.....my english and math is more than sufficient
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visiondude,
Here's a guy offering $30,000 to anyone willing to put up $3000 and beat the house at roulette, and he's getting no takers! Now, given that the house edge is only around 5%, depending on casino rules, don't you think maybe we're being a little too tough on these guys here? They have to overcome a 50% house edge!