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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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ameriken's avatar - 33ojew2
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Posted: March 27, 2011, 11:42 am - IP Logged

One system advocate here hitting one jackpot would back you up but it hasn't happened yet.

Considering the number of members of this board, the number of drawings gone by, and the number of tickets played, it should have happened already. So where is it?

Anyone discussing anything to do with any form of gambling that negates the LUCK FACTOR has no credibility.

Coin Toss, perhaps you could be right that it hasn't happened, however how would anyone know whether it has or hasn't?

Assuming that you personally use some kind of system to pick numbers, if you win a major jackpot are you going to make a public announcement here on LP and then proceed to tell us about your system and exactly how you arrived at the winning set of numbers?

My point being, that it could be very likely that several LP members have already won JP's, but for some reason, I highly doubt that any of those winners simply will not come on here and advertise to the world with a new thread titled "How I won last nights Powerball drawing" or "My system for winning $5.5 million in the [state] lottery".

In fact, if winners did do that, it wouldn't matter because most members here might assume they are lying about winning.

    RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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    Coin Toss, perhaps you could be right that it hasn't happened, however how would anyone know whether it has or hasn't?

    Assuming that you personally use some kind of system to pick numbers, if you win a major jackpot are you going to make a public announcement here on LP and then proceed to tell us about your system and exactly how you arrived at the winning set of numbers?

    My point being, that it could be very likely that several LP members have already won JP's, but for some reason, I highly doubt that any of those winners simply will not come on here and advertise to the world with a new thread titled "How I won last nights Powerball drawing" or "My system for winning $5.5 million in the [state] lottery".

    In fact, if winners did do that, it wouldn't matter because most members here might assume they are lying about winning.

    Pumpi76 has made many posts about how a player can win million$ playing the lotteries.  His posts become less credible every time he post.  Some times it's better not to post and thought uncredible than to post and remove all doubt.

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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      garyo1954:  I hadn't noticed we have membership numbers nor that the numbers and dates of becoming members reflect anything.  An obliquely unsettling piece of information considering the types of posts made and the durations of memberships of those making them.

      I like your suggestion about a QP forum..  Those RNG machines at the outlet stores are each a microcosm of a lottery.  Quickpickers could exchange all kinds of suggestions about where and when the best quickpicks could be purchased.

      I'm fascinated by the lady multiple jackpot winner living in Nevada, but who won her jackpots in Texas, one from the lotto, others from scratchers.  It's her PHD in math that fascinates me.

      The news articles have offered enough details of what she was doing, along with what she was trying to do and they didn't allow it done, along with room to speculate what she might do anyway, to give a person pause for thought.

      I wouldn't be surprised to learn she was a previous, possibly current LP member.

      LOL....Josephus, don't let the number of posts fool you. People with big number of posts are shooting the breeze, making jokes, or spending more time talking about winning the lottery, or how one can't win the lottery, than working on a method.

      Others come here to shake the trees and inspect the coconuts that fall.

      Quantity does not equal quality.

      You have to hope no one has bad intent in their visitation, but you never know. Just look at the REPORT SCAM/SPAM button in your PM box. There is a reason it is there.

      If it weren't CT, and us knowing what a joker CT is, the whole "nobody here has ever won" rhetoric, would set off red flags.  If a new member did it, 50% of the posters here would assume they were testing to the water, looking for information, money, or to offer a marriage proposal! LOL

        ameriken's avatar - 33ojew2
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        Posted: March 27, 2011, 12:17 pm - IP Logged

        Pumpi76 has made many posts about how a player can win million$ playing the lotteries.  His posts become less credible every time he post.  Some times it's better not to post and thought uncredible than to post and remove all doubt.

        I agree. And I've often wondered if he is actually serious about those 'methods' or just joking around.

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          Posted: March 27, 2011, 12:18 pm - IP Logged

          One system advocate here hitting one jackpot would back you up but it hasn't happened yet.

          Considering the number of members of this board, the number of drawings gone by, and the number of tickets played, it should have happened already. So where is it?

          Anyone discussing anything to do with any form of gambling that negates the LUCK FACTOR has no credibility.

          "One system advocate here hitting one jackpot would back you up but it hasn't happened yet."

          Before we decide "no system has hit a jackpot" we have to know which game jackpot they were trying to hit. There is a huge difference between trying to create a system to win the $10 million plus jackpots in state Lottos, MM, and PB games than trying to create a pick-3 system with a $500 jackpot. Players decide the amount of their pick-3 and pick-4 jackpots based on their wagers.

          But if we're talking about just the Lotto, MM, and PB jackpots, I have to agree with you.

          "Anyone discussing anything to do with any form of gambling that negates the LUCK FACTOR has no credibility."

          I personally know a guy that hit a $100,000 jackpot in a 5/37 game using a system, but because of the way his system was designed, getting lucky was also involved. His system was base on using 3 key numbers and pairing the other 34 numbers in 17 combinations. One could also say his system was more designed to show a profit by matching 2 of the 3 key numbers and hitting the jackpot when he matched all 3 numbers was a pleasant side affect. Or they could say even matching 3 of his numbers was pure luck.

          I really can't answer what distinguishes a system from guesses because most systems I've seen require "educated" guesses. I have program that uses filters and it's possible to filter an entire 14 million combination 6/49 Lotto game down to under 50 combos but each filter used is still a guess.

          Isn't any type of filter without a 100% win guarantee a guess?

            mayhem's avatar - 142g5yd
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            Posted: March 27, 2011, 12:19 pm - IP Logged

            """In lottery terms, making enough money to be profitable can come long before "cracking the code". """

             

            In other words, who cares about a jackpot when winning one isn't the only way to be profitable. What use is common sense if you don't spend it? Blue Thinking (yes I know that only works when said out loud) 

             

            Pick3 is where the money is at. I'll never play a pick 5 or greater lotto and I'll never win one. That makes me just like everyone else here at LP (so far)...exept I'm not spending any money on it.

            How you do anything is how you do everything.

              lotterybraker's avatar - pyramid
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              Posted: March 27, 2011, 12:39 pm - IP Logged

              yall just wait..I already made one video that I was going to release to the FBI or any news agency that would be interested in it..and I can swear to our HEAVENLY ALMIGHTY FATHER that I  have made a video so I dont have to worry about getting struck by Gods wrath for lieing...

               

              But it was made with an old camera that did not record well..oneday I am going to buy me a new camera maybe one for my computer and make a video to post on  YOUTUBE or someting to show everyone EXACTLY how they can cheat you...

               

              and to QUOTE THE FBI AGAIN!!!!!.."If you have found something that you know is illegal..then you should tell the public so THE STATES WILL GET WHAT THEY DESERVE"..because I was told by the FBI they could not do anything unless proof was presented that they were MORE OR LESS DOCTORING THE BALLS..ie, make some heavier or lighter etc...and then I was given a refresher course in 8th grade constitutional law..ALL POWERS SPECIFICALLY NOT GIVEN TO THE FEDERAL GOV. ARE DELEGATED TO THE STATES..this is why STATES can control GAMBLING in their state..

               

              Many,Many years ago..when I discovered my code I use to go through the past..I never could quite understand onething..it always gave me what I was looking for in the short term ie 2-5 weeks which is quite good considering how many variables that are running..but I never could find out WHY it would bounce around so much..UNTIL that magical day I joined LP and shortly after that I read on here someone talking about predraws and I asked them what...what is predraws..and they began to tell me that the lotteries have predraws before they have the paying draw " TO TEST THE MACHINES THEY SAID"...hahahahaha..and BINGO..that was  the answer that I was missing..they were changing the order and time of the future by taking out all of those combos that they dont pay people for which in turn..WAS SCREWING UP MY RUNS...

              and I will say it ONE MORE TIME..IF YOU USE PAST DATA to try and win the lottery and you think those pretest draws are NOT EFFECTING THE OUTCOME , I think you might want to try another area of study to stimulate your mind because apparently this is way over your head!!!!!1

              "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                 .... nevermind, I'm not going to finish that thought.  My credibility would suffer in the eyes of so many from whom I hunger for respect.

                Go ahead and express your thoughts knowing that unless you've won a jackpot, nothing you post is creditable.

                RJOH:  Creditability isn't among my intended virtues.  I admire yours but I don't envy it. 

                 

                I'm here for fun, for several of the site features, and to read posts on some of the forums.  Ideas inspire me and energize me.  The posts of many of those I admire less than I admire you sometimes still give me ideas without arousing a need to have them change themselves in any way.  If I had to choose between the fun I have here and the ideas I paid for a membership to access I'm not sure which I'd give up.

                Maybe I'd buy a quickpick.


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                  The forums here exist in a hope that some means of predicting future lottery draws is possible.  Within those forums the threads split off into groupings concerning statistical approaches, results of past draws, math calculations and countless other and sometimes undefined methods.

                  If a successful lottery system showed itself on one of those forums how would success be defined?  Would an occasional accurate prediction qualify it as successful?  Would the 'system' need to be subject to replication from one lottery to another?  One draw to another?

                  Suppose the system backtested so accurately that every past draw could be accurately predicted but the system was incapable of predicting future draws.  Could that system be described as successful?

                  Based on the last dozen or so posts here it appears that many people believe that all it will take is one person to win a jackpot with numbers selected using a "System" to conclude, logically I presume, that system play has been verified, and all those who claim the lottery is a game based on randomness might just as well pack their bags and leave town.

                  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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                    Based on the last dozen or so posts here it appears that many people believe that all it will take is one person to win a jackpot with numbers selected using a "System" to conclude, logically I presume, that system play has been verified, and all those who claim the lottery is a game based on randomness might just as well pack their bags and leave town.

                    Please correct me if I'm wrong.

                    Jimmie:  The last dozen posts are the last dozen posts and don't represent a statistically significant percentage of the membership in general, nor of the posters on the Math Forum.  I don't claim to know what would verify or repudiate in each of their minds that the lottery is a game based on randomness or isn't.  No consensus among them has been statistically tested and verified to offer a set of criteria you might base your presumption on.

                    But I'd be interested in reading a post by you explaining when and why what "many people believe" came to carries a value in your perception of reality sufficient to cause you to consider packing your bags and leaving town?

                    Please don't misread this post to interprete as a suggestion that you pack your bags and leave town.

                      garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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                      Based on the last dozen or so posts here it appears that many people believe that all it will take is one person to win a jackpot with numbers selected using a "System" to conclude, logically I presume, that system play has been verified, and all those who claim the lottery is a game based on randomness might just as well pack their bags and leave town.

                      Please correct me if I'm wrong.

                      For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction.

                      The intital action was the QP vs PP statement.

                      The reaction, from those who believe in their systems, was in a sense, "When my system wins, I'll let you know."

                      BTW, Gail Howard's site claims $103+ million in documented winnings. Therein lies the rub.

                        lotterybraker's avatar - pyramid
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                        Jimmy ..a TRUE SYSTEM will alow you to go to any state..win pic 3, pic 4, or pic 5..but what is the biggest problem...TIME

                        in the pic 3 all 1000 combinations will usually show in 9-14 years..all 1000 present and accounted for..

                        The pic 4..has 10,000 combinations..you can start playing at 18 and live to be 100 and stll not see every pic 4 combination between 0000-9999.

                        Now the pic 5..a good 50,000 + combinations..a person willl not see all of them in 500 years

                        what every system MUST DO..it must cut into those VERY LONG TIME FIELDS and you still have to wait..if you find the most poular VARIABLE in any game and stay playing just that variable, ie 3odd 2 even, 3 even 2 odd, all odd or all even..that will increase your chance to hit a jackpot..

                        DO NOT EVER LET ANYONE TELL YOU that they will be able to win a jackpot and a jackpot and a jackpot and a jackpot and a jackpot and a jackpot going to draw to draw because that will never happen my friend..

                        and I will tell you one more thing also...The lottery officials are MORE AFRAID of system players that will continue to play SAY IN A CERTAIN AREA than they are of people who change their numbers out on a nightly basis or weekly basis..the lottery absolutely loves these people because they PRATICALLY HAVE NO CHANCE..they would do just as good as taking some numbers off a car tag...!!!!1

                        "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                          Pumpi76 has made many posts about how a player can win million$ playing the lotteries.  His posts become less credible every time he post.  Some times it's better not to post and thought uncredible than to post and remove all doubt.

                          I'm jealous of Pumpi because I believe he/she might be the only person using this site having more fun doing it than I am.  Whether he's serious or not, he's clearly an intelligent person.  Intelligent enough to know whether his posts are a magnet for serious, considered replies.  Intelligent enough to judge whether anything he offers in a post can be completed, tested, verified.

                          Intelligent enough to know his own motives for posting and decide whether to post anyway.

                          I've intended to place Pumpi on my list of favorites, but it slipped my mind.  I probably have missed a lot of his/her posts.

                          I'll go do that.

                            ameriken's avatar - 33ojew2
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                            RJOH:  Creditability isn't among my intended virtues.  I admire yours but I don't envy it. 

                             

                            I'm here for fun, for several of the site features, and to read posts on some of the forums.  Ideas inspire me and energize me.  The posts of many of those I admire less than I admire you sometimes still give me ideas without arousing a need to have them change themselves in any way.  If I had to choose between the fun I have here and the ideas I paid for a membership to access I'm not sure which I'd give up.

                            Maybe I'd buy a quickpick.

                            "Creditability isn't among my intended virtues."

                            JM, are you referring to 'credibility' or 'creditability'?

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                              Posted: March 27, 2011, 1:20 pm - IP Logged

                              Pumpi76 has made many posts about how a player can win million$ playing the lotteries.  His posts become less credible every time he post.  Some times it's better not to post and thought uncredible than to post and remove all doubt.

                              At least Pumpi isn't trying to sell us a system. I always raise an eyebrow when someone says they bought Player's, Gail Howard, Lustig or someone elses system and ask if anyone had success using them. It's either they are tauting the system or they want us to buy it and explain to them how it works.

                              With Pumpi it's more like matter of fact than an actual money making system. "If you know what the bonus number will be, you can make $500 million a year playing PB or MM". Without any method or system to know which bonus number will be drawn in every drawing, one could say it's useless information.

                                 
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