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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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Wow! I leave for a nice lunch and the firecrackers come out!

FIRST, let me be very clear, on the asinine statement that I 'kinda/sorta insulted Todd.'

This site is ONE small blip of the internet, and most certainly Todd is aware of the pitfalls, the scammers, spammers and con artists who use the internet to find victims. Whatever securities Todd has in place are with good reason. The improvements Todd has made over the years, and the precautions he continues to make are with good reason.

THERE WAS NO INTENT TO INSULT THIS SITE, OR TODD, IN ANYTHING I SAID. And anything you misread is your personal misconception. Noting you used the term "extract personal information" leads me to believe you are, perhaps, more aware than you care to admit.

Two years ago the Dallas Cowboys Forum was literally wiped out by, what was thought, a rival team fan obliterating member records. Members had to sign up again. At the ABC forum, a forum for fans to discuss television shows no less, an individual obtained and POSTED, names, addresses and phone numbers of some of its members. Yahoo? Service interrupted by hackers. Google? Service interrupted by hackers. Credit card companies. Been hacked. Use that common sense. 

A couple of months ago there was a post here where a guy learned a friend's family was getting a new home and checked the state lottery winners suspecting they had won a considerable amount of money. With some states posting your info on the internet, it isn't like someone would have to search terribly hard (unless they live in another country). You can read the News fo about the Mexican national stalking $27 million winners in Montreal; or the lottery winner being buried in concrete.

As for the rest of your post, the only thing you can say with any degree of certainty is there has been no verifiable jackpot winner. There are plenty of winners posted in the Post Your Winning Ticket Here thread in Discussion fo.

Sheesh. I had a great time at lunch. Ended up picking up a hitchhiker who had vehicle trouble and taking him home. He may be an LP member too, but I'm not telling him if I win a jackpot.

good,  you actually got my point.

melodramatic as it was,  i needed you to see that wasn't a valid reason.

of course it was rediculous for you  to make the claim that the reason no one has in here,  is because LP isn't anonymous enough.

that's a bogus play,  considering there are so many more ways a JP winner can become "discoverable".

thru the states records.  relatives and friends come to know eventually.    on and on and on 

the last on the worry list in common sense land is people from LP coming after me. 

LP is "secure enough" to hide anonymity,  that is unless the claimaint decides to start revealing more personal info then they should. 

if i won,  and i posted my JP win,  all you could do is track down the city / state i won in,  and my name (if the state i won in demanded that info). 

other than that,  bupkiss.

the point i was making is the long list of excuses "why" people don't prove systems work

truth is,  i don't even think todd uses verifiable addresses / names of the members here. 

 so you see,  any JP "winner" can create as an anonymous persona as they want.  don't most JP winners move to a different locale than the one in which they bagged their win?     

see,  that's way off.

remember what i said,  that pick 3 players sure don't have anything to fear.       see any of "those people" on LP ?

ahh nope

            "i am .........."meant to"       

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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    A lottery system to me is that shows results in any play week at least 3 to 4 hits a week and the system must tell you when to play or not to keep you're game cost down. The system must generate a combination of hits from straights and box with a minimum of number sets to play . The system can not have a large game history the sets drawn are irrevialent to future game play (Only with in the last 50 to 75 past draws matter) . The system must be able to be used in all games of pick 3 , pick 4 , pick 5 , keno , 2 by 2 , lotto , power ball and mega- millions and its possible to even cross the system over into horse racing . The system must be able to track games that have the bonus balls .. 

      Keep the system simple .... 

                                            CajunWin4

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      ameriken,

      "Coin Toss, perhaps you could be right that it hasn't happened, however how would anyone know whether it has or hasn't?"

      There is someone here who won a Pick 5 twice but that was a while ago and that person is not a "boaster".

      Considering the animosity here for anything that smacks of luck, or quick picks, and the penchant some people have for posting dozens and dozens of predictions, and that some can't stand passing up saying, "The next big jackpot is MINE!" (thus kinxing themselves?) I don't think some here could hit large and not brag. They couldn't stand it.

      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

      Lep

      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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        I guess it depends on the game and how much the person plays per draw when it comes to deciding whether or not their system is successful. A person who has a system for a jackpot game(Pick 6, Powerball, Mega Millions) would really only need to win once because hey, we're talking about millions of dollars. Their return was very large. We're talking retirement large. They wouldn't need to continue playing and they wouldn't care about proving to anyone it works because when they one the first time, they were out to benefit themselves, and that's exactly what they did. The ultimate judge on whether or not your system is successful is yourself.

        Gonna win.Big Smile

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          I guess it depends on the game and how much the person plays per draw when it comes to deciding whether or not their system is successful. A person who has a system for a jackpot game(Pick 6, Powerball, Mega Millions) would really only need to win once because hey, we're talking about millions of dollars. Their return was very large. We're talking retirement large. They wouldn't need to continue playing and they wouldn't care about proving to anyone it works because when they one the first time, they were out to benefit themselves, and that's exactly what they did. The ultimate judge on whether or not your system is successful is yourself.

          "The ultimate judge on whether or not your system is successful is yourself."

          I don't think that is correct.   Winning one time regardless of the size of the win doesn't mean anything. 

          If a person plays QPs, he can only win with a quick pick.  Most people equate QPs with luck.  So, people that win using QPs are lucky if they cash a ticket.  If a person plays with a system, they can't tell if the system worked or if it was just luck.  In fact if they only win once, it is more probable that it was luck and not the system.

          They may not care to prove it to someone, that is irrelevant.  They may not need to continue playing, that is irrelevant.  They got the benefit but that also doesn't mean it was the system that worked. 

          You might believe your system won but you'd be lying to yourself (and others) if you claimed your system worked with only one win.  You can't be the ultimate judge by just believing.  Just believing means nothing.   It has to be repeatable, or it isn't a system, by definition and by standards already established.  You can't claim it is a system unless it is repeatable by others as well as yourself.  Does not mean you are forced to give it to others but it has to meet those criteria.

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            history bears out the truth about what "works" within a specific pursuit about the lottery,  and so far after personal observation of 9 years plus of watching the most talented minds postulate daily that they canno one has.  

             like i have stated before many times over - not even with any consistentcy in a 3 number game,  let alone run amok JP odds.

            if it could be done,  it would have been accomplished right here,  and it hasn't.  so long as the drawings have integrity,  they never will.

            given the latest JP binge,  it got my common sense wheels a thunkin again about the ....."well 70% of the purchases are QP's,  so yeah,  that's why so many JP's are won by QP's".....etc.

            which leads to my latest / greatest dismissal via common sense of that non fact,  is that what makes it even more glaringly obvious,  is that if system picks really worked,  they would over take that "70%" like a speeding bullet.

            the fact that it remains a 70/30 split tells anyone with common sense  it's pure random, and there is no way to create an edge via any methodology.

            history and common sense.  excellant traveling companions on the way to truthville...

            visiondude

            You need to clean your specs.  Your logic is flawed and the fact that jimmy agrees just proves this. 

            First one must know what percent of SP's are true system plays and not birthdays, dream numbers

            road signs, license plates, coin flipping, dice rolling, rocky mountain highs, legs on a table, clouds,

            in th sky, turns of a jack in a box, remote viewing, barcodes, handed down by God, delivered by angles, 

            and eeny meeny miney mo just to name a few.   Just look at jimmy's maddog challenge analysis to see

            what even he can't see.  A few are making out like bandits while others are left holding door.   Too make

            assumptions biased on ones own thoughts is shortsided.   Very few overall really tackle system play

            at the level needed to produces results.  There are professionals that exist in every field I know of, consider 

            the bass masters, anyone can fish but very few can catch trophys day in day out.  I like archery and

            many years ago we had a challenge between the local PD and archers.  The PD team shot sidearms

            and we shot arrows.  The best shots from each shot a range of targets and to make a long story short

            the PD had no idea how advanced archery had become.   

            With only a few systems performing at levels better then the odds would suggest unless you tracked 

            those systems alone and for a year or so it would be very unlikely that they could be detected using 

            any data gotten from a lottery website.  This is the problem when appliying statistics to the lottery.

            Unless a  system is capable of hitting JP's very often then at best a small SD would be all that was

            needed to explain it away.  Find me the data that shows all hits for true system play for all prize levels

            verses QP's and I will be the first to accept it but until then the 70/30 rule is irrelevant because it is

            incomplete. 

            I was beginning to think that this would be a good post until all the "you can't do it" crowd started

            showing up.  System players know what you think and why you think it but they want to try finding

            something that might help.  The YCDI'S  however for some reason can't stand letting them try. 

            Jimmy is not going to stop until he reaches top LP poster of all time with what anyone with web

            access can get by viewing the lottery homepage.  Maybe someday the state lotteries will include

            on the home page a section on Self Picks and system play but until then I guess I will have to endure

            the attacks. 

            I don't know it all but guess what, no one does.  Each time I learn something new It  just shows me 

            how far I have to go.  I use to get so many PM's from people who would not post because of the 

            negitive replies they though it would receive.   So much good information is suppressed and cast aside

            and may never see the light of day because of fear of rejection.   Suffer the little children and forbid

            them not.   The implications could be catastrophic when compared to spending a few extra bucks on a

            method that may or may not work.

            RL


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              Jimmy:  Every thread on the lottery systems, Pick 3, Pick 4, Pick 5, Jackpots, and probably some others involves attempts by individuals to understand the universe better, whether they believe they're doing it to exploit monetary rewards by winning, or whether they're doing it for some other reason including mine.  I'm aware of at least one other member who rarely plays the lottery but who has made a 20 year study of them and posts regularly on one of the forums about what she's found to be true in her studies.  She's well respected by those who consistently read her posts and threads.  Which is more than I'd say for those of yours I've encountered anywhere on this site.

              This thread is about what a lottery system would be if one exists, can exist.  Differing views of what defines a lottery system have been expressed by a lot of members as intelligent, well educated, adept with computers and determined in whatever they are about as you are in whatever you believe you are about.

              But underlying everything contained in whatever a lottery system is if such a thing exists, is a better understanding of the universe.  Maybe only a single facet of the universe, but nevertheless, a better understanding.

              If no such system exists the result will possibly still be a better understanding of the universe, but a different understanding.

              There is nothing in your history of posts I've bothered to read suggesting you see yourself as not already having a thorough understanding of everything involving lotteries.

              What you actually have is a body of material produced by people other than yourself accepted by your peer group as the final answer, repeated backward and forward to one another within your own severely boundaried community, generation after generation, none of whom has had an original thought since you attended your first class somewhere and came home with an A.  From that point forward all you had to do was memorize and produce as a mantra the work of people who did original work and thinking, but almost certainly knew they didn't have the final answers to anything.

              That is a human tragedy.  Somewhere under all those layers of concrete and armor there's probably still a seed of the original intelligence that produced the demon in the form of an A on a grade sheet.

              Oh Joey!

              I was surprised when you mentioned trying to transfer your email address to RL-RANDOMLOGIC through the LP PM system.  My 2nd guess for what you're about here was writer/editor/advisor for poor RL.  It still is plausible, but it really doesn't matter.  You've made enough subtle attacks on me during your short tenure here that it's clear you definitely have a "problem" with Jimmy4164.   Regardless of your motives, you're not as astute as you think you are in your assessment of people, and I'm not going to help you understand why.

              Your esoteric, mystical, and prosaic approach to technical matters and dismissal of the traditional approaches which employ the scientific method and build on earlier knowledge and discoveries embarrassingly call into question your credibility.  And your attempts to denigrate me may endear you to some, but not all of the readers here.

              You confusingly said,"There is nothing in your history of posts I've bothered to read suggesting you see yourself as not already having a thorough understanding of everything involving lotteries."

              You really like double negatives don't you?  The knowledge required to understand lotteries relative to most scientific areas is trivial.  You may wear the crown. 

              When you go on about the reasons people study lotteries and add "...for some other reason including mine," I'm prompted to ask, JUST WHAT IS YOUR REASON?  You've alluded to an unspoken agenda, but nowhere have I found it.  My agenda is clear, and was stated in my early posts.  I think it is good for people to play the lotteries for entertainment, and to the extent they can afford it, risk some of their money on the chance of winning a jackpot.  I do NOT want them to have FALSE HOPES, causing them to spend more than they can afford, often at the expense of their families.  Other than to try to discredit what I say here, WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE?

              Regardless of your answers to these questions, you will have no credibility in my mind, and to other's I'm aware of here, until you seriously address the legitimate questions prompted by your prose.  A good start would be to clarify which TX Lottery results you REALLY believe are somehow related to a Double Helix.

              When you come up with "a better understanding of the universe" I really think you should present it to not one, but several scholarly journals for review.  If you discover the Holy Grail of lottery systems in the process, perhaps you can incorporate the two.  Be careful submitting to Wikipedia; they're known for being pretty tough on people with "alternative" scientific theories.

              Your summary of me, one made after such a short acquaintance, bears repeating.

              "That is a human tragedy.  Somewhere under all those layers of concrete and armor there's probably still a seed of the original intelligence that produced the demon in the form of an A on a grade sheet."

              My oh my Joey!  For someone who has admittedly found little reason to read most of my posts, you reveal such angst that I worry what the future holds for you!  Maybe you're the Joey I remember who always resented my A, especially when he got a B.

              Now, perhaps you can dazzle us with expressions of your seeds of "original intelligence," the ones I'm sure you're sure you possess in abundance.

              --Jimmy4164

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                "The ultimate judge on whether or not your system is successful is yourself."

                I don't think that is correct.   Winning one time regardless of the size of the win doesn't mean anything. 

                If a person plays QPs, he can only win with a quick pick.  Most people equate QPs with luck.  So, people that win using QPs are lucky if they cash a ticket.  If a person plays with a system, they can't tell if the system worked or if it was just luck.  In fact if they only win once, it is more probable that it was luck and not the system.

                They may not care to prove it to someone, that is irrelevant.  They may not need to continue playing, that is irrelevant.  They got the benefit but that also doesn't mean it was the system that worked. 

                You might believe your system won but you'd be lying to yourself (and others) if you claimed your system worked with only one win.  You can't be the ultimate judge by just believing.  Just believing means nothing.   It has to be repeatable, or it isn't a system, by definition and by standards already established.  You can't claim it is a system unless it is repeatable by others as well as yourself.  Does not mean you are forced to give it to others but it has to meet those criteria.

                truecritic

                The only way to evaluate a system is to see how many of your inputs were correct.  A jackpot win

                means nothing because it could be just a chance event.   Lets say that I need to input 8 variables

                into my software which if correct will hit the JP.  Lets say again that after every draw I check the eight

                settings to see how many I got correct.

                If using my methods I manage only the expected correct choices then it could be considered that my

                methods are no better then chance.  However if I select correctly 85% or more correctly on a day to 

                day play then I conclude my method / system is doing far better then chance regardless of the lines

                or prizes produced.

                I play on paper almost everyday meaning that I set the program using what I believe will hit.  After 

                the draw I update the database and click check.  I can then check every setting I used for that day

                and know how close I came.  Many days I miss one setting by as little as 1 point which means that

                one click of the mouse was all that was between me and a JP.   

                I am sorry if some can't understand this while others can't believe it but It is not uncommon for me

                to hit 85% and above day to day.   No one in this world will every convince me that it can't be done. I

                have hit 2ea 5 of 5's in the last couple weeks.  One took 108 lines and the other 100,  One of the big

                gaps between jimmy and myself is that all his calculations are based on the return in wins vs loses

                I don't rate my system by this at all but by how many of my choices I choose correctly.  If I looked 

                only at the winning tickets how would I ever improve my play.  If a setting proves too hard to predict

                then I search for a replacement.  I change options on my software at least monthly.  I switch play 

                tactics almost as often as I change my undies.  It has taken much thought to produce a system that

                allows for winning smaller prizes when my main selections are incorrect.  Using wins to evaluate a

                system will never produce a winning system and if a draw can't be replicated then you have no means

                to tweek it.  A very good system could go a very long time without a win so before anyone discards

                anything they should know why it is not winning and try to make adjustments.  I have been making

                adjustments for many many years.  The odds of the game mean nothing to me only the odd of me

                hitting my settings.  If I hit my settings then I hit the JP.

                 

                RL 

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                  A lottery system to me is that shows results in any play week at least 3 to 4 hits a week and the system must tell you when to play or not to keep you're game cost down. The system must generate a combination of hits from straights and box with a minimum of number sets to play . The system can not have a large game history the sets drawn are irrevialent to future game play (Only with in the last 50 to 75 past draws matter) . The system must be able to be used in all games of pick 3 , pick 4 , pick 5 , keno , 2 by 2 , lotto , power ball and mega- millions and its possible to even cross the system over into horse racing . The system must be able to track games that have the bonus balls .. 

                    Keep the system simple .... 

                                                          CajunWin4

                  I can agree that a system such as you describe would be desirable.  I can also agree that you can very likely devise a system that will work in horse racing. (Check out Trackmaster.com)  What I can't agree with is that anything that happened previous to a draw is of any value in selecting lottery tickets for that draw.

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                    "If so it won't be because you've arrived at the belief through anything approaching an unbiased study of the subject".

                     well that's not even in the ballpark as far as a truthful statement. 

                    granted,  you don't know me,  or until yesterday,  you have never encountered my fact based "common sense",  but i will factually lay it out again,  knowing you didn't miss it the first time.

                    i made the factual  statement that in all of the history of LP...... no one ........has ever demonstrated sustained repeatability, not even in the minor leagues of pick 3 games.    not one.

                    trust me,  i have devoted tons of time and pages to allow for the opportunity for someone to prove that assertion wrong.

                    no one ever has. 

                    can't count how many times i gave the invitation to anyone to go outside of LP,  and showcase the skills of anyone, including the so called wizards of systems sellers.  still no one.

                      what a stage for a system seller to have,  common sense wispers to itself.

                    still no one

                    so you see,  much to your assertion,  i have actually arrived at common sense land because OF the study of the subject matter,  having proved my assertion time again for years with zero challenge by people who claim they can.

                    and nope,  you cannot assert a blanket of bias over my position,  because i already stated i am not pro QP,  nor am i opposed to numbers players,  nor am i opposed to the furtherance of thought and accomplishment.

                    i would LOVE for someone to prove me wrong,  and wouldn't mind at all when i need to change my position on it,  should someone accomplish their claim.

                    " That says a lot about you as a person, but it says absolutely nothing about lotteries and it says nothng about common sense". 

                    i sure does say alot about me,  that i am not ruled by emotion or worse yet,  wishful thinking.

                    and it says everything that needs to be said about how common sense can be congruent with lottery play.

                    you chase things in life that are attainable,  and you steer clear of things that aren't,   that way you have a more efficient life,  and more efficientcy in your peripheral relationships.

                    think of all the money and time people waste chasing something they can't manufacture or manipulate on outcome to.

                    you wanna be a partner to that?   fine,  but at least find these people the "person" you say can do this.

                    let's go further back than LP's inception,  all the way back in history as far as wikipedia will take you......still there has never been one person that can demonstrate sustained repeatability in an integrity based lottery in all of history.

                    history adores my "common sense"

                    my facts of observational history back up my claims,  while you do not have one example to the contrary in your possession. 

                     all you possess (at this conversation) is wishful thinking

                    Visiondude:  Thanks for your posts.  It's possible I've done you an injustice.  If I have, I apologize.  If I haven't, I still apologize for having said what I said without going to the trouble of reading your history of posts before arriving where I have in my attitude toward you.

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                      A lottery system to me is that shows results in any play week at least 3 to 4 hits a week and the system must tell you when to play or not to keep you're game cost down. The system must generate a combination of hits from straights and box with a minimum of number sets to play . The system can not have a large game history the sets drawn are irrevialent to future game play (Only with in the last 50 to 75 past draws matter) . The system must be able to be used in all games of pick 3 , pick 4 , pick 5 , keno , 2 by 2 , lotto , power ball and mega- millions and its possible to even cross the system over into horse racing . The system must be able to track games that have the bonus balls .. 

                        Keep the system simple .... 

                                                              CajunWin4

                      Cajunwin4:  Thanks for the reply.  It's well thought out and consistent in the justifications with your beliefs.  That's probably all a necessary component to a system.

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                        "The ultimate judge on whether or not your system is successful is yourself."

                        I don't think that is correct.   Winning one time regardless of the size of the win doesn't mean anything. 

                        If a person plays QPs, he can only win with a quick pick.  Most people equate QPs with luck.  So, people that win using QPs are lucky if they cash a ticket.  If a person plays with a system, they can't tell if the system worked or if it was just luck.  In fact if they only win once, it is more probable that it was luck and not the system.

                        They may not care to prove it to someone, that is irrelevant.  They may not need to continue playing, that is irrelevant.  They got the benefit but that also doesn't mean it was the system that worked. 

                        You might believe your system won but you'd be lying to yourself (and others) if you claimed your system worked with only one win.  You can't be the ultimate judge by just believing.  Just believing means nothing.   It has to be repeatable, or it isn't a system, by definition and by standards already established.  You can't claim it is a system unless it is repeatable by others as well as yourself.  Does not mean you are forced to give it to others but it has to meet those criteria.

                        Good post, truecritic.  Thanks.

                        I wonder about the accuracy of the premise:  "In fact if they win only once, it is probably that it was luck and not the systems".

                        But you might be right.  I'm just not certain about the probabilities.

                        As for the rest, it's not so much about systems as about personal preferences involving how the person deals with his own work as it relates to others.

                        Thanks for posting.

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                          Hi Greenfox.  I always enjoy your posts on the Lottery System Forum.  Thanks for posting on this one.

                          I don't know what it takes to produce a winning system, but I have my own strong ideas about what it takes to understand the lottery histories.  I've seen in your posts you're using internal math to remove some of the guesswork.  The underlying question is really whether the guesswork can be removed, and if it can be removed, to what degree is it possible?

                          If a person is going to investigate what is commonly believed to be impossible it requires a suspension of disbelieve sufficient to recognize the great majority of people who believe they are capable of thought will hold whatever you are doing to investigate in disdain.  But if the investigation bears fruit it's also inevitable the investigator will reciprocate.

                          We've every reason already to hold the views of the overwhelming majority of humanity in disdain.  A few of the observations you've related in your posts could easily give you reason to add another category to whatever you already possessed.

                          The problem is that even those who spread their scorn for the viewpoints of others in a paste over everything they post might have some vital piece to add to the puzzle without even knowing they're posting it.  Others, more open minded but still full of disdain also might reveal something helpful without knowing it.

                          I'm glad to see you reading here and happier yet to see you posting.  You don't appear to have suffered any injury from the attacks.

                          Morning Josephus,

                          I try to just put on here some of the things i have seen from working on it. Not about to put all of it for sure. I do use a little math, because it's numbers. Ya kinda have to there lol. Removing the guesswork for the most part is possible, i believe. Maybe all of it with enough time put into it. I had gotten behind on updating everything that i was working on, because of work, so it will take some time to get it caught up. But when i do we'll see what can be done.

                          As far as impossible goes, i don't believe in impossible at all. If everyone stopped trying anything because someone told them it was impossible, well, don't suppose we would have as much as we do in this world. One can look back at many that worked on their ideas, and was told that it was impossible. Tesla himself was ostracized and called mad for the things he done. . That's just an example, and what he did was in the late 1800's and early middle 1900's. He's not the only one that had an idea and made it happen. What i threw him in there for is because i like electricity, and working on it. "No, i don't think i'm Tesla there" There are too many things that this world has and has had for anything to be impossible, the way i see it. Half empty, half full, whatever. I'm a believer no matter what. I'm not about to set and tell myself i can't do anything, and deny myself the possibility. Fear of never trying is not an option with me. The feeling of trying, if only to fail far outways the feeling of just giving up and saying it can't be done to me. If it can't then it can't. I'm not saying it can be done for sure, but i know from what i've seen and done with it that it's possible. As long as there's the possibility then what's wrong with trying. I'm not hurting anyone doing so am i? So what's wrong with it? I don't understand what's wrong with trying.

                          And for attacks? As far as i know there hasn't been any. If someone has been attacking, they've done so with subtelty. Not that i'm nieve, there. I'm sure some don't believe in what i put on here. That's fine. As far as i know, i haven't said or even thought bad about what anyone on here has put on. I thought when i signed up on this place that was what it's here for. For people to throw out ideas, and share, and see what they can come up with. To see if there is a way. Maybe i was mistaken and should keep what i work on to myself. I haven't had anyone help me with it before i started here anyway, so what difference does it make? Everyone around here thinks i'm crazy for trying also, is one reason i came here. Plus i thought what i have been doing might help someone else out. If that's bad then well i apologize. I have stated a few times that what i do is in no way a system i'm trying to sell. If it was, would i post workout after workout, still trying to figure it out myself? Has the world gotten so bad that someone can't just do something to try to help out another? Well if it has, then maybe it is time to just give up. I don't understand that mentality.

                          Now if there are any attacks directed at me, well, let me just say that, i'm 36 and already have almost enough years working in to retire. I've had my family torn apart years ago, watched a father try suicide. Raised a sister since i was 11 yrs old. Worked a job since i was 13. Had a mother that was beat. Watched the same father "give up" and drink himself to death, and be pushed to do so by the woman who was sleeping with his best friend, who's couch he died on at 47. Seen and endured enough in my short years here, that NO AMOUNT of attacks will ever make me "GIVE UP"! I in no way came here to argue with no one, i find it a waste of time and very nonproductive. I came here to see if it is possible. Plain and simple. I have my reasons for what i do, partially monetary but not entirely. Fame and remembrance has nothing to do with it, that much i can say. If i won and died the next day that would be just fine with me, and if my name was never mentioned ever again that's ok to. Also, just for the mentioning of it, i do electrical, plumb, carpenter, mechanic, lay tile, you name it i can do it. And i've had many people tell me i wouldn't be able to do anything because i dropped out of school. Well, i didn't drop out because i was stupid. So everyone can go ahead and call me crazy for saying what i have here, and for what i've been trying to do. This is me, and that's it. There's no door to door salesman here, no stupid $20.00 book coming out, nothing but a "free idea" to whoever might think it's possible and want to try it. Maybe i'm in the wrong place. If all i'm going to get is that same thing i already have been getting. Scorn, being called crazy, no sense, told it's impossible, all that i can get without using my energy to try to help others, find a way, try to be nice to people. Maybe, i should just tell myself it's all been done before and that it is impossible. I'll tell everyone what, 10, no 5 people send me a pm and tell me that it cannot be done, and i will take my ideas and leave here. That simple!!!

                          Josephus, all i can do is thank you for your kindness,  believing that it can be done, and knowing that iv'e just been here trying to help. I will regardless, of being here or not be talking to you again. And i apologize sincerely to you for putting this here. Here is where it seems the possibility of being possible is gone though i see.

                          You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

                          “Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths.
                          When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

                          -Arnold (Ahnald) Schwarzenegger-

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                            Thanks for the replies, all of you.  I think I've had my question answered well enough to satisfy my reason for posting it. 

                            The viewpoints about how a lottery system would look have been shared and the thread has probably reached a point where thread drift is inevitable.  We've arrived at "prove it to me", which drives it into the streets and behind barricades defending fortified positions as opposed to exploration and discovery.

                            I'll check in and read any future posts but I don't expect I'll be posting more on this thread.

                            Thanks all of you who contributed.

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                              truecritic

                              The only way to evaluate a system is to see how many of your inputs were correct.  A jackpot win

                              means nothing because it could be just a chance event.   Lets say that I need to input 8 variables

                              into my software which if correct will hit the JP.  Lets say again that after every draw I check the eight

                              settings to see how many I got correct.

                              If using my methods I manage only the expected correct choices then it could be considered that my

                              methods are no better then chance.  However if I select correctly 85% or more correctly on a day to 

                              day play then I conclude my method / system is doing far better then chance regardless of the lines

                              or prizes produced.

                              I play on paper almost everyday meaning that I set the program using what I believe will hit.  After 

                              the draw I update the database and click check.  I can then check every setting I used for that day

                              and know how close I came.  Many days I miss one setting by as little as 1 point which means that

                              one click of the mouse was all that was between me and a JP.   

                              I am sorry if some can't understand this while others can't believe it but It is not uncommon for me

                              to hit 85% and above day to day.   No one in this world will every convince me that it can't be done. I

                              have hit 2ea 5 of 5's in the last couple weeks.  One took 108 lines and the other 100,  One of the big

                              gaps between jimmy and myself is that all his calculations are based on the return in wins vs loses

                              I don't rate my system by this at all but by how many of my choices I choose correctly.  If I looked 

                              only at the winning tickets how would I ever improve my play.  If a setting proves too hard to predict

                              then I search for a replacement.  I change options on my software at least monthly.  I switch play 

                              tactics almost as often as I change my undies.  It has taken much thought to produce a system that

                              allows for winning smaller prizes when my main selections are incorrect.  Using wins to evaluate a

                              system will never produce a winning system and if a draw can't be replicated then you have no means

                              to tweek it.  A very good system could go a very long time without a win so before anyone discards

                              anything they should know why it is not winning and try to make adjustments.  I have been making

                              adjustments for many many years.  The odds of the game mean nothing to me only the odd of me

                              hitting my settings.  If I hit my settings then I hit the JP.

                               

                              RL 

                              RL

                              Well, then you agree with me.  That's basically what I said to Guru101.

                              The only thing is, I would say you do not have a system.

                              You have a methodology.

                              A system follows rules 1,2,3.  Rules that anyone can follow and obtain the same results as you do.  Rules that dictate exactly what to do and exactly how many tickets to purchase.

                              You have a combination of rules and the other part where you make some kind of choice of which numbers to play and how many tickets to purchase.  And that is the difference between a system and a methodology.

                                 
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