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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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Hi Jimmie.  Despite the fact Greenfox is always courteous in his posts and mild in his assertions concerning what he's attempting to do and believes he observes he's been attacked by innuendo, ad hominen statements, displays of personal contempt by a number of members.  He's remained mild and courteous, continuing to post his work and ideas without indulging outwardly in reciprocal sarcasm and disdain.

However, maintaining an actual respect for those who use those methods of attempting to badger, bludgeon, shame and otherwise encourage others not to express any opposing viewpoints becomes a challenge.  I was suggesting it's worth continuing to read, consider and encourage the views of others, whatever their methods of suppressing free thought.

Well Josephus, I guess the cease fire is over.  Rather than deal with the hard questions I raised [E.G.] like what relevence there is to 2 months of an arbitrary way of displaying the digit counts of two TX intermixed lottery draws appearing to resemble a double helix, you resort to, again, trying to rattle my chain.  I'm not denying using that approach myself, especially in the past, but from what you've been preaching here, I thought such tactics were beneath you.

By the way, the approach to probability that you expound on here, and seem to be promoting to others, is NOT the kind of thinking that enabled our engineers and scientists to succeed in putting a man on the moon in 1969.

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    Visiondude says he stinks at math.  He says he has common sense instead.  LP doesn't have a common sense forum so I can see why he chose the math forum as an outlet for his frustrations.  Sorry learning you are lonely.  Hopefully you and visiondude will keep posting here as a means of comfort to you.

    common sense is a valuable tool in the quest to divide between desperation / wishful thinking and factual reality.

    not to worry,  i am more than willing to demonstrate my claim.

    it is well documented that even as long as LP has been around,  there still is no JP winner in sight.

    some 100,000 plus members,  including the most brilliant lottery minds.  ------>  still none

    common sense fact #1,  it's an anonymous board.  most people that win JP's cannot keep it to themselves,  and anonymous forums are a way to share that fact and still retain control over their privacy.  ----->  still not one JP winner around LP. 

    the idea that someone won't come on for fear of a wrestling match is incongruent with *most* human nature,  and the fact that knowing once that happened,  they could disappear by not answering posts.  ----->  still not one.

    being totally honest,  and knowing human nature,  i would say that's baloney that there "isn't" because JP winners are "afraid".

    if there actually was,  someone would have claimed LP bragging rights.

    fact #2;  let's say for you are right,  the lone JP ranger doesn't feel the need for attention,  it's still categorized as luck, fate, etc.

    one JP win does not constitute success as far as a system debate goes anyway.  the fact is when discussing whether or not systems work is based solely upon repeatability. 

    one JP win is not the gold standard in this debate.  repeatability is king,  and unless a person can demonstrate repeatability,  systems arguers have no voice.   it's wishful thinking

    which brings me to my common sense fact #3,  even after all these years,  and reducing this debate down to it's lowest easiest explainable quotient.....still no one has been able to demonstrate repeatability in the 3 number games.

    you talk "JP".   i give you the easiest way out of this debate by providing you millions of "less odds",  and still no one can.

    so you see how common sense works. 

    not one person has ever demonstrated consistent repeatability on any level in all the years of LP history

    the idea that people are afraid of reprisal is a truth cop out.

    it's an anonymous board.  if one person could demonstrate sustained repeatability,  they would have by now.

    it's a totally random event - therefore no one ever will

    unfortunately because of the hope attached to this subject matter,  people who possess brilliant minds ditch their "brilliance" in favor of wishful thinking.

    that's where i come in,  in my quest to give "them" back levity and common sense,  so they don't chase false hope unecessarily

                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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      common sense is a valuable tool in the quest to divide between desperation / wishful thinking and factual reality.

      not to worry,  i am more than willing to demonstrate my claim.

      it is well documented that even as long as LP has been around,  there still is no JP winner in sight.

      some 100,000 plus members,  including the most brilliant lottery minds.  ------>  still none

      common sense fact #1,  it's an anonymous board.  most people that win JP's cannot keep it to themselves,  and anonymous forums are a way to share that fact and still retain control over their privacy.  ----->  still not one JP winner around LP. 

      the idea that someone won't come on for fear of a wrestling match is incongruent with *most* human nature,  and the fact that knowing once that happened,  they could disappear by not answering posts.  ----->  still not one.

      being totally honest,  and knowing human nature,  i would say that's baloney that there "isn't" because JP winners are "afraid".

      if there actually was,  someone would have claimed LP bragging rights.

      fact #2;  let's say for you are right,  the lone JP ranger doesn't feel the need for attention,  it's still categorized as luck, fate, etc.

      one JP win does not constitute success as far as a system debate goes anyway.  the fact is when discussing whether or not systems work is based solely upon repeatability. 

      one JP win is not the gold standard in this debate.  repeatability is king,  and unless a person can demonstrate repeatability,  systems arguers have no voice.   it's wishful thinking

      which brings me to my common sense fact #3,  even after all these years,  and reducing this debate down to it's lowest easiest explainable quotient.....still no one has been able to demonstrate repeatability in the 3 number games.

      you talk "JP".   i give you the easiest way out of this debate by providing you millions of "less odds",  and still no one can.

      so you see how common sense works. 

      not one person has ever demonstrated consistent repeatability on any level in all the years of LP history

      the idea that people are afraid of reprisal is a truth cop out.

      it's an anonymous board.  if one person could demonstrate sustained repeatability,  they would have by now.

      it's a totally random event - therefore no one ever will

      unfortunately because of the hope attached to this subject matter,  people who possess brilliant minds ditch their "brilliance" in favor of wishful thinking.

      that's where i come in,  in my quest to give "them" back levity and common sense,  so they don't chase false hope unecessarily

      Somebody posted on the blogs that they won a $10,000 dollar Jackpot.

       

      And TBH, if I won I doubt I'd post it here.  You don't know that nobody has won a JP here, we don't know that someone has.

       

      Whatever, I like systems, but I usually just play a QP for JP games.  Sometimes I'll pick a few extra numbers and wheel them, or make a few lines using some sort of grouping, like (10s,10s,20s,30s,30s) but I know it's random.  The way I see it - the bet I'm making is IF my grouping comes up, then I have a much higher chance that I have a prize.  Otherwise, I have a much smaller chance.

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        Stack47,

        "Before we decide "no system has hit a jackpot" we have to know which game jackpot they were trying to hit. There is a huge difference between trying to create a system to win the $10 million plus jackpots in state Lottos, MM, and PB games than trying to create a pick-3 system with a $500 jackpot. Players decide the amount of their pick-3 and pick-4 jackpots based on their wagers."

        While that is true, I can't recall seeing anything like a "Pick 3 Changed My Life" series on TLC. Truth be known, far more money is made on selling information telling others how to hit the Pick 3 than people hitting the Pick 3.

        And personally, my idea of hitting the lottery isn't a $40 to $600 payoff.

        Yeah, I know, you can load up on a number but how often does that happen?

        Look at the prediction board here. What do you think the ratio is of predcitions made to actually played?

        This is a discussion board. The question posed was:

        Post a reply to What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

        My answer still stands. They (systems) hit less often, if at all. Any honest systems peddler will tell you the real money is in selling them. That's why they are doing so.

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

          garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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          common sense is a valuable tool in the quest to divide between desperation / wishful thinking and factual reality.

          not to worry,  i am more than willing to demonstrate my claim.

          it is well documented that even as long as LP has been around,  there still is no JP winner in sight.

          some 100,000 plus members,  including the most brilliant lottery minds.  ------>  still none

          common sense fact #1,  it's an anonymous board.  most people that win JP's cannot keep it to themselves,  and anonymous forums are a way to share that fact and still retain control over their privacy.  ----->  still not one JP winner around LP. 

          the idea that someone won't come on for fear of a wrestling match is incongruent with *most* human nature,  and the fact that knowing once that happened,  they could disappear by not answering posts.  ----->  still not one.

          being totally honest,  and knowing human nature,  i would say that's baloney that there "isn't" because JP winners are "afraid".

          if there actually was,  someone would have claimed LP bragging rights.

          fact #2;  let's say for you are right,  the lone JP ranger doesn't feel the need for attention,  it's still categorized as luck, fate, etc.

          one JP win does not constitute success as far as a system debate goes anyway.  the fact is when discussing whether or not systems work is based solely upon repeatability. 

          one JP win is not the gold standard in this debate.  repeatability is king,  and unless a person can demonstrate repeatability,  systems arguers have no voice.   it's wishful thinking

          which brings me to my common sense fact #3,  even after all these years,  and reducing this debate down to it's lowest easiest explainable quotient.....still no one has been able to demonstrate repeatability in the 3 number games.

          you talk "JP".   i give you the easiest way out of this debate by providing you millions of "less odds",  and still no one can.

          so you see how common sense works. 

          not one person has ever demonstrated consistent repeatability on any level in all the years of LP history

          the idea that people are afraid of reprisal is a truth cop out.

          it's an anonymous board.  if one person could demonstrate sustained repeatability,  they would have by now.

          it's a totally random event - therefore no one ever will

          unfortunately because of the hope attached to this subject matter,  people who possess brilliant minds ditch their "brilliance" in favor of wishful thinking.

          that's where i come in,  in my quest to give "them" back levity and common sense,  so they don't chase false hope unecessarily

          Been in Jimmy's Magic Ju-Ju, again?

          If we apply your rules of comon sense across the table, then NO QP PLAYER HAS WON A JACKPOT either. 

          So then the question is relegated to, "Do LP members follow the standard 70QP/30PP breakdown?"

          Anonymous board as it is, there are people who would, and could, take the initiative to track you down from something you post here, or anywhere on the internet if you had something that interests them. 

          Amend your statement to "There is no verifiable winner at LP."

          That is something we can all agree on.

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            Well Josephus, I guess the cease fire is over.  Rather than deal with the hard questions I raised [E.G.] like what relevence there is to 2 months of an arbitrary way of displaying the digit counts of two TX intermixed lottery draws appearing to resemble a double helix, you resort to, again, trying to rattle my chain.  I'm not denying using that approach myself, especially in the past, but from what you've been preaching here, I thought such tactics were beneath you.

            By the way, the approach to probability that you expound on here, and seem to be promoting to others, is NOT the kind of thinking that enabled our engineers and scientists to succeed in putting a man on the moon in 1969.

            Jimmie:  Lottery Post isn't attempting to put a man on the moon.  It is a diverse group of people with a marginally shared interest in lotteries.

            For the most part when people post ideas and possible methods here they do it in a willingness to have the ideas tested and if it proves wrong, proved wrong.  They aren't asking for smug denouncements, innuendo, any rhetorical trickery intended to minimize what they take the trouble and have the self-esteem to post knowing many are here for no other purpose than bullying, denouncing, demeaning and self-elevation at the expense of others.

            You and I are not at war.   This thread is not going to become a repitition of the last one.  I believe, should you choose to try to make it one I have the wherewithal to discourage it.

            Having said that, I'd not be candid if I didn't also say I don't consider any challenge you might express put forward in your particular style of logic worth the energy it would require for me to respond to it.  I'm not here to engage in futile attempts to overpower the your microscopic worldview.  I couldn't do it if I wanted to.

            Thank you for the post.

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              food for thought

               

              I know jackpots ie pick 5's are usually around 50k to start

               

              ONE PICK 4  10 bucks a nite for a straight will produce the same amount of winnings ..I dont know about yall..but I would consider that hitting the jackpot if I chose to go that way..which I would do IF I LIVED IN A LOTTERY STATE to begin with...and why would I do that..the odds are smaller..the smaller the field...the more you can squeeze it!!!!!

              "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                common sense is a valuable tool in the quest to divide between desperation / wishful thinking and factual reality.

                not to worry,  i am more than willing to demonstrate my claim.

                it is well documented that even as long as LP has been around,  there still is no JP winner in sight.

                some 100,000 plus members,  including the most brilliant lottery minds.  ------>  still none

                common sense fact #1,  it's an anonymous board.  most people that win JP's cannot keep it to themselves,  and anonymous forums are a way to share that fact and still retain control over their privacy.  ----->  still not one JP winner around LP. 

                the idea that someone won't come on for fear of a wrestling match is incongruent with *most* human nature,  and the fact that knowing once that happened,  they could disappear by not answering posts.  ----->  still not one.

                being totally honest,  and knowing human nature,  i would say that's baloney that there "isn't" because JP winners are "afraid".

                if there actually was,  someone would have claimed LP bragging rights.

                fact #2;  let's say for you are right,  the lone JP ranger doesn't feel the need for attention,  it's still categorized as luck, fate, etc.

                one JP win does not constitute success as far as a system debate goes anyway.  the fact is when discussing whether or not systems work is based solely upon repeatability. 

                one JP win is not the gold standard in this debate.  repeatability is king,  and unless a person can demonstrate repeatability,  systems arguers have no voice.   it's wishful thinking

                which brings me to my common sense fact #3,  even after all these years,  and reducing this debate down to it's lowest easiest explainable quotient.....still no one has been able to demonstrate repeatability in the 3 number games.

                you talk "JP".   i give you the easiest way out of this debate by providing you millions of "less odds",  and still no one can.

                so you see how common sense works. 

                not one person has ever demonstrated consistent repeatability on any level in all the years of LP history

                the idea that people are afraid of reprisal is a truth cop out.

                it's an anonymous board.  if one person could demonstrate sustained repeatability,  they would have by now.

                it's a totally random event - therefore no one ever will

                unfortunately because of the hope attached to this subject matter,  people who possess brilliant minds ditch their "brilliance" in favor of wishful thinking.

                that's where i come in,  in my quest to give "them" back levity and common sense,  so they don't chase false hope unecessarily

                This may be a false statement, but since I do not live in a lottery state where I could bring all my knowledge to bare on a daily basis , I will make no further claims, only a statement..

                If Memory serves me correctly..Didnt Rickg win littlelotto in Illinois? Rick..if you wanted that kept on the down low I apologise but I do remember reading in the forums something to that effect...

                And I also believe that some guy that most LP members did not get along with,ACCORDING TO WHAT I READ when he was posting, hit the 5 white balls on powerball..and there is probably a few other ones that have done quite well also...

                 

                I predict that in the next 5 years if that long I will be moving to Georgia..One, they have a lottery and Two...I am a huge BRAVES FAN...hahahaha..Good Luck to everyone today!!!!1

                "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"


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                  Jimmie:  Lottery Post isn't attempting to put a man on the moon.  It is a diverse group of people with a marginally shared interest in lotteries.

                  For the most part when people post ideas and possible methods here they do it in a willingness to have the ideas tested and if it proves wrong, proved wrong.  They aren't asking for smug denouncements, innuendo, any rhetorical trickery intended to minimize what they take the trouble and have the self-esteem to post knowing many are here for no other purpose than bullying, denouncing, demeaning and self-elevation at the expense of others.

                  You and I are not at war.   This thread is not going to become a repitition of the last one.  I believe, should you choose to try to make it one I have the wherewithal to discourage it.

                  Having said that, I'd not be candid if I didn't also say I don't consider any challenge you might express put forward in your particular style of logic worth the energy it would require for me to respond to it.  I'm not here to engage in futile attempts to overpower the your microscopic worldview.  I couldn't do it if I wanted to.

                  Thank you for the post.

                  Dear Joey,

                  "This thread is not going to become a repitition of the last one.  I believe, should you choose to try to make it one I have the wherewithal to discourage it."

                  That sounds ominous, almost threatening!  I've had a suspicion I've been dealing with LP management, and the revelation that you "have the wherewithal" lends support to that suspicion.  Well, we wouldn't want you to have to invoke your executive privilege, so let's focus on the math and logic, since this is the Mathematics Forum.

                  From my microscopic perspective on the world, I strongly believe that your conjecture that Pick-4 Draws have a connection to the Double Helix through visualization of their digit counts is one that can easily be back-tested.  Before proceeding with an examination of more data, it would be nice to know what decision you came to regarding which TX game is the best candidate.

                  BTW, are you at liberty to reveal what sort of selection system you have in mind to exploit this visual evidence in the event the pattern you revealed with 2 month's data persists over longer periods of time?

                  Respectfully yours,

                  --Jimmy4164

                  P.S. Here is your initial data , alligned with the Lucida Console Character Font:

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                    common sense is a valuable tool in the quest to divide between desperation / wishful thinking and factual reality.

                    not to worry,  i am more than willing to demonstrate my claim.

                    it is well documented that even as long as LP has been around,  there still is no JP winner in sight.

                    some 100,000 plus members,  including the most brilliant lottery minds.  ------>  still none

                    common sense fact #1,  it's an anonymous board.  most people that win JP's cannot keep it to themselves,  and anonymous forums are a way to share that fact and still retain control over their privacy.  ----->  still not one JP winner around LP. 

                    the idea that someone won't come on for fear of a wrestling match is incongruent with *most* human nature,  and the fact that knowing once that happened,  they could disappear by not answering posts.  ----->  still not one.

                    being totally honest,  and knowing human nature,  i would say that's baloney that there "isn't" because JP winners are "afraid".

                    if there actually was,  someone would have claimed LP bragging rights.

                    fact #2;  let's say for you are right,  the lone JP ranger doesn't feel the need for attention,  it's still categorized as luck, fate, etc.

                    one JP win does not constitute success as far as a system debate goes anyway.  the fact is when discussing whether or not systems work is based solely upon repeatability. 

                    one JP win is not the gold standard in this debate.  repeatability is king,  and unless a person can demonstrate repeatability,  systems arguers have no voice.   it's wishful thinking

                    which brings me to my common sense fact #3,  even after all these years,  and reducing this debate down to it's lowest easiest explainable quotient.....still no one has been able to demonstrate repeatability in the 3 number games.

                    you talk "JP".   i give you the easiest way out of this debate by providing you millions of "less odds",  and still no one can.

                    so you see how common sense works. 

                    not one person has ever demonstrated consistent repeatability on any level in all the years of LP history

                    the idea that people are afraid of reprisal is a truth cop out.

                    it's an anonymous board.  if one person could demonstrate sustained repeatability,  they would have by now.

                    it's a totally random event - therefore no one ever will

                    unfortunately because of the hope attached to this subject matter,  people who possess brilliant minds ditch their "brilliance" in favor of wishful thinking.

                    that's where i come in,  in my quest to give "them" back levity and common sense,  so they don't chase false hope unecessarily

                    Visiondude:  I've known a lot of people in my life I believed had common sense.  They demonstrated it in various ways involving actually accomplishing things they set out to do by using innovation and sometimes ingenious methods others usually hadn't considered.  Many were poorly educated.  One was mentally deficient, but able to take physical objects in his hands and make them do what needed doing.

                    They all had one thing in common.  The possession of common sense provided them enough self-doubt to serve as a restraint on the claims they had a right to make about their own common sense.  They didn't strut and posture claiming to anyone willing to listen that they had common sense.

                    As for your last sentence, where you actually come in is probably not quite in the level of importance you believe it to be where others are concerned.  Most of them will have encountered enough people actually in possession of common sense to recognize it when they see it.

                    Thank you for the post

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                      Dear Joey,

                      "This thread is not going to become a repitition of the last one.  I believe, should you choose to try to make it one I have the wherewithal to discourage it."

                      That sounds ominous, almost threatening!  I've had a suspicion I've been dealing with LP management, and the revelation that you "have the wherewithal" lends support to that suspicion.  Well, we wouldn't want you to have to invoke your executive privilege, so let's focus on the math and logic, since this is the Mathematics Forum.

                      From my microscopic perspective on the world, I strongly believe that your conjecture that Pick-4 Draws have a connection to the Double Helix through visualization of their digit counts is one that can easily be back-tested.  Before proceeding with an examination of more data, it would be nice to know what decision you came to regarding which TX game is the best candidate.

                      BTW, are you at liberty to reveal what sort of selection system you have in mind to exploit this visual evidence in the event the pattern you revealed with 2 month's data persists over longer periods of time?

                      Respectfully yours,

                      --Jimmy4164

                      P.S. Here is your initial data , alligned with the Lucida Console Character Font:

                      0123456789   Date

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                      -----21-1--xx2/28/2011
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                      --12----1--xx3/1/2011
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                      --------12-xx3/2/2011
                      ----1--11--xx3/2/2011
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                      Jimmie:  LP management?  I was recently threatened with banishment from the site when I attempted to post my email address on a PM to a friend of yours, RL.

                      As for the rest of your post I can't summon up the desire to respond.

                      However, I appreciate your interest.


                      Thanks

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                        I'd like to know. lol.

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                          common sense is a valuable tool in the quest to divide between desperation / wishful thinking and factual reality.

                          not to worry,  i am more than willing to demonstrate my claim.

                          it is well documented that even as long as LP has been around,  there still is no JP winner in sight.

                          some 100,000 plus members,  including the most brilliant lottery minds.  ------>  still none

                          common sense fact #1,  it's an anonymous board.  most people that win JP's cannot keep it to themselves,  and anonymous forums are a way to share that fact and still retain control over their privacy.  ----->  still not one JP winner around LP. 

                          the idea that someone won't come on for fear of a wrestling match is incongruent with *most* human nature,  and the fact that knowing once that happened,  they could disappear by not answering posts.  ----->  still not one.

                          being totally honest,  and knowing human nature,  i would say that's baloney that there "isn't" because JP winners are "afraid".

                          if there actually was,  someone would have claimed LP bragging rights.

                          fact #2;  let's say for you are right,  the lone JP ranger doesn't feel the need for attention,  it's still categorized as luck, fate, etc.

                          one JP win does not constitute success as far as a system debate goes anyway.  the fact is when discussing whether or not systems work is based solely upon repeatability. 

                          one JP win is not the gold standard in this debate.  repeatability is king,  and unless a person can demonstrate repeatability,  systems arguers have no voice.   it's wishful thinking

                          which brings me to my common sense fact #3,  even after all these years,  and reducing this debate down to it's lowest easiest explainable quotient.....still no one has been able to demonstrate repeatability in the 3 number games.

                          you talk "JP".   i give you the easiest way out of this debate by providing you millions of "less odds",  and still no one can.

                          so you see how common sense works. 

                          not one person has ever demonstrated consistent repeatability on any level in all the years of LP history

                          the idea that people are afraid of reprisal is a truth cop out.

                          it's an anonymous board.  if one person could demonstrate sustained repeatability,  they would have by now.

                          it's a totally random event - therefore no one ever will

                          unfortunately because of the hope attached to this subject matter,  people who possess brilliant minds ditch their "brilliance" in favor of wishful thinking.

                          that's where i come in,  in my quest to give "them" back levity and common sense,  so they don't chase false hope unecessarily

                          @visiondude: Per usual, you hit the nail squarely on the head!

                          Especially when you said, "unfortunately because of the hope attached to this subject matter,  people who possess brilliant minds ditch their 'brilliance' in favor of wishful thinking."

                          Sometimes I feel guilty when I realize that I could be bursting someone's "bubble," to the extent that I might help them realize that they really don't have any hope of controlling their wins or losses in the lotteries beyond the number of tickets they choose to purchase.  The ones you refer to in this quote are the ones I worry about, however.  When someone who is obviously fairly intelligent has such an extreme NEED to believe they have this kind of control, watch out if they somehow discover they don't have it without adequate support systems in place.

                          Have you ever visited this site?  It deals well with these issues.

                          http://http://wizardofodds.com

                          Here are some lottery specific probability questions addressed.

                          http://wizardofodds.com/askthewizard/lottery.html

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                            I'd like to know. lol.

                            As I've said repeatedly, my interest in lotteries doesn't involve playing them.  I exploit lotteries by learning from the body of evidence they produce in a secure environment capable of being examined and used in attempt at arriving at a better understanding of the universe we live in.  No laboratory on earth has a more secure, consistently and scrupulously produced history of experiments regarding any facet of science than lotteries perform and make available without government grants, grad student lab assistants, stodgy professors buying stock in the company and co-eds.

                            lol.


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                              I'd like to know. lol.

                              I'm sure you're not the only one.  Over and over I see systems proposed and lauded for their short term performance, only to eventually settle to the bottom of the LP Topic listings, never to be heard of again.  And the ones that persist seem to EVOLVE over time, making it virtually impossible to nail down a specification.  This is especially true with Pick-3 modulus arithmetic systems.  RickG was the only person I found who was willing to specify a system in detail so it could be back-tested with a computer program.

                              Have you noticed that the only responses to my assertion that claiming a system is too complex to backtest is a cop out were just more of the same kinds of claims?  I thought that at least someone would challenge my claims of experience writing simulations.  I'm afraid some people don't really want to know the truth.  They just want to believe they have a better chance than the person in front of them in the lottery ticket line.

                              P.S.  @Joey:  Lottery data to assist in a better understanding of the universe?  Give me a break!

                                 
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