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Do some number combinations have better odds?

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Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:24 pm - IP Logged

"The mean what is 1 and the mean what is around 7?"

I did some very sloppy research and read a post from this month saying there were 300 MM drawings. The mean is actually 20 for the game history.

"Of course it's possible to win more than 1 in 39 in short tests."

The only possible long test is the history of the game and that's 781 drawings. You're mileage might vary, but to me 0.02% is considered a very short test.

"It's not possible to create a system which averages more than the odds dictate."

It's mathematically possible to place all 56 numbers in the correct order into 12 line wheel and have a five number match. Not saying it's easy, but it's possible. Better yet use a 46 combo wheel and use all the bonus numbers.

"It's like if the number "5" came out two draws in a row you'd claim that probability is wrong since that number should come out less than every draw on average."

The here question is "do some number combinations have better odds" and because we know there will be several 28 number groups matching five numbers in the last and next 5 consecutive drawings, the answer is yes. If you want to use "5" repeating as an example, there is a probability of numbers repeating. If the more numbers are repeating than the probability, a system might include using that.

For individual numbers in the last 50 drawings the average should be 4 or 5 hits, but less than 50% of the numbers averaged that. The majority were more frequent of less frequent. There are many ways to create a group of 28 numbers that should beat probability over short periods and many others in other short periods.

But first of all I still don't know what mean you are referring to.  You keep saying the mean, but not specifiying the mean what.  Like "the mean sum," "the mean number of 5/5 wins", etc.

 

And while everything you said is possible, that doesn't make them probable, nor does it mean that you can average better than the odds dictate.  You, of course, can win, but cannot consistently win in the long term.  So that means the average will not be better than the odds state.


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    Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:25 pm - IP Logged

    I dont think Boney ever learned math.

    Take probability.  Supposed the lottery is not rigged.  There fore it obeys laws of probabability.

    If something occurred 10 times in 100

    and another thing occurred 0 times in 100, then this simple fact, will allow me to predict.  If the game is not rigged then these two variables should reverse at some point.  (with some good luckWink)

    I dont think bonehead understands what a variable is, or even how to define one.

    In order to predict you have to be looking for something.

    People who play quickpicks never look for anything. 

    And all boney is looking for is trouble.

    Talking in terms of ROI, those with working knowledge can play longer with more house investment.

    There is a limit on how deep the whole can be dug before you have a windfall.  You are gambling on a windfall.   Its only a matter of time, and many people on LP have done it already, and are just trying to do it again.

    In order to predict you have to be looking for something.

    Excellent point, When I predict Im looking for recently drawn numbers to repeat. Its probably not something a genius can understand because its so simple. Im not try to overcome ALL ODDS, just some of them.

    Here is the example of the 5+1 Aug. 10, 2012 win.........

    Friday, August 10, 2012                 10 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    084$29 Million
    Tuesday, August 07, 201230 · 32 · 33 · 42 · 48    074$21 Million
    Friday, August 03, 201202 · 10 · 13 · 38 · 46    023$13 Million
    Tuesday, July 31, 201205 · 18 · 21 · 29 · 41    373$12 Million
    Friday, July 27, 201202 · 03 · 04 · 08 · 43    263$52 Million
    Tuesday, July 24, 201205 · 09 · 38 · 46 · 51    054$45 Million
    Friday, July 20, 201202 · 44 · 48 · 50 · 52    033$37 Million
    Tuesday, July 17, 201201 · 13 · 21 · 49 · 55    174$28 Million
    Friday, July 13, 201206 · 07 · 13 · 24 · 46    342$21 Million
    Tuesday, July 10, 201203 · 11 · 19 · 23 · 36    214$14 Million
    Friday, July 06, 201220 · 23 · 28 · 35 · 39    213$12 Million
    Tuesday, July 03, 201203 · 04 · 24 · 36 · 52    454$86 Million
    Friday, June 29, 201228 · 34 · 39 · 45 · 53    344$75 Mill
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      Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:25 pm - IP Logged

      But LR-Randomlogic thinks he proved the efficacy of his system by winning $300 over 6 or 7 draws. Unhappy

      There are 4 types of lottery players here:

      1) Those who understand the math and choose to play anyway, subtracting their costs from their entertainment budgets.

      2) Those who do NOT understand the math and spend more than they can afford.

      3) Those who do NOT understand the math, but are responsible and intelligent enough to recognize that the State Lotteries hold a 50% house edge overall and consequently, play within their means.

      4) Those who understand the math, but also receive compensation for  propogating innumeracy, contributing greatly to the losses of those in 2) above.

      Cancer has been characterized by a well known oncologist as "The Emperor of All Maladies" in his book with that title.  If a definitive cure for cancer is ever found, I'm afraid that Innumeracy will take its place. 

      --Jimmy4164

      Yeah I realize this is what's happening here.

       

      It's like when I tried out a system for the Pick 3.  I won 7 our of 14 draws and thought I was unstoppbable.  Reality eventually set in once I started studying advantage gambling, so I'm lucky I got sucked into Lottery at a young age when I didn't have much money rather than later when I could have wasted much more.

       

      Confirmation Bias hurts many people.


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        Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:32 pm - IP Logged

        But first of all I still don't know what mean you are referring to.  You keep saying the mean, but not specifiying the mean what.  Like "the mean sum," "the mean number of 5/5 wins", etc.

         

        And while everything you said is possible, that doesn't make them probable, nor does it mean that you can average better than the odds dictate.  You, of course, can win, but cannot consistently win in the long term.  So that means the average will not be better than the odds state.

        Why cant you just get over it Boney?

        No one is trying to beat the odds for the next 1000 years and prove some cosmic truth.....

        Getting BETTER ODDS in the short term for the purpose of posably effecting a win is not that hard to do.......... If you want to call intuition and skill "luck" than its "luck" but ether way some combinations do have BETTER odds (in the short term) than others..........


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          Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:35 pm - IP Logged

          In order to predict you have to be looking for something.

          Excellent point, When I predict Im looking for recently drawn numbers to repeat. Its probably not something a genius can understand because its so simple. Im not try to overcome ALL ODDS, just some of them.

          Here is the example of the 5+1 Aug. 10, 2012 win.........

          Friday, August 10, 2012                 10 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    084$29 Million
          Tuesday, August 07, 201230 · 32 · 33 · 42 · 48    074$21 Million
          Friday, August 03, 201202 · 10 · 13 · 38 · 46    023$13 Million
          Tuesday, July 31, 201205 · 18 · 21 · 29 · 41    373$12 Million
          Friday, July 27, 201202 · 03 · 04 · 08 · 43    263$52 Million
          Tuesday, July 24, 201205 · 09 · 38 · 46 · 51    054$45 Million
          Friday, July 20, 201202 · 44 · 48 · 50 · 52    033$37 Million
          Tuesday, July 17, 201201 · 13 · 21 · 49 · 55    174$28 Million
          Friday, July 13, 201206 · 07 · 13 · 24 · 46    342$21 Million
          Tuesday, July 10, 201203 · 11 · 19 · 23 · 36    214$14 Million
          Friday, July 06, 201220 · 23 · 28 · 35 · 39    213$12 Million
          Tuesday, July 03, 201203 · 04 · 24 · 36 · 52    454$86 Million
          Friday, June 29, 201228 · 34 · 39 · 45 · 53    344$75 Mill
          Friday, August 10, 2012                 10 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    + 084$29 Million
          Tuesday, August 07, 201230 · 32 · 33 · 42 · 48    + 074$21 Million
          Friday, August 03, 201202 · 10 · 13 · 38 · 46    + 023$13 Million
          Tuesday, July 31, 201205 · 18 · 21 · 29 · 41    + 373$12 Million
          Friday, July 27, 201202 · 03 · 04 · 08 · 43    + 263$52 Million
          Tuesday, July 24, 201205 · 09 · 38 · 46 · 51    + 054$45 Million
          Friday, July 20, 201202 · 44 · 48 · 50 · 52    + 033$37 Million
          Tuesday, July 17, 201201 · 13 · 21 · 49 · 55    + 174$28 Million
          Friday, July 13, 201206 · 07 · 13 · 24 · 46    + 342$21 Million
          Tuesday, July 10, 201203 · 11 · 19 · 23 · 36    + 214$14 Million
          Friday, July 06, 201220 · 23 · 28 · 35 · 39    + 213$12 Million
          Tuesday, July 03, 201203 · 04 · 24 · 36 · 52    + 454$86 Million
          Friday, June 29, 201228 · 34 · 39 · 45 · 53    + 344$75 Mill

           
          Somebody should do a thorough Decades analysis.

          Thinking of...


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            Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:41 pm - IP Logged

            A perfect example is my method of eliminating 20 numbers from the PB pool.........

            Yes, the odds MAY balance out over 1000 draws, but if I by some stroke of "luck" can get 1 in 575k odds every other draw (or so) why would I reject that and play for 1 in 5million odds???????

            From the perspective of a superior being would you rather play twice with zero odds and once with 1 in 575k odds, or 3 times with 1 in 5 million odds???

            Just wondering...........


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              Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:41 pm - IP Logged

              Yeah I realize this is what's happening here.

               

              It's like when I tried out a system for the Pick 3.  I won 7 our of 14 draws and thought I was unstoppbable.  Reality eventually set in once I started studying advantage gambling, so I'm lucky I got sucked into Lottery at a young age when I didn't have much money rather than later when I could have wasted much more.

               

              Confirmation Bias hurts many people.

              You studied advantage gambling?  What at an online university?

              These words mean nothing.  7 out of 14 draws is good.  You gave up.  You are a quitter.

              Bias people hurts many confirmation.What?

              You are only 20, why do you pretend to know so much?


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                Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:44 pm - IP Logged

                You studied advantage gambling?  What at an online university?

                These words mean nothing.  7 out of 14 draws is good.  You gave up.  You are a quitter.

                Bias people hurts many confirmation.What?

                You are only 20, why do you pretend to know so much?

                I think he is saying we are all players who are Biased by our own dilutions...... lol. lol. lol.


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                  Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:48 pm - IP Logged

                  Boney thinks I'm wildly delusional and throw my money away because of my delusions.... lol. lol.


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                    Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:49 pm - IP Logged

                    I think he is saying we are all players who are Biased by our own dilutions...... lol. lol. lol.

                    I still haven't figured out why people who cant win the lottery, or are not willing to put time into it, just complain complain complain, at a lottery website.

                    Take up another hobby. Roll Eyes

                    If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

                    Boneythedroney.  Just drones on and on. 

                    Go win some money and zip it!


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                      Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:49 pm - IP Logged

                      Im cracking up............................

                      Yellow Eyes


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                        I still haven't figured out why people who cant win the lottery, or are not willing to put time into it, just complain complain complain, at a lottery website.

                        Take up another hobby. Roll Eyes

                        If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

                        Boneythedroney.  Just drones on and on. 

                        Go win some money and zip it!

                        He was gone for a while but I think he lost all his money at the poker table and came back with proof that "winning doesn't work"..............  "My name is Boney"


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                          Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:52 pm - IP Logged

                          Im cracking up............................

                          Yellow Eyes

                          Boney should go flip quarters for a hour and bring back the results. 

                          No Pity!

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                            Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:52 pm - IP Logged

                            A perfect example is my method of eliminating 20 numbers from the PB pool.........

                            Yes, the odds MAY balance out over 1000 draws, but if I by some stroke of "luck" can get 1 in 575k odds every other draw (or so) why would I reject that and play for 1 in 5million odds???????

                            From the perspective of a superior being would you rather play twice with zero odds and once with 1 in 575k odds, or 3 times with 1 in 5 million odds???

                            Just wondering...........

                            Quit being ridiculous.

                             

                            You're asking me why would I (do this impossible task) when I can do (this impossible task) and which I would prefer.

                             

                            Neither are possible.  You can't eliminate 20 numbers with any reliable accuracy, so the point is moot.

                             

                            And quit saying things like that.  From the perspective of a superior being....  just stop.  I've stated multiple times that you can believe what you wish, and I've presented the concepts which lead me to believe, and actually know, that the concepts you are describing are incorrect.  I've been there.  I now realize there is no affect.  Like I said YOU ARE FREE TO HOLD YOUR OWN BELIEFS.  I won't call you stupid for that.  I will say there is no logical reason to believe intuition can help you predict a random event, but I know you believe that it can.


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                              Posted: December 18, 2012, 7:53 pm - IP Logged

                              I will avoid the lottery insanity. I will play the lottery tonight AND tomorrow..... lol. lol. lol.

                                 
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