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You know what, onlymoney, since it's your perogative to sit there calling people names instead of understanding the math, so how about this.  You stop responding to me, and I'll stop responding to you.

 

All I have left to say is that you present your opinions as if you believe that your opinions are stone cold facts, but that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, and that if they make any claim they are claiming to be an "expert on everything."  (Opinions being the likely-hood of one of those guys being a winner.)  And when we are talking about factual information, you just ignore it (factual information being math) on the basis that people have gotten math wrong before.

 

If you have kids, I sincerely hope you treat them better than this.  If not, they are likely to grow up to resent you, as they are probably more knowledable than you on something, and if they happen to disagree with you, I hope you aren't oppressing them (as indicated by your comment that you can't take me by the ear and lock me in my room after I showed the math lmao)

I agree. It's futile talking to a wall anyways.

I understand the math, what you don't get is the fact that there COULD be someone out there who's smarter than the math with an ingenius strategy and betting style. But since LORD BONEHEAD has seen hundreds of thousands of systems, strategies and betting structures, and applied ALL of them to his math, you call that FACT. You use words like "NO", "NEVER", "NONE", as If you've seen them all. You haven't seen all of them, so you can't come to a conclusion. DUH!!!!!

I don't have kids, and never will cause they may accidentally run into you one day and become delusional.

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    I literally went back to April 8, 2008 to tally up how much Peter has won since then.

    $346,220

    How much do you think he had to spend to make that much in 5 years?

    Especially when most of his wins were from P-4?  1 in 10,000 chance to win.

    My estimation is, If he was making money, then not much If he has a system that works, most likely Steve Player's system.

    If he doesn't have a system and is a problem gambler, I'd say close to, If not over 2 million bucks.

    Most people with a gambling problem lose all their money in a short amount of time because they're trying to recoup their losses with heavier bets, such as in the Martingale system as one example. But I don't believe anyone would continue losing for 5 years. And who knows when it'll stop.

    So if this keeps up 10 years from now, you think he's just some bum gambler losing? 2 million or more every five years?

    Crazy

    How'd you come up with 2 million?

     

    I'd estimate closer to 500K to 900K.

     

    It could also be luck.  I don't actually know, I just think it's more likely he gambles a whole lot.  Since there are some amount of wealthy people who like to gamble.  I never said it's impossible he's one of those few lucky ones who is a few standard deviations away from the house edge, which means he's really just winning so much from luck.

     

    I just think it's far more likely that he's independently wealthy and likes the Pick 3/4.  I mean, it's obviously not impossible to make a lot of money.  Somebody could play a $20 dollat straight bet in the Pick 4 and they'd make around 100,000, but the real odds would justify a payour of 200,000, so it's just not a "good bet" in terms of edge, and you can't use any sort of system (like martingale) to affect that edge (as a perecentage.)


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      I'm almost positive he wouldn't spend 2 million a year just to get his name on some winner's list. Sure, this guy of yours has an income that allows him to lose, but I'm sure he's not losing all the time. You're just to egotistic to realize someone may be smarter than you, like Peter. Get over it.

      Without Peter as an example, you're still in denial that someone out there can have a system. Grow up laready. I know you're young, but don't act like a 5 year old.

      OnlyMoney,

      Why do you keep ignoring the possibility that http://www.StevePlayer.com might be the key to to this entire mystery?

      Peter may be no more than Steve's "BagMan."

      You don't need to lose $Millions to LOOK LIKE YOU'RE winning $Millions if you're buying winning tickets.  Don't you think there are people who would sell their winners for 80% of face value to avoid the tax scrutinity?

      If Steve and Peter (et al) have played their cards right, they could be getting great publicity for their products at little or no cost.

      --Jimmy4164

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        Posted: May 6, 2013, 3:53 pm - IP Logged

        I agree. It's futile talking to a wall anyways.

        I understand the math, what you don't get is the fact that there COULD be someone out there who's smarter than the math with an ingenius strategy and betting style. But since LORD BONEHEAD has seen hundreds of thousands of systems, strategies and betting structures, and applied ALL of them to his math, you call that FACT. You use words like "NO", "NEVER", "NONE", as If you've seen them all. You haven't seen all of them, so you can't come to a conclusion. DUH!!!!!

        I don't have kids, and never will cause they may accidentally run into you one day and become delusional.

        I think it's fair to say that EITHER

         

        1) Nobody has seen one that has beaten a game's math in the long run, at least no gaming mathemetician I've heard of.  If this DID occur, you bet it'd be big news in the gaming world - and as I've stated, 100s, if not thousands, of people have tested all sorts of betting systems.  They don't work for one simple reason.  As long as this forumla for expected value is what it is, betting strategies will only change risk, not house advantage.  (Forumla is [  Wager * Return of bet = EV of bet.  ]

        or

         

        2) Somebody has done this and isn't telling anyone.

         

        You decide what you think is more likely.  That somebody secretely found what thousands of mathemticians over time have been saying doesn't work (and in the last few decades, have gotten the processing power to test it, and find that it doesn't work) and is keeping it a secret, or that the matehemticians are right and that betting doesn't affect house edge.  Now, I'm not saying it's unlikey that IF it was found it would remain secret, for a time, but that I am so sure that it will never be done, that I may as well say "it will never be done."

         

        But I don't understand how you can say that I can't use words like never, but you can use the word MUST in terms of the guy you mention.  As in "I don't know him, but he MUST be winning, because I would never lose that much."

         

        It's hypocritical of you, and I don't really care what you think anymore, since you seem more interested in immaturely calling me names like a couple other people here.  Hopefully, if you read this calmly, you'll understand how ridiculous you sound - even if you disagree with my point.


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          How'd you come up with 2 million?

           

          I'd estimate closer to 500K to 900K.

           

          It could also be luck.  I don't actually know, I just think it's more likely he gambles a whole lot.  Since there are some amount of wealthy people who like to gamble.  I never said it's impossible he's one of those few lucky ones who is a few standard deviations away from the house edge, which means he's really just winning so much from luck.

           

          I just think it's far more likely that he's independently wealthy and likes the Pick 3/4.  I mean, it's obviously not impossible to make a lot of money.  Somebody could play a $20 dollat straight bet in the Pick 4 and they'd make around 100,000, but the real odds would justify a payour of 200,000, so it's just not a "good bet" in terms of edge, and you can't use any sort of system (like martingale) to affect that edge (as a perecentage.)

          Does it really make sense that an independantly wealthy person bets the p-4 for fun? Wouldn't it be more likely that he goes somewhere like a casino to have fun? Not to a gas station to buy tickets in his limousine? especially when it's that much money? C'mon dude, use your head.

          Aside form Peter, anwser yes or no to the following question, just a simple yes or no please.

          Do you really believe you've seen every single strategy, betting technique and tested them all?


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            OnlyMoney,

            Why do you keep ignoring the possibility that http://www.StevePlayer.com might be the key to to this entire mystery?

            Peter may be no more than Steve's "BagMan."

            You don't need to lose $Millions to LOOK LIKE YOU'RE winning $Millions if you're buying winning tickets.  Don't you think there are people who would sell their winners for 80% of face value to avoid the tax scrutinity?

            If Steve and Peter (et al) have played their cards right, they could be getting great publicity for their products at little or no cost.

            --Jimmy4164

            I already went through this with you. I'm not rewriting everything again. Go back and read my answer.

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                   I would like to know how then members have Predicted for games be it Pick 3 , Pick 4 , Pick5 , Pick 6 and Jackpot games with minumum lines to play in games . That have matched the drawn digits in game play . If it wouldn't be for Systems , Methods or Theories these members would never be able to match at least 1 drawn digit/digits in game . Much less 3 ,4 , 5 or 6 Digits in games .

              Jimmy , I've Predicted for your States Pick 5 game and Matched 3 out 5 in game with a Minumum amount of lines to play on the next day draw.. Just as a TEST in Predictions Board !!!

              Jimmy and Boney how is then I have matched in Pick 5 games 2 out 5 , 3 out 5 ,  4 out 5 many of times . I've even had two  5 out 5 matches in 2 states games posted in their Forums ...

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                "Does it really make sense that an independantly wealthy person bets the p-4 for fun?"

                 

                Well if I was independently wealthy I wouldn't play.  But it does make sense that with more than 300 million people in the US, there are some wealthy people that like to play.  Well, duh, and I've seen at least one in my town.  If you think there are no rich people playing Pick 3 and 4, you're absolutely wrong.

                 

                "Do you really believe you've seen every single strategy, betting technique and tested them all?"

                 

                No, I never said I have.  I tried to explain why I don't need to (the simple formula I've posted a couple times) along with the concept of variance (which was honestly discussed in longer length in another thread, where Stack, again tried convulute my points about it) and the fact that many thousands of people have tested every type of betting system imaginable, yet over the decades since it's been possible none of them have been revealed to win.

                 

                And in other types of advantage gambling, secrets only last so long before the information gets out to new people.  So I'm overally confident that I dont' have to personally test all these systems, as long as other people have done the work for me.  If you believe that all of that work is wrong, then the burden to prove it is on you.  And hell, if you do that, get rich first.  I know for a fact if I had even a 10 or 20% edge on the Pick 3 over say 100 picks, I'd be a very wealthy man within a year, but I also don't think that's possible.


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                  I think it's fair to say that EITHER

                   

                  1) Nobody has seen one that has beaten a game's math in the long run, at least no gaming mathemetician I've heard of.  If this DID occur, you bet it'd be big news in the gaming world - and as I've stated, 100s, if not thousands, of people have tested all sorts of betting systems.  They don't work for one simple reason.  As long as this forumla for expected value is what it is, betting strategies will only change risk, not house advantage.  (Forumla is [  Wager * Return of bet = EV of bet.  ]

                  or

                   

                  2) Somebody has done this and isn't telling anyone.

                   

                  You decide what you think is more likely.  That somebody secretely found what thousands of mathemticians over time have been saying doesn't work (and in the last few decades, have gotten the processing power to test it, and find that it doesn't work) and is keeping it a secret, or that the matehemticians are right and that betting doesn't affect house edge.  Now, I'm not saying it's unlikey that IF it was found it would remain secret, for a time, but that I am so sure that it will never be done, that I may as well say "it will never be done."

                   

                  But I don't understand how you can say that I can't use words like never, but you can use the word MUST in terms of the guy you mention.  As in "I don't know him, but he MUST be winning, because I would never lose that much."

                   

                  It's hypocritical of you, and I don't really care what you think anymore, since you seem more interested in immaturely calling me names like a couple other people here.  Hopefully, if you read this calmly, you'll understand how ridiculous you sound - even if you disagree with my point.

                  1. Do you really believe someone would go advertising their winning system. I don't believe mathematicians have seen every single system, betting type, and tested them all.

                  2. THANK YOU, you finally get it.

                   

                  No sir, you are the one who sounds rediculous. I use the word "MUST" because of the scenarios I presented earlier. Why do you keep making me repeat myself?

                  For you to claim mathematicians have seen every system in existence and proved ALL of them unworthy makes you look rediculous. Maybe you should record that and replay it and see how it sounds. Seriously !


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                    OnlyMoney,

                    As with Stack47, your NEED TO BELIEVE is too strong a defense against logic.

                    Have fun searching.

                    --Jimmy4164


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                           I would like to know how then members have Predicted for games be it Pick 3 , Pick 4 , Pick5 , Pick 6 and Jackpot games with minumum lines to play in games . That have matched the drawn digits in game play . If it wouldn't be for Systems , Methods or Theories these members would never be able to match at least 1 drawn digit/digits in game . Much less 3 ,4 , 5 or 6 Digits in games .

                      Jimmy , I've Predicted for your States Pick 5 game and Matched 3 out 5 in game with a Minumum amount of lines to play on the next day draw.. Just as a TEST in Predictions Board !!!

                      Jimmy and Boney how is then I have matched in Pick 5 games 2 out 5 , 3 out 5 ,  4 out 5 many of times . I've even had two  5 out 5 matches in 2 states games posted in their Forums ...

                      How dare you? That's impossible according to LORD BONEY and JIMMY. They must be tricks or something. I bet Steve Player is really them in disguise. They may be really rich and get a boner by coming to LP to show off.

                      You have to understand that all the math gurus have tested those people's methods who won on LP, only to prove they don't work, despite your evidence. It's just impossible, haven't you been reading Boney's wise assessments?

                      Green laugh

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                        How dare you? That's impossible according to LORD BONEY and JIMMY. They must be tricks or something. I bet Steve Player is really them in disguise. They may be really rich and get a boner by coming to LP to show off.

                        You have to understand that all the math gurus have tested those people's methods who won on LP, only to prove they don't work, despite your evidence. It's just impossible, haven't you been reading Boney's wise assessments?

                        Green laugh

                        I Promise you this no Math Guru has ever tested my system . The Proof is in the Forums and Prediction Board !!! Very Simple ...


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                          OnlyMoney,

                          As with Stack47, your NEED TO BELIEVE is too strong a defense against logic.

                          Have fun searching.

                          --Jimmy4164

                          No I don't need to believe because I already know. You obviously don't read what I write, or forget after you read it. I wrote that I know two people who make a lot of money and won't tell me how. One is a friend's father who makes about 1 straight hit a week for a few bucks cost with the p-3. He proved it to me with a list of ten combos ahead of the draw. I played those combos and have won. We did this 3 times, and I won those 3 times in 3 weeks. This was many years ago, about 7 or so. He won't tell me how because he believes the only people deserving are people who have food stocks in case of a government take over, or something like that. A real nutcase If you ask me. I tried to convince his daughter who was the friend, to squeeze it out of him but no luck.

                          The other is a real good friend of mine who says his friend makes about 100 grand a year, and he too will not show it to my friend.

                          But believe what you want, I don't care. it's futile to convince hard headed people who think they know everything.


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                            "Does it really make sense that an independantly wealthy person bets the p-4 for fun?"

                             

                            Well if I was independently wealthy I wouldn't play.  But it does make sense that with more than 300 million people in the US, there are some wealthy people that like to play.  Well, duh, and I've seen at least one in my town.  If you think there are no rich people playing Pick 3 and 4, you're absolutely wrong.

                             

                            "Do you really believe you've seen every single strategy, betting technique and tested them all?"

                             

                            No, I never said I have.  I tried to explain why I don't need to (the simple formula I've posted a couple times) along with the concept of variance (which was honestly discussed in longer length in another thread, where Stack, again tried convulute my points about it) and the fact that many thousands of people have tested every type of betting system imaginable, yet over the decades since it's been possible none of them have been revealed to win.

                             

                            And in other types of advantage gambling, secrets only last so long before the information gets out to new people.  So I'm overally confident that I dont' have to personally test all these systems, as long as other people have done the work for me.  If you believe that all of that work is wrong, then the burden to prove it is on you.  And hell, if you do that, get rich first.  I know for a fact if I had even a 10 or 20% edge on the Pick 3 over say 100 picks, I'd be a very wealthy man within a year, but I also don't think that's possible.

                            yes they may play, but not for five years wasting hundreds of thousands or millions as I believe the math to be in order to win 350 grand..

                             

                            Yes you implied that math gurus have tested ALL of the systems out there.

                            So you know for a fact that their secret system eventually gets out. Oh boy, I give up. My head hurts talking to such a genius. I'm not worthy.


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                              I Promise you this no Math Guru has ever tested my system . The Proof is in the Forums and Prediction Board !!! Very Simple ...

                              I was being sarcastic. Strange how they don't respond to that post. I can smell the smoke coming out of their ears while they scramble and dig the barrel for answers. Green laugh

                                 
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