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Megamillions and Powerball Games

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Which Play is the Best Bet?

Powerball [ 9 ]  [24.32%]
Powerball with Powerplay [ 4 ]  [10.81%]
Megamillions [ 12 ]  [32.43%]
Megamillions with Megaplier [ 12 ]  [32.43%]
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RL-RANDOMLOGIC and Stack47,

Well, since RL thinks he knows more than Einstein (check his earlier posts in this thread) about physics and that Evolution is "mathematically impossible," and Stack believes he has a better understanding of gambling odds and payouts than Richard Arnold Epstein and Don Catlin, it would appear I'm being double teamed here by a formidable duo.  I don't think so, however...

...I'm not going to waste more time addressing your postings since my last.  This ground has been covered and recovered too often already. You both have so much time and energy invested in your quest for the Holy Grail that it would take nothing less than multiple sessions of ECT to change your thinking.  I'm not in that business.  It's now clear that you not only don't understand why the frequency of Base-10 Digits in Lottery Draws is completely irrelevant, you also don't understand how Evolution works.  I'm sure your ideas would be welcomed with open arms at the Creation Museum there in Kentucky.  Check it out.  They may even have some staff positions available for you.

Dream on!

--Jimmy4164

P.S. It would be interesting to know how RL will recognize a "Truly Random Event," when he sees one. :-)

"and Stack believes he has a better understanding of gambling odds and payouts than Richard Arnold Epstein and Don Catlin"

I've never discussed or debated gambling odds or payouts with either on LP, but I have with you so try being honest and stop pretending you speak for them. If you were in Catlin's math class, he would make you wear the "dunce hat" because you never quote the odds correctly.

Are you having difficulty answering my simple question?

"Not true. For example, in the Megamillions game, your odds of winning ANYTHING with ONE ticket is 1 in 14.71"

One ticket can either win something or lose. What are the other 13.71 possible outcomes?

That one ticket is either part of the 6.79% that wins something or part of the 93.21% that wins nothing and there are no other outcomes.

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    Posted: March 31, 2014, 12:10 am - IP Logged

    You cannot predict random.

    The probability is 6.79% of all MM QP wagers will win something and 3.14% of all PB QP wagers. Who is predicting random?

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      Posted: March 31, 2014, 12:24 am - IP Logged

      Looks like jimbo has gone into slient mode.  Here is another thing that those interested can consider.

      In plane geometry the sum of the three internal angles of a triangle will always equal 180 degrees. 

      However if one applies a third deminison switching from a 2-D plane to 3-D the sum of the angles will

      will always be greater than 180.  Remove this third deminsion, then the sum of the angles return to

      180.  Maybe jimbo is stuck in 2-D mode.

      RL

      Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

      I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

      they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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        Posted: March 31, 2014, 12:30 am - IP Logged

        The probability is 6.79% of all MM QP wagers will win something and 3.14% of all PB QP wagers. Who is predicting random?

        Stack

        It's funny to me that one holding a certain view can attack the views of others year after year

        and then expect people not to return the favor. 

        RL

        Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

        I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

        they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

        USAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Base_Engineer_Emergency_Force

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          Posted: March 31, 2014, 1:11 am - IP Logged

          jimbo

          you wrote

          Dream on!

          --Jimmy4164

          P.S. It would be interesting to know how RL will recognize a "Truly Random Event," when he sees one. :-)

           

          I will never recognize a random event because random does not exist.  Action and reaction, cause and effect.

          Pseudo random generators are attempts to hide processes.   You mistake obfuscation for random.

          RL

          Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

          I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

          they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

          USAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Base_Engineer_Emergency_Force

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            Posted: March 31, 2014, 1:26 am - IP Logged

            "and Stack believes he has a better understanding of gambling odds and payouts than Richard Arnold Epstein and Don Catlin"

            I've never discussed or debated gambling odds or payouts with either on LP, but I have with you so try being honest and stop pretending you speak for them. If you were in Catlin's math class, he would make you wear the "dunce hat" because you never quote the odds correctly.

            Are you having difficulty answering my simple question?

            "Not true. For example, in the Megamillions game, your odds of winning ANYTHING with ONE ticket is 1 in 14.71"

            One ticket can either win something or lose. What are the other 13.71 possible outcomes?

            That one ticket is either part of the 6.79% that wins something or part of the 93.21% that wins nothing and there are no other outcomes.

            Stack47,

            You said, "I've never discussed or debated gambling odds or payouts with either on LP..."

            Since when is it necessary to debate with a published person "on LP" to conclude that you know more than them?  I don't think it is, and apparently you didn't either when you made this remark last summer...

            "I taught Catlin how to play Craps but he still makes those hard way bets."

            https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/258205/3168858

            --Jimmy4164

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              Posted: March 31, 2014, 7:23 am - IP Logged

              Everybody knows playing the lottery is a sucker's bet, but for me personally, it's all about the fun.

              I'm well aware of the math/odds/what-have-you, but I could not care less. Will I win a jackpot? Probably not. But if I do, the personal gratification I'll get from knowing I won one will make it that much sweeter.

              The only thing I do know for sure about playing is this: I absolutely will not win anything if I dont buy a ticket. 

              Sorry but I gotta run.  It's time to pick my numbers for tonites New York Sweet Million drawing.

              About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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                Everybody knows playing the lottery is a sucker's bet, but for me personally, it's all about the fun.

                I'm well aware of the math/odds/what-have-you, but I could not care less. Will I win a jackpot? Probably not. But if I do, the personal gratification I'll get from knowing I won one will make it that much sweeter.

                The only thing I do know for sure about playing is this: I absolutely will not win anything if I dont buy a ticket. 

                Sorry but I gotta run.  It's time to pick my numbers for tonites New York Sweet Million drawing.

                YOU WILL NEVER WIN A LOTTERY JACKPOT IN YOUR LIFETIME.

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                  Posted: March 31, 2014, 9:13 am - IP Logged

                  Thrifty, your wrong about this one, I already have.

                  RL

                  I did not know that you have won the Mega Millions and Powerball lottery jackpot. You are very lucky.

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                    Posted: March 31, 2014, 9:14 am - IP Logged

                    The probability is 6.79% of all MM QP wagers will win something and 3.14% of all PB QP wagers. Who is predicting random?

                    Probability is the study of randomness.

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                      Posted: March 31, 2014, 11:25 am - IP Logged

                      Thrifty

                      I did not say that I won PB and/or MM jackpots, the only time I play these games is as part of a pool.

                      RL

                      Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

                      I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

                      they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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                        Thrifty

                        I did not say that I won PB and/or MM jackpots, the only time I play these games is as part of a pool.

                        RL

                        YOU WILL NEVER WIN A MEGA MLLIONS AND POWERBALL LOTTERY JACKPOT IN YOUR LIFETIME.LOL

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                          Posted: March 31, 2014, 12:07 pm - IP Logged

                          Some here may not know what I mean by pseudo random drawings following the population and distribution

                          of the matrix.  Here are a few examples.

                          In my 5-39 cash game there are 428, 973 sets in the matrix that have either 5 or 6 digit lines.  In the last

                          1000 games there have been 745 sets drawn that have either 5 or 6 digits. 

                           

                          Actual draws

                          745/1000= 74.5%

                          total within 5-39 matrix

                          428,973/575757= 74.5%

                          It seems that random is very good at mimicking the matrix. 

                           

                          Lets look at the population and distribution of sets with 2 or 3 odd numbers for the last 1000 games

                          Actual draws

                          675 / 1000 = 67.5%

                          Total possable within 5-39 matrix

                          379959/575757=65.8%

                           

                          Pseudo random number generators selecting from a finite pool of sets will mimic the population and distribution

                          of the pool.  This being said we can know in advance how many of some value will show which can give us a edge

                          in playing.  When I say that if you play sets with fewer than 5 or more than 6 total digits for a fair 5-39 matrix then 

                          you have zero, zip, nada chance of hitting a JP 7.4 out of 10 or 74.5 out of every 100 tickets you buy.  The odds for

                          matching all 5 numbers is 1 in 575757 and never changes.  It's not the odds for the game that are questioned here

                          but how one chooses to play the game.  It is true that any set of numbers can and will hit if the game is allowed to

                          continue but having a 1 in 575757 chance is infinitely larger than zero chance.  Knowing this maybe won't put you

                          in the winners circle in the next drawing but could give you insight in how to better place your bets.

                          Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

                          I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

                          they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

                          USAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Base_Engineer_Emergency_Force

                            US Flag Trump / 2016 & 2020  

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                            Thrifty

                            The odds would agree with you 100%, however I will give it my best shot and hope for the best.

                             

                            RL

                            Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

                            I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

                            they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

                            USAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Base_Engineer_Emergency_Force

                              US Flag Trump / 2016 & 2020  


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                              If we left the Numbers on the Balls, the Odds, and the Payouts for a given game as they are but randomly colored 75% of the balls RED and the other 25% BLUE, would you avoid betting on the BLUE balls because they are less likely to be drawn?

                                 
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