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# What are the odds

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The Quantum Master
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We're reposting with a little change for Odds calculation.

Factorial - n! = n · (n -1) · (n - 2) · ... · 3 · 2 · 1 and 0! = 1

Permutation - P(n, r) = n! / (n - r)!

Combination - C(n, r) = P(n, r) / r!

Probability of Win - Wp(n, r, w) = (C(r, w) · C(n - r, r - w)) / C(n, r)

Odds to Win - Wo(n, r, w) is 1 in (1 - Wp(n, r, w)) / Wp(n, r, w)

n - total numbers in lottery pool
r - pick size from the pool of numbers
w - winning drawn numbers in a played combo

For a game like Powerball and Mega Millions, the Probability of Win and Odds to Win can be calculated as follows:

Probability of Win for Pick 5 part - Wp5(n5, 5, w5) = (C(5, w5) · C(n5 - 5, 5 - w5)) / C(n5, 5)
Probability of Win for Pick 1 part - Wp1(n1, 1, 1) = (C(1, 1) · C(n1 - 1, 1 - 1)) / C(n1, 1)
Probability of No Win for Pick 1 part - Wpno1(n1, 1, 0) = (C(1, 0) · C(n1 - 1, 1 - 0)) / C(n1, 1)

Probability of Win for Pick 5 and Pick 1 - Wp5&1(n5, w5, n1) = Wp5(n5, 5, w5) · Wp1(n1, 1, 1)
Probability of Win for Pick 5 and No Pick 1 - Wp5&no1(n5, w5, n1) = Wp5(n5, 5, w5) · Wpno1(n1, 1, 0)

Odds of Win for Pick 5 part - Wo5(n5, 5, w5) is 1 in (1 - Wp5(n5, 5, w5)) / Wp5(n5, 5, w5)
Odds of Win for Pick 1 part - Wo1(n1, 1, 1) is 1 in (1 - Wp1(n1, 1, 1)) / Wp1(n1, 1, 1)
Odds of No Win for Pick 1 part - Wono1(n1, 1, 0) is 1 in (1 - Wpno1(n1, 1, 0)) / Wpno1(n1, 1, 0)

Odds of Win for Pick 5 and Pick 1 - Wo5&1(n5, w5, n1) is 1 in (1 - Wp5&1(n5, w5, n1)) / Wp5&1(n5, w5, n1)
Odds of Win for Pick 5 and No Pick 1 - Wo5&no1(n5, w5, n1) is 1 in (1 - Wp5&no1(n5, w5, n1)) / Wp5&no1(n5, w5, n1)

n5 - total numbers in the Pick 5 part of the Powerball or Mega Millions lottery pool
n1 - total numbers in the Pick 1 part of the Powerball or Mega Ball pool
w5 - winning drawn Powerball or Mega Millions Pick 5 numbers in a played combo

Some of these can be reduced, we are just showing the plug in values.

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This is a bit off topic but wanted to ask if you ever applied your wave analysis to the lexie.

A 5-39 has 6 lexie digits and the way I play them is to play every possible 1st digit which

gives me 6 lines.  0 to 5

The remaining 5 digits could be analyzed one position at a time or as pairs etc...     Below is a

small history for my 5-39.  I have switched to playing lexie's  as it does not require filtering.

If I manage all 6 lexie digits then I have a 5of5 on 6 lines.  It's also possible to miss all 6 digits

and still hit a 4of5 or any other lower prize.  When playing numbers every number we miss we

drop a prize level.  I also pad the lexie with zeros for format reasons.

Anyway, been wanting to ask for a long time just never got around to it.

RL

Lexies by position             Lexie 3-stage code

DAY  DATE       NUMBERS            A B C D E F G H I J K L M   P-A P-B P-C P-D P-E P-F
___________________________________________________________________________
WED  04/30/14   01 13 15 22 31     0 5 6 6 9 7 , , , , , , ,   121|212|222|222|312|311
TUE  04/29/14   15 22 27 37 38     5 3 0 6 5 1 , , , , , , ,   212|211|121|222|212|111
MON  04/28/14   06 08 15 20 31     3 0 4 7 5 3 , , , , , , ,   211|121|221|311|212|211
SUN  04/27/14   04 09 11 18 20     2 2 0 2 1 5 , , , , , , ,   122|122|121|122|111|212
SAT  04/26/14   19 20 26 27 33     5 5 6 0 1 9 , , , , , , ,   212|212|222|121|111|312
FRI  04/25/14   05 19 21 29 35     2 9 1 7 9 1 , , , , , , ,   122|312|111|311|312|111
THU  04/24/14   03 23 33 36 39     1 9 6 9 2 2 , , , , , , ,   111|312|222|312|122|122
WED  04/23/14   07 10 11 37 38     3 4 7 3 5 2 , , , , , , ,   211|221|311|211|212|122
TUE  04/22/14   04 11 32 38 39     2 3 0 6 1 5 , , , , , , ,   122|211|121|222|111|212
MON  04/21/14   01 02 07 30 35     0 0 2 7 7 0 , , , , , , ,   121|121|122|311|311|121
SUN  04/20/14   02 03 05 27 30     0 7 4 8 9 6 , , , , , , ,   121|311|221|321|312|222
SAT  04/19/14   05 16 32 36 39     2 8 8 6 0 8 , , , , , , ,   122|321|321|222|121|321
FRI  04/18/14   01 11 25 30 31     0 5 2 9 3 2 , , , , , , ,   121|212|122|312|211|122
THU  04/17/14   06 23 25 31 33     3 3 6 2 0 3 , , , , , , ,   211|211|222|122|121|211
WED  04/16/14   02 09 13 19 32     1 0 9 6 5 8 , , , , , , ,   111|121|312|222|212|321
TUE  04/15/14   13 14 24 32 33     4 9 6 8 4 5 , , , , , , ,   221|312|222|321|221|212
MON  04/14/14   05 08 14 27 37     2 6 3 6 6 8 , , , , , , ,   122|222|211|222|222|321
SUN  04/13/14   04 16 22 24 36     2 4 1 4 8 2 , , , , , , ,   122|221|111|221|321|122
SAT  04/12/14   03 12 15 27 35     1 7 9 1 2 1 , , , , , , ,   111|311|312|111|122|111
FRI  04/11/14   04 09 23 36 38     2 2 3 1 5 6 , , , , , , ,   122|122|211|111|212|222
THU  04/10/14   03 14 26 29 39     1 8 5 7 8 4 , , , , , , ,   111|321|212|311|321|221
WED  04/09/14   09 13 15 31 33     4 1 6 2 4 3 , , , , , , ,   221|111|222|122|221|211
TUE  04/08/14   01 17 24 26 27     0 6 5 9 5 5 , , , , , , ,   121|222|212|312|212|212
MON  04/07/14   10 14 15 21 38     4 4 2 1 7 4 , , , , , , ,   221|221|122|111|311|221
SUN  04/06/14   06 24 26 37 39     3 3 6 7 6 9 , , , , , , ,   211|211|222|311|222|312
SAT  04/05/14   04 13 14 21 32     2 3 3 7 1 5 , , , , , , ,   122|211|211|311|111|212
FRI  04/04/14   07 19 26 30 31     3 6 9 2 0 6 , , , , , , ,   211|222|312|122|121|222
THU  04/03/14   08 16 21 22 27     3 9 6 0 2 7 , , , , , , ,   211|312|222|121|122|311
WED  04/02/14   01 12 19 21 30     0 5 4 9 6 3 , , , , , , ,   121|212|221|312|222|211
TUE  04/01/14   03 04 12 29 32     1 4 3 4 2 8 , , , , , , ,   111|221|211|221|122|321
MON  03/31/14   11 16 20 36 38     4 6 7 6 4 9 , , , , , , ,   221|222|311|222|221|312
SUN  03/30/14   05 07 08 13 36     2 5 6 7 1 8 , , , , , , ,   122|212|222|311|111|321
SAT  03/29/14   02 12 18 33 35     1 2 0 9 6 1 , , , , , , ,   111|122|121|312|222|111
FRI  03/28/14   17 24 28 34 39     5 4 7 8 8 3 , , , , , , ,   212|221|311|321|321|211
THU  03/27/14   10 12 24 34 39     4 3 8 9 8 7 , , , , , , ,   221|211|321|312|321|311
WED  03/26/14   06 21 30 32 35     3 3 5 2 5 2 , , , , , , ,   211|211|212|122|212|122

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This is a bit off topic but wanted to ask if you ever applied your wave analysis to the lexie.

A 5-39 has 6 lexie digits and the way I play them is to play every possible 1st digit which

gives me 6 lines.  0 to 5

The remaining 5 digits could be analyzed one position at a time or as pairs etc...     Below is a

small history for my 5-39.  I have switched to playing lexie's  as it does not require filtering.

If I manage all 6 lexie digits then I have a 5of5 on 6 lines.  It's also possible to miss all 6 digits

and still hit a 4of5 or any other lower prize.  When playing numbers every number we miss we

drop a prize level.  I also pad the lexie with zeros for format reasons.

Anyway, been wanting to ask for a long time just never got around to it.

RL

Lexies by position             Lexie 3-stage code

DAY  DATE       NUMBERS            A B C D E F G H I J K L M   P-A P-B P-C P-D P-E P-F
___________________________________________________________________________
WED  04/30/14   01 13 15 22 31     0 5 6 6 9 7 , , , , , , ,   121|212|222|222|312|311
TUE  04/29/14   15 22 27 37 38     5 3 0 6 5 1 , , , , , , ,   212|211|121|222|212|111
MON  04/28/14   06 08 15 20 31     3 0 4 7 5 3 , , , , , , ,   211|121|221|311|212|211
SUN  04/27/14   04 09 11 18 20     2 2 0 2 1 5 , , , , , , ,   122|122|121|122|111|212
SAT  04/26/14   19 20 26 27 33     5 5 6 0 1 9 , , , , , , ,   212|212|222|121|111|312
FRI  04/25/14   05 19 21 29 35     2 9 1 7 9 1 , , , , , , ,   122|312|111|311|312|111
THU  04/24/14   03 23 33 36 39     1 9 6 9 2 2 , , , , , , ,   111|312|222|312|122|122
WED  04/23/14   07 10 11 37 38     3 4 7 3 5 2 , , , , , , ,   211|221|311|211|212|122
TUE  04/22/14   04 11 32 38 39     2 3 0 6 1 5 , , , , , , ,   122|211|121|222|111|212
MON  04/21/14   01 02 07 30 35     0 0 2 7 7 0 , , , , , , ,   121|121|122|311|311|121
SUN  04/20/14   02 03 05 27 30     0 7 4 8 9 6 , , , , , , ,   121|311|221|321|312|222
SAT  04/19/14   05 16 32 36 39     2 8 8 6 0 8 , , , , , , ,   122|321|321|222|121|321
FRI  04/18/14   01 11 25 30 31     0 5 2 9 3 2 , , , , , , ,   121|212|122|312|211|122
THU  04/17/14   06 23 25 31 33     3 3 6 2 0 3 , , , , , , ,   211|211|222|122|121|211
WED  04/16/14   02 09 13 19 32     1 0 9 6 5 8 , , , , , , ,   111|121|312|222|212|321
TUE  04/15/14   13 14 24 32 33     4 9 6 8 4 5 , , , , , , ,   221|312|222|321|221|212
MON  04/14/14   05 08 14 27 37     2 6 3 6 6 8 , , , , , , ,   122|222|211|222|222|321
SUN  04/13/14   04 16 22 24 36     2 4 1 4 8 2 , , , , , , ,   122|221|111|221|321|122
SAT  04/12/14   03 12 15 27 35     1 7 9 1 2 1 , , , , , , ,   111|311|312|111|122|111
FRI  04/11/14   04 09 23 36 38     2 2 3 1 5 6 , , , , , , ,   122|122|211|111|212|222
THU  04/10/14   03 14 26 29 39     1 8 5 7 8 4 , , , , , , ,   111|321|212|311|321|221
WED  04/09/14   09 13 15 31 33     4 1 6 2 4 3 , , , , , , ,   221|111|222|122|221|211
TUE  04/08/14   01 17 24 26 27     0 6 5 9 5 5 , , , , , , ,   121|222|212|312|212|212
MON  04/07/14   10 14 15 21 38     4 4 2 1 7 4 , , , , , , ,   221|221|122|111|311|221
SUN  04/06/14   06 24 26 37 39     3 3 6 7 6 9 , , , , , , ,   211|211|222|311|222|312
SAT  04/05/14   04 13 14 21 32     2 3 3 7 1 5 , , , , , , ,   122|211|211|311|111|212
FRI  04/04/14   07 19 26 30 31     3 6 9 2 0 6 , , , , , , ,   211|222|312|122|121|222
THU  04/03/14   08 16 21 22 27     3 9 6 0 2 7 , , , , , , ,   211|312|222|121|122|311
WED  04/02/14   01 12 19 21 30     0 5 4 9 6 3 , , , , , , ,   121|212|221|312|222|211
TUE  04/01/14   03 04 12 29 32     1 4 3 4 2 8 , , , , , , ,   111|221|211|221|122|321
MON  03/31/14   11 16 20 36 38     4 6 7 6 4 9 , , , , , , ,   221|222|311|222|221|312
SUN  03/30/14   05 07 08 13 36     2 5 6 7 1 8 , , , , , , ,   122|212|222|311|111|321
SAT  03/29/14   02 12 18 33 35     1 2 0 9 6 1 , , , , , , ,   111|122|121|312|222|111
FRI  03/28/14   17 24 28 34 39     5 4 7 8 8 3 , , , , , , ,   212|221|311|321|321|211
THU  03/27/14   10 12 24 34 39     4 3 8 9 8 7 , , , , , , ,   221|211|321|312|321|311
WED  03/26/14   06 21 30 32 35     3 3 5 2 5 2 , , , , , , ,   211|211|212|122|212|122

Dear RL RANDOM

Can you please explain how one can convert numbers to lexie digits?

You can pm me the information if it will distract from this thread.

Thank you.

The Quantum Master
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Dear RL RANDOM

Can you please explain how one can convert numbers to lexie digits?

You can pm me the information if it will distract from this thread.

Thank you.

I've been going back to research on this, too.

Try RL's post to this topic: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/262907/3134184

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Dr June

I have a bunch of tools for the lexie and will be uploading something in the next week or so.  Below is a little

tool that allows the user to wheel lexie digits by position.  This tool allows the user to set as few or as many

of the digits they want and it will wheel the lexie into number sets.  It's very simple but it offers a nice way

to play around with the lexie.  Check back every few days for the link.

RL

P.S. this tool can handle any pick-4, 5 or 6 with a pool size up to 99 numbers.

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I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

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Here is a pic of a run where I set the first five digits and let the 6th run wild.  This type of setup will produce

10 lines.  This is sort of a backtest as I already knew the correct digits.  The set I was testing 06-11-26-31-35.

This is my dream setup.  I have been working on different methods for predicting the digits but so far not making

much headway.  I hope Jade has a few things that might help out.

Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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This is a bit off topic but wanted to ask if you ever applied your wave analysis to the lexie.

A 5-39 has 6 lexie digits and the way I play them is to play every possible 1st digit which

gives me 6 lines.  0 to 5

The remaining 5 digits could be analyzed one position at a time or as pairs etc...     Below is a

small history for my 5-39.  I have switched to playing lexie's  as it does not require filtering.

If I manage all 6 lexie digits then I have a 5of5 on 6 lines.  It's also possible to miss all 6 digits

and still hit a 4of5 or any other lower prize.  When playing numbers every number we miss we

drop a prize level.  I also pad the lexie with zeros for format reasons.

Anyway, been wanting to ask for a long time just never got around to it.

RL

Lexies by position             Lexie 3-stage code

DAY  DATE       NUMBERS            A B C D E F G H I J K L M   P-A P-B P-C P-D P-E P-F
___________________________________________________________________________
WED  04/30/14   01 13 15 22 31     0 5 6 6 9 7 , , , , , , ,   121|212|222|222|312|311
TUE  04/29/14   15 22 27 37 38     5 3 0 6 5 1 , , , , , , ,   212|211|121|222|212|111
MON  04/28/14   06 08 15 20 31     3 0 4 7 5 3 , , , , , , ,   211|121|221|311|212|211
SUN  04/27/14   04 09 11 18 20     2 2 0 2 1 5 , , , , , , ,   122|122|121|122|111|212
SAT  04/26/14   19 20 26 27 33     5 5 6 0 1 9 , , , , , , ,   212|212|222|121|111|312
FRI  04/25/14   05 19 21 29 35     2 9 1 7 9 1 , , , , , , ,   122|312|111|311|312|111
THU  04/24/14   03 23 33 36 39     1 9 6 9 2 2 , , , , , , ,   111|312|222|312|122|122
WED  04/23/14   07 10 11 37 38     3 4 7 3 5 2 , , , , , , ,   211|221|311|211|212|122
TUE  04/22/14   04 11 32 38 39     2 3 0 6 1 5 , , , , , , ,   122|211|121|222|111|212
MON  04/21/14   01 02 07 30 35     0 0 2 7 7 0 , , , , , , ,   121|121|122|311|311|121
SUN  04/20/14   02 03 05 27 30     0 7 4 8 9 6 , , , , , , ,   121|311|221|321|312|222
SAT  04/19/14   05 16 32 36 39     2 8 8 6 0 8 , , , , , , ,   122|321|321|222|121|321
FRI  04/18/14   01 11 25 30 31     0 5 2 9 3 2 , , , , , , ,   121|212|122|312|211|122
THU  04/17/14   06 23 25 31 33     3 3 6 2 0 3 , , , , , , ,   211|211|222|122|121|211
WED  04/16/14   02 09 13 19 32     1 0 9 6 5 8 , , , , , , ,   111|121|312|222|212|321
TUE  04/15/14   13 14 24 32 33     4 9 6 8 4 5 , , , , , , ,   221|312|222|321|221|212
MON  04/14/14   05 08 14 27 37     2 6 3 6 6 8 , , , , , , ,   122|222|211|222|222|321
SUN  04/13/14   04 16 22 24 36     2 4 1 4 8 2 , , , , , , ,   122|221|111|221|321|122
SAT  04/12/14   03 12 15 27 35     1 7 9 1 2 1 , , , , , , ,   111|311|312|111|122|111
FRI  04/11/14   04 09 23 36 38     2 2 3 1 5 6 , , , , , , ,   122|122|211|111|212|222
THU  04/10/14   03 14 26 29 39     1 8 5 7 8 4 , , , , , , ,   111|321|212|311|321|221
WED  04/09/14   09 13 15 31 33     4 1 6 2 4 3 , , , , , , ,   221|111|222|122|221|211
TUE  04/08/14   01 17 24 26 27     0 6 5 9 5 5 , , , , , , ,   121|222|212|312|212|212
MON  04/07/14   10 14 15 21 38     4 4 2 1 7 4 , , , , , , ,   221|221|122|111|311|221
SUN  04/06/14   06 24 26 37 39     3 3 6 7 6 9 , , , , , , ,   211|211|222|311|222|312
SAT  04/05/14   04 13 14 21 32     2 3 3 7 1 5 , , , , , , ,   122|211|211|311|111|212
FRI  04/04/14   07 19 26 30 31     3 6 9 2 0 6 , , , , , , ,   211|222|312|122|121|222
THU  04/03/14   08 16 21 22 27     3 9 6 0 2 7 , , , , , , ,   211|312|222|121|122|311
WED  04/02/14   01 12 19 21 30     0 5 4 9 6 3 , , , , , , ,   121|212|221|312|222|211
TUE  04/01/14   03 04 12 29 32     1 4 3 4 2 8 , , , , , , ,   111|221|211|221|122|321
MON  03/31/14   11 16 20 36 38     4 6 7 6 4 9 , , , , , , ,   221|222|311|222|221|312
SUN  03/30/14   05 07 08 13 36     2 5 6 7 1 8 , , , , , , ,   122|212|222|311|111|321
SAT  03/29/14   02 12 18 33 35     1 2 0 9 6 1 , , , , , , ,   111|122|121|312|222|111
FRI  03/28/14   17 24 28 34 39     5 4 7 8 8 3 , , , , , , ,   212|221|311|321|321|211
THU  03/27/14   10 12 24 34 39     4 3 8 9 8 7 , , , , , , ,   221|211|321|312|321|311
WED  03/26/14   06 21 30 32 35     3 3 5 2 5 2 , , , , , , ,   211|211|212|122|212|122

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What you're seeing as a bias in the A column of the Lexicographic representation of the 5 of 39 combinations may be due to a combinatorial aberration.

Combinatorial Fractalization may be a good approach to solving this problem.

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Dr June

I have a bunch of tools for the lexie and will be uploading something in the next week or so.  Below is a little

tool that allows the user to wheel lexie digits by position.  This tool allows the user to set as few or as many

of the digits they want and it will wheel the lexie into number sets.  It's very simple but it offers a nice way

to play around with the lexie.  Check back every few days for the link.

RL

P.S. this tool can handle any pick-4, 5 or 6 with a pool size up to 99 numbers.

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RL is proposing that a full-lotto system, like it is sold locally as quickpick, is making more chances to win.
I thought also that, if you don't know the future outcome, you can choose this playing style.

A way to play 25 numbers would be to write them down in 5 rows, than play the columns and rows.
Every number would be played twice, and you cannot play this in a more spread way with 10 combinations.

I am curious what you all are proposing as fully automated choice to play with goal to win. Could number picking be automated and produce more winning tickets?

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SergeM

Below are two side by side test for Number vs Digits.  The test sets could have been any 5
numbers taken from the pool of numbers that were in play.  The first test used 25 numbers
and the second 24 numbers.  When I ran the 25 number digit test I had to add a extra number
because 6 digits only represent 24 so that both test would be equal but by adding the extra
number to the digits it took away from the digit system because it added another digit which
both increased the number of lines and affected format principle of the digit system.  You can
see by the results that the digits still out performed the numbers.  Digits have a formatting
effect on the overall which if the correct digits are selected and in play will give better
overall results.

playing 25 numbers 53,130 total lines        playing digits 1-2-3-5-6-8 + the number 4 so                                                    that both games are even at 25 numbers

Side by side Test #1
_______________________________________________________________________________________________
test set = 01-02-03-04-05                    test set = 03-16-25-32-38

2of5=11400 and 53130/11400=5.537             2of5=2051 and 8877/2051=4.328
3of5= 1900 and 53130/ 1900=27.963            3of5= 496 and 8877/ 496=17.897
4of5=  100 and 53130/  100=531.3             4of5=  46 and 8877/  46=192.978
5of5=    1 and 53130/    1=53,130            4of4=   1 and 8877/   1=8877
_________________________________            _______________________________
total = 13401  53130/13401=3.964             total = 2594  8877/2594=  3.422

===============================================================================================

playing 24 numbers 42,504 total lines        playing digits 1-2-3-5-6-8, = 24 6 digit numbers
total lines = 5421

Side by side Test #2
_______________________________________________________________________________________________
test set = 01-02-03-04-05                    test set = 03-16-25-32-38

2of5= 9690 and 42504/9690=4.386              2of5=1371 and 5421/1371=3.395
3of5= 1710 and 42504/1710=24.856             3of5= 408 and 5421/ 408=13.286
4of5=   95 and 42504/  95=447.41             4of5=  44 and 5421/  44=123.20
5of5=    1 and 42504/   1=42504              5of5=   1 and 5421/   1=5421
_________________________________            _______________________________
total = 11496  42504/11496=3.697             total = 1824  5421/1824=  2.972

Notice that the difference between playing 24 and 25 overall is 3.694 vs 3.697 a difference
of .003 but Playing 25 vs 24 numbers increased the total lines by 10,626. This is another
topic all to it's self so I won't get into it.

RL

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they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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Got to lve Yin and Yang. Keep on keeping on RL

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Mistake edited

At the bottom of my last post I reversed the first two decimal values in the 3.694 it should have been 3.964

and the difference should be 3.964-3.697=.267 not .003.  Sorry for the mistake.

RL

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Hi all

It's taking a bit more time for the 3 part as I have to figure out a pen and paper method of reducing  the sets.

I have come up with a couple that are simple but ones needs to be able to make some counts that would be

very hard without software.   I will most likely have to write a tool and post it for download but that means it

will take even more time.  What I will most likely do is build a small program that will allow one to enter the

digits they want to play and the program will produce a sorted list of numbers from which the user will need

to select one or two from each line.

Here is an example for playing digits  1-2-3 + 5-7-8 for my 5-39.

_____________________________________________________

01-02-03-11-12-13                    <- select 1 or 2 from this group

12-13-21-23-31-32                    <- select 1 or 2 from this group

05-06-08                                    <- select 0 or 1 from this group

15-16-18-25-26-28-35-36-38    <- select 2 from this group

_____________________________________________________

Each set the user builds must use all 6 digits at least once.  One can create 4 lines without using any number

more than once.  This method takes around 8 lines to cover all the numbers.  If the initial digits selected are

correct then this will produce some nice wins.  You can build more lines which will increase the overall wins on

average but I recommend playing no more than 12 lines.   A 5 digit setup will be a bit different.  This tool will

not require a database but the user should maintain a history of about 20 games to use in selecting the digits

they will put into play.

The groups above are sorted by the number of times each number shows in the first digit run.  Below is a list

of the totals for a 6 digit run using digits 1-2-3+5-6-8.  Notice that there are 4 totals, 580, 776, 1310 and 1671.

Using the method above will format the lines in such a way that it decreases the match-0 and match-1 lines and

increases the ratio of winning tickets vs possible lines.  There are 684 possible lines that can be built using this

method from the 5421 we started with.  Keep in mind that to do well your digit selections must be very close to

those drawn.   Some might say that there is no advantage in playing digits but take a look at earlier post where

I showed the side by side analysis.  Both used 24 numbers and one could be hand picked or randomly selected

and the other used digits to select 24 numbers to put into play.  The results as calculated assumed a 5of5 match

in the next draw.  The digit-based 24 numbers out perform a regular 24 number selection in every test I have

ever ran.   The reason for this is set formatting.   We must remember that only one line will be drawn so why work

from a list of over 42,000 lines when we can get better results from 5421 lines.  It's not that the 5 numbers drawn

are more likely to come from the 24 digit-based numbers then they are to come from the hand picked numbers as

both have the exact same chances for 5 correct numbers.   It's a matter of the overall chances for one over the other.

This is similar to wheeling numbers but IMHO produces better tickets.

[01]= 580
[02]= 580
[03]= 580
[05]=1310
[06]=1310
[08]=1310
[11]= 580
[12]= 776
[13]= 776
[15]=1671
[16]=1671
[18]=1671
[21]= 776
[22]= 580
[23]= 776
[25]=1671
[26]=1671
[28]=1671
[31]= 776
[32]= 776
[33]= 580
[35]=1671
[36]=1671
[38]=1671

RL

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they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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Hi all

I hope to have time to build the tool mentioned above sometime this week.

RL

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I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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I read that quickly. You could filter the past drawings by user input.

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