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New York instant scratch off tickets - new tickets with less odds to win

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Posted: June 13, 2015, 2:43 pm - IP Logged

Until recently the $5.00 tickets had six numbers and twelve chances to win. Now it's five numbers and twelve chances to win.

The $10.00 tickets had ten numbers and fifteen chances to win.  That still hasn't changed but no doubt in the near future it will, as a new $20.00 ticket has come out with NINE numbers instead of ten.

Last night bought two $20.00 tickets, 001 - 002. Losers. Went back and bought two more, 003 - 004. Losers.

Went back and bought two more, 005 - 006. 005 was a loser. 006 had the 20X symbol. I was jumping for joy thinking I finally hit it big!!

Underneath the 20X symbol was the cash prize. $5.00. Total win was $100.00.

I'm happy that I won a hundred bucks but at the same time, a 20X symbol on a $20.00 ticket - I was already on that cruise, lol.

Anyone else notice that the odds to win on the newer tickets have decreased?

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    Posted: June 13, 2015, 7:07 pm - IP Logged

    Not sure about odds but i can tell you our tickets are really pathetic. Yes that's a $8 win on a $5 ticket. How do they even come up with that. A State that profits billions can't go another 2 bucks.

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      Posted: June 13, 2015, 8:03 pm - IP Logged

      That really is pathetic! If it was a $5 ticket that had something to do with eights that'd be different but in this case it makes absolutely no sense to offer an $8 prize.

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        Posted: June 13, 2015, 8:25 pm - IP Logged

        Our tickets are bad,the odds on the new $10 bingo ticket are a JOKE. Just look at that nosedive after the $30 prize. So it would take me 16 rolls to win a $60 prize. lol

         

         

        $10
        1 in: 13.33
        $20
        1 in: 10.00
        $30
        1 in: 13.33
        $50
        1 in: 412.00
        $60
        1 in: 829.53
        $100
        1 in: 659.20
        $250
        1 in: 2,060.00
        $300
        1 in: 6,180.00
        $500
        1 in: 3,582.61
        $2,500
        1 in: 16,480.00
        $5,000
        1 in: 49,440.00
        $500,000
        1 in: 1,050,600.00
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          Posted: June 14, 2015, 11:40 am - IP Logged

          Those odds are the worst I've ever seen on a ten dollar ticket. The NYS lottery should be embarrassed to release a new ticket with those odds.

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            Posted: June 14, 2015, 2:48 pm - IP Logged

            Our tickets are bad,the odds on the new $10 bingo ticket are a JOKE. Just look at that nosedive after the $30 prize. So it would take me 16 rolls to win a $60 prize. lol

             

             

            $10
            1 in: 13.33
            $20
            1 in: 10.00
            $30
            1 in: 13.33
            $50
            1 in: 412.00
            $60
            1 in: 829.53
            $100
            1 in: 659.20
            $250
            1 in: 2,060.00
            $300
            1 in: 6,180.00
            $500
            1 in: 3,582.61
            $2,500
            1 in: 16,480.00
            $5,000
            1 in: 49,440.00
            $500,000
            1 in: 1,050,600.00

            Holy crap those are terrible odds for a $10 game.  I don't think I've ever seen any that bad.  Hopefully they have some sort of second chance raffle gimmick like other states.

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              Posted: June 14, 2015, 5:50 pm - IP Logged

              There is no second chance raffle for this game. Someone in the lottery commission messed up big time with this game. Do they really think that people will shell out ten bucks for a 1 in over 800 chance of winning sixty bucks???

              And the top prize is $500,000. Even the five dollars cards have a million dollar top prize.

              I've seen very few people buy this card and hopefully this limited edition will go away soon.

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                Posted: June 14, 2015, 8:41 pm - IP Logged

                Omg! This is just some kind of a joke from the lottery. They checking if lottery players dumb enough to buy this ticket. Wtf whats the point to throw 10 bucks if the maximum you realistically may win is 20 bucks!

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                  Posted: June 22, 2015, 7:01 pm - IP Logged

                  long time lurker to the forums but here is a very long post explaining everything

                   

                  1. the only $20 w $5 prizes is the 10k week for life, the hit 5m that was recently retired has a $10 minimum (as well as the $30 ticket), and the 100x cash has a $20 minimum
                  2. bingo overall payout is 63.8%, average for a $10 ticket around 72% so yes it is bad, but only slightly over 4 million tickets printed but criminal how bad the odds are on that one (worse than winner wonderland over xmas which had payout of slightly over 66% and lucky 7s playbook that is around 65%)
                  3. for the $20 w 9 numbers - notice that the winning and your numbers only go up to 44, before they went up to 50
                  4. for the $5s w 5 numbers - same thing, only goes up to 24 and previously went up to 30
                  5. now for cash king - has a 67% payoff BUT only 916 tickets out of the 10,382,400 printed have winning prizes of $300 or above (no that is not a typo, there are 4 1M, 30 5k, 126 1500, 126 500, and 630 300 prizes) - anyone who plays that game is just throwing their money away (did hit 30 the first week it came out but haven't played since the first top prize was claimed in the first week)
                  6. the lotto draw game is a ripoff
                  7. NY has switched to a 6 week cycle in between games so no new tickets until likely July 21 - significantly cut back after this batch of tickets was released
                  8. about the 60x cash, also weird no $100 prize but an $80 prize, have hit $80 4 times now but nothing more than that - very hard to hit anything higher than that
                  9. monopoly millionaires club is a joke - 64 claim center prizes and 64.2% payback
                  10. they really need to get more creative w the $5+ tickets, getting tired of seeing the coin, 5x, and 10x on every new ticket that comes out

                   

                  rant over

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                    Posted: June 22, 2015, 7:49 pm - IP Logged

                    long time lurker to the forums but here is a very long post explaining everything

                     

                    1. the only $20 w $5 prizes is the 10k week for life, the hit 5m that was recently retired has a $10 minimum (as well as the $30 ticket), and the 100x cash has a $20 minimum
                    2. bingo overall payout is 63.8%, average for a $10 ticket around 72% so yes it is bad, but only slightly over 4 million tickets printed but criminal how bad the odds are on that one (worse than winner wonderland over xmas which had payout of slightly over 66% and lucky 7s playbook that is around 65%)
                    3. for the $20 w 9 numbers - notice that the winning and your numbers only go up to 44, before they went up to 50
                    4. for the $5s w 5 numbers - same thing, only goes up to 24 and previously went up to 30
                    5. now for cash king - has a 67% payoff BUT only 916 tickets out of the 10,382,400 printed have winning prizes of $300 or above (no that is not a typo, there are 4 1M, 30 5k, 126 1500, 126 500, and 630 300 prizes) - anyone who plays that game is just throwing their money away (did hit 30 the first week it came out but haven't played since the first top prize was claimed in the first week)
                    6. the lotto draw game is a ripoff
                    7. NY has switched to a 6 week cycle in between games so no new tickets until likely July 21 - significantly cut back after this batch of tickets was released
                    8. about the 60x cash, also weird no $100 prize but an $80 prize, have hit $80 4 times now but nothing more than that - very hard to hit anything higher than that
                    9. monopoly millionaires club is a joke - 64 claim center prizes and 64.2% payback
                    10. they really need to get more creative w the $5+ tickets, getting tired of seeing the coin, 5x, and 10x on every new ticket that comes out

                     

                    rant over

                    I made calculations in Excel. The payout of $10 Bingo Rainbow is 60.5%

                    The only good thing about this game is that top prize odds are 1 in 1M which is better than other $10 games with top prize odds 1 in 4M

                     

                    5. About cash king. Bugagaga the odds of winning $300 is 1 in 17K. Lol I don't even want to commend it.

                     

                     

                    I think they should release more games like Lucky 7's Playbook, but with better overall payouts around like 75%

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                      Posted: June 22, 2015, 8:06 pm - IP Logged

                      hmm got 63.8 but either way still well below an average $10 ticket

                       

                      have a different name for cash king which i do not think i can repeat on this forum - like the playbook but way too many losers (even tho it claims it is the best odds in the state) - only won more than $20 once

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                        Posted: June 24, 2015, 10:01 pm - IP Logged

                         Cash King is one of the worst. Bought ten tickets, 001 - 010, won five bucks. One ticket out of ten was a winner and it was only five bucks.

                        Went back the next day and bought ten more tickets, 011 - 020, won fifteen. Two tickets out of ten were winners, one ten dollar and one five.

                        Never went back after that. Saved my money and went to Atlantic City over the weekend.

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                          Posted: June 25, 2015, 9:41 am - IP Logged

                          agree - it is a joke especially given how few big prizes are on there and payback is an artificially inflated 67%

                          kind of sad when our playbook has a payback of 65% and california's has a payback of 75% and they are almost identical tickets

                          also sad that SC's $10 games have a higher payback than every ticket in NY (golden ticket is the highest right now at 75.27%, SC's new 10 has a payback of 75.5%)

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                            Posted: June 25, 2015, 11:35 am - IP Logged

                             Cash King is one of the worst. Bought ten tickets, 001 - 010, won five bucks. One ticket out of ten was a winner and it was only five bucks.

                            Went back the next day and bought ten more tickets, 011 - 020, won fifteen. Two tickets out of ten were winners, one ten dollar and one five.

                            Never went back after that. Saved my money and went to Atlantic City over the weekend.

                            Wow that's horrible. I tried 6 $5 tickets and two 100x and they all lost so I'll probably skip NY another month.

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                              Posted: June 25, 2015, 12:20 pm - IP Logged

                              yup pretty much done here until july 4 when will play some red 7s and 10k a week

                              even if NY makes it more reasonable and changes the top prizes to 10 top prizes of 250k for the $5, it would lower the payback percentage on cash king to 64.1% which is still awful (MMC is 64.2% w the 4 million dollar prizes for reference - the change would drop it to 61.8%)

                              every game seems to be so top heavy on the jackpots - take those out u left w 55% paybacks on pretty much every game

                                 
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