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What do you do to Increase your Odds of Winning?

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Lucky Loser's avatar - bucks
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Posted: February 24, 2010, 11:52 am - IP Logged

C.T.,

I know you have experience in casinos and that is considerable credibility for your positions, but my context is about working systems that win on the average without luck. I worked the other side of the table in casinos and have my own opinions. Believe what you want on your insight but you failed to mention the unmentionable: the players who are banned, not the pseudo-systems losers. Banned systems players are  made to feel special in a different way.

Casinos love superstition systems and false systems. They hate working systems and call them cheating. Those marked as cheaters do not get the frequent perks you mentioned, only the big losers do. But you knew that. The biggest cause for casinos is to get you to believe you can beat the house and lucky streaks happen to everyone. There is superstition all over the place in casinos, it sells. Any big winner is also perked to get them back for the house advantage to recover losses. They are encouraged to try their ‘luck’ again. Did you know that too?

Bottom line is any belief system is a system. Some are good ones and some are bad ones. A casino only likes  systems that favor their bottom line. All else is bad business and is outlawed.

I like to surprise the pit boss and rub his big belly and shout,... "Buddah Belly!" for luck.

Delta,

I've never worked in a casino like neither you nor Coin Toss but, I've been there to play just a little and mostly take notes on most of the things both of you discuss. In another topic, I made a post regarding a segment called "Breaking Vegas" which was based on some college students developing a Roulette system at home by which to play in the casinos. They had a wheel and cameras to establish "timing events" and "consistency" of the ball reaching certain areas so they could maximize their wins.

I'm pretty sure you've seen this movie. Long story short, it worked flawlessly and did so to the point to where house officials were alerted to this "CONSISTENT LUCKY  WINNER". They did not like the fact that this guy wasn't losing all his money back to the house and wanted to check him out...thoroughly. If they had, they would've found electrical signaling devices on him which also linked him to his "wingman".

This, to me, is not cheating in any sense of the word. These guys had absolutely no control over the speed of the wheel or when and where to stop the ball...nothing. They simply got their own materials, set up camp at home, and just practiced, practiced, and practiced on that system of timing and alerting each other.

My point is that they figured out a way to beat the the house average odds of losing and won over and over. There was no lucky streak present as this is what the whole documentary was about. This same thing applies to Poker and Black Jack but, in a different way. If you know how to count cards very well and are attentive with what's going on then one can do well. I'm not saying that it's "just that easy" but, it's accomplished by devoted players all the time.

I invest all my time and money into the Pick games because I can successfully manage those due to the total number count and many other factors. It requires TIME, APPLICATION, PREPARATION, PATIENCE, OPPORTUNITY, and, MONEY...in that order to do well. Those (5) factors combined produce a SYSTEM and when the educated system of approach doen't quite work out, then that's where you want your LUCK RESERVE to step up because that's his job now.

If LUCK doesn't pull you through, then FATE is simply doing it's job. As gamblers, it's ultimately our job and our benefit to do everything we possibly can to maximize our chances of winning and doing so consistently. Play your game...don't let the game play you because it already has the starting advantage. It's better to play (2) out of (5) times and win those (2) than to play all (5) and only win (1).

Okay, I'm done!! Basically, I agree with you 100% here!! Have a good day.

L.L

 

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    Posted: February 24, 2010, 5:26 pm - IP Logged

    DeltaDraw,

    "Anybig winner is also perked to get them back for the house advantage torecover losses. They are encouraged to try their ‘luck’ again. Did youknow that too?"

    Of course I knew that. Here's something you should know, and this is why casinos maked billions........the casinos know that if a player wins, they will come back and blow their winnings. If they lose, they'll go home and get more of their own money, but they always come back. Here's what you don't know - Money won by players is considered a temporary, interest free loan.

    Time after tine a player that makes a score is going to go home and brag about how they beat Vegas, only to return and give it back.

    Odd thuing about the pyschology of gamvblets, too, they will brag more about a big loss than a big win.

    As I've said before, casinos and those running any form of gambling are just as much in the ego business as the gaming and entertainment business

    On Memorial Day weekend one year we had a guy roll the dice for three hours and seven minutes. The table lost $750,000 but it should have lost a lot more. Most of the players on that game always csame to Vegas together. By labor day of the same year the same group had been back several times and had blown all of their winnings from that night and then some.

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    Lucky Loser,

    I know the program you're talking about. They didn't have any system that worked flawlessly, they were cheaters. Using any devices external to the game is considered cheating.

    Once every year the Nevada Gaming Commission puts out a report about people caught over the last  12 months and what they tried to do. One "genius" slipped a radio controlled roulette ball into a game and he was on a roll for awhile, until the ball blew up!

    Aother time two guys were in an RV in a parking lot at the Marina. Security was checking the parking lot and these guys had the door to the RV open. Incredibly, they had a TV monitor visible that had a camera on one of the BJ games in the casino. Wherever their camera was they could see the dealer's hole card and were signaling their third partner at the table.

    The Nevada law that covers this is called "defrauding an inn keeper" and is kind of like a Catch-22 of gambling laws.

    As for card counters, most players don't know this but the casinos send their floor supervisors to schools to learn to count cards. The Barbary Coast in vegas was famous for the floorman kicking a dealer to let them know they wanted the decks shuffled.

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Posted: February 24, 2010, 5:44 pm - IP Logged

      "What do you do to increase your odds of winning"..I wait and wait and wait for numbers from jrosina..She's doing all the work for tiggs..I just do the buying,much easier..

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        Posted: February 24, 2010, 6:58 pm - IP Logged

        "What do you do to increase your odds of winning"..I wait and wait and wait for numbers from jrosina..She's doing all the work for tiggs..I just do the buying,much easier..

        Tiggs, Great Things come to those who wait! Without Complaining!!!!

        forget what "they" say about youWhat you say about you?...

        Now, does it count??

         

         

        *Jr$ina

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          Posted: February 24, 2010, 8:23 pm - IP Logged

          DeltaDraw,

          "Anybig winner is also perked to get them back for the house advantage torecover losses. They are encouraged to try their ‘luck’ again. Did youknow that too?"

          Of course I knew that. Here's something you should know, and this is why casinos maked billions........the casinos know that if a player wins, they will come back and blow their winnings. If they lose, they'll go home and get more of their own money, but they always come back. Here's what you don't know - Money won by players is considered a temporary, interest free loan.

          Time after tine a player that makes a score is going to go home and brag about how they beat Vegas, only to return and give it back.

          Odd thuing about the pyschology of gamvblets, too, they will brag more about a big loss than a big win.

          As I've said before, casinos and those running any form of gambling are just as much in the ego business as the gaming and entertainment business

          On Memorial Day weekend one year we had a guy roll the dice for three hours and seven minutes. The table lost $750,000 but it should have lost a lot more. Most of the players on that game always csame to Vegas together. By labor day of the same year the same group had been back several times and had blown all of their winnings from that night and then some.

          _____________________________________________


          Lucky Loser,

          I know the program you're talking about. They didn't have any system that worked flawlessly, they were cheaters. Using any devices external to the game is considered cheating.

          Once every year the Nevada Gaming Commission puts out a report about people caught over the last  12 months and what they tried to do. One "genius" slipped a radio controlled roulette ball into a game and he was on a roll for awhile, until the ball blew up!

          Aother time two guys were in an RV in a parking lot at the Marina. Security was checking the parking lot and these guys had the door to the RV open. Incredibly, they had a TV monitor visible that had a camera on one of the BJ games in the casino. Wherever their camera was they could see the dealer's hole card and were signaling their third partner at the table.

          The Nevada law that covers this is called "defrauding an inn keeper" and is kind of like a Catch-22 of gambling laws.

          As for card counters, most players don't know this but the casinos send their floor supervisors to schools to learn to count cards. The Barbary Coast in vegas was famous for the floorman kicking a dealer to let them know they wanted the decks shuffled.

          This is good stuff you've posted here and because you've worked at a casino, I'm sure you've seen a little of everything. Therefore, I cannot contest what you know. However, everyone is not the same and everyone isn't so easily influenced by large sums of money. I know some couples who have went there, hit for a very reasonable sum of money and quit on the spot. They spent the rest of the time doing exactly what you described...bragging on how they got the house.

          They took their wives / significant others to eat at fine restaraunts, bought nice clothing, and just enjoyed a portion of what they won. This defines discipline and common sense of knowing when you've REALLY WON. Other players that were there saw one of the guys later and expressed how much they admired his discipline and being smart enough to walk away...after they had loss theirs back already. Depends on the person, 'Toss. This gentleman is older and extremely reserved...not moved by all the hype.

          I try to pattern myself after his likes when playing my game. After I play and win I won't play the next draw if it's not what I need to win or, better yet, is conducive to how I run my numbers. Lots of times I see where I could've won again while it wasn't "my game" but, others would've caused me to lose money. For this reason, I remain consistent to what I need to win and that's it. Take my money and run away...return to win another day! This way, I stay ahead of the house. Good information, CoinToss, and I'm further inspired to maintain my discipline and reserve.

          L.L.

           

           

           

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            Posted: February 24, 2010, 10:03 pm - IP Logged

            Tiggs, Great Things come to those who wait! Without Complaining!!!!

            Me complain??...No way..I'm so easy going..I NEED NUMBERS!!!...:)

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              Posted: February 24, 2010, 10:37 pm - IP Logged

              I bring Buddie along and we sing songs of joy,  hence our winning ways!

              Buddie

              Rub my belly  And of course a little belly rubbing!

              Always increases our odds of winning mo' money!

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                Posted: February 24, 2010, 10:53 pm - IP Logged

                Ok jarasan that second buddah is just plain SCAREY!!!!!!!

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                  Posted: March 23, 2010, 5:46 pm - IP Logged

                  I worked at one casino that had a heavy Hawaiin trade.

                  The Hawaains all carried frogs for luck, heck, the casino even sold them in the gift shop, "Good Luck frogs". This casino allowed cameras, and allowed things on the game no other place in town did.

                  One time a guuy was rolling a "monster" (long hand, lots of numbers), and the Hawaains all put frogs on their pass line and odds bets on the layout.

                  When the shooter finally 7'd out, the shift boss yelled out, "Pick up the line, boys, and get the frogs, too!"

                  After it was all over, one of the dealers told a Hawaain lady, "You should see the size of the frog they have up on the roof of the hotel".

                  As for improving luck in the lottery, I think we all have places where we play but can't win a thing when we play there, so I'd say avoid them when you can.

                  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                  Lep

                  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                    Posted: April 21, 2010, 7:10 pm - IP Logged

                    One of the places we play, but rarely, a liquor store, has put a poster for a beer in front of all the playslips. You have to knoiw where they are and dig for them.

                    I wonder what the lottery would think of that.

                    Nothing in that to improve one's luck, but I'd say avoid the bad vibes they put off.

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      Posted: April 21, 2010, 7:59 pm - IP Logged

                      I know we all play to win, and we play this man's lottery, because it is, as I was so accurately told; "The working stiff chance to get out of the Trap" So now what do you do, I know many don't believe in a System,  I do---mine! because it works for me! And I don't knock others who have one and it works for them. I do the work out to Increase my odds, what do you do?

                      Just waiting on my timeline jrosina,  Just waiting on my time.  its  going to happen one day.

                      Wink

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                        Posted: April 23, 2010, 9:48 pm - IP Logged

                        I recently started using Expert Lotto. I'm basically getting rid of any obvious combinations, any combinations that have been drawn before and unlikely combinations.

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                          Posted: April 23, 2010, 10:05 pm - IP Logged

                          Time machine. LOL

                          Seriously, I am trying to use the law of attraction + game analysis.

                          I figure mix my picks with QP...maybe something will happen. Clown

                          $1,000,000

                             
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