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tiggs95

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Feb 21, 2010, 8:09 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Wheeler on Feb 21, 2010
I do box them. Kansas playslips doesn't have the option of st/bx or whatever it looks like. So I play the numbers Exact (str8) and Any Order (box)

You are SMART..
Lucky Loser

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Feb 21, 2010, 8:20 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Feb 21, 2010
I use the term ‘good luck’ now and then but it is just part of the vernacular. I think luck plays a very big role in the games because it is just another watered down superstition. It might be the underlying definitive of all superstitions. It is a belief system, and therefore a system in itself. Gail Howard used the term ‘Smart Luck’ to describe her products. She included some kind of horriblescope for number selection if one was so inclined to depart from number analysis. Suckers love their superstitions and they are an industry in themselves. A real system requires more effort than sleep, dreaming or whishing.

Superstitions pay the electric bill and more in the gambling industry. Any systems players or extremely ‘Lucky’ players are not welcome in casinos. If you play blackjack and win well, all the casino has to do is say they think you were counting cards and are a cheat. A game of chance is not allowed to be played like a game of skill. If one was to win outside of calculated odds, they are considered to be cheating. The casinos really do not believe in luck because they are expected to win based on statistics. That is their Smart Luck. It is calculated and defined with little variance. Statistics define cheaters.

A casino or lottery does not have to win 100% of the time because they win on the average. That is their system and it works very well. No luck is involved, it is an expected outcome. You are not crazy if you expect to beat the odds even if they are against you, but you might want to know your odds. Finding ways to improve your chances is the foundation of a real system. How does one reduce the odds for advantage?

Any system’s intent is to win on the average over a period of time and events. Anything one can do that is not superstition to improve chances or odds to win could be construed as cheating, based on how the 'house' expects results. Anybody who wins above the average is not always considered a cheat, but there is a limit expected and then the tide turns; the house wins.

Anybody who plays a system expects to improve their winning chances. One event is enough to prove a system if all the rules of the system are adhered to, including buying quick picks. Repeatability of a system’s success is based on many things, one of them is not luck. That’s why quick picks are popular. You will likely hear of more quick pick winners than systems winners. The idea is for you to believe every event of a winner is purely random quick pick luck. You are expected to believe the most successful system is the quick pick. The number of winners using a system is a hidden statistic and hard to prove. Early jackpot games had fewer combinations than they do today but the base payout remains the same. The reason more numbers were added are several, but one was not because people were luckier back then.

Adding more numbers made for jackpot hysteria and made the job of lottery busters harder.

It was a win-win for the lotteries. Pure dumb luck.

I cannot express to you how much I enjoy reading the EDUCATED posts and responses of both you an jrosina! What you have posted here is the absolute epitome of numerical reasoning and demonstrates that a systematic approach is REQUIRED in order to be a successful player. Your following two statements are simply flawless:

A real system requires more effort than sleep, dreaming or whishing.

You are not crazy if you expect to beat the odds even if they are against you, but you might want to know your odds. Finding ways to improve your chances is the foundation of a real system. How does one reduce the odds for advantage?

Sir or Ma'am, if you only knew...

L.L.
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Feb 21, 2010, 8:23 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on Feb 21, 2010
Hey there ca-dreamin! I read your post and agree with you 100% about this luck business. I'm seeing where people are quoting "it's ALL about luck", or "you have to be lucky to win", and "when or if it's my turn to win, I'll win". Well all of this is true in its' own perspective and mostly in its' own percentages. Personally, those that say Pick 3/4 is ALL about luck don't really understand anything about numbers and are solely at the pure mercy of the mechanical or RNG draw method.

With the Mega Millions / Powerball and regular 6/49 type games, you are just plain lucky if or when you hit...PERIOD. Way too many numbers and variance involved to develop any strategy or system by which to play and match a complete winner. It's better, with these games, to simply allow the machine to select a few picks for you.

With the small games like 3/4, there are substantially less combinations to worry with and little variance among the draws. One can sit down, put together a robust playlist and hit str8 with reasonable consistence and patience. If people would only try and educate themselves more about the game they'd see where both SKILL and LUCK work together and when your SKILL FAILS hopefully LUCK is there to back him up. Simple.

SKILL is more consistent that LUCK all day everyday in their own respect, of course. If I play a list of numbers and realize that it's actually the wrong list for a given state I planned for, this is where I want luck to prevail for me and make sure I still win. If I've forgotten to take out numbers I'm certain won't win and those numbers are actually drawn and I still win, this is where you want your LUCK.

I believe you have the right idea overall but, there are a few people here who are simply not even trying to give themselves a chance. Diminishing Returns will keep the lottery in business for ever because of LUCK and I'm glad!!! Keep at it ca-dreamin and you'll eventually hit...I believe this!!

L.L.

Thanks for the well written response LL!

When it comes to luck I have a hard time expressing how I feel LOL without feeling like I'm contradicting myself. Like when I wrote that if I play birthdays, ages, favorite numbers etc. and it hits thats luck. To me that's luck because for those numbers to all come together and hit, I don't know what else to call it. But if I sit down and look at past draws and then choose a set of numbers to play and my numbers hit......I hate to say it's because I have skill but I'm NOT gonna say it's because I got lucky.

I do believe there is something far greater out there whether we call it luck, the universe, divine intervention, LOL magik that gives us a helping hand at winning but as I've stated earlier to say "it's all about luck" I just don't buy that.
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Feb 21, 2010, 8:37 pm

When you are doing your workouts with paper and pencil or with software and stats and you hear someone behind you say a number it is best to write it down and play it.

When you look behind you to see who it is speaking no one is going to be there.

Numbers are where you find them.
ca-dreamin*

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Feb 21, 2010, 8:39 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Feb 21, 2010
I use the term ‘good luck’ now and then but it is just part of the vernacular. I think luck plays a very big role in the games because it is just another watered down superstition. It might be the underlying definitive of all superstitions. It is a belief system, and therefore a system in itself. Gail Howard used the term ‘Smart Luck’ to describe her products. She included some kind of horriblescope for number selection if one was so inclined to depart from number analysis. Suckers love their superstitions and they are an industry in themselves. A real system requires more effort than sleep, dreaming or whishing.

Superstitions pay the electric bill and more in the gambling industry. Any systems players or extremely ‘Lucky’ players are not welcome in casinos. If you play blackjack and win well, all the casino has to do is say they think you were counting cards and are a cheat. A game of chance is not allowed to be played like a game of skill. If one was to win outside of calculated odds, they are considered to be cheating. The casinos really do not believe in luck because they are expected to win based on statistics. That is their Smart Luck. It is calculated and defined with little variance. Statistics define cheaters.

A casino or lottery does not have to win 100% of the time because they win on the average. That is their system and it works very well. No luck is involved, it is an expected outcome. You are not crazy if you expect to beat the odds even if they are against you, but you might want to know your odds. Finding ways to improve your chances is the foundation of a real system. How does one reduce the odds for advantage?

Any system’s intent is to win on the average over a period of time and events. Anything one can do that is not superstition to improve chances or odds to win could be construed as cheating, based on how the 'house' expects results. Anybody who wins above the average is not always considered a cheat, but there is a limit expected and then the tide turns; the house wins.

Anybody who plays a system expects to improve their winning chances. One event is enough to prove a system if all the rules of the system are adhered to, including buying quick picks. Repeatability of a system’s success is based on many things, one of them is not luck. That’s why quick picks are popular. You will likely hear of more quick pick winners than systems winners. The idea is for you to believe every event of a winner is purely random quick pick luck. You are expected to believe the most successful system is the quick pick. The number of winners using a system is a hidden statistic and hard to prove. Early jackpot games had fewer combinations than they do today but the base payout remains the same. The reason more numbers were added are several, but one was not because people were luckier back then.

Adding more numbers made for jackpot hysteria and made the job of lottery busters harder.

It was a win-win for the lotteries. Pure dumb luck.

Hey Delta Draw I agree with you when you say "You are expected to believe the most successful system is the quick pick". Lotteries also make a big deal when someone wins playing birthdays.
ca-dreamin*

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Feb 21, 2010, 8:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by JAP69 on Feb 21, 2010
When you are doing your workouts with paper and pencil or with software and stats and you hear someone behind you say a number it is best to write it down and play it.

When you look behind you to see who it is speaking no one is going to be there.

Yep and don't forget to play those numbers that keep staring at you even though your workout doesn't favor them
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Feb 21, 2010, 8:59 pm

Quote: Originally posted by jrosina on Feb 19, 2010
wow!! I am Impressed by you ca-dreamin*. To think I tought I was among a small few that felt that way, "Luck" is not something I depend on... for anything!

Aww jrosina thank-you! I consider you and LadyMylena my soul-sisters! I have a feeling we have alot in common aside from the lottery!

As for "a small few" I think there's more but they're in hiding or denial LOL!
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Feb 22, 2010, 6:14 am

Quote: Originally posted by tiggs95 on Feb 21, 2010
You are SMART..

Thanks ca-dreamin* but the idea for me to play exact (Str8) Any Order (Box) came from the people from here on LP

God Bless America
jrosina

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Feb 22, 2010, 7:06 am

Quote: Originally posted by ca-dreamin* on Feb 21, 2010
Yep and don't forget to play those numbers that keep staring at you even though your workout doesn't favor them

Oh my Gooness Yes!! How many times I have missed it in the past, over-looking those diggits that was saying to me "here I am!" and I said "yeah, yeah" only to see them in the midday or evening results and they said "We told you we were coming!"

forget what "they" say about you. What you say about you?...

Now, does it count??

*Jr$ina
tiggs95

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Feb 22, 2010, 9:49 am

Quote: Originally posted by jrosina on Feb 22, 2010
Oh my Gooness Yes!! How many times I have missed it in the past, over-looking those diggits that was saying to me "here I am!" and I said "yeah, yeah" only to see them in the midday or evening results and they said "We told you we were coming!"

You mean numbers talk to you?..Like WOW man..I hear voices but not numbers??..Maybe I nedd to switch channels...Could be my problem all along..Thanks jrosina for the heads up..
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Feb 23, 2010, 1:31 am

What do you do to Increase your Odds of Winning?

I buy more tickets.
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Feb 23, 2010, 1:43 am

I don't have a buddha statue so I try to find a baldheaded guy on the street somewhere to be a surrogate buddha. I usually sneak up behind him and rub my tickets on his bald head. A lot of them take exception to this practice but they won't agree to let you do it if you ask them anyway so I just do it. You'd be amazed at how upset some people can get over a harmless little thing like that. People are strange.
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Feb 23, 2010, 2:26 am

Delta Draw

"Any systems players or extremely ‘Lucky’ players are not welcome in casinos."

Au contraire. Casinos pick up airfare for systems players if they have a healthy enough credit limit. They send out more promos and invites to systems players. The ones I worked in did. And the ones you worked in?

Know this, high rollers, at the end of the year, are high losers.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Feb 23, 2010, 7:20 am

I buy a few extras on numbers i don't normally play and they have hit.
Delta Draw

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Feb 24, 2010, 4:44 am

C.T.,

I know you have experience in casinos and that is considerable credibility for your positions, but my context is about working systems that win on the average without luck. I worked the other side of the table in casinos and have my own opinions. Believe what you want on your insight but you failed to mention the unmentionable: the players who are banned, not the pseudo-systems losers. Banned systems players are made to feel special in a different way.

Casinos love superstition systems and false systems. They hate working systems and call them cheating. Those marked as cheaters do not get the frequent perks you mentioned, only the big losers do. But you knew that. The biggest cause for casinos is to get you to believe you can beat the house and lucky streaks happen to everyone. There is superstition all over the place in casinos, it sells. Any big winner is also perked to get them back for the house advantage to recover losses. They are encouraged to try their ‘luck’ again. Did you know that too?

Bottom line is any belief system is a system. Some are good ones and some are bad ones. A casino only likes systems that favor their bottom line. All else is bad business and is outlawed.

I like to surprise the pit boss and rub his big belly and shout,... "Buddah Belly!" for luck.

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