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# Statistically Speaking - QP's and PP's

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"It's not necessary for all combinations to be used before some are repeated."

You explained as well as can be explained. If people choose not to believe it, or just can't understand it, so be it.

I think at the heart of the matter is there are those who just believe that the lotteries are deliberately cheating people.

If I really thought that, I sure wouldn't be throwing my money after it. LOL.

"It's not necessary for all combinations to be used before some are repeated."

Where is that published? At LP? Why not in each state’s lottery?

See Spin (public relations) and   sock puppet (internet) (internet). Wikipedia

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Way back up in them dadgum hills, son!
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You didn't see the answer because it wasn't there. All he did in that thread was spend a lot of effort, and use a bunch of complicated math to show what we already know from a different perspective.  We already know that the 70/30 (give or take) split in sales results in a similar 70/30 split in winners. All he did was solve for how many prizes we should expect from QP's for each winning SP.

If 70 QP's are sold for every 30 SP's then  for each individual SP sold there are 70/30, or 2.333 QP's sold. For an 80/20 split it's 4 QP's for each SP. That's where he gets his 1 SP = 4QP's schtick.

You can call it smoke and mirrors or a steaming pile of bull manure, but either way it's 1 "answer" = nothing useful.

Thanks for putting it into words Floyd. I saw that he was ignoring you in the other thread he linked also.

People who have their minds made up don't like to be confused with the facts.

And we'll always have the whiners with us who believe the games are rigged simply because they lose all the time.

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

--Edmund Burke

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"It's not necessary for all combinations to be used before some are repeated."

Where is that published? At LP? Why not in each state’s lottery?

See Spin (public relations) and   sock puppet (internet) (internet). Wikipedia

DD

DD,

It's just, well, common sense. It's one of those things that for most people, at least those who really study the games, understand without it having to be in writing.

IF.....IF lotteries could control which combinations were sold before repeating, it wouldn't be random, would it? Which means they control when there is a winner. If that were the case, the lotteries would have no integrity, people would have no confidence, and the lotteries would be out of business. And it is a business. The Tx Lottery commission is quite transparent, and they don't hide the fact that they make a lot of money. That's why they are in business in the first place. If a business can't make money, why bother? It comes down to people, like me, throwing a buck or three at a game to try to win insane amounts of money, while knowing the odds.

CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR \$2)

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Thanks for putting it into words Floyd. I saw that he was ignoring you in the other thread he linked also.

People who have their minds made up don't like to be confused with the facts.

And we'll always have the whiners with us who believe the games are rigged simply because they lose all the time.

"People who have their minds made up don't like to be confused with the facts."

There you have it folks!               BUY MORE QUICK PICKS

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DD,

It's just, well, common sense. It's one of those things that for most people, at least those who really study the games, understand without it having to be in writing.

IF.....IF lotteries could control which combinations were sold before repeating, it wouldn't be random, would it? Which means they control when there is a winner. If that were the case, the lotteries would have no integrity, people would have no confidence, and the lotteries would be out of business. And it is a business. The Tx Lottery commission is quite transparent, and they don't hide the fact that they make a lot of money. That's why they are in business in the first place. If a business can't make money, why bother? It comes down to people, like me, throwing a buck or three at a game to try to win insane amounts of money, while knowing the odds.

Common sense? Let me see it in print.

I thought it was common sense that the odds and large sales indicated someone would win based on large sales of all the combinations. After all, the odds are printed all over the place, even on the tickets. How come this common sense you have is not so common?

We were led to believe the randomness of the tickets sold was based on all the possible combinations to win. Now it is common sense that the pool is not one complete set of combinations, but overlapping sets?

Oh, and you want to shine the star if Texas for credibility? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!      MAO!

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Ridge I get your drift. You have quoted Latin legal phrases and are not the drunken hayseed you present yourself as. You repeatedly proclaim your distrust for computers yet are solid with the QP mindset.

Here is a link to the TN Doubles switch link for all who wonder if a lottery can or has been fixed:

It has been fixed. You of all people who live in the state of TN would be aware of that.

You went to bat for the QP’s like you don't get the math, like you are a hillbillie hayseed.

That speaks volumes buddy.

I understand why you are hand in hand with Floyd.

This was a brilliant thread to get the big guns out to shoot down any doubt about Quick Picks.

DD

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I don’t buy Ridg’s act one bit. He started yet another thread on QP’s fishing for statistical proof the Quick Picks are a bad bet. Then when good proof is given and points of QP flaws exposed, he plays the ignorant hayseed and gets upset. This whole thread was a set-up for the roaming Lottery expert to quiet the topic.

Now the tail tries to wag the dog where I am to be the one who is the hayseed and ignorant in statistics and probability. What a drama! What a Play! True PROFESIONAL SPIN!

All I can say is a nerve was touched, lottery insights have been revealed and YES there are lottery people who do visit this site and are active. There is a great thing that needs protecting and not one’s intelligence’s honor. Ridge went totally hayseed to discredit the information as a hayseed and when that did not work a big gun came out.

What is the message? Only the REAL EXPERTS will decide for you what reality is, even if it is a flagrant violation of reality. See my signature.

Floyd says "Losing is the most likely outcome, so it should be the expected outcome."

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if the lottery has the built in security measures as i described earlier,  it would be impossible to identify "patterns,  cycles, and variables" in ball drawings where they switch out the balls and machines every draw.

lottery balls all weigh the same weight,  therefore they are "untrackable" by design,  negating the possibility of "patterns" to exist.

each ball by design has the same equal chance to draw.   the only "bias" possible,  would be what i would like to refer as "compromised balls".   there,  i said it.

"VISIONDUDE"  it's quite obvious you have  no idea what I'm talking about  I never said anything about lottery balls  having a memory it has nothing  to do with ball wieght,paint,ball size,switching out or any other extra security measures.I'm NOT TRACKING the  lottery balls what I'm refering too  is the drawn numbers on paper or in my case the  draw history in the software I use.The  patterns I am referring too are only noticable when  you use software  too analyse the  drawings it's HUMAN interaction that's at work here the  software just lays out all the  variables  associated with the numbers it's the  player that  does the  hard work the  software  makes  it easier too do.Your  absolutely correct the  numbered balls have  no memeory it  dioesn't  know  what came up beffore  or after  but we aren't concerned with that.Let  me give you an example I use a little strategy where I track these pattern pairs LL,LH,HL,HH I use a draw printed  out draw history where I highlight  them  and  track there occurences  I can see which ones are  out the  longest,which may possibly repeat  or any short term activity,once I HAVE my pair  I just play the 5 numbers associated  with  them for  example LH=L (01234)and H (56789) I eliminate  1 or 2 numbers whenever necesarry from this pair.I hit Monday straight  in  the  Cash 3 (856) with  this strategy for \$250 ( I play on a budget so I bet  .50 on each number)  on Friday the numbers drawn were (560) I had (760).The rest of my strategy consists of choosing 5-7 numbers  for  position  3 and selecting the necessary filters to reduce my combos I have a set list that I choose  and as long as  my choices  are  correct along with the correct  LL,HL pair I am guaranteed a  win. I  play anywhere from 3-5 numbers  for position 1 and 2 and in position  3 I play 5-7 numbers I usually average about  (5-16) combos depending on how many numbers  and filters I select.And I spend \$5-\$8 each time  I play (I don't play everyday) so all I am saying here is that it's VERY possible too handicap the game  in bring  the  odds in your favor too increase your  chances of winning.So bascially your comments  are  only CORRECT in regards too YOUR interpretation and  understanding of what I said earlier  about exploiting  patterns and variables of the  numbers.But according  too what I just posted about how  I play and my  understanding of the  patterns and variables MY interpretation  says that you are  INCORRECT because  every time I have hit the numbers  in the Cash 3 I use some  kind of strategy my other  hits  before  this  one were  \$200 boxed  in the Pick-4 back in Jan of  the new  year before  that 3 straight hits \$250 in Cash 3 in May,July and Sep of  last  year.Do  I hit on a regular  or  consistant  basis?? NOPE!! do  I  make a profit?? probably not but I only play for fun  not too make a living or prove my  way is best but  I will say it works  better  for  me  than quick-picks.In comparison too the  quick-picks in the  past  year that my parents have  played the  various games using them  the most  they  ever won  was \$40 so definitely  my strategy has INCREASED and  TITLTED the odds more  in my favor.Now of course  you  can't explpoit these for very long because the  variables change but if you keep at it  PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT and you  can with a GOOD eye,skill and  expertise notice  when the  changes are gonna happen and  wait  for the  next  pattern variables too occur.

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"It's not necessary for all combinations to be used before some are repeated."

Where is that published? At LP? Why not in each state’s lottery?

See Spin (public relations) and   sock puppet (internet) (internet). Wikipedia

DD

the simple answer to that is.......

"it's a random number generator,

which if it is truly "random" in it's design,  of course it contains the possibility of "repeats".......it's the luck/randomness factor on every whirl of that machine,  because to be truly "random" means also it has no "memory",  which totally explains repeat possibilities.

each number, each and everytime,  has the same equal chance to be drawn,  making repeats equally possible

if it ain't truly randon, and the game is being manipulated from the inside, keep yo money,  cuz the only ones that will win are the lottery officials relatives / friends...

ask me.  if i know it, i will tell you.  if i don't know, i will admit it, and not just make garbage up  because i want it to be true.   (1st visiondude 3:15)

"i am .........."meant to"

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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if the lottery has the built in security measures as i described earlier,  it would be impossible to identify "patterns,  cycles, and variables" in ball drawings where they switch out the balls and machines every draw.

lottery balls all weigh the same weight,  therefore they are "untrackable" by design,  negating the possibility of "patterns" to exist.

each ball by design has the same equal chance to draw.   the only "bias" possible,  would be what i would like to refer as "compromised balls".   there,  i said it.

"VISIONDUDE"  it's quite obvious you have  no idea what I'm talking about  I never said anything about lottery balls  having a memory it has nothing  to do with ball wieght,paint,ball size,switching out or any other extra security measures.I'm NOT TRACKING the  lottery balls what I'm refering too  is the drawn numbers on paper or in my case the  draw history in the software I use.The  patterns I am referring too are only noticable when  you use software  too analyse the  drawings it's HUMAN interaction that's at work here the  software just lays out all the  variables  associated with the numbers it's the  player that  does the  hard work the  software  makes  it easier too do.Your  absolutely correct the  numbered balls have  no memeory it  dioesn't  know  what came up beffore  or after  but we aren't concerned with that.Let  me give you an example I use a little strategy where I track these pattern pairs LL,LH,HL,HH I use a draw printed  out draw history where I highlight  them  and  track there occurences  I can see which ones are  out the  longest,which may possibly repeat  or any short term activity,once I HAVE my pair  I just play the 5 numbers associated  with  them for  example LH=L (01234)and H (56789) I eliminate  1 or 2 numbers whenever necesarry from this pair.I hit Monday straight  in  the  Cash 3 (856) with  this strategy for \$250 ( I play on a budget so I bet  .50 on each number)  on Friday the numbers drawn were (560) I had (760).The rest of my strategy consists of choosing 5-7 numbers  for  position  3 and selecting the necessary filters to reduce my combos I have a set list that I choose  and as long as  my choices  are  correct along with the correct  LL,HL pair I am guaranteed a  win. I  play anywhere from 3-5 numbers  for position 1 and 2 and in position  3 I play 5-7 numbers I usually average about  (5-16) combos depending on how many numbers  and filters I select.And I spend \$5-\$8 each time  I play (I don't play everyday) so all I am saying here is that it's VERY possible too handicap the game  in bring  the  odds in your favor too increase your  chances of winning.So bascially your comments  are  only CORRECT in regards too YOUR interpretation and  understanding of what I said earlier  about exploiting  patterns and variables of the  numbers.But according  too what I just posted about how  I play and my  understanding of the  patterns and variables MY interpretation  says that you are  INCORRECT because  every time I have hit the numbers  in the Cash 3 I use some  kind of strategy my other  hits  before  this  one were  \$200 boxed  in the Pick-4 back in Jan of  the new  year before  that 3 straight hits \$250 in Cash 3 in May,July and Sep of  last  year.Do  I hit on a regular  or  consistant  basis?? NOPE!! do  I  make a profit?? probably not but I only play for fun  not too make a living or prove my  way is best but  I will say it works  better  for  me  than quick-picks.In comparison too the  quick-picks in the  past  year that my parents have  played the  various games using them  the most  they  ever won  was \$40 so definitely  my strategy has INCREASED and  TITLTED the odds more  in my favor.Now of course  you  can't explpoit these for very long because the  variables change but if you keep at it  PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT and you  can with a GOOD eye,skill and  expertise notice  when the  changes are gonna happen and  wait  for the  next  pattern variables too occur.

sweet.

i appreciate the effort you made to respond.

i admit,  i am so rediculously "math handicapped" ,  the math professor would beat me with his slide ruler if i even knocked on his math lab door.   beat my senseless actually

so for me,  all this "math" thrown at hedge betting lottery attempts seems to me a monsterous waste of humanity,  when one simple "equation" will do.......the fact that it is random.

while being "math dumb",  i am a man that fully engages the fact i don't even come close to knowing everything, and realize there are things i don't understand,  or just flat out miss cuz it doesn't "compute".

so i am more than willing to be schooled that one can gain some sort of "edge" by working the numbers somehow.

but,  to me,  common sense tells me that because it's random,  and each ball has the same equal chance to draw,  and that negates the possibility of something being "due",  there is no way one can tell if you play the number "4" in the pick 3,  it's gonna "hit"..........and when.

if it is random, it won't matter what number is inserted where, at what time, in what combination, ad infionandonland

covering "all combinations" is a money losing proposition

that's my contention,  that no matter how one arranges the numbers,  randomness demands that the result cannot be "manipulated".

trust me,  i root for people to succeed.  if i ever thought you actually had something,  and you were "exploiting" the lottery with your own abilities,  and fattening your wallet thereby,  i would be high fiving you all over the place.

me.......i consider myself a self appointed defender against false hope.  can't stand false hope.  can't stand to sit and watch people being taken advantage of.    huge pet peeve of mine.  that's why i have a "dog in the fight" as far as "systems" go,  because it sells the notion that one "can",  when it is impossible.   makes sensible people act foolish,  and waste their time and money.

if someone wants to, that's their personal choice.  what i work "for",  is that person who cannot "afford to"  emotionally,  spirtitually, or financially,  but they persue it based on the claims of others.

that isn't even close to being right...

and that my friends,  is my agenda at LP.   working on behalf of the "weak", by replicating the truth

it's what i do

8 years in here.......and i have yet had someone with the ability to explain how lottery balls all of a sudden contain "memory"

"i am .........."meant to"

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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Thanks for putting it into words Floyd. I saw that he was ignoring you in the other thread he linked also.

People who have their minds made up don't like to be confused with the facts.

And we'll always have the whiners with us who believe the games are rigged simply because they lose all the time.

rdgrnr,

Amen!

We sure have a lot of MAVEN U. -  OPINION OVER KNOWLEDGE - Grads here.

Let's see, the thread title is "Statistically Speaking - QP's and PP's".

So what do the statistics tell us?

The average sale is \$1. Even with the Powerplay and the Megaplier if you watch the drawings and they announce lower tier winners it is most often the prize for a \$1, not \$2.

More people play QPs, a lot more people.

Most jackpots are won by a QP.

In a Pick 5 game most tickets match 0 or 1 number, which pays nothing.

In a Pick 6 game most tickets match 0, 1, or 2 numbers, which pays nothing.

In a 5 + 1 game, most tickets match 0 + 0, 1 + 0, or 2 + 0, which pays nothing.

There's really not a whole bunch of controversy in all that, it's pretty cut and dry.

But as rdgrnr mentioned in a previous post, it seems we have two factions going here, those who say, "Well, I think a QP has a better chance as they win most often", and another groups that does the "My Way" and thinks no one should play QPs, just because they don't.

It is kind of surprising on a borard such as this to see people insisting that others "live the life they are living". Having said that here comes the assualt.

How about we play a little game and one of our Excel pros makes a spreadsheet, for the next six months tally up the total jackpot money won by QPs and the total jackpot money won by PPs and see what the score is. Any takers?

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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(WOW!! After all that  time away from LP  you  haven't changed at all still the  same old stubborn) (Visiondude!!!)

but, to me, common sense tells me that because it's random, and each ball has the same equal chance to draw, and that negates the possibility of something being "due", there is no way one can tell if you play the number "4" in the pick 3, it's gonna "hit"..........and when.

(Your absolutely correct each number has the same chance of coming up BUT!! they cannot all appear at the same time if 3 numbers are beinng drawn then that leaves out plenty of other numbers.So therefore the concept of due,overdue,past due does apply I have seen it myself in my states games the patterns are there if you can identify them for example if a number has been out 10-14 days it's due for a hit I've stayed on a number that was out that long and included it in my GROUP selections and guess what?? it was one of the numbers drawn.Your problem is you don't fully understand the concepts I'm describing but of course NO one can predict,forsee,forcast the EXACT 3 numbers that are gonna be drawn that's not what I do.My strategy consists of TRAPPING the possible winning 3 numbers in a GROUP setting if in position 1 I decide that Low numbers are gonna come up and play all Low numbers - 0,1,2,3,4 and I'm correct I am GUARANTEED too have that number in my selection using your example say the number 4 in position 1 is drawn,well if I chose Low Numbers for position 1 then I WILL hit that number)

if it is random, it won't matter what number is inserted where, at what time, in what combination, ad infionandonland

(WRONG!!! random numbers don't all come up at the same time the trick is deciding which GROUP of numbers too play in order too trap the winning  3  drawn.The game is called PICK-3 so only 3 numbers are drawn it's not PICK-10 where all 10 numbers are drawn (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) so out of these 10 only 3 will be drawn as singles or doubles the low high formats for these numbers by position are LLL,LLH,LHL,LHH and HHH,HHL,HLH,HLL all I do is figure out the PAIR of these formats LL,LH,HL,HH so if I SELECT ( HH ) then the associated formats will be HHH and HHL this is how I won on Monday with (856) HHH was in my selection see how this works?? )

covering "all combinations" is a money losing proposition

(I agree that's why I don't do it I only play anywhere from 5-16 combinations)

that's my contention, that no matter how one arranges the numbers, randomness demands that the result cannot be "manipulated".

(WRONG AGAIN!!! if you arrange the numbers by GROUP correctly you can TRAP the winning numbers and I'm not manipulating the results in anyway I have no idea what "EXACT" 3 numbers are gonna be drawn so basically I'm CASTING a NET in order too TRAP or CATCH the winning numbers and if my BAIT is set up CORRECTLY I am guaranteed too win.Here are ALL the number formats associated with the numbers in Cash 3 (LLL,LLH,LHL,LHH,HHH,HHL,HLH,HLL and the next section OOO,OOE,OEO,OEE,EEE,EEO,EOE,EOO) 16 total formats associated with the Cash 3 so in my strategy I choose 1 pair for the LH,HL group too get my 2 full formats and for the OOO,EOE section I select 4-6 of the 8 and then I apply the appropriate filters which consist of the many variables associated with the numbers ( sums,line width,indentical formats,root sums) which differs from software too software.

trust me, i root for people to succeed. if i ever thought you actually had something, and you were "exploiting" the lottery with your own abilities, and fattening your wallet thereby, i would be high fiving you all over the place.

(I am exploiting the game with my own abilities just because I HAVEN'T fattened my wallet yet doesn't mean my strategy doesn't work no one that uses quick-picks fattens there wallet unless they HIT a jackpot but quick-picks still work and no one ever makes a profit on regular plays of quick-picks that did not win a jackpot when they lose they lose often I have won more money my way then anyone in my family that used quick-picks.I just started doing this after many months of trial and error.Now I know a few people that HAVE fatten there wallets often using there own methods of play because they do just what I do but there just better at it then I am right now.If I'm using INTELLIGENT methods of play it's called a strategy/system if I use numbers picked out of a hat,anniversary,b-day,ages or what ever numbers pop in my head then I'm using LUCKY methods of play,well I don't use luck when I play the numbers never have never will)

me.......i consider myself a self appointed defender against false hope. can't stand false hope. can't stand to sit and watch people being taken advantage of. huge pet peeve of mine. that's why i have a "dog in the fight" as far as "systems" go, because it sells the notion that one "can", when it is impossible. makes sensible people act foolish, and waste their time and money.

(I'm not selling anything just explaining how I PLAY the numbers and it's not impossible too win using a system if a person can win using quick-picks and lucky numbers then why can't a person win using a system or strategy??? I thought the numbered balls had no memory?? are they being BIASED against system players?? by intentionally keeping them from winning and only allowing quick-pickers and lucky players too win??? OF COURSE NOT!! and by the way have you ever won anything from a quick-pick or your own selection of numbers??

8 years in here.......and i have yet had someone with the ability to explain how lottery balls all of a sudden contain "memory"

(NO ONE SAID the numbers have a memory where are you getting this from??? IT'S NOT about the ping pong balls I DON'T even take that into consideration I DON'T have acccess too the ACTUAL numbered balls.What I DO have access too is the data from the draw history that is available on all Lottery Websites or Lottery Software I analyse the numbers activity and make my selections INTELLIGENTLY something has too happen the trick is too try and TRAP what you think is gonna happen and if your GOOD with lots of practice and know how it can be done.)

So if you still don't get it now then you never will and probably shouldn't comment  on things you know nothing about,just  stick with  comments  on quick-picks seeing as how  that's your PREFERRED method  of play "JUST ONE TICKET" is all it takes and if your meant  too you will!! was your motto back then

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"It's not necessary for all combinations to be used before some are repeated."

Where is that published? At LP? Why not in each state’s lottery?

See Spin (public relations) and   sock puppet (internet) (internet). Wikipedia

DD

"It's not necessary for all combinations to be used before some are repeated."

It's not published as far as I know but it's something you can check for yourself.  In fact I will go farther and say it always happens when enough drawings have taken place to cover 2% of the possible combinations or less.

It happened more than 5 times with Ohio Buckeye5(6/37) which had 2723 drawings during its run.  It has happened at least twice with Ohio Rolling Cash5(6/39) which replaced it and has had 1969 drawings so far.  It happened more than four times with West Virgina Cash25(6/25) which has more than 3000 drawings so far.  Every game I've ever tracked that ran that long without a matrix change, it happened.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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"Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."

Government IS the problem...

Untill...

You need some one to pickup your stinking Garbage.

You need some one to teach your rat fuc kids.

Save your shetty house when it's on fire.

Stop Hauling your shet away after you've taken a big crap.

Stop Provieding clean drinking water, you thirsty fuc.

Yeah, Our Government IS the PROBLEM.

Less WE FORGET... WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT.

Qp's and Pp's...can't ya all just get along?

So what if someone wants a quick pick...so what if someone wants to pick their own numbers.

Everytime I pick my own numbers, they do not win.

Each time I get a quick pick now, it doesn't win either.

(exception...the other day I tried Treasure Hunt and got 4 of 5 (\$100) and 3 x 2 out of 5 on the same ticket picking birthday numbers - big deal, but

I picked them....and I got a quick pick once that shocked the h3ll out of me)

They both work. Quick pick isn't lazy...maybe it's just hopeful. Working on a wheel isn't crazy...maybe it's just hopeful too.

I've seen good things with wheels done here and know that quick picks work too.

Just play what the heck you want to play.

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 Posted: July 12, 2010, 4:37 pm - IP Logged

I totally AGREE systems,quick-picks,lucky numbers they  ALL WORK so no one should be bad-mouthing or putting down what ever a player decides too use if it works for them then GO FOR IT!!!

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