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If All 80,000 Members of LP Dedicated to Systems for PB and Pick6 We will Win it Everyday

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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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Posted: August 28, 2010, 2:45 pm - IP Logged

we could use the prediction page here on  LP , pick a game and get everyone interested  to post 10 picks, doesnt cost anything and we get to test  peoples willingness to co operate.

 

now we could all post our own 10 picks, or submit to someone elses picks and play 10 of theirs.  i for one dont cqre either way.

 

also could pick an eaiser to win game. like 6 /39  having a quick browse i nominate

 

califirnia fantasy 5 a 5/39 game, feel free to nominate, another, or second, my pick, then we vote?

then we decide if we allow 1` person to wheel numbers or pick our own 10.

if we all pick ourt own 10 , maybe the best scored picks get to chose a major wheel for the actual play and we all have to suck it up and play?

im just trying to move things along and suggest ideas. not dictate.

 

so 1st we need to agree on a game to run a test run ok agreed?

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Ca. fantasy 5

While a 5/39 game might be easier to predict, it's unlikely players from different states would have data for a particular 5/39 game in a state that they didn't play.  On the other hand both PB and MM games are played in almost every state and most lottery players would probably play one of them at some time and have data on them making either game an excellent candidate for any tests any group might want to run.

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    oops tks RJOh i forgot about that. 

    ermm it still works as a test for predictions page here,  to see if people can co operate. but yeah scrag it as an option for " the game " if we actually ever do something.

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      I don't see much cooperation happening.  About 3 people stepped forward, including me, and we still can't come to an agreement.  I said I'd e-mail Bobby because that poster shared an e-mail with me, which shows a real interest for cooperation and WINNING.  That's the rules.  Why give away our strategies to 89,997 potential free-loaders?

      Anyway, what do you mean by the order you put the numbers in your wheel?  What difference does it make, when the numbers are sorted in descending order?  I was wondering if Gail's wheels are different from other wheels and now you seem to be lending some credence to that.

       

      I have an excel file of my strategy, by the way Bobby.  Maybe you can create an excel file of your strategy and we can swap?  I could ask this over e-mail, but everyone to SEE what it means to function like a team.

      "Anyway, what do you mean by the order you put the numbers in your wheel?  What difference does it make, when the numbers are sorted in descending order?  I was wondering if Gail's wheels are different from other wheels and now you seem to be lending some credence to that."

      The order the numbers are entered into the wheel applies to all abbreviated wheels. Before PB and MM when it was just 6/42 to 6/54 lotto games, the 42 combo 4 if 6 of 18 number wheel was a favorite as where some of the lower priced wheels like the 19 combo 4 if 6 of 15 numbers I played. I suppose I got lucky when I started playing the wheel because I had 4 number matches by only matching 4 numbers. It never occurred to me the wheel only guaranteed a four number match by matching 6 of my numbers until I matched 5 of my numbers and didn't have a 4 number match.

      I bought one of Gail Howard's first books and most of the abbreviated wheels I played were unbalanced and they showed what you could win by matching 4, 5, or 6 numbers. What wasn't explained was a full 15 number wheel has 5005 combinations and only 1 combo has all 6 numbers so even if I matched all 6 numbers I only had 1 chance out of 263 of winning the jackpot.

      No need to explain the difficulty of matching 6 out of 15, 18, or 25 numbers so in the majority of the drawings, we have no chance of winning the jackpot. By using all the numbers with a small win guarantee, we at least have a chance to hit the jackpot in every drawing. Though not the best example because matching 2 numbers pays a free ticket, we'll use last night's Florida Fantasy Five as an example of the effect of how the numbers are entered into a wheel. The winning numbers were 1-2-9-10-33.

      An example of a 25 combo 2 if 5 of 39 number abbreviated wheel where the numbers are placed into the wheel by ascending order:

      1. 01-02-14-21-28
      2. 01-02-19-27-35
      3. 01-04-05-08-31
      4. 01-05-11-12-33
      5. 01-07-12-15-20
      6. 01-08-09-15-24
      7. 01-10-14-17-27
      8. 02-03-04-11-17
      9. 02-03-07-10-33
      10. 03-05-09-34-36
      11. 03-12-33-38-39
      12. 04-10-14-19-35
      13. 04-10-21-27-28
      14. 05-07-11-38-39
      15. 06-08-23-25-26
      16. 06-09-20-24-31
      17. 06-15-31-34-36
      18. 08-20-24-34-36
      19. 13-16-25-29-37
      20. 13-18-26-29-32
      21. 13-22-23-29-30
      22. 16-18-23-32-37
      23. 16-22-26-30-37
      24. 17-19-21-28-35
      25. 18-22-25-30-32

      (Generated by the Lottery Post Pick 5 Abbreviated 2 if 5 of 39
      http://www.lotterypost.com)

      The results show five 2 number matches and one 3 number match. Here is the same wheel by changing the order just two of the numbers are entered: Look at line #9!

      1. 02-03-14-21-28
      2. 02-03-19-27-35
      3. 03-04-05-08-31
      4. 03-05-11-12-33
      5. 03-09-12-15-20
      6. 03-07-08-15-24
      7. 03-10-14-17-27
      8. 01-02-04-11-17
      9. 01-02-09-10-33
      10. 01-05-07-34-36
      11. 01-12-33-38-39
      12. 04-10-14-19-35
      13. 04-10-21-27-28
      14. 05-09-11-38-39
      15. 06-08-23-25-26
      16. 06-07-20-24-31
      17. 06-15-31-34-36
      18. 08-20-24-34-36
      19. 13-16-25-29-37
      20. 13-18-26-29-32
      21. 13-22-23-29-30
      22. 16-18-23-32-37
      23. 16-22-26-30-37
      24. 17-19-21-28-35
      25. 18-22-25-30-32

      Here's a third example by entering the numbers in descending order:

      1. 12-19-26-38-39
      2. 05-13-21-38-39
      3. 09-32-35-36-39
      4. 07-28-29-35-39
      5. 20-25-28-33-39
      6. 16-25-31-32-39
      7. 13-23-26-30-39
      8. 23-29-36-37-38
      9. 07-30-33-37-38
      10. 04-06-31-35-37
      11. 01-02-07-28-37
      12. 05-21-26-30-36
      13. 12-13-19-30-36
      14. 01-02-29-33-35
      15. 14-15-17-32-34
      16. 09-16-20-31-34
      17. 04-06-09-25-34
      18. 04-06-16-20-32
      19. 03-11-15-24-27
      20. 08-11-14-22-27
      21. 10-11-17-18-27
      22. 03-08-17-22-24
      23. 03-10-14-18-24
      24. 05-12-19-21-23
      25. 08-10-15-18-22

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        Posted: August 28, 2010, 9:56 pm - IP Logged

        I decided to try 20 lines again for tonight's PB drawing.  I posted the first ten on the prediction board.

            1. 06 17 27 33 47 +39
            2. 09 25 29 30 42 +21
            3. 04 12 21 32 37 +31
            4. 10 18 26 28 46 +30
            5. 01 19 22 31 44 +27
            6. 13 23 36 38 53 +04
            7. 20 35 41 48 55 +37
            8. 17 23 32 46 50 +25
            9. 21 31 41 50 59 +09
           10. 11 26 29 36 43 +32
           11. 10 19 20 33 45 +15
           12. 13 16 27 28 42 +03
           13. 18 37 38 47 59 +29
           14. 16 25 35 44 53 +02
           15. 25 37 43 45 48 +20
           16. 20 28 31 43 56 +23
           17. 06 21 23 35 45 +10
           18. 08 17 19 38 41 +36
           19. 01 12 13 26 30 +24
           20. 03 27 29 32 54 +06

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          "Anyway, what do you mean by the order you put the numbers in your wheel?  What difference does it make, when the numbers are sorted in descending order?  I was wondering if Gail's wheels are different from other wheels and now you seem to be lending some credence to that."

          The order the numbers are entered into the wheel applies to all abbreviated wheels. Before PB and MM when it was just 6/42 to 6/54 lotto games, the 42 combo 4 if 6 of 18 number wheel was a favorite as where some of the lower priced wheels like the 19 combo 4 if 6 of 15 numbers I played. I suppose I got lucky when I started playing the wheel because I had 4 number matches by only matching 4 numbers. It never occurred to me the wheel only guaranteed a four number match by matching 6 of my numbers until I matched 5 of my numbers and didn't have a 4 number match.

          I bought one of Gail Howard's first books and most of the abbreviated wheels I played were unbalanced and they showed what you could win by matching 4, 5, or 6 numbers. What wasn't explained was a full 15 number wheel has 5005 combinations and only 1 combo has all 6 numbers so even if I matched all 6 numbers I only had 1 chance out of 263 of winning the jackpot.

          No need to explain the difficulty of matching 6 out of 15, 18, or 25 numbers so in the majority of the drawings, we have no chance of winning the jackpot. By using all the numbers with a small win guarantee, we at least have a chance to hit the jackpot in every drawing. Though not the best example because matching 2 numbers pays a free ticket, we'll use last night's Florida Fantasy Five as an example of the effect of how the numbers are entered into a wheel. The winning numbers were 1-2-9-10-33.

          An example of a 25 combo 2 if 5 of 39 number abbreviated wheel where the numbers are placed into the wheel by ascending order:

          1. 01-02-14-21-28
          2. 01-02-19-27-35
          3. 01-04-05-08-31
          4. 01-05-11-12-33
          5. 01-07-12-15-20
          6. 01-08-09-15-24
          7. 01-10-14-17-27
          8. 02-03-04-11-17
          9. 02-03-07-10-33
          10. 03-05-09-34-36
          11. 03-12-33-38-39
          12. 04-10-14-19-35
          13. 04-10-21-27-28
          14. 05-07-11-38-39
          15. 06-08-23-25-26
          16. 06-09-20-24-31
          17. 06-15-31-34-36
          18. 08-20-24-34-36
          19. 13-16-25-29-37
          20. 13-18-26-29-32
          21. 13-22-23-29-30
          22. 16-18-23-32-37
          23. 16-22-26-30-37
          24. 17-19-21-28-35
          25. 18-22-25-30-32

          (Generated by the Lottery Post Pick 5 Abbreviated 2 if 5 of 39
          http://www.lotterypost.com)

          The results show five 2 number matches and one 3 number match. Here is the same wheel by changing the order just two of the numbers are entered: Look at line #9!

          1. 02-03-14-21-28
          2. 02-03-19-27-35
          3. 03-04-05-08-31
          4. 03-05-11-12-33
          5. 03-09-12-15-20
          6. 03-07-08-15-24
          7. 03-10-14-17-27
          8. 01-02-04-11-17
          9. 01-02-09-10-33
          10. 01-05-07-34-36
          11. 01-12-33-38-39
          12. 04-10-14-19-35
          13. 04-10-21-27-28
          14. 05-09-11-38-39
          15. 06-08-23-25-26
          16. 06-07-20-24-31
          17. 06-15-31-34-36
          18. 08-20-24-34-36
          19. 13-16-25-29-37
          20. 13-18-26-29-32
          21. 13-22-23-29-30
          22. 16-18-23-32-37
          23. 16-22-26-30-37
          24. 17-19-21-28-35
          25. 18-22-25-30-32

          Here's a third example by entering the numbers in descending order:

          1. 12-19-26-38-39
          2. 05-13-21-38-39
          3. 09-32-35-36-39
          4. 07-28-29-35-39
          5. 20-25-28-33-39
          6. 16-25-31-32-39
          7. 13-23-26-30-39
          8. 23-29-36-37-38
          9. 07-30-33-37-38
          10. 04-06-31-35-37
          11. 01-02-07-28-37
          12. 05-21-26-30-36
          13. 12-13-19-30-36
          14. 01-02-29-33-35
          15. 14-15-17-32-34
          16. 09-16-20-31-34
          17. 04-06-09-25-34
          18. 04-06-16-20-32
          19. 03-11-15-24-27
          20. 08-11-14-22-27
          21. 10-11-17-18-27
          22. 03-08-17-22-24
          23. 03-10-14-18-24
          24. 05-12-19-21-23
          25. 08-10-15-18-22

          I see.  I always put them in ascending order, so that problem won't occur for me.

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            I apologize in advance, what I'm about to say may offend many people: 

            This thread saddens me.  Playing the lottery should be for entertainment purposes only, not a retirement program.  To be perfectly honest and blunt, the only people I see 'breaking'  a mega millions or powerball type lotto are those doing it with the help of something like IBM's Big Blue.   It would take a group of people with a different purpose than 'I want to be rich', a very tight knit group with legitimate lawyers on stand by and an ironclad contract.  I'm not seeing it in this thread.  I do see some people with 'Park Place' hoping against hope that whomever owns 'Boardwalk' will be willing to share.... for no other reason than that the 'Park Place'ers believe they deserve what 'Boardwalk' won.

            Ironically, there's a whole lot of 'mine not yours I don't want to share' in this thread, as well.  You can't have that attitude with a group contract.

            I do hope all of you win, and win big, this year and next year and for years to come.  And I hope everyone here is only doing this as a hobby.  Anything outside of a hobby is a gambling addiction for which one needs to seek help.

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              I think this thread has run its course.

              Pompi76 has a good idea, but it's a flop. No one has offered any plausible ideas on how to make it work.

              I was hoping to get some feed back on the strategy I use to generate numbers, but I got nothing. I don't know why I expected otherwise.
              Seems everyone has a lottery plan they believe will eventually be successful. More power to them!!

              I'm not sure I understand what Iesha Kelly is saying, but, speaking for myself, playing the lottery is more of hobby than a need. I have
              the time to pursue it. Actually, it's entertainment and a lot of fun to try to beat the odds. Winning a jackpot would be nice, but I've never
              been that lucky.

              The Texas heat wave is over. Time to put in a Fall garden!

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                In case anyone is interested, the best the 20 lines I posted for last night PB drawing did was to match 2 twice.  With out a bonus ball match, I've had nothing.

                Bobby623, the best feed back you can get is the results of the numbers you post.  You know how well they did whether anyone else mention it or not.

                Iesha Kelly opinion doesn't apply to anyone in this thread so I don't know why it was posted.

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                  I apologize in advance, what I'm about to say may offend many people: 

                  This thread saddens me.  Playing the lottery should be for entertainment purposes only, not a retirement program.  To be perfectly honest and blunt, the only people I see 'breaking'  a mega millions or powerball type lotto are those doing it with the help of something like IBM's Big Blue.   It would take a group of people with a different purpose than 'I want to be rich', a very tight knit group with legitimate lawyers on stand by and an ironclad contract.  I'm not seeing it in this thread.  I do see some people with 'Park Place' hoping against hope that whomever owns 'Boardwalk' will be willing to share.... for no other reason than that the 'Park Place'ers believe they deserve what 'Boardwalk' won.

                  Ironically, there's a whole lot of 'mine not yours I don't want to share' in this thread, as well.  You can't have that attitude with a group contract.

                  I do hope all of you win, and win big, this year and next year and for years to come.  And I hope everyone here is only doing this as a hobby.  Anything outside of a hobby is a gambling addiction for which one needs to seek help.

                  Good points Iesha,

                  And in regard to this observation...

                  "It would take a group of people with a different purpose than 'I want to be rich', a very tight knit group with legitimate lawyers on stand by and an ironclad contract."

                  And even this elite group is likely to fail, UNLESS at least one of them is a member of the IT group that administers the lottery they target.  And they better have VERY GOOD lawyers! Smiley

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                    I see.  I always put them in ascending order, so that problem won't occur for me.

                    The first problem is finding a smaller group of numbers that consistently matches 5 numbers because you can't win the jackpot without matching 5 numbers. The second problem is finding a way when you do match 5 numbers from that group to that have them on the same line.

                    The first problem problem can be solved by playing all 39 numbers using a smaller win guarantee.  The minimum play is 8 lines using 38 numbers once and 1 number two times. The example I gave used a 2 if 5 guarantee with 25 lines.

                    "I always put them in ascending order, so that problem won't occur for me."

                    I showed by putting the numbers into the wheel in ascending order there were five 2 number matches and one 3 number match. By just changing how two of the numbers were entered in the second example, all 5 numbers were on the same line hitting the jackpot. The same wheel played using ascending order for Saturday's drawing, would result in only two 2 number matches.

                    The wheel always matches 5 numbers so the order the number are entered is the only problem preventing multiple jackpot hit. Now if we could only talk Pumpi into firing up his superputer and finding the correct order.

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                      can 1 person call a thread dead and done with?

                      2014 = -1016; 2015= -1409; 2016 JAN = -106; FEB= -81; MAR= -131; APR= - 87: MAY= -91; JUN= -39; JUL=-134; AUG= -124; SEP = -123; OCT= -84  NOV=- 73 TOT= -3498

                      keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= JAN=-32, FEB= +12 , MAR= -86, APR = -77. MAY= -48, JUN= -29, JUL=-71; AUG = -52; SEPT= -43; OCT = +56 NOV = -33 TOT= -3297

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                        can 1 person call a thread dead and done with?

                        Nope.

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                          I think this thread has run its course.

                          Pompi76 has a good idea, but it's a flop. No one has offered any plausible ideas on how to make it work.

                          I was hoping to get some feed back on the strategy I use to generate numbers, but I got nothing. I don't know why I expected otherwise.
                          Seems everyone has a lottery plan they believe will eventually be successful. More power to them!!

                          I'm not sure I understand what Iesha Kelly is saying, but, speaking for myself, playing the lottery is more of hobby than a need. I have
                          the time to pursue it. Actually, it's entertainment and a lot of fun to try to beat the odds. Winning a jackpot would be nice, but I've never
                          been that lucky.

                          The Texas heat wave is over. Time to put in a Fall garden!

                          "Pompi76 has a good idea, but it's a flop. No one has offered any plausible ideas on how to make it work."

                          I'm pretty sure Pumpi meant 80,000 members putting their collective heads together to create a system where some or one of them could win a PB, MM, or lotto jackpot every day. I'd be satisfied if I could catch a pick-3 number straight once every three months playing $10 a day on one number while others might not be satisfied winning a $50 million jackpot once in a lifetime.

                          "I was hoping to get some feed back on the strategy I use to generate numbers, but I got nothing. I don't know why I expected otherwise."

                          Your strategy maybe a little too complicated for the average bear and my $25 a drawing 5/39 strategy is probably too expensive for players that average less then $20 a week playing the lottery. The average player wants magic formulas that will hit the pick-3 everyday on a $1 wager or a PB or MM system that will hit the jackpot on a $5 wager and that's why this topic seems to be a flop.

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                            In case anyone is interested, the best the 20 lines I posted for last night PB drawing did was to match 2 twice.  With out a bonus ball match, I've had nothing.

                            Bobby623, the best feed back you can get is the results of the numbers you post.  You know how well they did whether anyone else mention it or not.

                            Iesha Kelly opinion doesn't apply to anyone in this thread so I don't know why it was posted.

                            "Iesha Kelly opinion doesn't apply to anyone in this thread so I don't know why it was posted."

                            Apparently Iesha Kelly didn't understand the topic and thought Pumpi was suggesting a 80,000 member lottery pool.

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                              Everyone's strategy is probably based on their unique experiences and circumstances.  Combining them all into one working strategy was never possible but a thread like this allows them to be explained and compared and give those who think lottery strategies are a waste of time a place to post their comments.

                              Personally I don't think anything posted in this thread is going to change anyone style of playing but the ideas are interesting.

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