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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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Posted: September 9, 2010, 3:17 pm - IP Logged

One more try, I posted the first 10 on the prediction board.

 10 31 32 37 53    +29
 09 17 35 48 51    +36
 13 16 21 40 45    +26
 11 26 28 39 47    +03
 05 14 29 44 55    +02
 01 15 23 38 50    +10
 07 21 26 38 44    +13
 04 13 28 31 54    +37
 08 23 45 47 53    +38
 07 15 36 37 49    +05

 10 27 29 40 50    +09
 09 16 30 36 55    +32
 08 32 39 48 59    +30
 12 14 30 35 49    +31
 06 21 27 31 48    +11
 06 14 16 47 54    +15
 08 27 38 49 55    +04
 13 23 29 39 58    +27
 09 28 37 50 56    +06
 06 17 26 36 53    +20
 04 12 32 45 51    +25
 15 17 30 44 57    +23

Last night I successfully reduced my PB pool of numbers to 44 WB and 22 PB with all the winning numbers there by reducing my odds of winning to:

  MATCH   ODDS
  5/5+B  1 : 23892176
  5/5+0  1 : 1137723
  4/5+B  1 : 122524
  4/5+0  1 : 5834
  3/5+B  1 : 3224
  3/5+0  1 : 154
  2/5+B  1 : 261
  1/5+B  1 : 58
  0/5+B  1 : 41
 _____________________________
 overall odds are 1 : 19.1

and still only matched 0+1 for $3

Winning numbers were:  09/08/10 - 10 35 39 51 57    +20

 10 31 32 37 53    +29
 09 17 35 48 51    +36
 13 16 21 40 45    +26
 11 26 28 39 47    +03
 05 14 29 44 55    +02
 01 15 23 38 50    +10
 07 21 26 38 44    +13
 04 13 28 31 54    +37
 08 23 45 47 53    +38
 07 15 36 37 49    +05

 10 27 29 40 50    +09
 09 16 30 36 55    +32
 08 32 39 48 59    +30
 12 14 30 35 49    +31
 06 21 27 31 48    +11
 06 14 16 47 54    +15
 08 27 38 49 55    +04
 13 23 29 39 58    +27
 09 28 37 50 56    +06
 06 17 26 36 53    +20
  04 12 32 45 51    +25
 15 17 30 44 57    +23

    Luminus's avatar - ouskuu

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    Last night I successfully reduced my PB pool of numbers to 44 WB and 22 PB with all the winning numbers there by reducing my odds of winning to:

      MATCH   ODDS
      5/5+B  1 : 23892176
      5/5+0  1 : 1137723
      4/5+B  1 : 122524
      4/5+0  1 : 5834
      3/5+B  1 : 3224
      3/5+0  1 : 154
      2/5+B  1 : 261
      1/5+B  1 : 58
      0/5+B  1 : 41
     _____________________________
     overall odds are 1 : 19.1

    and still only matched 0+1 for $3

    Winning numbers were:  09/08/10 - 10 35 39 51 57    +20

     10 31 32 37 53    +29
     09 17 35 48 51    +36
     13 16 21 40 45    +26
     11 26 28 39 47    +03
     05 14 29 44 55    +02
     01 15 23 38 50    +10
     07 21 26 38 44    +13
     04 13 28 31 54    +37
     08 23 45 47 53    +38
     07 15 36 37 49    +05

     10 27 29 40 50    +09
     09 16 30 36 55    +32
     08 32 39 48 59    +30
     12 14 30 35 49    +31
     06 21 27 31 48    +11
     06 14 16 47 54    +15
     08 27 38 49 55    +04
     13 23 29 39 58    +27
     09 28 37 50 56    +06
     06 17 26 36 53    +20
      04 12 32 45 51    +25
     15 17 30 44 57    +23

    That's because you're playing with too many numbers.  You need to reduce your pool to within 15-18 numbers for any significant hits.  That's why I don't bother with those games.  Just use a QP.Yes Nod

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      That's because you're playing with too many numbers.  You need to reduce your pool to within 15-18 numbers for any significant hits.  That's why I don't bother with those games.  Just use a QP.Yes Nod

      So you're saying using all 59 WB and 39 PB in my number pool  with QPs and increasing my odds of winning to 1:195,249,054 instead of 1:23,892,176 would have improved my odds of winning? LOL

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        "I'm going to stick my neck out and conjecture that the feigned lack of interest in my testing is not because people KNOW what the results will be, but rather, they are AFRAID of what the results MIGHT be!"

        You probably don't understand how they are using their TTTs workouts and because they don't now or never played all the possible three digit straight numbers over the last 33.5 years, your testing is useless information. A more conclusive test for them would show how many drawings in the next month any three digits from the workout were drawn.

        "What is already known?"

        If this TTT workout doesn't produce hits another one will be tried, but Twedk's workout is producing hits to their own satisfaction so your opinion is irrelevant to them. It's really no different than trying to debunk thousands of other pick-3 methods that seem illogical to you. If somebody gets a nice hit in South Carolina from a dream about a skunk in California, does it really matter that much to you that you have to show why it would not show a profit in PA over the past 33.5 years?

        Stack47,

        "...your testing is useless information. A more conclusive test for them would show how many drawings in the next month any three digits from the workout were drawn."

        I think if you take another look you will find that is precisely what my backtest is finding, counting, and displaying !!

        Confused

          You must be talking about something else.  If so, what is it?  Do you want to see the result of the expansion of the 16 base set into its 96(MAX) BOX combinations?

        Before I will take the time to modify and test the program to do the BOX calculations, a useless exercise by the way, I will require a firm prediction from you as to what you expect the result will be.

        Check the format of the output of the latest TTT backtest.  Note the last entry in the file.  There were 162 winning Straight tickets among the 169,681 purchased.  There are a maximum of 96 unique BOX combinations of the 16 numbers in the TTT set.  The maximum tickets that could be required to buy Straight bets for the [up to] 6 combinations of each of the 16 TTT picks would be over 1,000,000.  I'm sure you'll agree that the number will be less than 1,000,000, but definitely a large number, right?  Since you've had more experience than me calculating these kinds of combinations, perhaps you can tell me exactly what that number will be.  But the important question for you to answer, if you would like to see a complete Backtest of the BOX combinations is:

        Question for Stack47:

        WHAT % OF THE 1 MILLION ( ± ) STRAIGHT BETS PURCHASED WILL BE $500 WINNERS?

        I, and I'm sure no one else will hold you to an exact answer.  I would think ±10% would be close enough.

        I'll give you a hint:  You will need about 2000 hits to BREAK EVEN on your $Million Investment!!

        --Jimmy4164

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          "You must be talking about something else.  If so, what is it?"

          I'm talking about how people play TTTs! For some reason you keep on assuming they play all the possible combos in every drawing, but they don't. 

          "Do you want to see the result of the expansion of the 16 base set into its 96(MAX) BOX combinations?"

          It's all useless information to anyone not playing your way. If the TTT produces any kind of hits, players I know try to isolate where in the grid the hits come from and adjust their play accordingly.

          "There are a maximum of 96 unique BOX combinations of the 16 numbers in the TTT set."

          The last time I looked there are 9 digits on a TTT grid creating at the most 84 unique box combinations and 504 straight combos. But this again is useless information to the average players I know who choose 2 or 3 combos and plays 50 cent back-ups.

          "WHAT % OF THE 1 MILLION ( ± ) STRAIGHT BETS PURCHASED WILL BE $500 WINNERS? "

          Over time that number should be pretty close to whatever the lottery vig is. PA pays $500 for $1 so they should expect to profit on average $510,000 for every $1 million in sales.

          "I think if you take another look you will find that is precisely what my backtest is finding, counting, and displaying !!"

          Using your method in PA, the back testing showed no straight hits for almost 8 years as if anybody would actually continue to play a system that failed that many months in a row. If you're trying to prove your method of play in PA doesn't work, you certainly proved your point.

          In the TTT thread you directed me to, intuition and hunches are used to choose the numbers so unless I happen to have the right intuition and hunches, that system is useless to me. I'm no expert on how all players choose their numbers nor is it any of my business how much they win or lose. If people are having fun discussing and/or playing any type of system it should be no skin off yours nose or mine.


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            "You must be talking about something else.  If so, what is it?"

            I'm talking about how people play TTTs! For some reason you keep on assuming they play all the possible combos in every drawing, but they don't. 

            "Do you want to see the result of the expansion of the 16 base set into its 96(MAX) BOX combinations?"

            It's all useless information to anyone not playing your way. If the TTT produces any kind of hits, players I know try to isolate where in the grid the hits come from and adjust their play accordingly.

            "There are a maximum of 96 unique BOX combinations of the 16 numbers in the TTT set."

            The last time I looked there are 9 digits on a TTT grid creating at the most 84 unique box combinations and 504 straight combos. But this again is useless information to the average players I know who choose 2 or 3 combos and plays 50 cent back-ups.

            "WHAT % OF THE 1 MILLION ( ± ) STRAIGHT BETS PURCHASED WILL BE $500 WINNERS? "

            Over time that number should be pretty close to whatever the lottery vig is. PA pays $500 for $1 so they should expect to profit on average $510,000 for every $1 million in sales.

            "I think if you take another look you will find that is precisely what my backtest is finding, counting, and displaying !!"

            Using your method in PA, the back testing showed no straight hits for almost 8 years as if anybody would actually continue to play a system that failed that many months in a row. If you're trying to prove your method of play in PA doesn't work, you certainly proved your point.

            In the TTT thread you directed me to, intuition and hunches are used to choose the numbers so unless I happen to have the right intuition and hunches, that system is useless to me. I'm no expert on how all players choose their numbers nor is it any of my business how much they win or lose. If people are having fun discussing and/or playing any type of system it should be no skin off yours nose or mine.

            "If you're trying to prove your method of play in PA doesn't work, you certainly proved your point."

            And just what is my "method of play?"  Personally, I don't have a method, other than buying Quick Picks.

            "Using your method in PA, the back testing showed no straight hits for almost 8 years as if anybody would actually continue to play a system that failed that many months in a row."

            Please reread your own statement here.  Why can you not see that you are making my point?  You are telling me that "MY" method fails because I bet on too many numbers, up to 16 per dayPlease tell me how "YOUR" method of discarding some of these 16 would have resulted in MORE PROFIT during the 8 year dry spell you refer to! Confused

            After posting the results of simple betting schemes like "Bet on Yesterday's Winner," and dealing with your (and others') excuses for the result being the same as would be expected from a QP, I was sure you would see the light when I showed you how even sophisticated systems like Rick G's Variance system and now Twedk's TTT, ALL RESULT IN THE SAME OUTCOME!  But apparently, that is not going to happen.  Even after admitting that you will LOSE 1/2 of all the money you spend on a Pick3 game over time, you still persist in the delusion that somehow there is an advantage when "intuition and hunches" are applied to the generated sets to reduce the number of bets.  You completely missed the point of my paragraph that should have convinced you that IF there are "Golden Nuggets" among the 16 basic TTT picks, THEN they would RAISE the overall number of wins above that expected by chance, EVEN IF the "Coppers" were bet on as well.  You missed the point because the $88,681 LOSS did not agree with your beliefs.

            I TRULY hope someone out there is learning something from all this, because you are surely not.

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              So you're saying using all 59 WB and 39 PB in my number pool  with QPs and increasing my odds of winning to 1:195,249,054 instead of 1:23,892,176 would have improved my odds of winning? LOL

              Absolutely not.LOL  I'm just saying, why waste the time filling out those cards?

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                "If you're trying to prove your method of play in PA doesn't work, you certainly proved your point."

                And just what is my "method of play?"  Personally, I don't have a method, other than buying Quick Picks.

                "Using your method in PA, the back testing showed no straight hits for almost 8 years as if anybody would actually continue to play a system that failed that many months in a row."

                Please reread your own statement here.  Why can you not see that you are making my point?  You are telling me that "MY" method fails because I bet on too many numbers, up to 16 per dayPlease tell me how "YOUR" method of discarding some of these 16 would have resulted in MORE PROFIT during the 8 year dry spell you refer to! Confused

                After posting the results of simple betting schemes like "Bet on Yesterday's Winner," and dealing with your (and others') excuses for the result being the same as would be expected from a QP, I was sure you would see the light when I showed you how even sophisticated systems like Rick G's Variance system and now Twedk's TTT, ALL RESULT IN THE SAME OUTCOME!  But apparently, that is not going to happen.  Even after admitting that you will LOSE 1/2 of all the money you spend on a Pick3 game over time, you still persist in the delusion that somehow there is an advantage when "intuition and hunches" are applied to the generated sets to reduce the number of bets.  You completely missed the point of my paragraph that should have convinced you that IF there are "Golden Nuggets" among the 16 basic TTT picks, THEN they would RAISE the overall number of wins above that expected by chance, EVEN IF the "Coppers" were bet on as well.  You missed the point because the $88,681 LOSS did not agree with your beliefs.

                I TRULY hope someone out there is learning something from all this, because you are surely not.

                "Please tell me how "YOUR" method of discarding some of these 16 would have resulted in MORE PROFIT during the 8 year dry spell you refer to!"

                I don't have a method; I just know how players use TTTs. They can use up to 9 different digits in their workout, as low as 3, or a number in between. Some players make one every day, others once a week, or once a month like Twedk is doing. If they use 9 different digits to play in the next drawing, the probability against not matching 3 of those digits is the same as the probability of a double being drawn or the digit they didn't use being drawn. Using the TTT for a week or a month gives more chance that 3 digits from the TTT will be drawn.

                Your method showed how you would place the digits from a TTT workout into an order to produce 16 straight combos and used that same order for the entire history of the PA pick-3. It's all useless information because that's not how any of the players I knew or know use their TTT workouts.

                "ALL RESULT IN THE SAME OUTCOME!"

                Your results show the same outcome because you ignore the fact that no TTT players I know used your method for the entire history of any pick-3 drawing. Twedk's TTT produced hits last month and is producing hits this month. If that method fails to produce hits in the next couple of months, Twedk will probably scrap it and try something else like most pick-3 players do. Why do you keep on assuming any player would continue using a failed method for the next 400 months? 

                "You missed the point because the $88,681 LOSS did not agree with your beliefs."

                If you believe the average pick-3 player or any gambler would wager even $1 a day for the next 33 years without ever winning, you have no clue. What makes that statement even more preposterous is they would have to lose on average $8 a day to lose that much money.

                "I TRULY hope someone out there is learning something from all this, because you are surely not."

                There is no need to start a poll asking how many pick-3 players wagered the same amount on the same number for even 10 years much less 30 in any pick-3 game so you have taught nothing. Even if there is one player and they saw the light from your word of wisdom, they would probably still ignore your advice and continue to play the same way.

                You have no clue how the average pick-3 player choose numbers and wagers on the outcome.

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                  If you're telling me that the TTT players in Twedk's thread already know they might just as well buy QPs, I don't agree, and I don't think they would either.  So, again, I ask.  What is already known?  Or, should I ask, "What is believed?"

                  I'm not telling you anything, if you are serious you will post your challenge in Twedk's thread.  There may be someone who would interested in your back test of PA pick3.

                  Since this thread is about PowerBall and pick6 games, maybe you can backtest a system that pick PB combinations to play or come up with one that can win.  Good luck to you.

                  "There may be someone who would interested in your back test of PA pick3."

                  It's always been easy for me to know when a system I tried worked or failed; if it works I cash in the next day. I don't really need someone telling me why the system would have failed over the history of the game while I'm cashing the tickets. And I definitely don't need the historical statistics on a system I have no intentions of trying.

                  "Since this thread is about PowerBall and pick6 games, maybe you can backtest a system that pick PB combinations to play or come up with one that can win."

                  There has been a rash of thread hijackings lately!

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                    Absolutely not.LOL  I'm just saying, why waste the time filling out those cards?

                    With odds of a jackpot win at 1:195M, there are those who say buying a PB ticket QP or SP is a waste or time and money. No Nod   People are funny and they all have an opinion. Yes Nod   I have my own opinion. LOL

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      With odds of a jackpot win at 1:195M, there are those who say buying a PB ticket QP or SP is a waste or time and money. No Nod   People are funny and they all have an opinion. Yes Nod   I have my own opinion. LOL

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                        "There may be someone who would interested in your back test of PA pick3."

                        It's always been easy for me to know when a system I tried worked or failed; if it works I cash in the next day. I don't really need someone telling me why the system would have failed over the history of the game while I'm cashing the tickets. And I definitely don't need the historical statistics on a system I have no intentions of trying.

                        "Since this thread is about PowerBall and pick6 games, maybe you can backtest a system that pick PB combinations to play or come up with one that can win."

                        There has been a rash of thread hijackings lately!

                        http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/218174/1770500

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                          I've decided to participate in the Quick Picks vs System Picks challenged suggested by Luminus.

                          Please see the details in the Jackpot game forum.