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# If All 80,000 Members of LP Dedicated to Systems for PB and Pick6 We will Win it Everyday

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RJOH

"I doubt if a strategy that uses \$5 would be much different than \$5 worth of QPs and hoping to get lucky."

I use Gap Strategy to generate 5 combinations in just about all the lotteries I play. I sometimes wish I could

To demonstrate, here are 5 sets I generated for the 0828 Texas Cash 5/37 drawing.

The GS data I have strongly suggests that the winning combination will have at least one A, one B and one D.

Therefore the base structure that guides final number selection is ABD.

The header for the worksheet reads:  ABD -  3 choices for each letter, total of 9 numbers, playing 5 sets provides 25 spots to fill,
this means all numbers in the 9 number wheel must be used 2 times, 7 of the numbers will be used 3 times.

Using the various data streams, I selected 1.4.7.10.12.18.31.32.36.

Using the LS2004 wheeler, with adjustments, the 5 combinations to play are;

4.12.18.31.36, 1.7.10.18.36, 1.4.12.18.33, 4.7.10.31.33, 7.12.31.33.36

Note that every combination has at least one A, one B and one D.

I've been trying the solve the 'missed by one' riddle. Therefore, I'm doing some experiments.

Under normal circustances, the wheel numbers would be 3.4.5.10.15.17.35.36.37.

You would have to be familiar with GS to know how I came up with the alternate numbers.

By the way: My demonstration of GS for Texas Lotto will be posted in the Jackpot forum later today. I'm playing 50 sets vice the 100 due
to financial limitations.

Winning combination: 9.26.29.32.35 = ACCDD = ACD

My experimenting didn't make any difference.

The positional data streams didn't suggest there would be repeats at 3 different levels. Or, maybe it did and I
didn't recognize it.

Sometimes I think, when it comes to selecting lottery numbers, that  the 'wrong' side of my brain
is in complete control. I need to find a way to get the 'right' side into game.  LOL

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The first problem is finding a smaller group of numbers that consistently matches 5 numbers because you can't win the jackpot without matching 5 numbers. The second problem is finding a way when you do match 5 numbers from that group to that have them on the same line.

The first problem problem can be solved by playing all 39 numbers using a smaller win guarantee.  The minimum play is 8 lines using 38 numbers once and 1 number two times. The example I gave used a 2 if 5 guarantee with 25 lines.

"I always put them in ascending order, so that problem won't occur for me."

I showed by putting the numbers into the wheel in ascending order there were five 2 number matches and one 3 number match. By just changing how two of the numbers were entered in the second example, all 5 numbers were on the same line hitting the jackpot. The same wheel played using ascending order for Saturday's drawing, would result in only two 2 number matches.

The wheel always matches 5 numbers so the order the number are entered is the only problem preventing multiple jackpot hit. Now if we could only talk Pumpi into firing up his superputer and finding the correct order.

Okay, I guess I didn't understand that explanation properly.  I'll play around with the positions and see what happens.  Thanks!

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Looks like there were 100 lines too many, the best hits were in the first 100 lines.  With the first 100 lines and a little luck like the MB on line 83 being 23 instead of 24, this strategy could have broke even.

I'm not a pool players, so I think I'll stick with my usual 10-25 lines per drawing and leave the pool strategies to the pool players.

I decided to try again with a 100 lines and see what happens.  These are my 100 picks for tonight PowerBall drawing.   I posted the first 10 on the prediction board and actually played the first 20 lines.

Simulation #2

All 59 WB used at least 5 times
All 39 PB used at least twice - 2 winners for sure.

1. 17 32 36 51 59 +37
2. 04 27 33 35 47 +25
3. 02 13 18 29 30 +26
4. 05 11 20 25 26 +13
5. 08 22 23 31 55 +03
6. 14 21 28 39 54 +02
7. 15 37 38 45 57 +10
8. 12 34 41 46 53 +39
9. 07 16 19 42 48 +31
10. 10 40 43 44 50 +36
11. 20 21 31 43 48 +30
12. 08 19 30 33 49 +27
13. 12 13 16 22 39 +04
14. 09 32 34 44 56 +06
15. 14 23 45 47 49 +15
16. 09 24 26 36 41 +20
17. 07 24 27 37 46 +23
18. 01 25 29 35 51 +21
19. 18 38 40 52 56 +23
20. 15 28 42 50 59 +30
21. 17 22 25 40 47 +06
22. 11 30 35 36 54 +01
23. 07 09 20 29 39 +21
24. 03 18 21 35 53 +37
25. 03 20 30 38 55 +09
26. 18 25 33 41 58 +09
27. 06 23 37 39 58 +05
28. 05 13 14 31 46 +14
29. 01 06 21 33 34 +31
30. 02 26 27 31 49 +10
31. 01 10 22 24 42 +14
32. 04 26 28 29 52 +27
33. 12 15 19 32 43 +38
34. 07 28 33 40 48 +05
35. 17 23 39 43 56 +35
36. 04 06 13 21 25 +22
37. 09 31 38 44 47 +02
38. 04 10 23 34 36 +32
39. 10 16 29 33 49 +19
40. 08 24 32 35 59 +39
41. 10 32 39 41 54 +34
42. 10 35 42 45 55 +22
43. 06 17 26 37 48 +07
44. 02 19 23 37 50 +04
45. 16 29 38 41 59 +38
46. 20 36 40 52 53 +12
47. 06 11 14 27 29 +25
48. 15 27 30 43 51 +07
49. 05 17 30 34 48 +29
50. 09 11 12 28 30 +01
51. 11 13 33 44 46 +36
52. 19 23 24 51 52 +03
53. 19 25 27 52 57 +11
54. 15 24 47 50 55 +29
55. 38 45 50 51 58 +15
56. 37 40 49 54 56 +17
57. 22 42 53 56 57 +20
58. 01 08 11 18 26 +16
59. 01 03 12 17 36 +26
60. 22 44 53 54 58 +12
61. 03 08 14 16 42 +18
62. 18 41 48 51 54 +28
63. 21 38 44 46 57 +18
64. 02 12 15 23 31 +28
65. 18 34 45 46 58 +33
66. 07 16 28 32 51 +13
67. 03 05 14 31 36 +16
68. 20 35 41 55 57 +34
69. 24 49 50 57 59 +33
70. 04 05 13 25 40 +17
71. 16 24 36 37 52 +35
72. 06 11 14 17 31 +19
73. 20 31 39 51 54 +24
74. 06 07 21 40 42 +24
75. 21 29 40 43 50 +32
76. 21 24 32 34 41 +08
77. 12 20 21 25 55 +08
78. 19 20 25 43 45 +11
79. 20 35 46 51 54 +39
80. 08 24 25 38 50 +04
81. 21 30 42 49 51 +08
82. 24 26 30 54 58 +13
83. 12 13 33 46 47 +19
84. 10 23 29 41 49 +07
85. 06 09 11 35 42 +28
86. 15 29 31 38 46 +35
87. 10 28 41 44 51 +05
88. 08 34 38 39 45 +38
89. 18 22 28 43 55 +29
90. 12 29 34 37 53 +16
91. 19 27 28 47 56 +11
92. 14 25 43 46 52 +18
93. 12 22 32 34 50 +20
94. 04 13 17 19 31 +02
95. 03 26 33 36 57 +01
96. 04 15 20 36 45 +24
97. 02 26 27 35 44 +31
98. 09 27 36 42 59 +09
99. 23 40 47 52 55 +14
100. 14 45 47 48 58 +36

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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WED 09/01/10 - 17 20 21 40 51 +19

39. 10 16 29 33 49    +19    \$3
72. 06 11 14 17 31    +19    \$4
83. 12 13 33 46 47    +19    \$3

TOTAL WINNINGS \$10

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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tks for sharing RJOh. i guess the message im getting is that who ever wins has to be lucky.

2014 = -1016; 2015= -1409; 2016 JAN = -106; FEB= -81; MAR= -131; APR= - 87: MAY= -91; JUN= -39; JUL=-134; AUG= -124; SEP = -123; OCT= -84  NOV=- 73 TOT= -3498

keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= JAN=-32, FEB= +12 , MAR= -86, APR = -77. MAY= -48, JUN= -29, JUL=-71; AUG = -52; SEPT= -43; OCT = +56 NOV = -33 TOT= -3297

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tks for sharing RJOh. i guess the message im getting is that who ever wins has to be lucky.

Maybe I should spend more time trying to figure out how to get lucky rather than how to win.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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One more try, I posted the first 10 on the prediction board.

10 31 32 37 53    +29
09 17 35 48 51    +36
13 16 21 40 45    +26
11 26 28 39 47    +03
05 14 29 44 55    +02
01 15 23 38 50    +10
07 21 26 38 44    +13
04 13 28 31 54    +37
08 23 45 47 53    +38
07 15 36 37 49    +05

10 27 29 40 50    +09
09 16 30 36 55    +32
08 32 39 48 59    +30
12 14 30 35 49    +31
06 21 27 31 48    +11
06 14 16 47 54    +15
08 27 38 49 55    +04
13 23 29 39 58    +27
09 28 37 50 56    +06
06 17 26 36 53    +20
04 12 32 45 51    +25
15 17 30 44 57    +23

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Maybe I should spend more time trying to figure out how to get lucky rather than how to win.

If your thinking keeps you headed in this direction, you might even

break down and help me finalize the full backtest of the popular TTT!

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If your thinking keeps you headed in this direction, you might even

break down and help me finalize the full backtest of the popular TTT!

Have you checked the pick3 forum?  They are several TTT systems with different rules and they are tested practically every drawing.  Back testing isn't going to reveal anything that's not already known.  Besides I don't play the pick3 or pick4 games.

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Have you checked the pick3 forum?  They are several TTT systems with different rules and they are tested practically every drawing.  Back testing isn't going to reveal anything that's not already known.  Besides I don't play the pick3 or pick4 games.

RJOh,

"Back testing isn't going to reveal anything that's not already known."

The discussions I've read indicate many people think their TTT systems are giving them and edge.  You say they are tested practically every drawing.  Of what value is that?  My program is prepared to test TTT's over 11,600 drawings, which I think would be a much better test than one draw.  My preliminary results reveal two \$500 wins within 5 days of each other near the beginning of the run.  I thought someone might be curious to see the full test.

If you're telling me that the TTT players in Twedk's thread already know they might just as well buy QPs, I don't agree, and I don't think they would either.  So, again, I ask.  What is already known?  Or, should I ask, "What is believed?"

I'm going to stick my neck out and conjecture that the feigned lack of interest in my testing is not because people KNOW what the results will be, but rather, they are AFRAID of what the results MIGHT be!

--Jimmy4164

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If you're telling me that the TTT players in Twedk's thread already know they might just as well buy QPs, I don't agree, and I don't think they would either.  So, again, I ask.  What is already known?  Or, should I ask, "What is believed?"

I'm not telling you anything, if you are serious you will post your challenge in Twedk's thread.  There may be someone who would interested in your back test of PA pick3.

Since this thread is about PowerBall and pick6 games, maybe you can backtest a system that pick PB combinations to play or come up with one that can win.  Good luck to you.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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RJOh,

"Back testing isn't going to reveal anything that's not already known."

The discussions I've read indicate many people think their TTT systems are giving them and edge.  You say they are tested practically every drawing.  Of what value is that?  My program is prepared to test TTT's over 11,600 drawings, which I think would be a much better test than one draw.  My preliminary results reveal two \$500 wins within 5 days of each other near the beginning of the run.  I thought someone might be curious to see the full test.

If you're telling me that the TTT players in Twedk's thread already know they might just as well buy QPs, I don't agree, and I don't think they would either.  So, again, I ask.  What is already known?  Or, should I ask, "What is believed?"

I'm going to stick my neck out and conjecture that the feigned lack of interest in my testing is not because people KNOW what the results will be, but rather, they are AFRAID of what the results MIGHT be!

--Jimmy4164

Take the challenge.  I am, right now in the Take 5 forum.  Put your virtual money where your mouth is.

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If you're telling me that the TTT players in Twedk's thread already know they might just as well buy QPs, I don't agree, and I don't think they would either.  So, again, I ask.  What is already known?  Or, should I ask, "What is believed?"

I'm not telling you anything, if you are serious you will post your challenge in Twedk's thread.  There may be someone who would interested in your back test of PA pick3.

Since this thread is about PowerBall and pick6 games, maybe you can backtest a system that pick PB combinations to play or come up with one that can win.  Good luck to you.

RJOh,

From your point of view, you're right.  In the minds of most here, I'm off topic.  My defense is subtly imbedded in my post in another thread where I encouraged Stack47 to consider the equivalences involved when viewing a 3 Digit game using 3 ten ball machines as a (3,30) Lotto game using one machine, 3 draws, and 30 balls consisting of 3 each of [0...9].  Think about it.

--Jimmy4164

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RJOh,

"Back testing isn't going to reveal anything that's not already known."

The discussions I've read indicate many people think their TTT systems are giving them and edge.  You say they are tested practically every drawing.  Of what value is that?  My program is prepared to test TTT's over 11,600 drawings, which I think would be a much better test than one draw.  My preliminary results reveal two \$500 wins within 5 days of each other near the beginning of the run.  I thought someone might be curious to see the full test.

If you're telling me that the TTT players in Twedk's thread already know they might just as well buy QPs, I don't agree, and I don't think they would either.  So, again, I ask.  What is already known?  Or, should I ask, "What is believed?"

I'm going to stick my neck out and conjecture that the feigned lack of interest in my testing is not because people KNOW what the results will be, but rather, they are AFRAID of what the results MIGHT be!

--Jimmy4164

"I'm going to stick my neck out and conjecture that the feigned lack of interest in my testing is not because people KNOW what the results will be, but rather, they are AFRAID of what the results MIGHT be!"

You probably don't understand how they are using their TTTs workouts and because they don't now or never played all the possible three digit straight numbers over the last 33.5 years, your testing is useless information. A more conclusive test for them would show how many drawings in the next month any three digits from the workout were drawn.

If this TTT workout doesn't produce hits another one will be tried, but Twedk's workout is producing hits to their own satisfaction so your opinion is irrelevant to them. It's really no different than trying to debunk thousands of other pick-3 methods that seem illogical to you. If somebody gets a nice hit in South Carolina from a dream about a skunk in California, does it really matter that much to you that you have to show why it would not show a profit in PA over the past 33.5 years?

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RJOh,

From your point of view, you're right.  In the minds of most here, I'm off topic.  My defense is subtly imbedded in my post in another thread where I encouraged Stack47 to consider the equivalences involved when viewing a 3 Digit game using 3 ten ball machines as a (3,30) Lotto game using one machine, 3 draws, and 30 balls consisting of 3 each of [0...9].  Think about it.

--Jimmy4164