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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Apr 13, 2011
"...a Pick 3 game can be effectively reduced to a Pick 3 of 30 game."
This statement I agree with completely. I've even suggested in the past that Lotto System players should apply their methods to the [000-999] games by imagining all 30 balls in one machine. It doesn't give the Digit people much to work with though, does it?
As for the balls being blown around in such a way as to make their emergence from the machine predictable, we part company there. On that point, I don't think you'll find [m]any Mechanical or Aeronautical engineers to agree with you either!
You know Jimmy.....
I usually just stay in the background and read and try to learn, and pick up ideas which is what LP is all about.
Now I haven't used RL's system, but I have been looking at it, and I don't know if I will use it, but I do think he could on to something. We'll see.
"It doesn't give the Digit people much to work with though, does it?" You just don't miss a chance to s**t all over RL every chance you get,do you? Dude... if you don't like someone's way of playing, get over it. You don't have to play that way. RL has every right to post his system for people to read and try without you or anyone else slamming him every chance you get. If I don't like a system I read about, I move on. And no, I'm not protecting RL because he doesn't need my protection. It just gets old to read through a thread and there you are on every page saying the same thing slamming the same person. What is wrong with you???
CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN
A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR $2)
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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Apr 14, 2011
In a way, they make it easy for us, because, logically, I think that if someone asserts something without proof, then we can dismiss it without proof!
or.......you can always "prove it" by demonstrating they refuse to throw their own $400 at a "sure thing"
i like that....."someone else can, but not me"
i like that....."someone else can, but not me"
When it comes to lottery systems, "someone else can, but not me" is perfectly legal, even though it may be the same system. A system may take values which may or may not betweakable. A player might have better discretion than the other, or maybe the other player just puts in values carelessly hoping to win big.
or.......you can always "prove it" by demonstrating they refuse to throw their own $400 at a "sure thing"
Never going to happen. Nothing is a sure thing when it comes to gambling, especially the lottery, and especially jackpot games. I may or may not share my system in the future, but if I do, I'm certainly not going to tell others that if they use my sytem that winning a jackpot is a sure thing. The odds are very big and player discretion plays a big role. Which by the way, is perfectly fine. Jackpot games have extremely vast odds, but they pay millions, so to have expectancy that a system user do some research and become familiar with it and learn how to use it effectively is perfectly reasonable. I'm certainly not going to expect someone who came up with a sytem, which they put years of work into, to hand me some magic wand that hits a jackpot every so often without ANY work on my part. That would not only be considered immoral, but also lazy.Gonna win.
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To all:
WOW!
Back on the low road!
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What if we organize the spacing into 10 parts, or units, or sections, or cells, or ...
Further, what if we numbered those cells from 0 to 9.
More, what if the actual lottery ball drawn determines which of the 10 cells
would become the 'gap' number.More, what if it is stipulated that once a cell is identified, it must fall to the
bottom of the list.The same procedure would be used for lottery numbers 2 and 3. Therefore,
we have 3 lottery numbers and 3 gap numbers..What if we keep an inventory of the lottery and gap numbers.
What if we look at the gap list totals and make a guess about which three
gap numbers will come out at the next drawing.An important question is - should the order of the 10 cells be restablished to 0 thru 9,
or should the revised order be carried to the next drawing.An aside: I think the reason a lottery uses 3 vessels is because there isn't enough
air to generate the 'randomness' required.However, folks trying to develop an edge don't have to worry about that. Thus.
a Pick 3 game can be played as a Pick 3/30 game - just like it might be played with
computer drawings.Thanks for interest.
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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Apr 14, 2011
To all:
WOW!
Back on the low road!
More...
What if we organize the spacing into 10 parts, or units, or sections, or cells, or ...
Further, what if we numbered those cells from 0 to 9.
More, what if the actual lottery ball drawn determines which of the 10 cells
would become the 'gap' number.More, what if it is stipulated that once a cell is identified, it must fall to the
bottom of the list.The same procedure would be used for lottery numbers 2 and 3. Therefore,
we have 3 lottery numbers and 3 gap numbers..What if we keep an inventory of the lottery and gap numbers.
What if we look at the gap list totals and make a guess about which three
gap numbers will come out at the next drawing.An important question is - should the order of the 10 cells be restablished to 0 thru 9,
or should the revised order be carried to the next drawing.An aside: I think the reason a lottery uses 3 vessels is because there isn't enough
air to generate the 'randomness' required.However, folks trying to develop an edge don't have to worry about that. Thus.
a Pick 3 game can be played as a Pick 3/30 game - just like it might be played with
computer drawings.Thanks for interest.
I like the way you think, Bobby. And I particularly like this post. I'm putting it into my 'Favorites' bookmark to make it easier to come back and think through what you're saying. Incidently, I didn't know Texas P3 is ball drop rather than RNG, but I'd never thought about it at all.
Thanks for tossing out something intriguing and possibly entirely unique and original.
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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Apr 14, 2011
To all:
WOW!
Back on the low road!
More...
What if we organize the spacing into 10 parts, or units, or sections, or cells, or ...
Further, what if we numbered those cells from 0 to 9.
More, what if the actual lottery ball drawn determines which of the 10 cells
would become the 'gap' number.More, what if it is stipulated that once a cell is identified, it must fall to the
bottom of the list.The same procedure would be used for lottery numbers 2 and 3. Therefore,
we have 3 lottery numbers and 3 gap numbers..What if we keep an inventory of the lottery and gap numbers.
What if we look at the gap list totals and make a guess about which three
gap numbers will come out at the next drawing.An important question is - should the order of the 10 cells be restablished to 0 thru 9,
or should the revised order be carried to the next drawing.An aside: I think the reason a lottery uses 3 vessels is because there isn't enough
air to generate the 'randomness' required.However, folks trying to develop an edge don't have to worry about that. Thus.
a Pick 3 game can be played as a Pick 3/30 game - just like it might be played with
computer drawings.Thanks for interest.
What if we did it like this using RL's digit method?
LOW HIGH EVEN ODD IN OUT DIGITS 12340 56789 24680 13579 34567 12890 1234567890 04/13/11 9 8 3 983 00100 00011 00010 01001 10000 00110 0010000110 Then the 1000 combos would be broken into something like this.
DIGICOMBOS PKG HITS 0000110001 6 14 0010000001 6 14 0100001001 6 13 0101000010 6 13 0011010000 6 12 0000011001 6 12 0001000010 6 11 1010100000 6 11 0000001001 6 10 0000100010 6 10 0010100100 6 10 0111000000 6 10 1000000101 6 10 0000000101 6 9 0000010010 6 9 0001000110 6 9 0001010000 6 9 0001100000 6 9 0001101000 6 9 0010001010 6 9 0010011000 6 9 0100000010 6 9 0100001000 6 9 0101001000 6 9 1010000010 6 9 1000000011 6 9 1010000000 6 9 0000110010 6 8 0001001000 6 8 0001010001 6 8 0001100001 6 8 0100000100 6 8 0100100000 6 8 0101010000 6 8 1000001001 6 8 1000010000 6 8 1000010001 6 8 1000010100 6 8 1000100000 6 8 1001001000 6 8 1001010000 6 8 1011000000 6 8 0010100001 6 8 0000000110 6 7 0000000111 6 7 0000100100 6 7 0000101001 6 7 0000101100 6 7 0000110000 6 7 0001000001 6 7 0001001010 6 7 0001010100 6 7 0001100010 6 7 0001100100 6 7 0010000011 6 7 0010000100 6 7 0010001000 6 7 0010001100 6 7 0010010010 6 7 0011000010 6 7 0011000100 6 7 0100001100 6 7 0100010010 6 7 0100100010 6 7 0110000000 6 7 1000000001 6 7 1000000110 6 7 1000001000 6 7 1000011000 6 7 1000100010 6 7 1000110000 6 7 1001000000 6 7 1001000001 6 7 1010000100 6 7 1100000000 6 7 1100000001 1 7 1100000010 1 7 1100001000 1 7 0001010010 6 7 0000001010 6 6 0000001110 6 6 0000010001 6 6 0000010101 6 6 0000011010 6 6 0000011100 6 6 0000100011 6 6 0001001001 6 6 0010000010 6 6 0010000101 6 6 0010001001 6 6 0010010000 6 6 0010100010 6 6 0010101000 6 6 0011100000 6 6 0100000001 6 6 0100000110 6 6 0100001010 6 6 0100010000 6 6 0110000001 6 6 0110000100 6 6 0110010000 6 6 1001000100 6 6 1010001000 1 6 1100100000 1 6 0010000110 6 6 0000001100 6 5 0000010110 6 5 0000110100 6 5 0010010001 6 5 0010110000 6 5 0011001000 6 5 0100000101 6 5 0100010100 6 5 0100011000 6 5 0100100100 6 5 0101000100 6 5 0110000010 6 5 0110001000 6 5 1000001010 6 5 1000001100 6 5 1000100100 6 5 1001100000 6 5 1010010000 1 5 0001110000 6 5 1000010010 6 5 0000001011 6 4 0000010011 6 4 0000101000 6 4 0000101010 6 4 0000111000 6 4 0001000011 6 4 0001000100 6 4 0001000101 6 4 0001001100 6 4 0001011000 6 4 0010010100 6 4 0011000000 6 4 0100000011 6 4 0100100001 6 4 0100101000 6 4 0100110000 6 4 0101000001 6 4 0101100000 6 4 1000000100 6 4 1000100001 6 4 1110000000 1 4 1101000000 1 4 0000000011 6 3 0000001101 6 3 0000010100 6 3 0000011000 6 3 0000100001 6 3 0000100101 6 3 0000100110 6 3 0011000001 6 3 0100010001 6 3 0101000000 6 3 0110100000 6 3 1000101000 6 3 1010000001 6 3 1100000100 1 3 1000000010 6 3 0000000100 6 2 0010000000 6 2 0010100000 6 2 1001000010 6 2 1100010000 1 2 0000000010 6 1 0000001000 6 1 0000010000 6 1 1000000000 6 1 0000000001 6 0 0000100000 6 0 0001000000 6 0 0100000000 6 0 1000 1059 -
Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Apr 14, 2011
"As for consistency, once every 1000 drawings isn't very consistent but the payoffs sure make up for that flaw".
yeahhh uhhh. ......but only if the player could demonstrate that the "system" was the result of the benefit, but one hit here, one hit there doesn't prove anything beyond luck.
that is why sustained observable consistentcy is KING on the "proof" side of things.
which is why you hear systems players being braggadocious-attrocious about thier "wins", while sweeping their losses under the truth closet.
what you did above in your example is but another example of systems players attempting to slip "truths" under the door, and call it "fact" once it crosses the threshold.
truth is, even if a person snagged a win big enough to overtake their losses, it's still only luck until mr repeatability arrives on the backs of sustainability, and his twin brother "consistentcy" brings up the rear.
"QP players can't expect to match 4 numbers on 1 or 2 lines plus at least 3 numbers on all the lines by matching 4 numbers anywhere on their 5 lines".
nor do they care. they are too busy playing golf with the time they would normally spend crunching numbers, or are out to dinner with thier families instead of wasting thier time chasing nothing to get nothing in return, certianly nothing matching the amount of effort. they can afford green fee's and dinner, and when it's all said and done, they are FAR too busy collecting the jackpots.
you know, the ones that you play for.
wanna discuss chasing "lower prizes"? fine. maybe you can extoll the "virtues" of incessant hours and effort chasing "small dollars", but realistically ------> LOSING MONEY.
seriously, you are not trying to infer QP players are "wasting their time", do you.
not me, i wanna expend rediculous effort for little or nothing, all the while "believing i can"
"With 70% to 80% of purchases QPs, how many potential or current 20% to 30% SP players did you convince not to use a system and buy QPs by demanding proof, by pretending no LP member has won a sizable ($50,000 plus) jackpot, or by saying (my personal favorite) "the drawings are random"?
since i live in the world of reality, probably a few fence sitters here or there.
but out of the "100,000" or so that come in and out of here that observe common sense but for a moment, hardly any.
i fully understand the wishful thinking quotient at LP, and the vast majority want to believe they have a hand in the manipulation of the lottery, i accept that fact.
as foreboding as that is, i also realize there are people who have a handle on wishful think enough to factor things i say about it, so they can decide before they waste time and money.
"they" (whoever "they" might be) watch and observe how every one of you guys always back down to a simple demonstration of "what's what".
any reasonable thinking person knows when they observe that time and again, they realize you have squat.
"they" want to believe (because observing is believing), but guys like you let them down.
the title of king picker has been up for grabs, but no one will snag the brass ring.
ego's and wishful thinking amalgamated all together, me thinks that's a tragedy, given the opportunity.
i guess the bigger picture is that i provide opportunity to showcase your skills. maybe you can H5 me for that.
talk about odds.....i LIVE to go against the odds.....and what that means in here is if i only reached "one person", and gave them back their life from selling themselves out to wishful thinking, saved them money and time, especially in regards to time invested in relationships.........every second has been worth it.
besides, it sets the stage for my own "i am meant to"
there is that, ya know
"all is but bloviation, until a man proves what he claims" 1st visiondude 6:8
"that is why sustained observable consistentcy is KING on the "proof" side of things."
Do you actually understand how long someone could continue to play a system at $5 a bet after it functioned correctly and won over $10,000 and still show a nice profit?
If you understood the math and systems players, you'd know I was exaggerating when I said "in the next 1000 drawings" but the same hit after an incredible 1000 drawings would increase the profit margin to over 15 grand. If your idea of sustainment and consistentcy is once ever 20 drawings, you can show us and prove it by scanning your QP results.
"what you did above in your example is but another example of systems players attempting to slip "truths" under the door, and call it "fact" once it crosses the threshold."
Number one, you really ought to read more carefully before making ridulious statements. The example I gave wasn't based on what a system could do but an example of real ticket that was scanned and posted on this site. If you don't understand what an abbreviated wheel is, read the "help" section under the "systems" tab. It was a 4 if 4 wheel that matched 4 + 1 of the actual drawn numbers.
"seriously, you are not trying to infer QP players are "wasting their time", do you."
You're the QP player, prove to us your QPs showed a profit and if the answer is "no", you answered your own question.
"(1) he played it "once" (but "believes" in it) check"
Number two, your ignorance of mathematics is astounding. The 46 number wheel is mathematically designed to AWAYS match at least 2 numbers on one of the 46 lines. When you demanded proof, I offered a bet where the loser would give up their LP posting privileges thinking only a fool would accept my bet, but you actually considered it.
visiondude on April 11, 2011: "i will look over your "proposition" with an integrity fine tooth comb later tonight and get back to you."
"(2) he infers "success"......but only if someone throws $400 a month at it. (which of course he is "unwilling to do") check"
The $400 a month I mentioned is the "break even" point and that is usually where systems players start before considering actual play. There are 9 MM drawings per month and the cost of one play is $46. I won't ask you to do the math because you probably can't.
"any reasonable thinking person knows if something "works", they would borrow money from their broke cousin and bet the farm. check"
I could use a rubber stamp like the one RL suggested for you. Mine would say "VD, your ignorance of mathematics is astounding!". I should add 'reading comprehension" and "how to read a lottery payoff chart" and "ignorance of system play" too.
If you actually knew what the guaranteed payoff is for the 46 combo wheel is, would you still make that foolish statement?
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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Apr 14, 2011
To all:
WOW!
Back on the low road!
More...
What if we organize the spacing into 10 parts, or units, or sections, or cells, or ...
Further, what if we numbered those cells from 0 to 9.
More, what if the actual lottery ball drawn determines which of the 10 cells
would become the 'gap' number.More, what if it is stipulated that once a cell is identified, it must fall to the
bottom of the list.The same procedure would be used for lottery numbers 2 and 3. Therefore,
we have 3 lottery numbers and 3 gap numbers..What if we keep an inventory of the lottery and gap numbers.
What if we look at the gap list totals and make a guess about which three
gap numbers will come out at the next drawing.An important question is - should the order of the 10 cells be restablished to 0 thru 9,
or should the revised order be carried to the next drawing.An aside: I think the reason a lottery uses 3 vessels is because there isn't enough
air to generate the 'randomness' required.However, folks trying to develop an edge don't have to worry about that. Thus.
a Pick 3 game can be played as a Pick 3/30 game - just like it might be played with
computer drawings.Thanks for interest.
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What if after adopting the revised spacing list for each drawing, rather than going back to the
original, we find, after 50 or so drawings, that there isn't enough difference between the
Gap number totals to make a rational guess.Therefore, what if we devise a plan whereby the Gap numbers are used to generate and maintain
one or more additional data streams.The overall effect being that we would have as many as 4 data streams to guide our choices.
If the lottery numbers are tracked, there could be enough separation to make good choices.
If the Gap numbers are tracked, ditto.
The same would be true for the additional data streams.
In my humble opinion, all lottery plays have to be based on some short of structure. Picking numbers
out of air or relying solely on past drawing results isn't very effective.Similarly to other lottery games, the Pick 3 combinations can be converted into alphabetical structures that
can be used to guide future play. There are 64 structures, representing 1000 number combinations, to track.
Some show up much more often than others.Additionally, the winning combinations can be reduced to 20+ numerical groups that can be tracked.
Bottom line, what we would be doing is constructing a 'substitute' lottery number prediction system using
bonified lottery numbers to guide our progress, and our choices.Thanks for your interest.
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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Apr 14, 2011
To all:
WOW!
Back on the low road!
More...
What if we organize the spacing into 10 parts, or units, or sections, or cells, or ...
Further, what if we numbered those cells from 0 to 9.
More, what if the actual lottery ball drawn determines which of the 10 cells
would become the 'gap' number.More, what if it is stipulated that once a cell is identified, it must fall to the
bottom of the list.The same procedure would be used for lottery numbers 2 and 3. Therefore,
we have 3 lottery numbers and 3 gap numbers..What if we keep an inventory of the lottery and gap numbers.
What if we look at the gap list totals and make a guess about which three
gap numbers will come out at the next drawing.An important question is - should the order of the 10 cells be restablished to 0 thru 9,
or should the revised order be carried to the next drawing.An aside: I think the reason a lottery uses 3 vessels is because there isn't enough
air to generate the 'randomness' required.However, folks trying to develop an edge don't have to worry about that. Thus.
a Pick 3 game can be played as a Pick 3/30 game - just like it might be played with
computer drawings.Thanks for interest.
Bobby, the odds of a 3/30 game are not the same as Pick 3.
In Pick 3 you have 10 balls in 3 containers.
The odds are 1/10 X 1/10 X 1/10 = 1:1000
With a pick 3 of 30 (one container holding all the balls) the odds are:
1/30 X 1/29 X 1/28 = 1:24360.
Which game would you rather play?
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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Apr 14, 2011
Bobby, the odds of a 3/30 game are not the same as Pick 3.
In Pick 3 you have 10 balls in 3 containers.
The odds are 1/10 X 1/10 X 1/10 = 1:1000
With a pick 3 of 30 (one container holding all the balls) the odds are:
1/30 X 1/29 X 1/28 = 1:24360.
Which game would you rather play?
Hi, garyo1954
The quick answer is that if my lottery plays were based on 'odds' of this or that, I'd give it up
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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Apr 14, 2011
Bobby, the odds of a 3/30 game are not the same as Pick 3.
In Pick 3 you have 10 balls in 3 containers.
The odds are 1/10 X 1/10 X 1/10 = 1:1000
With a pick 3 of 30 (one container holding all the balls) the odds are:
1/30 X 1/29 X 1/28 = 1:24360.
Which game would you rather play?
You also need to divide the 24,360 by 3! which would be 6. So the odds would actually be 1 in 4,060 for a Pick 3/30 game. A Pick 3/19 would be 1 in 969 and a Pick 3/20 would be 1 in 1140. I actually would play a Pick 3/20 game rather than a traditional Pick 3 game because my system takes advantage of the fact the numbers are being chosen from the same pool. It's a key element to how my system works.
Gonna win.
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Quote: Originally posted by Guru101 on Apr 14, 2011
You also need to divide the 24,360 by 3! which would be 6. So the odds would actually be 1 in 4,060 for a Pick 3/30 game. A Pick 3/19 would be 1 in 969 and a Pick 3/20 would be 1 in 1140. I actually would play a Pick 3/20 game rather than a traditional Pick 3 game because my system takes advantage of the fact the numbers are being chosen from the same pool. It's a key element to how my system works.
Guru,
Now that is definitely interesting. And I agree you do have 3 of each ball....
So we could express the odds by saying 1/3:30 X 1/3 (or 1/2):30 X 1/3 (or 1/2), (or 1/1):30?
No quibbling, we're picking three balls out of 30.
Why would you want to increase the odds?
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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Apr 14, 2011
Guru,
Now that is definitely interesting. And I agree you do have 3 of each ball....
So we could express the odds by saying 1/3:30 X 1/3 (or 1/2):30 X 1/3 (or 1/2), (or 1/1):30?
No quibbling, we're picking three balls out of 30.
Why would you want to increase the odds?
"So we could express the odds by saying 1/3:30 X 1/3 (or 1/2):30 X 1/3 (or 1/2), (or 1/1):30?"
I don't know if that would work. I've never tried calculating the odds that way.
The reason we divide by 3!, which equals 6, is because we don't have to match the order the numbers are drawn in. If we did, then it would be 1 in 24,360. The lottery sorts the numbers chosen from the same pool from least to greatest. For example to calculate for Hoosier Lotto it's:
(48*47*46*45*44*43)/6! = 8,835,488,640/720 = 12,271,512
Powerball:
((59*58*57*56*55)/5!)*39 = (600,766,320/120)*39 = 5,006,386*39 = 195,249,054
To find the factorial of a number(for example the factorial of 5 would be specified as 5!), you multiply all the numbers between that number and 1. For example, 5! is actually 5x4x3x2x1.
"Why would you want to increase the odds?"
It all comes down to how my system works. If I'm playing QP's, then I would take the traditional Pick 3 over a Pick 3/30. Sets of numbers chosen from the same pool have characteristics which my system takes into consideration and uses those characteristics to elminate sets that aren't very likely to occur in the next drawing. Which is why I no longer use the system on Powerball. I used it on the white ball portion of my numbers, but the fact a number was being chosen out of a separate pool cut down it's effectiveness. So I converted it to work with Hoosier Lotto, a Pick 6 game. I can use my system to it's full advantage now.
Gonna win.
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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Apr 14, 2011
"all is but bloviation, until a man proves what he claims" 1st visiondude 6:8"
In a way, they make it easy for us, because, logically, I think that if someone asserts something without proof, then we can dismiss it without proof!
Also, I thought of a new filter that the gang here should jump on real quick. I noticed that 80% of the winning numbers in the PA Daily Number game [000-999] fall between 100 and 899, so if you throw out those unlikely numbers [000-099] and [900-999], then you should have an 80% chance of winning, right?
To bb brain and his sidekick buckshot
You want to see proof but I don't feel the need to show you. However others have seen and they believe.
Seems that Gary put you in a bind just a while back, you flunked that test also. You and the blind man both
are so full of hot air that it's a wonder that you don't catch aflame before your time. I must say the two of
you make a very good pair. The atheist and the misguided, sounds like a tv sitcom to me. I really think that
you could compete with two and a half men if you could find a couple men to join your group. Everything you
two sideshow wanta be's have to say is just a waste of disk storage. You know that the average human uses
only about 8 to 12 percent of there gray matter and I would be happy if you guys could muster half that. Not
trying to be mean, I am serious and think that your time could be used much more effectively doing just about
anything but your current course of action. It's tempting at times to post my proof and I may still do it one day
and then how will you feel then. But on the other hand you would come up with some excuse how I faked it
and that it was not really proof but a scam and then you would continue what you are doing now. I think that
you don't have the abilities to do anything close to it and somehow my success makes you feel very bad and
causes you to lash out at what you don't understand. It's true what they say, the mind is a terrible thing to
waste but maybe you never heard it early enough to take advantage of it. If you took the time to see how
a few 4 of 5 wins over the course of a year would produce the claims that I have made then maybe you would
not have so much trouble with it. A 2 of 5 match pays $1.00 and at least half the sets I play meet this requirement
which drops the cost of a ticket to 50 cents. Add to this around 20ea 3 of 5's and I am breaking even. Then
the 4 of 5's are cash in my pocket. The odds for a 2of5 are 1 in 9.6 so even if I never hit anything but 2of5's
I would still be doing way better then the odds. Let me ask how much better then the odds do I need to do
prove my system works. I think if I would have posted that I won enough 2 of 5's to beat the odds you would
not have said a word because a ROI of 50 cents per dollar invested would not mean enough for you to make a
fuss. However since I claim to hit several 3of5's and 2 to 4 4of5's per year it just sets you undies ablaze. So go
ahead and underline, color, change fonts and font size and post away about how untruthful you think I am and
I am sure your sidekick can't resist the urge to back you up. I think that visionless should try some of the religious
forums on the net because while he is here the atheist are trying to put a end to religion and maybe your keen
eye for statistics could serve the world of finance, just a thought. Most investers would be glad to earn 10%
and there are always people that earn many times that, Maybe they are just lucky, but I don't believe in luck.
RL
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 14, 2011
"that is why sustained observable consistentcy is KING on the "proof" side of things."
Do you actually understand how long someone could continue to play a system at $5 a bet after it functioned correctly and won over $10,000 and still show a nice profit?
If you understood the math and systems players, you'd know I was exaggerating when I said "in the next 1000 drawings" but the same hit after an incredible 1000 drawings would increase the profit margin to over 15 grand. If your idea of sustainment and consistentcy is once ever 20 drawings, you can show us and prove it by scanning your QP results.
"what you did above in your example is but another example of systems players attempting to slip "truths" under the door, and call it "fact" once it crosses the threshold."
Number one, you really ought to read more carefully before making ridulious statements. The example I gave wasn't based on what a system could do but an example of real ticket that was scanned and posted on this site. If you don't understand what an abbreviated wheel is, read the "help" section under the "systems" tab. It was a 4 if 4 wheel that matched 4 + 1 of the actual drawn numbers.
"seriously, you are not trying to infer QP players are "wasting their time", do you."
You're the QP player, prove to us your QPs showed a profit and if the answer is "no", you answered your own question.
"(1) he played it "once" (but "believes" in it) check"
Number two, your ignorance of mathematics is astounding. The 46 number wheel is mathematically designed to AWAYS match at least 2 numbers on one of the 46 lines. When you demanded proof, I offered a bet where the loser would give up their LP posting privileges thinking only a fool would accept my bet, but you actually considered it.
visiondude on April 11, 2011: "i will look over your "proposition" with an integrity fine tooth comb later tonight and get back to you."
"(2) he infers "success"......but only if someone throws $400 a month at it. (which of course he is "unwilling to do") check"
The $400 a month I mentioned is the "break even" point and that is usually where systems players start before considering actual play. There are 9 MM drawings per month and the cost of one play is $46. I won't ask you to do the math because you probably can't.
"any reasonable thinking person knows if something "works", they would borrow money from their broke cousin and bet the farm. check"
I could use a rubber stamp like the one RL suggested for you. Mine would say "VD, your ignorance of mathematics is astounding!". I should add 'reading comprehension" and "how to read a lottery payoff chart" and "ignorance of system play" too.
If you actually knew what the guaranteed payoff is for the 46 combo wheel is, would you still make that foolish statement?
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toshay, pardon my french I ment touché
RL
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Quote: Originally posted by Guru101 on Apr 14, 2011
"So we could express the odds by saying 1/3:30 X 1/3 (or 1/2):30 X 1/3 (or 1/2), (or 1/1):30?"
I don't know if that would work. I've never tried calculating the odds that way.
The reason we divide by 3!, which equals 6, is because we don't have to match the order the numbers are drawn in. If we did, then it would be 1 in 24,360. The lottery sorts the numbers chosen from the same pool from least to greatest. For example to calculate for Hoosier Lotto it's:
(48*47*46*45*44*43)/6! = 8,835,488,640/720 = 12,271,512
Powerball:
((59*58*57*56*55)/5!)*39 = (600,766,320/120)*39 = 5,006,386*39 = 195,249,054
To find the factorial of a number(for example the factorial of 5 would be specified as 5!), you multiply all the numbers between that number and 1. For example, 5! is actually 5x4x3x2x1.
"Why would you want to increase the odds?"
It all comes down to how my system works. If I'm playing QP's, then I would take the traditional Pick 3 over a Pick 3/30. Sets of numbers chosen from the same pool have characteristics which my system takes into consideration and uses those characteristics to elminate sets that aren't very likely to occur in the next drawing. Which is why I no longer use the system on Powerball. I used it on the white ball portion of my numbers, but the fact a number was being chosen out of a separate pool cut down it's effectiveness. So I converted it to work with Hoosier Lotto, a Pick 6 game. I can use my system to it's full advantage now.
Guru,
Sorry, I was off doing other things when you posted back. I can see your point but.....
The hopper will have 10 sets of three balls before you remove the first one....(10*3)=30
Then it will have 9 sets of three plus one set of 2.......(9*3) + 2=29
Then it could contain......(8*3) + (2*2).........or (9*3) + 1=28
You have an interesting theory and if it works for you, that's all that matters.
I just don't see how increasing the odds against you is of any use.
Need to work on super secret lottery system.