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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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Posted: April 14, 2011, 9:55 am - IP Logged

"...a Pick 3 game can be effectively reduced to a Pick 3 of 30 game."

This statement I agree with completely.  I've even suggested in the past that Lotto System players should apply their methods to the [000-999] games by imagining all 30 balls in one machine.  It doesn't give the Digit people much to work with though, does it?

As for the balls being blown around in such a way as to make their emergence from the machine predictable, we part company there.  On that point, I don't think you'll find [m]any Mechanical or Aeronautical engineers to agree with you either!

You know Jimmy.....

I usually just stay in the background and read and try to learn, and pick up ideas which is what LP is all about.

Now I haven't used RL's system, but I have been looking at it, and I don't know if I will use it, but I do think he could on to something. We'll see.

"It doesn't give the Digit people much to work with though, does it?" You just don't miss a chance to s**t all over RL every chance you get,do you? Dude... if you don't like someone's way of playing, get over it. You don't have to play that way. RL has every right to post his system for people to read and try without you or anyone else slamming him every chance you get. If I don't like a system I read about, I move on. And no, I'm not protecting RL because he doesn't need my protection. It just gets old to read through a thread and there you are on every page saying the same thing slamming the same person. What is wrong with you???

CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR $2)

    Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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    In a way, they make it easy for us, because, logically, I think that if someone asserts something without proof, then we can dismiss it without proof!

     or.......you can always  "prove it" by demonstrating they refuse to throw their own $400 at a "sure thing"

    i like that....."someone else can,  but not me" 

    i like that....."someone else can,  but not me" 

    When it comes to lottery systems, "someone else can, but not me" is perfectly legal, even though it may be the same system. A system may take values which may or may not betweakable. A player might have better discretion than the other, or maybe the other player just puts in values carelessly hoping to win big.

     or.......you can always  "prove it" by demonstrating they refuse to throw their own $400 at a "sure thing"


    Never going to happen. Nothing is a sure thing when it comes to gambling, especially the lottery, and especially jackpot games. I may or may not share my system in the future, but if I do, I'm certainly not going to tell others that if they use my sytem that winning a jackpot is a sure thing. The odds are very big and player discretion plays a big role. Which by the way, is perfectly fine. Jackpot games have extremely vast odds, but they pay millions, so to have expectancy that a system user do some research and become familiar with it and learn how to use it effectively is perfectly reasonable. I'm certainly not going to expect someone who came up with a sytem, which they put years of work into, to hand me some magic wand that hits a jackpot every so often without ANY work on my part. That would not only be considered immoral, but also lazy.

    Gonna win.Big Smile

      bobby623's avatar - abstract
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      To all:

      WOW!

      Back on the low road!

      More...

      What if we organize the spacing  into 10 parts, or units, or sections, or cells, or ...

      Further, what if we numbered those cells from 0 to 9.

      More, what if the actual lottery ball drawn determines which of the 10 cells
      would become the 'gap' number.

      More, what if it is stipulated that once a cell is identified, it must fall to the
      bottom of the list.

      The same procedure would be used for lottery numbers 2 and 3. Therefore,
      we have 3 lottery numbers and 3 gap numbers..

      What if we keep an inventory of the lottery and gap numbers.

      What if  we look at the gap list totals and make a guess about which three
      gap numbers will come out at the next drawing.

      An important question is - should the order of the 10 cells be restablished to 0 thru 9,
      or should the revised order be carried to the next drawing.

      An aside: I think the reason a lottery uses 3 vessels is because there isn't enough
      air to generate the 'randomness' required.

      However, folks trying to develop an edge don't have to worry about that. Thus.
      a Pick 3 game can be played as a Pick 3/30 game - just like it might be played with
      computer drawings.

      Thanks for interest.

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        To all:

        WOW!

        Back on the low road!

        More...

        What if we organize the spacing  into 10 parts, or units, or sections, or cells, or ...

        Further, what if we numbered those cells from 0 to 9.

        More, what if the actual lottery ball drawn determines which of the 10 cells
        would become the 'gap' number.

        More, what if it is stipulated that once a cell is identified, it must fall to the
        bottom of the list.

        The same procedure would be used for lottery numbers 2 and 3. Therefore,
        we have 3 lottery numbers and 3 gap numbers..

        What if we keep an inventory of the lottery and gap numbers.

        What if  we look at the gap list totals and make a guess about which three
        gap numbers will come out at the next drawing.

        An important question is - should the order of the 10 cells be restablished to 0 thru 9,
        or should the revised order be carried to the next drawing.

        An aside: I think the reason a lottery uses 3 vessels is because there isn't enough
        air to generate the 'randomness' required.

        However, folks trying to develop an edge don't have to worry about that. Thus.
        a Pick 3 game can be played as a Pick 3/30 game - just like it might be played with
        computer drawings.

        Thanks for interest.

        I like the way you think, Bobby.  And I particularly like this post.  I'm putting it into my 'Favorites' bookmark to make it easier to come back and think through what you're saying.  Incidently, I didn't know Texas P3 is ball drop rather than RNG, but I'd never thought about it at all. 

        Thanks for tossing out something intriguing and possibly entirely unique and original.

          CARBOB's avatar - FL LOTTERY_LOGO.png
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          Posted: April 14, 2011, 11:26 am - IP Logged

          To all:

          WOW!

          Back on the low road!

          More...

          What if we organize the spacing  into 10 parts, or units, or sections, or cells, or ...

          Further, what if we numbered those cells from 0 to 9.

          More, what if the actual lottery ball drawn determines which of the 10 cells
          would become the 'gap' number.

          More, what if it is stipulated that once a cell is identified, it must fall to the
          bottom of the list.

          The same procedure would be used for lottery numbers 2 and 3. Therefore,
          we have 3 lottery numbers and 3 gap numbers..

          What if we keep an inventory of the lottery and gap numbers.

          What if  we look at the gap list totals and make a guess about which three
          gap numbers will come out at the next drawing.

          An important question is - should the order of the 10 cells be restablished to 0 thru 9,
          or should the revised order be carried to the next drawing.

          An aside: I think the reason a lottery uses 3 vessels is because there isn't enough
          air to generate the 'randomness' required.

          However, folks trying to develop an edge don't have to worry about that. Thus.
          a Pick 3 game can be played as a Pick 3/30 game - just like it might be played with
          computer drawings.

          Thanks for interest.

          What if we did it like this using RL's digit method?

               LOWHIGHEVENODDINOUTDIGITS
               1234056789246801357934567128901234567890
          04/13/119839830010000011000100100110000001100010000110

           

           

          Then the 1000 combos would be broken into something like this.

          DIGICOMBOSPKGHITS
          0000110001614
          0010000001614
          0100001001613
          0101000010613
          0011010000612
          0000011001612
          0001000010611
          1010100000611
          0000001001610
          0000100010610
          0010100100610
          0111000000610
          1000000101610
          000000010169
          000001001069
          000100011069
          000101000069
          000110000069
          000110100069
          001000101069
          001001100069
          010000001069
          010000100069
          010100100069
          101000001069
          100000001169
          101000000069
          000011001068
          000100100068
          000101000168
          000110000168
          010000010068
          010010000068
          010101000068
          100000100168
          100001000068
          100001000168
          100001010068
          100010000068
          100100100068
          100101000068
          101100000068
          001010000168
          000000011067
          000000011167
          000010010067
          000010100167
          000010110067
          000011000067
          000100000167
          000100101067
          000101010067
          000110001067
          000110010067
          001000001167
          001000010067
          001000100067
          001000110067
          001001001067
          001100001067
          001100010067
          010000110067
          010001001067
          010010001067
          011000000067
          100000000167
          100000011067
          100000100067
          100001100067
          100010001067
          100011000067
          100100000067
          100100000167
          101000010067
          110000000067
          110000000117
          110000001017
          110000100017
          000101001067
          000000101066
          000000111066
          000001000166
          000001010166
          000001101066
          000001110066
          000010001166
          000100100166
          001000001066
          001000010166
          001000100166
          001001000066
          001010001066
          001010100066
          001110000066
          010000000166
          010000011066
          010000101066
          010001000066
          011000000166
          011000010066
          011001000066
          100100010066
          101000100016
          110010000016
          001000011066
          000000110065
          000001011065
          000011010065
          001001000165
          001011000065
          001100100065
          010000010165
          010001010065
          010001100065
          010010010065
          010100010065
          011000001065
          011000100065
          100000101065
          100000110065
          100010010065
          100110000065
          101001000015
          000111000065
          100001001065
          000000101164
          000001001164
          000010100064
          000010101064
          000011100064
          000100001164
          000100010064
          000100010164
          000100110064
          000101100064
          001001010064
          001100000064
          010000001164
          010010000164
          010010100064
          010011000064
          010100000164
          010110000064
          100000010064
          100010000164
          111000000014
          110100000014
          000000001163
          000000110163
          000001010063
          000001100063
          000010000163
          000010010163
          000010011063
          001100000163
          010001000163
          010100000063
          011010000063
          100010100063
          101000000163
          110000010013
          100000001063
          000000010062
          001000000062
          001010000062
          100100001062
          110001000012
          000000001061
          000000100061
          000001000061
          100000000061
          000000000160
          000010000060
          000100000060
          010000000060
           10001059
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            "As for consistency, once every 1000 drawings isn't very consistent but the payoffs sure make up for that flaw".

             yeahhh uhhh.  ......but only if the player could demonstrate that the "system" was the result of the benefit,  but one hit here, one hit there doesn't prove anything beyond luck.   

            that is why sustained  observable consistentcy  is KING on the "proof" side of things.

            which is why you hear systems players being braggadocious-attrocious about thier "wins",  while sweeping their losses under the truth closet.

            what you did above in your example is but another example of systems players attempting to slip "truths" under the door,  and call it "fact" once it crosses the threshold.

            truth is,  even if a person snagged a win big enough to overtake their losses,  it's still only luck until mr repeatability arrives on the backs of sustainability,  and his twin brother "consistentcy" brings up the rear.

            "QP players can't expect to match 4 numbers on 1 or 2 lines plus at least 3 numbers on all the lines by matching 4 numbers anywhere on their 5 lines".

             nor do they care.  they are too busy playing golf with the time they would normally spend crunching numbers,  or are out to dinner with thier families instead of wasting thier time chasing nothing to get nothing in return,  certianly nothing matching the amount of effort.  they can afford green fee's and dinner,  and when it's all said and done,  they are FAR too busy collecting the jackpots.

            you know,  the ones that you play for.

            wanna discuss chasing "lower prizes"?   fine.   maybe you can extoll the "virtues" of incessant hours and effort chasing "small dollars",   but realistically  ------> LOSING MONEY.

             seriously,  you are not trying to infer QP players are "wasting their time",  do you.

            not me,  i wanna expend rediculous effort for little or nothing,  all the while "believing i can"

            "With 70% to 80% of purchases QPs, how many potential or current 20% to 30% SP players did you convince not to use a system and buy QPs by demanding proof, by pretending no LP member has won a sizable ($50,000 plus) jackpot, or by saying (my personal favorite) "the drawings are random"?

             since i live in the world of reality,  probably a few fence sitters here or there.

            but out of the "100,000" or so that come in and out of here that observe common sense but for a moment,  hardly any.

             i fully understand the wishful thinking quotient at LP,  and the vast majority want to believe they have a hand in the manipulation of the lottery,  i accept that fact. 

            as foreboding as that is,  i also realize there are people who have a handle on wishful think enough to factor things i say about it,  so they can decide before they waste time and money.

            "they" (whoever "they" might be) watch and observe how every one of you guys always back down to a simple demonstration of "what's what".

            any reasonable thinking person knows when they observe that time and again,  they realize you have squat.

            "they" want to believe  (because observing is believing),   but guys like you let them down.

            the title of king picker has been up for grabs,  but no one will snag the brass ring.

            ego's and wishful thinking amalgamated all together,  me thinks that's a tragedy,  given the opportunity.

            i guess the bigger picture is that i provide opportunity to showcase your skills.   maybe you can H5 me for that.

            talk about odds.....i LIVE to go against the odds.....and what that means in here is if i only reached "one person",  and gave them back their life from selling themselves out to wishful thinking,  saved them money and time,  especially in regards to time invested in relationships.........every second has been worth it.

            besides,  it sets the stage for my own "i am meant to"

            there is that,  ya know

            "all is but bloviation,  until a man proves what he claims"   1st visiondude 6:8

            "that is why sustained  observable consistentcy is KING on the "proof" side of things."

            Do you actually understand how long someone could continue to play a system at $5 a bet after it functioned correctly and won over $10,000 and still show a nice profit?

            If you understood the math and systems players, you'd know I was exaggerating when I said "in the next 1000 drawings" but the same hit after an incredible 1000 drawings would increase the profit margin to over 15 grand. If your idea of sustainment and consistentcy is once ever 20 drawings, you can show us and prove it by scanning your QP results.

            "what you did above in your example is but another example of systems players attempting to slip "truths" under the door,  and call it "fact" once it crosses the threshold."

            Number one, you really ought to read more carefully before making ridulious statements. The example I gave wasn't based on what a system could do but an example of real ticket that was scanned and posted on this site. If you don't understand what an abbreviated wheel is, read the "help" section under the "systems" tab. It was a 4 if 4 wheel that matched 4 + 1 of the actual drawn numbers.

            "seriously,  you are not trying to infer QP players are "wasting their time",  do you."

            You're the QP player, prove to us your QPs showed a profit and if the answer is "no", you answered your own question.

            "(1)  he played it "once" (but "believes" in it) check"

            Number two, your ignorance of mathematics is astounding. The 46 number wheel is mathematically designed to AWAYS match at least 2 numbers on one of the 46 lines. When you demanded proof, I offered a bet where the loser would give up their LP posting privileges thinking only a fool would accept my bet, but you actually considered it.

            visiondude on April 11, 2011: "i will look over your "proposition" with an integrity fine tooth comb later tonight and get back to you."

            "(2)  he infers "success"......but only if someone throws $400 a month at it.  (which of course he is "unwilling to do") check"

            The $400 a month I mentioned is the "break even" point and that is usually where systems players start before considering actual play. There are 9 MM drawings per month and the cost of one play is $46. I won't ask you to do the math because you probably can't.

            "any reasonable thinking person knows if something "works",  they would borrow money from their broke cousin and bet the farm. check"

            I could use a rubber stamp like the one RL suggested for you. Mine would say "VD, your ignorance of mathematics is astounding!". I should add 'reading comprehension" and "how to read a lottery payoff chart" and "ignorance of system play" too.

            If you actually knew what the guaranteed payoff is for the 46 combo wheel is, would you still make that foolish statement?

              bobby623's avatar - abstract
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              To all:

              WOW!

              Back on the low road!

              More...

              What if we organize the spacing  into 10 parts, or units, or sections, or cells, or ...

              Further, what if we numbered those cells from 0 to 9.

              More, what if the actual lottery ball drawn determines which of the 10 cells
              would become the 'gap' number.

              More, what if it is stipulated that once a cell is identified, it must fall to the
              bottom of the list.

              The same procedure would be used for lottery numbers 2 and 3. Therefore,
              we have 3 lottery numbers and 3 gap numbers..

              What if we keep an inventory of the lottery and gap numbers.

              What if  we look at the gap list totals and make a guess about which three
              gap numbers will come out at the next drawing.

              An important question is - should the order of the 10 cells be restablished to 0 thru 9,
              or should the revised order be carried to the next drawing.

              An aside: I think the reason a lottery uses 3 vessels is because there isn't enough
              air to generate the 'randomness' required.

              However, folks trying to develop an edge don't have to worry about that. Thus.
              a Pick 3 game can be played as a Pick 3/30 game - just like it might be played with
              computer drawings.

              Thanks for interest.

              More

              What if after adopting the revised spacing list for each drawing, rather than going back to the
              original, we find, after 50 or so drawings, that there isn't enough difference between the
              Gap number totals to make a rational guess.

              Therefore, what if we devise a plan whereby the Gap numbers are used to generate and maintain
              one or more additional data streams.

              The overall effect being that we would have as many as 4 data streams to guide our choices.

              If the lottery numbers are tracked, there could be enough separation to make good choices.

              If the Gap numbers are tracked, ditto.

              The same would be true for the additional data streams.

              In my humble opinion, all lottery plays have to be based on some short of structure. Picking numbers
              out of air or relying solely on past drawing results isn't very effective.

              Similarly to other lottery games, the Pick 3 combinations can be converted into alphabetical structures that
              can be used to guide future play. There are 64 structures, representing 1000 number combinations, to track.
              Some show up much more often than others.

              Additionally, the winning combinations can be reduced to 20+ numerical groups that can be tracked.

              Bottom line, what we would be doing is constructing a 'substitute' lottery number prediction system using
              bonified lottery numbers to guide our progress, and our choices.

              Thanks for your interest.

                garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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                To all:

                WOW!

                Back on the low road!

                More...

                What if we organize the spacing  into 10 parts, or units, or sections, or cells, or ...

                Further, what if we numbered those cells from 0 to 9.

                More, what if the actual lottery ball drawn determines which of the 10 cells
                would become the 'gap' number.

                More, what if it is stipulated that once a cell is identified, it must fall to the
                bottom of the list.

                The same procedure would be used for lottery numbers 2 and 3. Therefore,
                we have 3 lottery numbers and 3 gap numbers..

                What if we keep an inventory of the lottery and gap numbers.

                What if  we look at the gap list totals and make a guess about which three
                gap numbers will come out at the next drawing.

                An important question is - should the order of the 10 cells be restablished to 0 thru 9,
                or should the revised order be carried to the next drawing.

                An aside: I think the reason a lottery uses 3 vessels is because there isn't enough
                air to generate the 'randomness' required.

                However, folks trying to develop an edge don't have to worry about that. Thus.
                a Pick 3 game can be played as a Pick 3/30 game - just like it might be played with
                computer drawings.

                Thanks for interest.

                Bobby, the odds of a 3/30 game are not the same as Pick 3.

                In Pick 3 you have 10 balls in 3 containers.

                The odds are 1/10 X 1/10 X 1/10 = 1:1000

                With a pick 3 of 30 (one container holding all the balls) the odds are:

                1/30 X 1/29 X 1/28 = 1:24360.

                Which game would you rather play?

                  bobby623's avatar - abstract
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                  Bobby, the odds of a 3/30 game are not the same as Pick 3.

                  In Pick 3 you have 10 balls in 3 containers.

                  The odds are 1/10 X 1/10 X 1/10 = 1:1000

                  With a pick 3 of 30 (one container holding all the balls) the odds are:

                  1/30 X 1/29 X 1/28 = 1:24360.

                  Which game would you rather play?

                  Hi, garyo1954

                  The quick answer is that if my lottery plays were based on 'odds' of this or that, I'd give it up
                  and watch TV.

                    Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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                    Bobby, the odds of a 3/30 game are not the same as Pick 3.

                    In Pick 3 you have 10 balls in 3 containers.

                    The odds are 1/10 X 1/10 X 1/10 = 1:1000

                    With a pick 3 of 30 (one container holding all the balls) the odds are:

                    1/30 X 1/29 X 1/28 = 1:24360.

                    Which game would you rather play?

                    You also need to divide the 24,360 by 3! which would be 6. So the odds would actually be 1 in 4,060 for a Pick 3/30 game. A Pick 3/19 would be 1 in 969 and a Pick 3/20 would be 1 in 1140. I actually would play a Pick 3/20 game rather than a traditional Pick 3 game because my system takes advantage of the fact the numbers are being chosen from the same pool. It's a key element to how my system works.

                    Gonna win.Big Smile

                      garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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                      You also need to divide the 24,360 by 3! which would be 6. So the odds would actually be 1 in 4,060 for a Pick 3/30 game. A Pick 3/19 would be 1 in 969 and a Pick 3/20 would be 1 in 1140. I actually would play a Pick 3/20 game rather than a traditional Pick 3 game because my system takes advantage of the fact the numbers are being chosen from the same pool. It's a key element to how my system works.

                      Guru,

                      Now that is definitely interesting. And I agree you do have 3 of each ball....

                      So we could express the odds by saying 1/3:30 X 1/3 (or 1/2):30 X 1/3 (or 1/2), (or 1/1):30?

                      No quibbling, we're picking three balls out of 30.

                      Why would you want to increase the odds?

                        Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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                        Guru,

                        Now that is definitely interesting. And I agree you do have 3 of each ball....

                        So we could express the odds by saying 1/3:30 X 1/3 (or 1/2):30 X 1/3 (or 1/2), (or 1/1):30?

                        No quibbling, we're picking three balls out of 30.

                        Why would you want to increase the odds?

                        "So we could express the odds by saying 1/3:30 X 1/3 (or 1/2):30 X 1/3 (or 1/2), (or 1/1):30?"

                        I don't know if that would work. I've never tried calculating the odds that way.

                        The reason we divide by 3!, which equals 6, is because we don't have to match the order the numbers are drawn in. If we did, then it would be 1 in 24,360. The lottery sorts the numbers chosen from the same pool from least to greatest. For example to calculate for Hoosier Lotto it's:

                        (48*47*46*45*44*43)/6! = 8,835,488,640/720 = 12,271,512

                        Powerball:

                        ((59*58*57*56*55)/5!)*39 = (600,766,320/120)*39 = 5,006,386*39 = 195,249,054

                        To find the factorial of a number(for example the factorial of 5 would be specified as 5!), you multiply all the numbers between that number and 1. For example, 5! is actually 5x4x3x2x1.

                        "Why would you want to increase the odds?"

                        It all comes down to how my system works. If I'm playing QP's, then I would take the traditional Pick 3 over a Pick 3/30. Sets of numbers chosen from the same pool have characteristics which my system takes into consideration and uses those characteristics to elminate sets that aren't very likely to occur in the next drawing. Which is why I no longer use the system on Powerball. I used it on the white ball portion of my numbers, but the fact a number was being chosen out of a separate pool cut down it's effectiveness. So I converted it to work with Hoosier Lotto, a Pick 6 game. I can use my system to it's full advantage now.


                        Gonna win.Big Smile

                          RL-RANDOMLOGIC's avatar - usafce

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                          Posted: April 14, 2011, 2:06 pm - IP Logged

                          "all is but bloviation,  until a man proves what he claims"   1st visiondude 6:8"

                          In a way, they make it easy for us, because, logically, I think that if someone asserts something without proof, then we can dismiss it without proof!

                          Also, I thought of a new filter that the gang here should jump on real quick.  I noticed that 80% of the winning numbers in the PA Daily Number game [000-999] fall between 100 and 899, so if you throw out those unlikely numbers [000-099] and [900-999], then you should have an 80% chance of winning, right?

                          Hurray!

                          To bb brain and his sidekick buckshot

                          You want to see proof but I don't feel the need to show you. However others have seen and they believe.

                          Seems that Gary put you in a bind just a while back, you flunked that test also.  You and the blind man both

                          are so full of hot air that it's a wonder that you don't catch aflame before your time.  I must say the two of

                          you make a very good pair.  The atheist and the misguided, sounds like a tv sitcom to me.  I really think that

                          you could compete with two and a half men if you could find a couple men to join your group.  Everything you

                          two sideshow wanta be's have to say is just a waste of disk storage.  You know that the average human uses

                          only about 8 to 12 percent of there gray matter and I would be happy if you guys could muster half that.  Not

                          trying to be mean, I am serious and think that your time could be used much more effectively doing just about

                          anything but your current course of action.  It's tempting at times to post my proof and I may still do it one day

                          and then how will you feel then.  But on the other hand you would come up with some excuse how I faked it

                          and that it was not really proof but a scam and then you would continue what you are doing now.  I think that

                          you don't have the abilities to do anything close to it and somehow my success makes you feel very bad and

                          causes you to lash out at what you don't understand.   It's true what they say, the mind is a terrible thing to

                          waste but maybe you never heard it early enough to take advantage of it.   If you took the time to see how 

                          a few 4 of 5 wins over the course of a year would produce the claims that I have made then maybe you would

                          not have so much trouble with it.  A 2 of 5 match pays $1.00 and at least half the sets I play meet this requirement

                          which drops the cost of a ticket to 50 cents.  Add to this around 20ea 3 of 5's and I am breaking even.  Then 

                          the 4 of 5's are cash in my pocket.  The odds for a 2of5 are 1 in 9.6 so even if I never hit anything but 2of5's

                          I would still be doing way better then the odds.  Let me ask how much better then the odds do I need to do

                          prove my system works.  I think if I would have posted that I won enough 2 of 5's to beat the odds you would

                          not have said a word because a ROI of 50 cents per dollar invested would not mean enough for you to make a

                          fuss. However since I claim to hit several 3of5's and 2 to 4 4of5's per year it just sets you undies ablaze.  So go

                          ahead and underline, color, change fonts and font size and post away about how untruthful you think I am and

                          I am sure your sidekick can't resist the urge to back you up.  I think that visionless should try some of the religious

                          forums on the net because while he is here the atheist are trying to put a end to religion and maybe your keen

                          eye for statistics could serve the world of finance, just a thought.  Most investers would be glad to earn 10%

                          and there are always people that earn many times that, Maybe they are just lucky, but I don't believe in luck.

                           

                          RL

                            RL-RANDOMLOGIC's avatar - usafce

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                            Posted: April 14, 2011, 2:25 pm - IP Logged

                            "that is why sustained  observable consistentcy is KING on the "proof" side of things."

                            Do you actually understand how long someone could continue to play a system at $5 a bet after it functioned correctly and won over $10,000 and still show a nice profit?

                            If you understood the math and systems players, you'd know I was exaggerating when I said "in the next 1000 drawings" but the same hit after an incredible 1000 drawings would increase the profit margin to over 15 grand. If your idea of sustainment and consistentcy is once ever 20 drawings, you can show us and prove it by scanning your QP results.

                            "what you did above in your example is but another example of systems players attempting to slip "truths" under the door,  and call it "fact" once it crosses the threshold."

                            Number one, you really ought to read more carefully before making ridulious statements. The example I gave wasn't based on what a system could do but an example of real ticket that was scanned and posted on this site. If you don't understand what an abbreviated wheel is, read the "help" section under the "systems" tab. It was a 4 if 4 wheel that matched 4 + 1 of the actual drawn numbers.

                            "seriously,  you are not trying to infer QP players are "wasting their time",  do you."

                            You're the QP player, prove to us your QPs showed a profit and if the answer is "no", you answered your own question.

                            "(1)  he played it "once" (but "believes" in it) check"

                            Number two, your ignorance of mathematics is astounding. The 46 number wheel is mathematically designed to AWAYS match at least 2 numbers on one of the 46 lines. When you demanded proof, I offered a bet where the loser would give up their LP posting privileges thinking only a fool would accept my bet, but you actually considered it.

                            visiondude on April 11, 2011: "i will look over your "proposition" with an integrity fine tooth comb later tonight and get back to you."

                            "(2)  he infers "success"......but only if someone throws $400 a month at it.  (which of course he is "unwilling to do") check"

                            The $400 a month I mentioned is the "break even" point and that is usually where systems players start before considering actual play. There are 9 MM drawings per month and the cost of one play is $46. I won't ask you to do the math because you probably can't.

                            "any reasonable thinking person knows if something "works",  they would borrow money from their broke cousin and bet the farm. check"

                            I could use a rubber stamp like the one RL suggested for you. Mine would say "VD, your ignorance of mathematics is astounding!". I should add 'reading comprehension" and "how to read a lottery payoff chart" and "ignorance of system play" too.

                            If you actually knew what the guaranteed payoff is for the 46 combo wheel is, would you still make that foolish statement?

                            Stack

                            toshay, pardon my french I ment touché

                            RL

                              garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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                              "So we could express the odds by saying 1/3:30 X 1/3 (or 1/2):30 X 1/3 (or 1/2), (or 1/1):30?"

                              I don't know if that would work. I've never tried calculating the odds that way.

                              The reason we divide by 3!, which equals 6, is because we don't have to match the order the numbers are drawn in. If we did, then it would be 1 in 24,360. The lottery sorts the numbers chosen from the same pool from least to greatest. For example to calculate for Hoosier Lotto it's:

                              (48*47*46*45*44*43)/6! = 8,835,488,640/720 = 12,271,512

                              Powerball:

                              ((59*58*57*56*55)/5!)*39 = (600,766,320/120)*39 = 5,006,386*39 = 195,249,054

                              To find the factorial of a number(for example the factorial of 5 would be specified as 5!), you multiply all the numbers between that number and 1. For example, 5! is actually 5x4x3x2x1.

                              "Why would you want to increase the odds?"

                              It all comes down to how my system works. If I'm playing QP's, then I would take the traditional Pick 3 over a Pick 3/30. Sets of numbers chosen from the same pool have characteristics which my system takes into consideration and uses those characteristics to elminate sets that aren't very likely to occur in the next drawing. Which is why I no longer use the system on Powerball. I used it on the white ball portion of my numbers, but the fact a number was being chosen out of a separate pool cut down it's effectiveness. So I converted it to work with Hoosier Lotto, a Pick 6 game. I can use my system to it's full advantage now.


                              Guru,

                              Sorry, I was off doing other things when you posted back. I can see your point but.....

                              The hopper will have 10 sets of three balls before you remove the first one....(10*3)=30

                              Then it will have 9 sets of three plus one set of 2.......(9*3) + 2=29

                              Then it could contain......(8*3) + (2*2).........or (9*3)  + 1=28

                              You have an interesting theory and if it works for you, that's all that matters.

                              I just don't see how increasing the odds against you is of any use.

                              Need to work on super secret lottery system. Wink

                                 
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