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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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"That's why this is the math forum."

That's why I wrongly assume every time I give mathematical evidence why a certain type of system play has a mathematical edge over a like number of QPs, I'll get a mathematical reason that shows my error or proves me wrong. Demands of proof a mathematically designed wheel available to anyone works as intended or let's have a contest against it versus imaginary play money QPs has no business in a Mathematics forum.

I've never understood the big deal about a system beating chance by 11 to 1 because I did the math. Any old harness racing system player should know the profit margin is about the same as when he bet $4 on an Even money horse and his profit was enough to buy a hot dog.

I Agree! with you, Josephus!

"or let's have a contest against it versus imaginary play money QPs has no business in a Mathematics forum"

 you are right stack,  it would be completely emabarrassing for you to watch the results equal/supercede "math".

i don't blame you for running in the opposite direction of "imaginary play money QPs'"...

if they especially succeeded in an fair contest of over time mano a mano,  that would kill wishful thinking,  and turn the debate back to the world of reality.

what's the harm in a test of reality?

only those that want to currently avoid it,  react harshly to it.

all jestering aside,  it's a serious problem when a man/woman refuses a test of reality,  when it could possibly reveal that they are wasting their time,   or pursuing something worthwhile and noble.

a person who only pursues something worthwhile........... constantly tests the "reality" of their pursuit

for entertainment only,  cool.

wishful thinking,   never cool.    it's a waste of time,  and ethically bad to be an accessory to that crime.

unless of course wishful thinking has taken a foothold so bad it's seared your conscience,   then it's "acceptable".

            "i am .........."meant to"       

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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    "I proved my point"

     

    The rest of the world would end it there.


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      "That's why this is the math forum."

      That's why I wrongly assume every time I give mathematical evidence why a certain type of system play has a mathematical edge over a like number of QPs, I'll get a mathematical reason that shows my error or proves me wrong. Demands of proof a mathematically designed wheel available to anyone works as intended or let's have a contest against it versus imaginary play money QPs has no business in a Mathematics forum.

      I've never understood the big deal about a system beating chance by 11 to 1 because I did the math. Any old harness racing system player should know the profit margin is about the same as when he bet $4 on an Even money horse and his profit was enough to buy a hot dog.

      I Agree! with you, Josephus!

      Stack47 says,"I've never understood the big deal about a system beating chance by 11 to 1 because I did the math. Any old harness racing system player should know the profit margin is about the same as when he bet $4 on an Even money horse and his profit was enough to buy a hot dog."

      This is really getting tiring.  You even apply your same illogic trying to joke about my posts in another Forum.  The average player walking into most harness tracks with $100 walks out with about $80.  The fact you don't view outperforming the crowd by a FACTOR of eleven to one as a "Big Deal" speaks volumes about the holidays in your thinking.  And the fact that you are willing to admit it, speaks even more volumes!  When will it sink in that winning one lottery Draw, or one race, tells you nothing about what you can expect over the entire course of your participation in the game[s.]

      See the graphs in my new Poll.


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          i could care less what people do as far as the methodology they use in pursuing the lottery.

        if it bothered me that much,  i would be in here everyday,  in pretty much every forum.

        what does get my attention,  is when someone sells the impression they can do any better than any other methodology, and occasionally it deserves a "spotlight"

        and that's not true,   not in any observable form,  because no one is willing to actually demonstrate "it does"

        that at least deserves a question mark,  because it possibly sells false hope.

        arrogance coupled with an "it's a sure thing",  that requires a little more stringent opposition to reveal whether they can,  or can't.

        i am satisfied with the ongoing point i made in this thread,  that when it gets down to it,  everyone scatters to the farthest corner of the room once they have been presented with the opportunity to show that it actually does.

        cry foul all you want that "no one has to prove it",  it doesn't change the fact that you all run FROM that opportunity.

        the truth stage in life welcomes any chance to showcase it's "truth".

        it certainly doesn't run in the opposite direction,  nor does it claim a case of stagefright,  nor does it call in sick.

        given the amount of arrogance,  insinuated sidedoor on the sly claims, the crying foul angle,  and the dizzying excuses......i find it mildly amusing you still say "you can".

        only mildly amusing,   because it's sad to watch you guys defend an indefensible situation.

        the only way you CAN defend it......is if you could demonstrate it.

        consistently refusing to do it,  says more than 43 pages of posts,  and 9 years +  of observed "claims" ever could.

        it only demonstrates you can't.

        don't blame guys like me.....you guys are the ones that keep telling people "you can".

        running in the opposite direction doesn't make your case for you.

        there is enough arrogance just in this thread that if it was true,  can do justice would have rode into town, and put it all to rest right on main street.

        i even offered up my zip code on LP for the taking,  and we all know if someone could have just based on that,  someone would have.

        can you imagine the h5's PM's that person would get?

        i proved my point

        "that at least deserves a question mark,  because it possibly sells false hope."


        It sells false hope? How does it sell false hope? Anytime you use someone else's strategy or system, you're doing so at your own risk and know this ahead of time, and there is never a guarantee that you will have the same results as that person.

        I have to prove my system works to YOU? Why? Have I tried selling it to you? My system isn't costing you a dime right now. The other guys' systems aren't costing you a dime right now. If we say our systems work, you either believe us or don't, and then move on. Challenging us by saying "prove it" is pointless because we are under no obligation to prove to you that it works. We have our self interest in mind. It it ourselves that we are using our system for.

        Gonna win.Big Smile

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          Stack47 says,"I've never understood the big deal about a system beating chance by 11 to 1 because I did the math. Any old harness racing system player should know the profit margin is about the same as when he bet $4 on an Even money horse and his profit was enough to buy a hot dog."

          This is really getting tiring.  You even apply your same illogic trying to joke about my posts in another Forum.  The average player walking into most harness tracks with $100 walks out with about $80.  The fact you don't view outperforming the crowd by a FACTOR of eleven to one as a "Big Deal" speaks volumes about the holidays in your thinking.  And the fact that you are willing to admit it, speaks even more volumes!  When will it sink in that winning one lottery Draw, or one race, tells you nothing about what you can expect over the entire course of your participation in the game[s.]

          See the graphs in my new Poll.


          "This is really getting tiring."

          A long time ago I came to the conclusion the majority of the your opinions on LP came from something you read on the Net and you have very little first hand knowledge of lottery games, system players, and/or gambling in general. What is getting tiring is trying to discuss someone else's opinion through you.

          "The average player walking into most harness tracks with $100 walks out with about $80."

          I thought the average harness track vig was closer to 25% but whomever gave you that opinion isn't here to ask where he got his figures. I can only take a wild guess and assume that figure is based on the winners splitting 80% of the total handle. It doesn't consider that it takes ten $2 betters to equal one $20 better. If one person bet $2000 on one race and 1000 other people bet $2, does that prove the average player bet $4 or that 99.9% of the players bet $2? 

          "The fact you don't view outperforming the crowd by a FACTOR of eleven to one as a "Big Deal" speaks volumes about the holidays in your thinking."

          Let's get back to a pick-5 game where your "11 to 1" versus chance came from. There is 1 chance in 10 of matching 2 numbers that pays $1 in Ohio's pick-5 game so if you purchase 12 tickets you can expect to collect $1 or lose $11. Why is it so difficult to understand that when the intention of playing the wheel is to match 4 numbers, but it only matches 3, it can still beat chance by 11 to 1?

          You just can't understand how a system could fail to meet its guarantee and still beat chance by 11 to 1 because none of your websites explained it.

          There are ways the wheel can match 4 numbers and win $1200. A player could win nothing for the next 109 drawings and still beat chance by 11 to 1. Chance means a $12 QP player can expect to collect about $120 for 100 $12 bets. To beat chance by 11 to 1 the systems player would have to collect $1440 on his 100 $12 bets and get a meager 20% return on his wagers. That's the same as harness track player cashing in a $2 winning ticket for $2.40.

          As a systems player, the reason I would play a 3 if 4 wheel is because the 12 numbers I chose will consistently match 2 or 3 numbers with an occasional 4 and maybe a rare 5 number match. Consistently means 17 out of 25 drawings and occasional means twice out of 25. Since I would quit playing it if that average wasn't met in 25 drawings, any simulated test on 100 drawing or more is useless information. I would probably quit after 10 drawings if 8 of them didn't match at least two numbers  and 6 didn't match 3.

          To get to the rare 5 means the system is working as intended. But I guess you must believe that system players will continue to make those bets win, lose, or draw for over 33 years so you show us the statistics.

          You're probably a QP player that's guessing a systems player would use any old 12 numbers or play the same 12 numbers in every drawing and would continue for who knows how long because that's how you play. When asked "how many numbers" I didn't have a clue what you meant because all wheel players know "if 4" means any 4 of the numbers must match. If you don't understand wheel guarantees and systems play, turn on the TV or read a book while the players that do have a nice discussion.

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            "or let's have a contest against it versus imaginary play money QPs has no business in a Mathematics forum"

             you are right stack,  it would be completely emabarrassing for you to watch the results equal/supercede "math".

            i don't blame you for running in the opposite direction of "imaginary play money QPs'"...

            if they especially succeeded in an fair contest of over time mano a mano,  that would kill wishful thinking,  and turn the debate back to the world of reality.

            what's the harm in a test of reality?

            only those that want to currently avoid it,  react harshly to it.

            all jestering aside,  it's a serious problem when a man/woman refuses a test of reality,  when it could possibly reveal that they are wasting their time,   or pursuing something worthwhile and noble.

            a person who only pursues something worthwhile........... constantly tests the "reality" of their pursuit

            for entertainment only,  cool.

            wishful thinking,   never cool.    it's a waste of time,  and ethically bad to be an accessory to that crime.

            unless of course wishful thinking has taken a foothold so bad it's seared your conscience,   then it's "acceptable".

            The question.

            Josephus: "What distinguishes a lottery system and quick picks?"

            The answer.

            VD: "your "system" against my QP's"

            Interesting answer but can VD look at 10 lines of MM numbers and tell us what they are. I asked him that question back on page 41 so maybe his vision isn't as good as he thinks.

            1. 05-06-16-34-42  + 26
            2. 15-27-45-48-49  + 22
            3. 02-11-41-45-50  + 33
            4. 10-14-18-28-48  + 39
            5. 05-06-27-30-42  + 04
            6. 04-24-43-44-49  + 25
            7. 06-08-23-40-47  + 17
            8. 20-23-33-35-46  + 37
            9. 06-22-34-42-55  + 45
            10. 12-25-41-43-49  + 46

            (A) are they from an RNG?     (B) are they from a system?     (C) are they 10 lines copied from 10 purchased QPs?

            Since "your system against my QPs"  is the only answer you ever gave, it's more than obvious you know the distinction. After you give us the correct answer, what exactly it is that distinguishes one set of 10 lines from another?

            I know for a fact the results from a test between system picks and QPs can't be your distinction because you have said over and over again "it's random and nobody can predict the results".


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              "This is really getting tiring."

              A long time ago I came to the conclusion the majority of the your opinions on LP came from something you read on the Net and you have very little first hand knowledge of lottery games, system players, and/or gambling in general. What is getting tiring is trying to discuss someone else's opinion through you.

              "The average player walking into most harness tracks with $100 walks out with about $80."

              I thought the average harness track vig was closer to 25% but whomever gave you that opinion isn't here to ask where he got his figures. I can only take a wild guess and assume that figure is based on the winners splitting 80% of the total handle. It doesn't consider that it takes ten $2 betters to equal one $20 better. If one person bet $2000 on one race and 1000 other people bet $2, does that prove the average player bet $4 or that 99.9% of the players bet $2? 

              "The fact you don't view outperforming the crowd by a FACTOR of eleven to one as a "Big Deal" speaks volumes about the holidays in your thinking."

              Let's get back to a pick-5 game where your "11 to 1" versus chance came from. There is 1 chance in 10 of matching 2 numbers that pays $1 in Ohio's pick-5 game so if you purchase 12 tickets you can expect to collect $1 or lose $11. Why is it so difficult to understand that when the intention of playing the wheel is to match 4 numbers, but it only matches 3, it can still beat chance by 11 to 1?

              You just can't understand how a system could fail to meet its guarantee and still beat chance by 11 to 1 because none of your websites explained it.

              There are ways the wheel can match 4 numbers and win $1200. A player could win nothing for the next 109 drawings and still beat chance by 11 to 1. Chance means a $12 QP player can expect to collect about $120 for 100 $12 bets. To beat chance by 11 to 1 the systems player would have to collect $1440 on his 100 $12 bets and get a meager 20% return on his wagers. That's the same as harness track player cashing in a $2 winning ticket for $2.40.

              As a systems player, the reason I would play a 3 if 4 wheel is because the 12 numbers I chose will consistently match 2 or 3 numbers with an occasional 4 and maybe a rare 5 number match. Consistently means 17 out of 25 drawings and occasional means twice out of 25. Since I would quit playing it if that average wasn't met in 25 drawings, any simulated test on 100 drawing or more is useless information. I would probably quit after 10 drawings if 8 of them didn't match at least two numbers  and 6 didn't match 3.

              To get to the rare 5 means the system is working as intended. But I guess you must believe that system players will continue to make those bets win, lose, or draw for over 33 years so you show us the statistics.

              You're probably a QP player that's guessing a systems player would use any old 12 numbers or play the same 12 numbers in every drawing and would continue for who knows how long because that's how you play. When asked "how many numbers" I didn't have a clue what you meant because all wheel players know "if 4" means any 4 of the numbers must match. If you don't understand wheel guarantees and systems play, turn on the TV or read a book while the players that do have a nice discussion.

              You make my point every time you ramble on like this.  (And that includes your response following to Visiondude.)

              Visiondude has "you guys" figured out.  When you can't support your positions with mathematical proof, you resort to any form of distraction you can come up with.  I should have reported that I made millions as a high stakes racetrack gambler in Dubai rather than the mundane truth of the plus or minus 5% around break even of a cash strapped grad student making $5 bets.

              I'm ignoring your details above again because it's clear you still haven't discovered that the hits you talk about are to be expected by chance and if you play long enough, no matter what system you use, your results will mirror those of QuickPick players.  Fighting a 50% house edge, your carefully crafted sets of numbers do no more than help keep your "draw downs" a little less lengthy, but fail to keep you from going bust eventually.

              You really need to sit quietly and look long and hard at JADELottery's simulation output and the charts in my current poll question.  They're screaming at you for attention!

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                "or let's have a contest against it versus imaginary play money QPs has no business in a Mathematics forum"

                 you are right stack,  it would be completely emabarrassing for you to watch the results equal/supercede "math".

                i don't blame you for running in the opposite direction of "imaginary play money QPs'"...

                if they especially succeeded in an fair contest of over time mano a mano,  that would kill wishful thinking,  and turn the debate back to the world of reality.

                what's the harm in a test of reality?

                only those that want to currently avoid it,  react harshly to it.

                all jestering aside,  it's a serious problem when a man/woman refuses a test of reality,  when it could possibly reveal that they are wasting their time,   or pursuing something worthwhile and noble.

                a person who only pursues something worthwhile........... constantly tests the "reality" of their pursuit

                for entertainment only,  cool.

                wishful thinking,   never cool.    it's a waste of time,  and ethically bad to be an accessory to that crime.

                unless of course wishful thinking has taken a foothold so bad it's seared your conscience,   then it's "acceptable".

                If you're so interested in a challenge, what stops you from organizing one and starting one? What keeps you from any kind of action on your part? Why not prove your own point about QP's? I've seen a lot of talk and no action on your part. Not even one post in the predictions page. Had you been backing up your own BS by posting QP's there, maybe you'd be more believable. But really, you have nothing so none of what you say holds any weight to anyone else. You talk a lot of sh** and insult everyone else here in the forum, but the only thing you've proven is that you yourself are all talk and no action. 

                So if you are so much better than us, quit typing page after page after page of your meaningless nonsense and just do it.

                Show everyone you're not all talk and excuses and no action. Start a thread in the proper forum, define what your challenge is, post the rules to level the playing field, invite everyone, and have at it. I am sure there will be takers and it could be quite fun.

                Otherwise, button it up because all you've done in this entire thread is talk a bunch of crap and you have proven nothing except that you're someone who talks a bunch of crap and has proven nothing.

                So quit telling everyone else to man up. Just man up yourself and get the ball rolling.

                Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 


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                  "So quit telling everyone else to man up. Just man up yourself and get the ball rolling."

                  Sorry, the "ball" is in your court.  Visiondude and I are merely claiming that QuickPick players leave 50% of their ticket purchase price at the lottery.  Since "you guys" seem to have no quarrel with that observation, it seems that to the extent you claim to do better, it's your responsibility to "man up!"

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                    "So quit telling everyone else to man up. Just man up yourself and get the ball rolling."

                    Sorry, the "ball" is in your court.  Visiondude and I are merely claiming that QuickPick players leave 50% of their ticket purchase price at the lottery.  Since "you guys" seem to have no quarrel with that observation, it seems that to the extent you claim to do better, it's your responsibility to "man up!"

                    The ball ain't in my court, I'm interested in playing the lottery, not in playing your games. You're the ones who want to make the challenge, no one else.

                    Like I said, if you are interested in a challenge, that's your perogative, you set it up. Even if one of us tried to back up our claims, one of you are going to find some way to discredit it and claim that it's invalid or that we're lying or we have no itegrity blah blah blah. I've already been through that with VD. He accused me of something, I attempted to clarify it for him so he would understand what I was saying, he totally misunderstood what I was trying to say and accused me of the same thing again, as if I was lying or something. That's fine, you and him can say what you want, it means nothing to me and you both mean nothing to me and if you want to think I am lying, he, that's your choice. But I won't waste my time with people who are going to continually disbelieve me. 

                    If someone else here makes a claim in the course of conversation that they've been doing well with a system, I have no reason to think they're lying unless maybe they're trying to sell it or get something out of me. Otherwise, we can go on and continue a good conversation and maybe learn something from each other.

                    As for you and VD, no matter what I or anyone else say, you shoot it down and while doing that you also make underhanded and sublte comments that insult everyones intelligence and integrity. And if you think we're all dumb liars, then there is absolutely no need for us to prove anything because you won't believe us anyway and I don't know why you would waste your time with dumb liars.

                    As for the 50% return, I've heard your claim and decided to put QP's to the test vs my own SP's to discover the truth and I've seen the results. 

                    However if you guys want to challenge someone, then you set it up, because if one of us sets it up, you're going to shoot holes in whatever we do. Otherwise I don't have the time, interest, reason, or movitivation to set up some kind of internet challenge. I've already discovered what I want to know about QP's vs SP's, and I play the lottery for my own fun and benefit. If you don't like what I say or how I play to the point that you feel some need for me to back up or prove something I say, then you really need to get over it and get a life.

                    Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

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                      "So quit telling everyone else to man up. Just man up yourself and get the ball rolling."

                      Sorry, the "ball" is in your court.  Visiondude and I are merely claiming that QuickPick players leave 50% of their ticket purchase price at the lottery.  Since "you guys" seem to have no quarrel with that observation, it seems that to the extent you claim to do better, it's your responsibility to "man up!"

                      The ball is in the courts of every player and unless he wins the big prize, he's usually leaving more than 80% of his ticket purchase price at the lottery because the lotteries keep 50% as profit and still have to pay the winners which they claim comes for the other 50%.  Any player getting at least 50% of his money back is doing real good.

                       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                         
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                        You make my point every time you ramble on like this.  (And that includes your response following to Visiondude.)

                        Visiondude has "you guys" figured out.  When you can't support your positions with mathematical proof, you resort to any form of distraction you can come up with.  I should have reported that I made millions as a high stakes racetrack gambler in Dubai rather than the mundane truth of the plus or minus 5% around break even of a cash strapped grad student making $5 bets.

                        I'm ignoring your details above again because it's clear you still haven't discovered that the hits you talk about are to be expected by chance and if you play long enough, no matter what system you use, your results will mirror those of QuickPick players.  Fighting a 50% house edge, your carefully crafted sets of numbers do no more than help keep your "draw downs" a little less lengthy, but fail to keep you from going bust eventually.

                        You really need to sit quietly and look long and hard at JADELottery's simulation output and the charts in my current poll question.  They're screaming at you for attention!

                        "You really need to sit quietly and look long and hard at JADELottery's simulation"

                        I don't need a nap. I just noticed something; all your posts are about someone else's work and opinions.


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                          The ball ain't in my court, I'm interested in playing the lottery, not in playing your games. You're the ones who want to make the challenge, no one else.

                          Like I said, if you are interested in a challenge, that's your perogative, you set it up. Even if one of us tried to back up our claims, one of you are going to find some way to discredit it and claim that it's invalid or that we're lying or we have no itegrity blah blah blah. I've already been through that with VD. He accused me of something, I attempted to clarify it for him so he would understand what I was saying, he totally misunderstood what I was trying to say and accused me of the same thing again, as if I was lying or something. That's fine, you and him can say what you want, it means nothing to me and you both mean nothing to me and if you want to think I am lying, he, that's your choice. But I won't waste my time with people who are going to continually disbelieve me. 

                          If someone else here makes a claim in the course of conversation that they've been doing well with a system, I have no reason to think they're lying unless maybe they're trying to sell it or get something out of me. Otherwise, we can go on and continue a good conversation and maybe learn something from each other.

                          As for you and VD, no matter what I or anyone else say, you shoot it down and while doing that you also make underhanded and sublte comments that insult everyones intelligence and integrity. And if you think we're all dumb liars, then there is absolutely no need for us to prove anything because you won't believe us anyway and I don't know why you would waste your time with dumb liars.

                          As for the 50% return, I've heard your claim and decided to put QP's to the test vs my own SP's to discover the truth and I've seen the results. 

                          However if you guys want to challenge someone, then you set it up, because if one of us sets it up, you're going to shoot holes in whatever we do. Otherwise I don't have the time, interest, reason, or movitivation to set up some kind of internet challenge. I've already discovered what I want to know about QP's vs SP's, and I play the lottery for my own fun and benefit. If you don't like what I say or how I play to the point that you feel some need for me to back up or prove something I say, then you really need to get over it and get a life.

                          Hmmm...

                          Go back and look at the many backtests of TTTs I did showing that such betting schemes are worthless and view again the 2010 results of MadDog's Powerball Challenge summary and all the abuse I took for them and then ask yourself if it's really fair of you to make a statement like the above.  It's not necessary for me to use underhanded methods to challenge claims of long term success with system play; the math does it for me.  If you would pursue the Monte Carlo Methods I've introduced here you might eventually learn that the randomness of the draw is all that is necessary to produce the kinds of wins and patterns you are observing.

                          "Otherwise, we can go on and continue a good conversation and maybe learn something from each other."

                          Unfortunately, a "good conversation" for you is only one that supports your belief in an ability to have an effect on how much you can win in the lottery.  Sorry, I can't oblige.

                          I understand there are a lot of words coming over the wire here so you can't be expected to have read my many assertions that our differences are based more on psychology than IQ.  I am targeting the person reading this in a library because he/she can't afford a computer or internet service in the hope that he/she pays their rent and utility bills before buying more lottery tickets they can't afford because people like you have subtly or subliminally or unwittingly given them false hope that if they pick their numbers carefully, as you do, their ship is much more likely to come in.

                          --Jimmy4164

                          p.s.  Really, I don't know why you have a problem with me as I've even thanked you on occassion.

                          p.s.s.  I think that what's going on here is classic and happens when some people receive a message they don't like - shoot the messenger!


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                            Posted: April 18, 2011, 6:24 pm - IP Logged

                            "You really need to sit quietly and look long and hard at JADELottery's simulation"

                            I don't need a nap. I just noticed something; all your posts are about someone else's work and opinions.

                            Stack47 just mumbled, "I don't need a nap. I just noticed something; all your posts are about someone else's work and opinions."

                            Here we go again. Distractions.

                            I have no need to reinvent the wheel.  Thus far, the wheel supporting the shoulders I'm standing on is holding up just fine.

                            Seek the truth!

                            --Jimmy4164

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                              December 29, 2010
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                              Posted: April 18, 2011, 6:58 pm - IP Logged

                              Hmmm...

                              Go back and look at the many backtests of TTTs I did showing that such betting schemes are worthless and view again the 2010 results of MadDog's Powerball Challenge summary and all the abuse I took for them and then ask yourself if it's really fair of you to make a statement like the above.  It's not necessary for me to use underhanded methods to challenge claims of long term success with system play; the math does it for me.  If you would pursue the Monte Carlo Methods I've introduced here you might eventually learn that the randomness of the draw is all that is necessary to produce the kinds of wins and patterns you are observing.

                              "Otherwise, we can go on and continue a good conversation and maybe learn something from each other."

                              Unfortunately, a "good conversation" for you is only one that supports your belief in an ability to have an effect on how much you can win in the lottery.  Sorry, I can't oblige.

                              I understand there are a lot of words coming over the wire here so you can't be expected to have read my many assertions that our differences are based more on psychology than IQ.  I am targeting the person reading this in a library because he/she can't afford a computer or internet service in the hope that he/she pays their rent and utility bills before buying more lottery tickets they can't afford because people like you have subtly or subliminally or unwittingly given them false hope that if they pick their numbers carefully, as you do, their ship is much more likely to come in.

                              --Jimmy4164

                              p.s.  Really, I don't know why you have a problem with me as I've even thanked you on occassion.

                              p.s.s.  I think that what's going on here is classic and happens when some people receive a message they don't like - shoot the messenger!

                              p.s.  Really, I don't know why you have a problem with me as I've even thanked you on occassion. 

                              p.s.s.  I think that what's going on here is classic and happens when some people receive a message they don't like - shoot the messenger!

                               

                              The main problem I have with you and perhaps moreso visiondude are the little jabs and put downs you you both like to take at members such as:

                              "The following only singles out Mr. Perkis to show that you are not reporting facts.  I'm sure there are others who are better at covering their tracks."

                              And

                              "When you are unable to answer a question intelligently, I think it would be better to either ignore it, or simply say, "I don't know."  The last three posters here aren't very easily embarrassed, are they?"

                              And 

                              "Unfortunately, a "good conversation" for you is only one that supports your belief in an ability to have an effect on how much you can win in the lottery." 

                              Gee whiz Jimmy, are you shooting the messenger? I thought you don't like that!!!

                              And, no, that is not how I define a 'good conversation'. I have no problem whatsoever with information that contradicts my information. I found Catlin's article that you posted about the bell curve and how it's used in marketing systems to be quite an eye opener.

                              So quite the contrary, I have no problem with information that I may not like or may not agree with, so your personal assertion about what I find to be a good conversation is once again wrong and not grounded in fact. What makes a conversation with you and visiondude 'not a good conversation' are exaclty those snippy, b**chy little jabs with that turn a good conversation into one I can do without.

                              Before you complain about anyone shooting the messenger, you might want to unload your own gun first.

                              Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

                                 
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