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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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Posted: April 19, 2011, 11:10 pm - IP Logged

361 tonight, so no hits tonight guys. That's alright. We're just getting started.Smile

Gonna win.Big Smile

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    "VD calls them QPs even when the discussion is about purchased SPs vs.purchased QPs"

     well that's another lie.   being slimey is a comfortable zip code for stack now.

    it was never about "purchased" anything,  you just tried that underhanded tactic to slither away from the challenge.

    i told you money didn't have to enter the equation to make it legit,  and demonstrated several times how we could without the "purchase factor",  and still have a totally fair scenario.   you ran from that.

    then when i called you on it (that i would purchase my QP's),   you ran from that.

    you lie for sport now,  and think we are all dumb enough to buy your underhanded senmantics game

    "so when VD demanded proof that a mathematically designed wheel functioned as intended, I gave easy to follow instructions for anyone to see".

       the only thing i "demanded" was that you demonstrate your claim that they can produce better "results" than QP's by actually putting them UP against QP's over time to prove you were blowing smoke.    you ran from that.

    " When he still wanted proof by way of a useless contest, I upped the steaks and that when his yellow feathers really started flying'

     that's a lying joke.  i am still here begging you to do it,    but all stack can do is cry to the thin air poleece that "he can".

    i called your bluff on your "raise",  and you wussed out

    "that's another reason why VD gets zero credibility from anyone except Jimmy".

     if you think by "credibility" that i need to be like you in order to BE "credible"?   ...... i would rather be "the only one"

    it's a joke when people have to lie,  to tell themselves they are on the right side of the fence

    bring it stack,  just like i invited you to do in other threads,  and you wussed out in all of those

    "and think we are all dumb"

    Nope, just you, Woodie and every time you post, you keep on proving it!

      truecritic's avatar - PirateTreasure
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      Posted: April 20, 2011, 10:26 am - IP Logged

      Here's a blog that might be of interest to someone here.

      http://www.lotterypost.com/blog/41911

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        Posted: April 20, 2011, 10:37 am - IP Logged

        361 tonight, so no hits tonight guys. That's alright. We're just getting started.Smile

        Over the years, many pick3 players after reading my posts about trying to develop a winning system for the jackpot games, PM me to ask why I never tried doing the same for a pick3 game which had much better odds of winning the top prize.  Many of them even thought it would be easier to work with a pick3 game first and move up to the pick4, pick5 and jackpot games after some success.

        What they failed to realize is the 50% payback in prize money for all lottery games means winning money back is equally hard and so is being successful no matter which game you play regardless of the odds of winning the top prize.  Good luck on your efforts.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          ameriken's avatar - 33ojew2
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          Posted: April 20, 2011, 11:22 am - IP Logged

          Here's a blog that might be of interest to someone here.

          http://www.lotterypost.com/blog/41911

          I'll be interested to see how she does, I think she's a regular system player?

          Thanks to this thread, I decided 3 weeks ago to do my own private test on a Cash 5 using my system picks vs the RNG picks in LP.

          I wanted to see for myself whether I was wasting my time or if there really is an advantage to system play over QP's.

          My next test will be a Lotto 6/42.

          Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

            Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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            Posted: April 20, 2011, 12:02 pm - IP Logged

            Over the years, many pick3 players after reading my posts about trying to develop a winning system for the jackpot games, PM me to ask why I never tried doing the same for a pick3 game which had much better odds of winning the top prize.  Many of them even thought it would be easier to work with a pick3 game first and move up to the pick4, pick5 and jackpot games after some success.

            What they failed to realize is the 50% payback in prize money for all lottery games means winning money back is equally hard and so is being successful no matter which game you play regardless of the odds of winning the top prize.  Good luck on your efforts.

            I don't plan on playing the numbers I post until I start to see really good results. Honestly, I'd rather put my money towards the jackpot games, but I've never come up with a system for Pick 3 or Pick 4, so I would like to test it out a bit, see if it's worth while, depending on how often I can get a box hit.

            Gonna win.Big Smile

              truecritic's avatar - PirateTreasure
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              Posted: April 20, 2011, 12:06 pm - IP Logged

              I'll be interested to see how she does, I think she's a regular system player?

              Thanks to this thread, I decided 3 weeks ago to do my own private test on a Cash 5 using my system picks vs the RNG picks in LP.

              I wanted to see for myself whether I was wasting my time or if there really is an advantage to system play over QP's.

              My next test will be a Lotto 6/42.

              Yes, she is a prolific writer of systems.  Been here almost 5 yrs And a nice person, also.Wink

                RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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                Yes, she is a prolific writer of systems.  Been here almost 5 yrs And a nice person, also.Wink

                Since she is a PLATINUM member and a prolific writer of systems, I was surprised she had never posted on the prediction board.  I'll have to check her blog in a month and see how she rates herself.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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                  Posted: April 20, 2011, 1:46 pm - IP Logged

                  I don't plan on playing the numbers I post until I start to see really good results. Honestly, I'd rather put my money towards the jackpot games, but I've never come up with a system for Pick 3 or Pick 4, so I would like to test it out a bit, see if it's worth while, depending on how often I can get a box hit.

                  I Agree! As long as I'm loosing money, I prefer to lose it chasing a $10M+ jackpot rather than $50.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    truecritic's avatar - PirateTreasure
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                    Posted: April 20, 2011, 4:50 pm - IP Logged

                    [O.T.]

                    That would make a good signature:

                    "As long as I'm losing money, I prefer to lose it chasing a $10M+ jackpot rather than $50"

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                      Posted: April 20, 2011, 5:23 pm - IP Logged

                      So after 47 pages have we answered what the initial topic was supposed to be about?

                      Is there agreement upon what exactly is a lottery system ?

                      I believe guesses and QP are no thought decisions done out of a hat--so to speak.

                      I believe a system consists of actions made because of certain events.

                      Hawk

                      *We may see something that isn’t there because of what we expect to see

                      Or conversely, we may not see something because we don’t expect to see it.*

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                        Posted: April 20, 2011, 6:06 pm - IP Logged

                        So after 47 pages have we answered what the initial topic was supposed to be about?

                        Is there agreement upon what exactly is a lottery system ?

                        I believe guesses and QP are no thought decisions done out of a hat--so to speak.

                        I believe a system consists of actions made because of certain events.

                        Hawk

                        Seems to me the question has been answered sufficiently to satisfy my reasons for asking.  There's clearly no consensus on what a system is, but evidently each individual has a firm definition of the concept as it applies to his/her efforts to anticipate future lottery draws, which actually narrows it down considerably while spreading it out over a lot of possible areas of human thought.

                        A system might involve statistics, internal math, remembering license tag numbers and buying tickets based on them, lucid dreaming of numbers, astrology such as libra dave posts on the mystical forum, sums, roots, splits, Lottery Bibles, anything that anyone chooses to use for the purpose of selecting a group of numbers targeting a future lottery draw result.

                        A lot of more narrowly defined definitions have expressed and argued for or against, but the number of lottery enthusiasts involved in the discussions on the thread is miniscule compared to the number of people posting 'systems', both in the Lottery Systems Forum, and in other forums including Mystical.  Even the users of the mystical forum believe they are using systems to arrive at numbers they hope will hit.

                        Meanwhile, no poster on this thread has claimed to be in possession of any math-related 'system' capable of producing results clearly more likely to more consistently hit tonight or any other time than those posted by libra in his astrology thread.  Many believe they can, including me. 

                        But it hasn't been put to the test in any way allowing verification.

                        My view is that if such a system exists, or is developed sometime in the future it will not possess ownership of the phrase 'lottery system' any more than it does now.

                        Something that allows people to predict numbers is a lottery system.

                        Something that allows people to predict numbers successfully is a different creature of a species all its own.

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                          Posted: April 20, 2011, 7:36 pm - IP Logged

                          So after 47 pages have we answered what the initial topic was supposed to be about?

                          Is there agreement upon what exactly is a lottery system ?

                          I believe guesses and QP are no thought decisions done out of a hat--so to speak.

                          I believe a system consists of actions made because of certain events.

                          Hawk

                          I have to strongly disagree with any other poster that says otherwise:

                          A system is something that does NOT involve subjective decisions.  A system is mechanical and it has logical rules that must be followed.  One person enters whatever information or rules are needed and gets the numbers "123."  Another person (or persons) does the same and ends up with the identical numbers "123."  They duplicate exactly your results.

                          A methodology is partially system and partially subjective.  Something where judgment is applied, even if there are rules in place for part of the method.

                          Playing a license plate or number that catches your eye is not a system - other than by luck, no one else will come up with the same number(s) to play.  That falls under hunch or lucky guess.  It would be the same as using random numbers. You are randomly walking by a license plate and randomly out of the 100s that you see you pick one to play.

                          Your choices when buying tickets is a Quick Pick - as identified on every ticket by the lottery commision(s).  Personal Picks can be from a system, methodology, dreams, license plates, RNG, whatever you want.  Those are the two "official" categories the lottery commisions have setup.

                            ameriken's avatar - 33ojew2
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                            I have to strongly disagree with any other poster that says otherwise:

                            A system is something that does NOT involve subjective decisions.  A system is mechanical and it has logical rules that must be followed.  One person enters whatever information or rules are needed and gets the numbers "123."  Another person (or persons) does the same and ends up with the identical numbers "123."  They duplicate exactly your results.

                            A methodology is partially system and partially subjective.  Something where judgment is applied, even if there are rules in place for part of the method.

                            Playing a license plate or number that catches your eye is not a system - other than by luck, no one else will come up with the same number(s) to play.  That falls under hunch or lucky guess.  It would be the same as using random numbers. You are randomly walking by a license plate and randomly out of the 100s that you see you pick one to play.

                            Your choices when buying tickets is a Quick Pick - as identified on every ticket by the lottery commision(s).  Personal Picks can be from a system, methodology, dreams, license plates, RNG, whatever you want.  Those are the two "official" categories the lottery commisions have setup.

                            After reading pick4hawks post today, it got me to thinking about this, I remember you posted this a few pages back. While I agree with you, for the purposes of the lottery I think this is splitting hairs and is a matter of semantics. I mean, you are correct, however I highly doubt there will be a day when lottery players will discuss 'methodologies', or when software will be packaged as such. I think anything that uses data and has a means to filter and package that data is going to be known as a system, regardless of whether it has some subjective elements or not.

                            IMO, anything other than guesses or quickpicks will probably remain known as a system.

                            Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

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                              After reading pick4hawks post today, it got me to thinking about this, I remember you posted this a few pages back. While I agree with you, for the purposes of the lottery I think this is splitting hairs and is a matter of semantics. I mean, you are correct, however I highly doubt there will be a day when lottery players will discuss 'methodologies', or when software will be packaged as such. I think anything that uses data and has a means to filter and package that data is going to be known as a system, regardless of whether it has some subjective elements or not.

                              IMO, anything other than guesses or quickpicks will probably remain known as a system.

                              If, as time*treat suggests, there's an 'official meaning' of what a lottery system is there's been no mention of it previously in this thread.  Certainly the official lottery systems aren't admitting such a thing fitting the definition he's given exists, might exist, or could exist.

                              Absent an official document from a verifiable source defining what a lottery system is by someone with the authority to define it the definition is left to accepted dictionaries of English usage, which probably haven't gotten around to exploring the concept.

                              I agree with your last sentence.

                                 
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