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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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Posted: April 22, 2011, 3:22 pm - IP Logged

Another 10 lines for tonight's evening drawing. I applied both filters for these lines.

2-4-7
9-3-1
9-7-0
3-5-1
4-4-2
2-9-0
2-8-7
8-9-8
3-2-5
2-4-8

Gonna win.Big Smile

    Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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    Another 10 lines for tonight's evening drawing. I applied both filters for these lines.

    2-4-7
    9-3-1
    9-7-0
    3-5-1
    4-4-2
    2-9-0
    2-8-7
    8-9-8
    3-2-5
    2-4-8

    699. No hit.

    Gonna win.Big Smile

      Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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      Posted: April 23, 2011, 10:30 am - IP Logged

      10 more lines for today's midday using both filters again.

      5-2-5
      4-0-9
      2-8-5
      3-5-6
      5-4-5
      2-8-2
      1-7-7
      5-8-4
      7-9-9
      6-4-1

      Good luck everyone.

      Gonna win.Big Smile

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        Another 10 lines for tonight's evening drawing. I applied both filters for these lines.

        2-4-7
        9-3-1
        9-7-0
        3-5-1
        4-4-2
        2-9-0
        2-8-7
        8-9-8
        3-2-5
        2-4-8

        Hi Guru:  This thread's gotten so long it's almost impossible to maneuver through it to find your series of posts about this.  I haven't even managed to locate whatever details you've provided about the system you're reporting on.

        Would it make sense to you to start a fresh thread for the system and updates?  I'd like to follow along but 50 pages on a thread doesn't offer much hope for doing it easily.

        I hope you'll consider it.

        Thanks.

          Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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          229 was the winner. So no hit. It's still rather early. I have a lot of filters that can be converted over.

          To keep this thread less cluttered, I'll start a new thread continuing on with my testing. You can follow the progress there for those of you who are interested.

          Gonna win.Big Smile

            RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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            229 was the winner. So no hit. It's still rather early. I have a lot of filters that can be converted over.

            To keep this thread less cluttered, I'll start a new thread continuing on with my testing. You can follow the progress there for those of you who are interested.

            Your new thread will probably be moved to the pick3 forum.  Good luck.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              VD: "the answer is.......there is no way to tell,"

              Anyone who buys QPs including me will say the same thing. But there are players that after looking at the QPs will ask to exchange them. Most of us buy QPs to get a piece of the action with very little hope of winning anything. We can say the satisfaction and the entertainment value starts after buying the tickets and before we know the results. If we hear the Jackpot was won in NY and we bought our tickets in California, we know we didn't win the Jackpot without looking at the tickets.

              The choice between buying QPs and picking our own numbers is an option given by the Lotteries. They also give us the option of choosing the cash value of a Jackpot or taking an annuity. I've never read where anyone in those discussion demanded proof one choice is better than the other. Of course that's a bragging rights contest I'd gladly have because it would be between two Jackpot prize winners. I'm assuming the winner would be the one with the most money after the annuity expires in 26 or 30 years.

              VD: "remember how you have attempted at every turn to skate from a legit mano a mano? "

              The worst, silliest, and most illogical argument any debater can make is demanding proof of a negative. You lose all your points in a high school or college debate and probably fail the class. A deist demanding an atheist prove there is no God in religious debate is prime example. If deist can't prove to an atheist that God does exist, where is the logic in demanding they prove something doesn't exist when it's already established they don't believe it exist?

              Another famous example of demanding proof of a negative was the guy going in front of the U.S. Supreme Court demanding they prove Obama's Hawaii birth certificate doesn't exist because he couldn't. Because he had no proof, his case of Obama ineligible to be President was quickly thrown out.

              You have demanded proof SPs will beat QPs or any old like number of sets you can come up with even though to my knowledge not one person has made that claim. I made the claim a wheel with 46 lines using all bonus numbers has better bonus number coverage than 46 QPs and only a mathematical idiot would say it's impossible to use all 46 bonus numbers on 46 lines. I even conceded the fact it's possible that 46 purchased QPs might have all 46 bonus numbers but I'm not going to or need to keep on purchasing 46 QPs until I get the perfect set to prove something I know is a possibility.

              Your purposed contests are nothing more than making an illogical and idiotic demand that SP players prove a negative. Showing out of context remarks as proof is just more proof you're a troll/toy. Why should anyone have to prove they never made the statements your silly contests are based on?

              You already conceded the fact "there is no way to tell" what distinguishes 10 sets of RNG picks or SPs or QPs from the others. If want to give an example of all three together and explain any distinctions, that's your prerogative and you may even get some on topic comments.

              VD: "simulation",  with no money.     ummm,  that sounds vaguely familiar."

              If you didn't understand that I was talking about real money, why did you highlight "who gets the $18,250,000 payoff that his figures prove on a 50% lottery edge when there is an average daily bet of $100,000 every year?"

              I could explain to you that because the simulation proved a 50% lottery edge and an average daily bet of $100,000 would yield $36,500,000, but you can't understand the math because you're mathematically challenged.

              "The worst, silliest, and most illogical argument any debater can make is demanding proof of a negative".

               ahhhhhh, now we are getting somewhere.

              why do you postulate i picked you to highlight out of the pack in here?   i picked you, because you stuck your neck out too far,  past the point of a "maybe" to underhandedly insinuating with sarcastic arrogance "it" was a "fact".

              youare the one that started in the "negative" end of the scale when you started your quest to sell pursuing the lottery is "factually possible" to extract more of an edge from it by using a system.

              when you went there.....from maybe land to "fact",  you invited the microscope.

              your "deist vs atheist" analogeeeeeee fell flat when you aligned the debate to an 'you refuse to believe" scenario,   because i don't swim in that river when it comes to my belief as to whether systems work or not.

              it's never been a "refusal to believe".    i stated many times  .......that if someone actually had the guts to flesh out their claims (obviously that isn't you),  then IF i could see that it DID work,  i would sing the praises of system play thenceforth.

              you are once again out of line for inferring something that is completely untrue.    but hey,  that's how desperate people react when they are cornered in the hypocrisy arena.

              oh gheeze,  good parallel about the obama b-cert debacle.    you don't see obama RUNNING to qualify and squelch that mess,  do you?   

              look,  there is no framed portrait of obama in my house BUT,  i pick the truths of life over people,  and since you served that up as some sort of twisted "qualification" of yours,  seems you and obama have something in common,  and are both unwilling to prove it.

              obama as the president has to make a "claim" to U.S. citizenship,  so he is under obligation to "prove it", and just like your claims,  both of you are silent.    and neither are you running to solidify their claims.

              people of integrity don't run in the other direction,  and they welcome the most stringent scrutiny.

              "You have demanded proof SPs will beat QPs or any old like number of sets you can come up with even though to my knowledge not one person has made that claim"

               you have (underhandedly) many times over by your little sneaky sidedoor assertions disguised as "fact".

              if you had pumped the brakes at maybe-lane with the "46 lines" thingy at the intersection of arrogance hwy,  you and i wouldn't be in this rodeo.

              the others who started to,  put it in reverse,  and rightfully picked it's "just a maybe,  but i am working on it".

              you,  you keep acting the innocent angle,  like you never stated anything worth me highlighting you for.

              ahhh nope.   if you are going to arrogantly claim something,  i am going to set the stage for you to either prove it,  or everyone is going to watch as you manufacture obama's birth certificate yourself

              as far as what i said about your no money simulation,  it's exactly what you were implying......asking jimmy to run a "simulation".   

              who was gonna put up the $100,000?   YOU ???

              if it's such a "slam dunk",  borrow the $100,000 and put your money where your hypothesis lands.

              that's the perfect example of you selling this garbage as "fact". 

              if it was "true".......everyone and their whole family tree would throw $100,000 to get $36,500,000.

              just how stupendously wishful thinking impaired people are when,  they do what's called "accuality addition"? 

              see......i am good, huh?     go ahead,  say it......."visiondude,   you ARE good at "math"

              truth is,  if you had $100,000,   you would invest it in downtown detroit real estate before you threw it at your little "fact".

              i warned you,  but for some reason you are a sucker for self highlight.

              remember when i said you cannot ever manufacture enough excuses to move past me on the believability stage?

              today was another exercise in your wishful thinking

              are you auditioning for the chief pinnochio role at LP ?

              you have my vote

                          "i am .........."meant to"       

              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                "The worst, silliest, and most illogical argument any debater can make is demanding proof of a negative".

                 ahhhhhh, now we are getting somewhere.

                why do you postulate i picked you to highlight out of the pack in here?   i picked you, because you stuck your neck out too far,  past the point of a "maybe" to underhandedly insinuating with sarcastic arrogance "it" was a "fact".

                youare the one that started in the "negative" end of the scale when you started your quest to sell pursuing the lottery is "factually possible" to extract more of an edge from it by using a system.

                when you went there.....from maybe land to "fact",  you invited the microscope.

                your "deist vs atheist" analogeeeeeee fell flat when you aligned the debate to an 'you refuse to believe" scenario,   because i don't swim in that river when it comes to my belief as to whether systems work or not.

                it's never been a "refusal to believe".    i stated many times  .......that if someone actually had the guts to flesh out their claims (obviously that isn't you),  then IF i could see that it DID work,  i would sing the praises of system play thenceforth.

                you are once again out of line for inferring something that is completely untrue.    but hey,  that's how desperate people react when they are cornered in the hypocrisy arena.

                oh gheeze,  good parallel about the obama b-cert debacle.    you don't see obama RUNNING to qualify and squelch that mess,  do you?   

                look,  there is no framed portrait of obama in my house BUT,  i pick the truths of life over people,  and since you served that up as some sort of twisted "qualification" of yours,  seems you and obama have something in common,  and are both unwilling to prove it.

                obama as the president has to make a "claim" to U.S. citizenship,  so he is under obligation to "prove it", and just like your claims,  both of you are silent.    and neither are you running to solidify their claims.

                people of integrity don't run in the other direction,  and they welcome the most stringent scrutiny.

                "You have demanded proof SPs will beat QPs or any old like number of sets you can come up with even though to my knowledge not one person has made that claim"

                 you have (underhandedly) many times over by your little sneaky sidedoor assertions disguised as "fact".

                if you had pumped the brakes at maybe-lane with the "46 lines" thingy at the intersection of arrogance hwy,  you and i wouldn't be in this rodeo.

                the others who started to,  put it in reverse,  and rightfully picked it's "just a maybe,  but i am working on it".

                you,  you keep acting the innocent angle,  like you never stated anything worth me highlighting you for.

                ahhh nope.   if you are going to arrogantly claim something,  i am going to set the stage for you to either prove it,  or everyone is going to watch as you manufacture obama's birth certificate yourself

                as far as what i said about your no money simulation,  it's exactly what you were implying......asking jimmy to run a "simulation".   

                who was gonna put up the $100,000?   YOU ???

                if it's such a "slam dunk",  borrow the $100,000 and put your money where your hypothesis lands.

                that's the perfect example of you selling this garbage as "fact". 

                if it was "true".......everyone and their whole family tree would throw $100,000 to get $36,500,000.

                just how stupendously wishful thinking impaired people are when,  they do what's called "accuality addition"? 

                see......i am good, huh?     go ahead,  say it......."visiondude,   you ARE good at "math"

                truth is,  if you had $100,000,   you would invest it in downtown detroit real estate before you threw it at your little "fact".

                i warned you,  but for some reason you are a sucker for self highlight.

                remember when i said you cannot ever manufacture enough excuses to move past me on the believability stage?

                today was another exercise in your wishful thinking

                are you auditioning for the chief pinnochio role at LP ?

                you have my vote

                VD,

                I only have one comment to make, you need to quit tap dancing and prove your point, don't keep asking other people to prove theirs. Their is something telling me, you are hoping someone will post a system, that really does work, so you can use it. I don't recall you or Jimmy making any comments in lotterybrakers' post. If you will check, you will see he has a pretty good system.

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                  VD,

                  I only have one comment to make, you need to quit tap dancing and prove your point, don't keep asking other people to prove theirs. Their is something telling me, you are hoping someone will post a system, that really does work, so you can use it. I don't recall you or Jimmy making any comments in lotterybrakers' post. If you will check, you will see he has a pretty good system.

                  Hey Bob

                  See your up early, I think you hit the nail on the head.  Still toying with the information you sent

                  but I am really pressed for time right now.

                  RL

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                    VD: "as far as what i said about your no money simulation,  it's exactly what you were implying......asking jimmy to run a "simulation".    

                    It's was established long ago your ignorance of math is astounding yet you just can't stop proving it.

                    Jimmy's random simulation would show the edge on pick-3 games paying $500 to $1 is 50% whether he runs it for 1 random simulated drawing with 150 million $1 bets or for 150 million random simulated drawings with one $1 bet. There are many other ways to prove the 50% edge but that topic was about simulations.

                    The edge proves when the PA pick-3 game had ticket sales of over $37 million in their last fiscal year, they paid out over $18 million to the winners. Jimmy has said many times it's impossible for any pick-3 system to show a profit over time and I was simply asking him, if that was true, who got the over $18 million that was paid out'

                    VD: "who was gonna put up the $100,000?" 

                    It was "put up" by the PA daily pick-3 lottery players in the fiscal year 2010. The about "$100,000 daily average wager" I referred to can be found by doing simple fourth grade math without using pencil and paper or fingers and toes. (hint: there are 365 drawings a year)

                    VD: "you have (underhandedly) many times over by your little sneaky sidedoor assertions disguised as "fact"."

                    Now you're asking me to prove I never said a system would beat QPs or demanding "proof of a negative". You really are tool because even after being told why proving a negative demands are intellectually incompetent, you still demand proof.

                    I'll bet you won many "I can prove I'm dumber" debates!

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                      VD,

                      I only have one comment to make, you need to quit tap dancing and prove your point, don't keep asking other people to prove theirs. Their is something telling me, you are hoping someone will post a system, that really does work, so you can use it. I don't recall you or Jimmy making any comments in lotterybrakers' post. If you will check, you will see he has a pretty good system.

                      There is something telling me, you are hoping someone will post a system, that really does work, so you can use it.

                      I think we all have self interest as an incentive for posting at LP, why should VD and Jimmy be any different?  While I do believe one can establish a system of playing that may improve their odds of winning something, that doesn't come close to a system that guarantees a win or profit every times one plays which is what VD and Jimmy are looking for.   Since less than 3% of lottery combinations can ever win anything during any drawing, it's always going to be easier to prove 97% of players will lose every time than it will be to prove that a player can be in the 3% of winners most of the time by using a system.   I'm not sure if anyone who has spent the time and effort to prove if it can be done will care enough about what other think to share their findings.  In the end, I think each player will have to do his own research and come to his own conclusions.

                       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                         
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                        I'm not quite sure what Jimmy and VD's arguments are. More than once VD made the argument that no one could manipulate the outcome of a random event. Well, duh. I don't know who he was addressing because I've seen no such claim, and I highly doubt that any serious and reasonable lottery player would actually believe that anyone or any system could actually change the outcome of a draw.

                        I think the best that one can claim is that their system is somehow helping them gain an edge over QP's or random #'s, that it is bettering their odds by eliminating numbers or combinations that may not appear in the next draw, or perhaps identifying numbers that could appear in the next draw. And if they hit a jackpot while doing so, or if they're getting back more money than they did with quickpicks, then that's really all that matters. System play is not perfect, but obviously good enough for serious players to continue as well as improve what they're doing.

                        Is there 'proof' that system play is better than quickpicks? Personally, I think there is plenty of proof all over Lottery Post. There was more than enough to inspire me to start system play, and my own results have given me enough reason to continue.

                        And neither Jimmy nor VD have provided any 'proof' or reason why anyone should abandon system play and go back to quickpicks.

                        Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

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                          There is something telling me, you are hoping someone will post a system, that really does work, so you can use it.

                          I think we all have self interest as an incentive for posting at LP, why should VD and Jimmy be any different?  While I do believe one can establish a system of playing that may improve their odds of winning something, that doesn't come close to a system that guarantees a win or profit every times one plays which is what VD and Jimmy are looking for.   Since less than 3% of lottery combinations can ever win anything during any drawing, it's always going to be easier to prove 97% of players will lose every time than it will be to prove that a player can be in the 3% of winners most of the time by using a system.   I'm not sure if anyone who has spent the time and effort to prove if it can be done will care enough about what other think to share their findings.  In the end, I think each player will have to do his own research and come to his own conclusions.

                          "I think we all have self interest as an incentive for posting at LP, why should VD and Jimmy be any different?"

                          Jimmy is not as persistent about showing systems by having useless contests as VD, but without another logical reason for demanding proof, I have to agree with Carbob. You had a "mano to mano" contest with VD and if I recall the results showed you matched 0 + 1 and VD matched 1 + 1. At best it proved the accuracy of the "odd of" chart.

                          You said you may have bet $50 once or twice on one drawing and VD probably hasn't bet that much in one year. What exactly were you expecting to prove to VD by having a contest of your 46 SPs against VD's RNG picks?

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                            VD,

                            I only have one comment to make, you need to quit tap dancing and prove your point, don't keep asking other people to prove theirs. Their is something telling me, you are hoping someone will post a system, that really does work, so you can use it. I don't recall you or Jimmy making any comments in lotterybrakers' post. If you will check, you will see he has a pretty good system.

                            "Their is something telling me, you are hoping someone will post a system, that really does work, so you can use it."

                            You make a good point with this. Lets take a hypothetical situation:

                            ---

                            I win Hoosier Lotto with numbers generated by my system.

                            VisionDude: Well that was only 1 time. We don't really know if that was the system or just plain luck.

                            I win Hoosier Lotto a second time. And despite being a jackpot game with odds of 1 in 12,271,512...

                            VisionDude: That was only 2 times. We don't know if it was the system or just extreme luck.

                            I win the Hoosier Lotto a third time. Wild idea, but...

                            VisionDude: Well if your system REALLY works, then ANYBODY should be able to use it. WHY don't you post it so others can verify it works.

                            ---

                            This is despite the fact that not all systems use fixed variables. Some do indeed rely on the player's discretion to a certain extent. To VisionDude, 1, 2, or 3 wins just ain't enough, even if it's 1, 2, or 3 jackpot wins.

                            Gonna win.Big Smile

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                              VD,

                              I only have one comment to make, you need to quit tap dancing and prove your point, don't keep asking other people to prove theirs. Their is something telling me, you are hoping someone will post a system, that really does work, so you can use it. I don't recall you or Jimmy making any comments in lotterybrakers' post. If you will check, you will see he has a pretty good system.

                              i am the only one that isn't  "tap dancing".   you need to direct your "concerns" to your fellow claim-aints.

                              where are they in this?    playing "i can i can i can" and then "no i won't"

                              i am right here consistently staying in the debate,  without spitting excuses out left and right

                              been here 9 years attempting to "prove my point" .......everytime i come across an arrogant person that claims they" can".

                              no takers, carbob.

                              do you see me cruisin around looking to "make my point"?

                              and don't you dare accuse me of being in this in order to jack someones system.

                              with the way my life is ordered,  i cannot go at it any other way BUT with 1QP.

                              even if i could.....i cannot

                              this is another example of why i have to take people like you to the integrity cleaners. 

                               just because guys like you get irritated when i highlight the improbabilities of what you attempt,  instead of being a man about it and writing it off to a disagreement of position,   you underhandedly take the lowest road, and lie about my integrity / motives. 

                              you just illustrated another example of why i have to do what i do.

                              i am right here.  where are all your constituents lining up to show us all?

                              since it's such a recent concern of yours,   why don't you do it?

                              lying about people is what,  acceptable in your world?

                              nice

                              9 years.  same guy day in,  and day out.

                              the "integrity" of you guys changes with whatever the wind direction happens to be blowing at that particular moment.

                                          "i am .........."meant to"       

                              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

                                 
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