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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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Posted: April 27, 2011, 2:53 am - IP Logged

VD: "he has never seen the stats"

Everybody posting on a lottery games based message board should have some knowledge of the lottery and lottery players. You apparently haven't learned a thing about either in your 9 years as a member. With hundreds of ways to get a much higher for a buck, you believe everybody will spend it on a pick-3 QP that has 50% chance of being a box bet. 

How did you conclude it was an actual stat when the words "PROBABLY" and "AT LEAST were used?

If I made that statement to 99.99% of LP members, they will PROBABLY say that I'm PROBABLY pretty CLOSE to being correct.

Sometimes it's necessary to explain the meanings and usage of certain English language words to 3 or 4 year-old children, but I didn't know it's a requirement to discuss anything about the lottery with an adult with a "9 years of membership".

you can make up whatever your conscience decides on in la la vacation land,  but the truth is you purposefully fudge facts about "success" with your attempts at the "innocent" insertion thereof.

i just happen to be better at reading thru the feign-ous,  to highlight you doing it. 

 make that "attempting it".

call it what you will,  but you work to sell things as "factual",  that aren't remotely factual.

not when pieced together, and certainly not on the big scale of eventuality.

trouble is.....most people don't have the tools to catch you doing this,  to call you on it,  or they look the other way because of wishful thinking-itis.

there was no discrepancy about the "inability" to handle the english language (on my part) when you made the claim that you knew you could turn $100,000 into $35,000,000.

that ginormous "factual" faux pas sealed your fate in the believability dept.

you know the level of how high the wishful thinking factor has reached in here,  that after a guy like you makes a statement like that,  and doesn't do it, and people still throw you into the viable pile of lottery info in here.....

that's def con 5 "bad"

i am willing to make a "lottery" prediction in here.....you will keep trying

            "i am .........."meant to"       

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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    look,  it's obvious none of you are ever going to step up to the stage short of your whining,  so step aside,  and let lotterybraker and i debate the issue.

    go waste someone elses time.

     i have bigger fish to fry,  now that someone is actually willing to swim in the integrity pool, instead of suntanning on the beach.

    at least lotterybraker has the guts to back up her/his claim

                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

      lotterybraker's avatar - pyramid
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      "well Vision dude...you have my go ahead"...

       ok, lets' see if we can play fair,  without some rediculous shot across the bow of the ship. 

      i am not here to attack people,  i am here to measure the validity of ideaologies,  and it's apparent in an ethical world that "if" someone has something,  they aren't supposed to cry to the hills when someone shines a light on it,  as to it's validity.

      to me,  when adding up something that supposedly is valid in terms of varifiable evidence that someone actually possess the ability to extract profit from personal effort,  i realize that "past efforts" aren't always the indicator of success straight across the board.

      if i were to go back into the "past" of your efforts in order to validate something,  it would always being measured in terms of "effort" vs "success".

      i am new to scrutinizing your methodology,  so i only know a little.

      so these are intial red flags,  maybe more from a lack of knowledge about your preferred methodology.

      (1) if my memory serves me right,  you don't even live in a lottery state,  so why bother,  if you don't profit from your efforts monetarily?    seems a whole lotta something something for nothin.    what gives?

      (2) you "supposedly" possess the ability to crack the "code" for all pick 3 games,   and yet you yourself don't "profit" from it (so far as i understand to this post)......and.......you are hesitant to "not take advantage" of the pick 3 games all over the world?    that makes zero sense.   would you like to explain.

      (3) since i don't know specifics,   are you a "one state" specific when it comes to your efforts,  or one of those people that throws hundreds of numbers up and says ......"they are for all states"?

      (4) what interests any skeptic is future sustained obvious repeatability whereby profit exceeds effort.

      now,  i know the integrity ain'ts will lie to their english teachers they couldn't read or understand that,  but they are suffering from stage fright.

      i appreciate the fact that you aren't.

      see what you can do about answering my intial concerns,  and by all means,  throw anything my way that you can think of that will expedite this debate between us.

      thanks, vision

      footnote to the reading audience.....you see,  this is how you handle yourself in a room where etchics are up for grabs.   you don't lie about your opponent,   and you don't go running in the other direction whining when you yourself have made a claim.

      Visiondude..just read over your QUESTIONS of concern..let me answer those for you and I will be a Southern Gentleman about it for sure..I only get ugly or rude when I KNOW FOR A FACT I AM RIGHT..but then I just usually will drop the conversation because no matter how hard you try to explain something to someone..they still cant get it....

       

      1. Yes you are right..I live in Mississippi and we do not have a lottery and the past 20 plus years all I have done is RESEARCH ..thats all..and I have notebooks after notebooks after notebooks after notebooks full of research to back that up..and that is just from the past 12 or 13 years I guess..see...ONCE I discovered that code I use..that was  the biggie...I rounded up all of my NON IMPORTANT RESEARCH  and threw it away in 2 big huge black garbage bags because I knew I wouldnt need it anymore...TRUE..no monetary gain from a lottery state except 5 out of 6 on Floridas lotto in 1990 maybe 1991..3300.00 that Saturday nite....lets talk about that monetary gain a little more...since I have joined LP ,I have BEEN more than GIVING, and more than Helpful with everyone here at this site..Now..one more POINT...I am disabled because I took my son hunting 18 years ago and he shot me with a shotgun and almost killed my a$$, which really translates into BEING VERY POOR..hahaha..or I would have my own website already...maybe I am being taken to the cleaners but most places I have talked to here in Mississippi has told me it would cost me anywhere from 10k to 15 k for a website that I would need..want to loan me the money...hahahaha

       

      2.  Possess the ability...hummm..lets see..have you checked the pic 3 forum lately..there are enough STATE SPECIFIC FIELDS in there to keep you busy for a little while..or you can look at this again..

      4/18/201178583884-4DE Midday 1:25PM Pick 31$0.25$0.25N0-0-00-0-0$225.00
      4/18/201178584811-31NJ Midday 12:40PM Pick 31$0.25$0.25N1-8-51-8-5$225.00
      4/18/201178585267-19TX Midday 1:00PM Pick 31$0.50$0.50Y1-2-32-1-3$75.00
      4/17/201178525017-77NC 11:07PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y2-7-7-87-8-2-7$187.50
      4/16/201178456461-12MI 6:53PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y0-0-5-10-1-0-5$187.50
      4/16/201178412316-37NY Midday 12:10PM Pick 31$0.25$0.25N1-9-81-9-8$225.00
      4/15/201178373638-12MI 6:53PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y0-4-6-86-4-8-0$93.75
      4/13/201178243235-31TX Midday 1:00PM Pick 31$0.50$0.50Y3-5-65-6-3$75.00
      4/12/201178181660-75KY Midday 1:10PM Pick 31$0.25$0.25Y2-9-92-9-9$75.00
      4/12/201178196687-4DE 7:00PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y1-1-3-21-3-2-1$187.50
      4/11/201178133138-1CA Midday 4:00PM Pick 31$0.25$0.25N0-5-80-5-8$225.00
      4/11/201178133843-27IL Midday 1:25PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y7-5-3-35-3-3-7$187.50
      4/11/201178133183-37NJ Midday 12:40PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y8-8-5-98-5-8-9$187.50
      4/6/201177834078-12NC 11:07PM Pick 31$0.50$0.50Y0-4-55-0-4$75.00
      4/6/201177795721-79LA 10:25PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y6-6-1-55-6-1-6$187.50

       

      4/5/201177740118-50OH 7:14PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y0-0-9-30-9-3-0$187.50
      4/5/201177740040-6FL 7:30PM Pick 31$0.25$0.25N1-4-91-4-9$225.00

       

      4/5/201177727834-5MI Midday 12:24PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y1-1-7-87-8-1-1$187.50
      4/4/201177677732-58VT 6:40PM Pick 31$0.25$0.25Y2-2-72-2-7$75.00
      4/4/201177677732-36NH 6:40PM Pick 31$0.25$0.25Y2-2-72-2-7$75.00
      4/4/201177686399-22FL 7:30PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y5-5-5-88-5-5-5$562.50
      4/3/201177591224-24NC Midday 2:45PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y1-1-2-41-2-1-4$187.50
      4/1/201177461740-38GA 10:45PM Pick 41$0.25$0.25Y9-9-2-69-6-

      now there are quite a few pic 4's in there because I designed a new field for pic 4 which works pretty good..., it started out as research on all states but I was able to widdle it down to state specific..99% of those pic 4's were state specific, not using all states..that maybe a little high..could be around 95 % but either way..I will say the biggest majority was state specific..

       

      3. No I dont throw out Hundreds of combos and say they are for all-states..do you ever go to the pic 3 forum..if you do or have...that question right there would not have even been asked..

      4. Now..why did I even choose the Lottery to begin with not even living in a lottery state..well..let me tell you the samething I told my fellow LP members a long time ago..and this is going to sound KOOKY AND SPOOKY..One afternoon I was working with Floridas numbers and all of a sudden I heard a voice that was just as plain as if I was sitting there talking to you..and it said Terry , you can solve this..and I have never looked back and it has driven me to where I am not..believe it or not..makes no difference to me...

      5. NO, I am not ONE STATE, what I can do, I can do for any state or any country..of course pic 3 is the easiest..it has less combos to worry about

       

      6. THAT MONETARY GAIN part is just about to change..take my word for it..that new repeating field I designed for pic 3 will help anyone who plays pic 3 in any state, and I WILL BET YOU it will be better than anything you or anyone else could find on the internet ANYWHERE...

       

      7. Now..let me ask you a question...what do you think a REPEATING FIELD OF 28 numbers for 60 days would be worth if you were to get anywhere from 18-25 hits out of 28 combos..DONT WORRY MY FELLOW LP MEMBERS...I am not that greedy and will not be charging an arm and a leg

       

      8. Now..if you can do better than that..I will make you a deal...I will buy all my combos from you to play..deal?...hahahaha

      9. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT..I can Honestly SWEAR ON MY SOUL..that I have taken nothing from any LP MEMBER  at this site since I have been a member..I havent needed to for onething, and second, my whole entire system is based on very larger numerical fields..I do need to clarify onething though...SINCE Joining LP, Todds MASSIVE database shed a little more light on what random was doing all over the place..not just in Louisiana, which I use to have every combo from the first drawing til I joined LP and stopped writing them down..because Louisiana was my research field..

       

      Good Luck to you on your research and Hopefully you will hit a jackpot soon ..now wouldnt that be sweet....!!!!!1

      "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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        Unless your website is going to be outrageously elaborate from the start, you could get going for easily 1/20th or less of what those guys are wanting to charge.

        In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
        Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.

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          LOTTERYBRAKER

          I was messing around and thought you might be interested in this.  A while back I posted a simulation of 

          using a Big wheel like the one on the game show "The Price is Right" where every set was placed on the

          wheel.  The sets are placed in numerical order and the wheel is spun and must go all the way around each

          spin.  The wheel is not reset each draw so each spin would begin where the last draw ended.  The percents

          are how far the wheel spins from it's beginning point to where it stops.  156% means that the wheel spun

          one full round + 56% of a second round.   I placed a link to download the text file if your interested, I know 

          we view the randomness of the draw a little different but I thought you might enjoy looking at this.  The

          download link for the complete file is at the bottom.

          RL

           

          Set                     Lexi        Per

          ________________________

          18 19 22 27 31  549809  156%
          04 11 18 20 23  229133  135%
          01 06 11 16 29  029356  169%
          09 19 22 24 32  427614  105%
          08 19 28 35 37  400828  125%
          17 20 27 31 32  545292  145%
          05 14 19 21 28  283547  123%
          03 05 09 26 34  148246  107%
          03 15 18 19 27  186607  154%
          13 16 17 21 28  499418  117%
          08 18 20 30 35  398852  124%
          05 07 26 31 38  261227  143%
          01 04 07 11 24  016102  185%
          13 18 25 26 29  503540  108%
          11 12 31 32 36  459847  170%
          01 13 18 26 34  057452  174%
          12 15 18 24 29  482956  140%
          05 06 08 15 37  251808  106%
          04 08 18 34 36  218317  112%
          03 05 06 34 36  146920  102%
          03 07 09 14 26  158432  146%
          09 17 20 25 32  424869  104%
          10 17 24 26 28  449143  110%
          08 13 25 28 31  390469  159%
          01 11 13 20 36  050566  113%
          02 13 16 29 37  123092  148%
          08 18 19 20 31  398542  102%
          09 10 21 27 38  408618  130%
          04 14 26 29 33  238138  134%
          10 11 28 31 36  436331  139%
          04 07 12 18 19  212010  124%
          01 28 31 37 38  073429  154%
          08 12 18 22 27  386818  118%
          12 21 22 32 33  491260  177%
          01 11 13 16 19  050467  190%
          21 25 35 36 38  566181  198%
          01 02 12 18 36  004632  188%
          14 16 23 32 34  513186  136%
          06 08 16 21 23  305016  119%
          03 20 23 34 37  194317  133%
          08 12 13 31 38  385668  162%
          01 05 21 23 39  026503  188%
          15 22 28 29 32  530656  185%
          01 08 25 29 30  041932  108%
          02 05 09 14 17  089102  124%
          04 10 18 35 38  226038  110%
          03 09 11 23 39  167964  100%
          03 09 14 17 20  168810  102%
          03 13 14 19 32  181318  131%
          07 15 17 29 35  362166  121%
          04 15 30 32 35  240390  140%
          01 03 11 27 36  011565  186%
          13 21 31 34 35  506847  107%
          11 17 18 26 35  468750  135%
          05 09 15 24 25  267953  145%
          01 03 07 08 20  009466  119%
          02 12 17 26 36  120689  164%

           

          http://www.box.net/shared/y1ciiimlp5

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            LOTTERYBRAKER

            I was messing around and thought you might be interested in this.  A while back I posted a simulation of 

            using a Big wheel like the one on the game show "The Price is Right" where every set was placed on the

            wheel.  The sets are placed in numerical order and the wheel is spun and must go all the way around each

            spin.  The wheel is not reset each draw so each spin would begin where the last draw ended.  The percents

            are how far the wheel spins from it's beginning point to where it stops.  156% means that the wheel spun

            one full round + 56% of a second round.   I placed a link to download the text file if your interested, I know 

            we view the randomness of the draw a little different but I thought you might enjoy looking at this.  The

            download link for the complete file is at the bottom.

            RL

             

            Set                     Lexi        Per

            ________________________

            18 19 22 27 31  549809  156%
            04 11 18 20 23  229133  135%
            01 06 11 16 29  029356  169%
            09 19 22 24 32  427614  105%
            08 19 28 35 37  400828  125%
            17 20 27 31 32  545292  145%
            05 14 19 21 28  283547  123%
            03 05 09 26 34  148246  107%
            03 15 18 19 27  186607  154%
            13 16 17 21 28  499418  117%
            08 18 20 30 35  398852  124%
            05 07 26 31 38  261227  143%
            01 04 07 11 24  016102  185%
            13 18 25 26 29  503540  108%
            11 12 31 32 36  459847  170%
            01 13 18 26 34  057452  174%
            12 15 18 24 29  482956  140%
            05 06 08 15 37  251808  106%
            04 08 18 34 36  218317  112%
            03 05 06 34 36  146920  102%
            03 07 09 14 26  158432  146%
            09 17 20 25 32  424869  104%
            10 17 24 26 28  449143  110%
            08 13 25 28 31  390469  159%
            01 11 13 20 36  050566  113%
            02 13 16 29 37  123092  148%
            08 18 19 20 31  398542  102%
            09 10 21 27 38  408618  130%
            04 14 26 29 33  238138  134%
            10 11 28 31 36  436331  139%
            04 07 12 18 19  212010  124%
            01 28 31 37 38  073429  154%
            08 12 18 22 27  386818  118%
            12 21 22 32 33  491260  177%
            01 11 13 16 19  050467  190%
            21 25 35 36 38  566181  198%
            01 02 12 18 36  004632  188%
            14 16 23 32 34  513186  136%
            06 08 16 21 23  305016  119%
            03 20 23 34 37  194317  133%
            08 12 13 31 38  385668  162%
            01 05 21 23 39  026503  188%
            15 22 28 29 32  530656  185%
            01 08 25 29 30  041932  108%
            02 05 09 14 17  089102  124%
            04 10 18 35 38  226038  110%
            03 09 11 23 39  167964  100%
            03 09 14 17 20  168810  102%
            03 13 14 19 32  181318  131%
            07 15 17 29 35  362166  121%
            04 15 30 32 35  240390  140%
            01 03 11 27 36  011565  186%
            13 21 31 34 35  506847  107%
            11 17 18 26 35  468750  135%
            05 09 15 24 25  267953  145%
            01 03 07 08 20  009466  119%
            02 12 17 26 36  120689  164%

             

            http://www.box.net/shared/y1ciiimlp5

            LB

            There may be a error in the code I used here as some of them don't add up.  I will have to recheck it when

            I get some time.

            RL

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              LB

              I corrected and replaced the data file for the link above.

              RL

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                RL RANDOMLOGIC..if I read that right just skimming through it..you seem to be more interested in distance traveled to lock in on a set of numbers....well if your conclusion is  the DISTANCE TRAVELED is the most important piece then you are absolutely correct then...

                Now..before you build the wheel if you havent done so already..let me tell you EXACTLY what will happen...the number of DISTANCES ON THE WHEEL will be the target group...RANDOM will AUTOMATICALLY cycle through each group one after another, repeating many that has already showed just like the pic 3 will  do the same thing running 0-9 in any position through the past..

                Its the same principle as buying 10 ping pong balls putting them in a bag and shaking them up and drawing out one at a time..as soon as you pull one out, that is the first number( IN YOUR CASE FIRST DISTANCE, but you cant exclude that number or that distance so you have to put it back  in there and pull again..or in your case...spin the wheel again..then repeat the process..now..over a PERIOD of time all 10 digits 0-9 will show and it will take some time, as will all your DISTANCES TRAVELED WILL SHOW AS WELL, it also will take some time to..

                That is where RANDOM GETS REALLY MEAN...the time period will start bouncing around more and more and more and more and more, that is just the way random works..that is precisely the last 10 % that cant be solved..there is noway we can find the order of that 0-9, not only is it expanding...but your distances traveled on that wheel will start expanding also...and it all has to do with a WHOLE BUNCH OF VARIABLES THAT , some you can see, some you cant, some you will be able to find, some will be hidden pretty good from sight..

                Dont get me wrong...its a sound theory, I just wanted to let you know ahead of time what is going to happen before you get to involved with it...and I will say this also..everyone has to have an idea or a starting point..something to work on and study...not only does it keep our minds VERY SHARP, but while studying, you will see things that are happening..

                I wish you the very best in your studies and Hopefully you will be able to come up with something that will allow you to get even with your state ...!!!1

                "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                  Unless your website is going to be outrageously elaborate from the start, you could get going for easily 1/20th or less of what those guys are wanting to charge.

                  well when I began to tell them I would need to have every state or country that has a pic 3 or a pic 4 in it..then the PERSON would have to click on their STATE or country to purchase pic 3 combos or pic 4 combos ..then they said ..well you will need a website that has like 50 pages...it would have to be encrypted ,, etc etc etc..since I am not a computer expert, I wouldnt know if they were lieing are not..hahaha

                  But as they saying goes..there is more than one way to skin a cat..and I am going to use the other way to skin the cat...hahaha

                  "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                    VD: "call it what you will,  but you work to sell things as "factual",  that aren't remotely factual."

                    Those figures never were meant to be factual because it was data for a Monte Carlo simulation.

                    VD: "there was no discrepancy about the "inability" to handle the english language (on my part) when you made the claim that you knew you could turn $100,000 into $35,000,000."

                    Nobody can be this stupid!

                    Any state lottery could use a pick-3 simulation to estimate how much profit they should expect to make for a year based on average daily wagers. The figure I used, "$100,000" represents an average daily wager for 365 drawings. The simulation would show a house edge of 50% so the house keeps half of the total wagers and their expected profit should be $18,250,000. Their expected payout should be $18,250,000 too. Some states average over $1 million in daily wagers so their expected profit and expected payoffs would be 10 times higher.

                    When I said "PROBABLY AT LEAST 70% of pick-3 wagers are SPs", it was a loose educated guess based on my knowledge of pick-3 players. But since the "70%" was only meant to show how much of the total playoff the SPs players get, if you believe only 1% of pick-3 wagers are SPs that figure could be used too. It's called "fourth grade" math.

                    Why did you lie and say "you made the claim that you knew you could turn $100,000 into $35,000,000"?

                    Without making lies about what me or any of the other members said on this thread, you have no argument.

                    VD: "look,  it's obvious none of you are ever going to step up to the stage short of your whining,  so step aside,  and let lotterybraker and i debate the issue."

                    We all know you're intellectually incompetent, your understanding of basic math is nonexistent, added nothing to this discussion about better ideas to play lottery games, and now you're using your lies to claim a mythical superiority. Are the your lies meant to get some type of bizarre attention?

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                      OFF TOPIC: but perhaps this will explain some of the posts in here. Anyone who has followed this thread from around page 3 will know what I mean. I don't share this jokingly, but rather seriously.

                      (Emphasis my own.)

                      from: delusional dot com

                      Delusional Disorder Definition
                       
                      Delusional disorders are a relatively common mental illness that frequently goes unreported by patients. The severity of the condition is a wide range, with some patients experiencing only mild effects of the delusional disorders and others that are so severe that they extremely limit how a person is able to function in the world. Delusional disorders are split into six specific groupings: erotomanic, jealousy, grandiose, somatic, persecution, and mixed types. All of these subtypes are quite similar in nature, but they are represented in society in different ways. To define delusional thinking, the criteria developed by Karl Jasper in 1917 is commonly used. His definition stated that the specific delusion had to be believed completely and that no argument or proof of its falsity would sway a patient's mind. Also, the delusion must be false in nature or impossible.

                      The persecution type of delusional disorder is the most common variety of the condition. A person with this problem will have a paranoid delusional definition that they are being unjustly pursued or persecuted by a specific force. The paranoid delusional definition does not require that the patient be able to name the source of the persecution and many cases involve only the feeling of being persecuted. However, in other cases, the patient may feel as though they are being followed by governmental organizations or that family members are trying to harm them. The paranoid delusional definition is also involved in the jealousy type of delusions. In this subtype, a patient feels as though his sexual partner is committing sexual acts with another person. In some cases, the patient will assemble false evidence to support the theory and confront the partner. This evidence is often wildly inaccurate and only serves the delusional person's purpose.

                      One example of the somatic subtype delusional disorder is known as delusional parasitosis. In this specific example, a patient feels that they are infected with parasites. They will often claim that they can feel the parasites under the skin. As the delusion can be very strong, the problem will often be referred to a dermatologist or entomologist for study as the person is sure of the problem. The erotomania subtype occurs when a patient is convinced that a person is in love with the patient. Often, this love will be thought to have been communicated through body language, including special looks or signals, or through supernatural abilities, such as telepathy. In most cases, the patient finds that it is someone famous that is trying to communicate with them. The grandiose subtype occurs when a person has true delusions of grandeur, believing that they are somehow more powerful than ordinary people. Mixed delusions are when a person experiences more than one type of delusion at the same time.

                      To define delusional thinking in a specific patient, a local psychiatrist should be consulted to make a thorough examination before diagnosing the problem. The symptoms expressed by a delusional disorder can also be part of a much more serious problem, such as bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. The correct treatment practice of curing delusional disorders will depend on a proper diagnosis of the problem.

                      Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

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                        OFF TOPIC: but perhaps this will explain some of the posts in here. Anyone who has followed this thread from around page 3 will know what I mean. I don't share this jokingly, but rather seriously.

                        (Emphasis my own.)

                        from: delusional dot com

                        Delusional Disorder Definition
                         
                        Delusional disorders are a relatively common mental illness that frequently goes unreported by patients. The severity of the condition is a wide range, with some patients experiencing only mild effects of the delusional disorders and others that are so severe that they extremely limit how a person is able to function in the world. Delusional disorders are split into six specific groupings: erotomanic, jealousy, grandiose, somatic, persecution, and mixed types. All of these subtypes are quite similar in nature, but they are represented in society in different ways. To define delusional thinking, the criteria developed by Karl Jasper in 1917 is commonly used. His definition stated that the specific delusion had to be believed completely and that no argument or proof of its falsity would sway a patient's mind. Also, the delusion must be false in nature or impossible.

                        The persecution type of delusional disorder is the most common variety of the condition. A person with this problem will have a paranoid delusional definition that they are being unjustly pursued or persecuted by a specific force. The paranoid delusional definition does not require that the patient be able to name the source of the persecution and many cases involve only the feeling of being persecuted. However, in other cases, the patient may feel as though they are being followed by governmental organizations or that family members are trying to harm them. The paranoid delusional definition is also involved in the jealousy type of delusions. In this subtype, a patient feels as though his sexual partner is committing sexual acts with another person. In some cases, the patient will assemble false evidence to support the theory and confront the partner. This evidence is often wildly inaccurate and only serves the delusional person's purpose.

                        One example of the somatic subtype delusional disorder is known as delusional parasitosis. In this specific example, a patient feels that they are infected with parasites. They will often claim that they can feel the parasites under the skin. As the delusion can be very strong, the problem will often be referred to a dermatologist or entomologist for study as the person is sure of the problem. The erotomania subtype occurs when a patient is convinced that a person is in love with the patient. Often, this love will be thought to have been communicated through body language, including special looks or signals, or through supernatural abilities, such as telepathy. In most cases, the patient finds that it is someone famous that is trying to communicate with them. The grandiose subtype occurs when a person has true delusions of grandeur, believing that they are somehow more powerful than ordinary people. Mixed delusions are when a person experiences more than one type of delusion at the same time.

                        To define delusional thinking in a specific patient, a local psychiatrist should be consulted to make a thorough examination before diagnosing the problem. The symptoms expressed by a delusional disorder can also be part of a much more serious problem, such as bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. The correct treatment practice of curing delusional disorders will depend on a proper diagnosis of the problem.

                        Nice seeing someone familiar with Jaspers.  Maybe my favorite philosopher throughout the centuries.

                        As for delusions, there are plenty to go around.  We all have our fair share and those of us particip hmm parcipitating hell is that the real word for people gathered up doing the same thing?

                        Anyway those of us who've posted here on this thread have spread our delusions across the surface like butter on toast.  Nobody who paid his money hoping to see delusions is going to complain on his way out that there weren't enough, nor that the ones provided weren't both persistent and dramatic.

                        I believe it completely.  My mind's made up on it. 

                        On the other hand, I'm jealous of you programmers and the fact you're hiding how to win the lotteries from me and sharing it with one another, ganging up on me.  I'd type more but I've got this itch I have to scratch.  Lice, ticks, fleas or something I guess.  No matter how much I spray myself down with DDT I can't get rid of them

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                          VD: "there was no discrepancy about the "inability" to handle the english language (on my part) when you made the claim that you knew you could turn $100,000 into $35,000,000."

                          Nobody can be this stupid! 

                          Are you sure?  THAT might be your first "untruth!" ROFL

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                            Posted: April 27, 2011, 1:24 pm - IP Logged

                            Nice seeing someone familiar with Jaspers.  Maybe my favorite philosopher throughout the centuries.

                            As for delusions, there are plenty to go around.  We all have our fair share and those of us particip hmm parcipitating hell is that the real word for people gathered up doing the same thing?

                            Anyway those of us who've posted here on this thread have spread our delusions across the surface like butter on toast.  Nobody who paid his money hoping to see delusions is going to complain on his way out that there weren't enough, nor that the ones provided weren't both persistent and dramatic.

                            I believe it completely.  My mind's made up on it. 

                            On the other hand, I'm jealous of you programmers and the fact you're hiding how to win the lotteries from me and sharing it with one another, ganging up on me.  I'd type more but I've got this itch I have to scratch.  Lice, ticks, fleas or something I guess.  No matter how much I spray myself down with DDT I can't get rid of them

                            Joe, I'm not referring to delusional in a joking manner. Stack nailed it when he said "and now you're using your lies to claim a mythical superiority".

                            I don't want to harp on this, it was just something that came to mind today. And I could be wrong about my assertion as well. However, I don't know which is worse about this: being right, or being wrong.

                            Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

                              garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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                              Posted: April 27, 2011, 1:34 pm - IP Logged

                              Nice seeing someone familiar with Jaspers.  Maybe my favorite philosopher throughout the centuries.

                              As for delusions, there are plenty to go around.  We all have our fair share and those of us particip hmm parcipitating hell is that the real word for people gathered up doing the same thing?

                              Anyway those of us who've posted here on this thread have spread our delusions across the surface like butter on toast.  Nobody who paid his money hoping to see delusions is going to complain on his way out that there weren't enough, nor that the ones provided weren't both persistent and dramatic.

                              I believe it completely.  My mind's made up on it. 

                              On the other hand, I'm jealous of you programmers and the fact you're hiding how to win the lotteries from me and sharing it with one another, ganging up on me.  I'd type more but I've got this itch I have to scratch.  Lice, ticks, fleas or something I guess.  No matter how much I spray myself down with DDT I can't get rid of them

                              Josephus,

                              I see a new thread coming, "How many computer programmers play the lottery?" Or "How many mathematicians can program and play the lottery?"

                              Delusions? I've had a few. I'm quite abnormal for a normal person. But there are a couple in this thread that beat me hands down. At least one played lottery numbers he saw in a piece of toast as a QP. Probably tried to cash the toast too. 

                              My neighbors scare me. They are stealing all the stuff I toss in the trash. I keep a window open keep an eye on what they are doing. Sometimes they have company and I know they are plotting a takeover of the neighborhood. It's sixth sense.

                                 
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