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# What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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mid-Ohio
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The odds of betting \$20 on a straight pick-4 number and winning \$100,000 are 9999 to 1. The odds of winning a \$100,000 plus jackpot for the same \$20 on a 5/39 pick-5 game are 28,788 to 1.

Joker does have a point.

True but to get those odds, you betting for a prize of \$100,000 or nothing at all while a 5/39 game top prize may be greater than \$100,000 or you could also win one of the smaller prizes.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Dividing the 5/39 odds by 20 to arrive at 28788 to one just doesn't work (or dividing by any other number.)

IF IT DID, with the over 100,000 members on this board we could all pitch in \$1 every Pick 5 drawing and split every jackpot available. Why stop at \$20? Just keep sending it in until you have an even money bet.

IT DOESN'T WORK. If it did no "house" would be bookinng the action.

No matter how many lines of numbers you play each onr line is up against the 575757:1 odds. Only one winning combination is drawn. Each combination played is either that combination or not, usually not.

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True but to get those odds, you betting for a prize of \$100,000 or nothing at all while a 5/39 game top prize may be greater than \$100,000 or you could also win one of the smaller prizes.

A \$20 5/39 ticket should get back at least \$2 and if somebody said \$10 or \$11, I wouldn't argue. I never bet \$20 on a pick-4 number straight; have any hot numbers?

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Dividing the 5/39 odds by 20 to arrive at 28788 to one just doesn't work (or dividing by any other number.)

IF IT DID, with the over 100,000 members on this board we could all pitch in \$1 every Pick 5 drawing and split every jackpot available. Why stop at \$20? Just keep sending it in until you have an even money bet.

IT DOESN'T WORK. If it did no "house" would be bookinng the action.

No matter how many lines of numbers you play each onr line is up against the 575757:1 odds. Only one winning combination is drawn. Each combination played is either that combination or not, usually not.

We could look at the percentage of possible combos each method has if that helps. The pick-4 bet has 0.01% and the pick-5 bet has 0.00347%. Odds are usually expressed as chances to lose (575737) to chances to win (20). It's no different than on a crap table when "Five" is the point and there are 6 ways to roll a "Seven" and 4 ways to roll a "Five"; rounded off to 3 to 2 odds.

100,000 tickets have a 21% chance and the house would gladly take that bet on a \$100,000 jackpot. The rolling jackpots are from the slice already taken out when previous drawings weren't hit. A \$400,000 jackpot would net the 100,000 players \$300,000 before taxes and no difference to the house if a \$1 player won it.

The 100,000 tickets would need to hit a jackpot over \$800,000 by themselves to get the 5.75 to 1 odds they gave up after taxes. The biggest fear of the Aussie syndicate in the Virginia Lotto was multiple winners.

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If I understand your logic, you're saying it make no sense to buy a Fantasy Five ticket which has 1:376000  odds of winning \$100,000+ when you can buy a pick3 ticket which has 1:1000 odds of winning \$600.  That logic probably makes more sense to you then it ever will to me because losing money trying to win \$600 doesn't make as much sense to me as losing the same amount trying to win millions of dollars.  I guess that's why state offer different games with different size prizes and odds, something for everybody.

Well, the premise of this thread is dealing with what defines a system, and If I had a system that hit the p-3 regularly where I could make a living off of it, or having a chance of hitting a JP, which is surely out of my reach because of the sheer amount of possible combos, I'd choose making the efffort at something that I can master that is easier, than trying to beat something that 99.9% of folks will never beat like the JP games.

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Well, the premise of this thread is dealing with what defines a system, and If I had a system that hit the p-3 regularly where I could make a living off of it, or having a chance of hitting a JP, which is surely out of my reach because of the sheer amount of possible combos, I'd choose making the efffort at something that I can master that is easier, than trying to beat something that 99.9% of folks will never beat like the JP games.

"I'd choose making the efffort at something that I can master that is easier, than trying to beat something that 99.9% of folks will never beat like the JP games."

Excellent point and I would agree. I'd love to be playing the 3's and 4's because of the odds but Colorado does not have any as of yet, all we have are the jackpot games. My goal would be to make enough money at 3 and 4 to fund the larger 5 and 6 # JP games, if that's possible.

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Well, the premise of this thread is dealing with what defines a system, and If I had a system that hit the p-3 regularly where I could make a living off of it, or having a chance of hitting a JP, which is surely out of my reach because of the sheer amount of possible combos, I'd choose making the efffort at something that I can master that is easier, than trying to beat something that 99.9% of folks will never beat like the JP games.

If I had a system that hit the p-3 regularly where I could make a living off of it

As far as I know no such systems exist and neither do any of those time machines that some other players said they would use to back in time to play the winning numbers after viewing the drawings.  If they did I would have a different strategy for playing too.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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If I had a system that hit the p-3 regularly where I could make a living off of it

As far as I know no such systems exist and neither do any of those time machines that some other players said they would use to back in time to play the winning numbers after viewing the drawings.  If they did I would have a different strategy for playing too.

You make a good point because I haven't found one either, but If I gave you the option of a game to beat that either had 10,000 to 1 odds, or 50 to 1, which one would you choose to beat?

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"I'd choose making the efffort at something that I can master that is easier, than trying to beat something that 99.9% of folks will never beat like the JP games."

Excellent point and I would agree. I'd love to be playing the 3's and 4's because of the odds but Colorado does not have any as of yet, all we have are the jackpot games. My goal would be to make enough money at 3 and 4 to fund the larger 5 and 6 # JP games, if that's possible.

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You make a good point because I haven't found one either, but If I gave you the option of a game to beat that either had 10,000 to 1 odds, or 50 to 1, which one would you choose to beat?

Depends on the prize, if the 10,000 to 1 odds were for \$10,000 and the 50 to 1 odds were for \$50, I would take the 10,000 to 1 odds if both cost a dollar.  Adding \$49 to the dollar I have is not going make much difference in my life but adding \$9,999 to it would.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Depends on the prize, if the 10,000 to 1 odds were for \$10,000 and the 50 to 1 odds were for \$50, I would take the 10,000 to 1 odds if both cost a dollar.  Adding \$49 to the dollar I have is not going make much difference in my life but adding \$9,999 to it would.

Of course i would also want to win the 10,000 bucks but it would be much harder to beat than the measley 50 to 1. Wouldn't you want to beat 50 to 1 even If it wasn't the 50 to 1 payoff, say 25 bucks for a dollar bet on a regular basis. Because deep down, once you find a way to beat it on a regular basis, then you only have to repeat the process. Unlike trying to beat the JP, you have to have a miracle....

Maybe you're right Rjoh. Maybe trying to hit the p-3 on a regular basis is close to trying to beat a JP just once...lol

I can see the math in my head...Hee hee..

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Of course i would also want to win the 10,000 bucks but it would be much harder to beat than the measley 50 to 1. Wouldn't you want to beat 50 to 1 even If it wasn't the 50 to 1 payoff, say 25 bucks for a dollar bet on a regular basis. Because deep down, once you find a way to beat it on a regular basis, then you only have to repeat the process. Unlike trying to beat the JP, you have to have a miracle....

Maybe you're right Rjoh. Maybe trying to hit the p-3 on a regular basis is close to trying to beat a JP just once...lol

I can see the math in my head...Hee hee..

"Maybe you're right Rjoh. Maybe trying to hit the p-3 on a regular basis is close to trying to beat a JP just once...lol

I can see the math in my head...Hee hee.."

Don't lose that image; you've figured it out!

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How tall are you visiondude and how much do you weigh?

i enumerated the many "excuses' you guys manufactured about me,  when you didn't want to address the different highlights i made about the suspicious claims that systems extract superior results over QP's,  but this is a new one even for me.

i will let your irrelevant excuses run wild,  but "tall enough" in the integrity dept to maintain not having to resort to the tactics you guys resort to,  and i carry my "weight" judiciously,  when i need to.

can you come up with anything else?    ....................because that was actually entertaining

"i am .........."meant to"

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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Has anyone tried 3 5 gallon buckets with Ping Pong Balls #0-9 cover with cloth

with a slit in the cloth to reach you hand in, before each drawing shake up the

buckets pull out a ball and play that combination.

It could be expanded to cove Powerball, etc...

Luck be with you!!!

NOTE: All numbers posted are BOXED and unless otherwise noted.

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Has anyone tried 3 5 gallon buckets with Ping Pong Balls #0-9 cover with cloth

with a slit in the cloth to reach you hand in, before each drawing shake up the

buckets pull out a ball and play that combination.

It could be expanded to cove Powerball, etc...

Now there's a system I can relate to!

I like that one real good.

I ain't got any buckets though.

Have to use croker sacks.

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