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# What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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CT
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"How about a zero came in a double is due next"

Statements like that have meaning if you been tracking the a double following a zero and it hasn't happen in a long time.

Then a statement like that is valid, but to state that everytime a 0 comes in is not valid.

And thats how you can gain an edge.

Luck be with you!!!

NOTE: All numbers posted are BOXED and unless otherwise noted.

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"Their is something telling me, you are hoping someone will post a system, that really does work, so you can use it."

You make a good point with this. Lets take a hypothetical situation:

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I win Hoosier Lotto with numbers generated by my system.

VisionDude: Well that was only 1 time. We don't really know if that was the system or just plain luck.

I win Hoosier Lotto a second time. And despite being a jackpot game with odds of 1 in 12,271,512...

VisionDude: That was only 2 times. We don't know if it was the system or just extreme luck.

I win the Hoosier Lotto a third time. Wild idea, but...

VisionDude: Well if your system REALLY works, then ANYBODY should be able to use it. WHY don't you post it so others can verify it works.

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This is despite the fact that not all systems use fixed variables. Some do indeed rely on the player's discretion to a certain extent. To VisionDude, 1, 2, or 3 wins just ain't enough, even if it's 1, 2, or 3 jackpot wins.

By my second jackpot, I'd be well past caring if someone I was never going to meet believed it was skill vs luck.

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By my second jackpot, I'd be well past caring if someone I was never going to meet believed it was skill vs luck.

That's exactly what I'm saying. If you have a system that works, and YOU know that it works, then you're not going to care whether anyone believes you or not. You're the one raking in the dough. Not them.

Gonna win.

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"if you have a system that works"......but trouble is......

you can't even crack the pick 3,  to turn it into an "i am raking in the dough" bragging rights.

we don't even need to discuss the "jackpots" 1,2 and 3 propositions when it comes to the reality check in here.

i just think it's an interesting study in watching you guys high five yourselves over thin air "accomplishments".

it was a true statement when you said "who cares if some anonymous person believes me or not when i hit a jackpot"

you should have pumped the brakes at that intersection.

"i am .........."meant to"

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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I don't even care if QP's are better than SP's. I would be happy to win either way.

In reading all these posts, there is ONE thing that has stood out to me.

VD, all you talk about is "I" this, and "I" that, "my integrity" this "my integrity" that. Good lord man, you have an ego the size of the sun. When someone yaps on and on about how great he or she is, well, that's usually an indication of the exact opposite.

Fact is, you and jimboo say ya'll are trying to save everyone on LP from whoever aren't really saving anyone, because most people can see right through your nonsense.

nope,  you can check my integrity meter (whether i do or don't) anytime you want,  because all my posts are archived.

i have to underline that i am the only one exhibiting integrity in threads like these when all i ever start out with are "what about this" offerings,  and i get attacked because the "can'ts" don't like an opposing view.

i wouldn't have to underline the integrity factor if these guys didn't cross integrity lines,  and i don't know how you add up the real addition in life,  but if you don't start from a base of integrity,  you have squat.

you know what's even more interesting RCb?    you are silent about the fact that these guys are lying about my character without conscience.   why is that?

i don't have an ego,  but what i do have is the kind of confidence that allows me to see things all the way thru.

would you rather i allow them to bully me into a submissive state, whereby they silence my view?

that's not going to happen,  and that's what you are misinterpreting about me.

i just read this yesterday,  and now i know why.  the timing of which is el perfecto...

"It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit"

translated.....it's ok to lie about another persons character,  but not ok to hold up the banner of integrity fairness.

i get it now...

"i am .........."meant to"

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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VD: "the truth remains.....you made the statement about the \$100,000 for sure bagging \$35,000,000 .....and you are running in the other direction of the loan officer"

Nobody can be this stupid.

On another thread I posted: "I've asked Buzz several time without an answer; if nobody can make a profit playing pick-3, who gets the \$18,250,000 payoff that his figures prove on a 50% lottery edge when there is an average daily bet of \$100,000 every year?"

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that someone as lottery illiterate as VD doesn't know that probably every state lottery averages over \$37 million a year on pick-3 ticket sales and I was talking about a simulated pick-3 game. I rounded it off to \$36,500,000 to make the math easier; \$36.5 million divided by 365 does equal a total average daily wager of \$100,000. Some state in their annual reports give the exact figure of payoffs in dollars while others show the percentage of total ticket sales, but either way, the percentage is pretty close to the 50% edge everybody but VD knew before the first dollar was ever bet.

On Jimmy's bio he lists PA as the state in which he lives. In the fiscal year 2010, the PA lottery had ticket sales of \$387,751,383 on its pick-3 game or an average daily wager of \$1,062,332. With a 50% edge, PA paid out \$193,875,691.50 on winning tickets for that fiscal year and an average daily payout of \$531,166. Jimmy has said many times it's impossible for any system to beat chance and I simply wanted to know if that was true, who gets \$194 million his state paid out to pick-3 winners.

I've never seen any pick-3 ratio of SPs to QPs purchases, but they are probably at least 70% to 30% in favor of SPs. With \$136 million being divided among system players, it's obvious many of them are making a nice profit.

VD: "i made the integrity observation that even you wouldn't put your money on black........on the implied "sure thing".   (\$100,000 for a guaranteed \$35,000,000)"

LP life would be much simpler if only VD would learn how to understand the English language. Somehow after reading what I posted to Jimmy, VD jumped to the illogical conclusion I said I have a system. Jumping to illogical conclusions, changing the meaning of what other posters said and going off on a tangent is nothing new for VD.

When several members said they got terrible results by playing QPs and decided to use other methods playing SPs because the math proves they can do no worse, VD concludes that means they are really saying "SPs will beat the pants off of QPs". He then goes off on further tangents suggesting it means they have a jackpot winning system and they must prove it to him. Short of jackpot winning proof, VD demands a contest of his RNG picks against their SPs.

When members say they have no intentions of purchasing QPs, the random numbers will never be generated by the lottery terminal, the tickets will never be printed and they have nothing to compare with the SPs they said can do no worse. And if there is to be a contest it must be purchased SPs against purchased QPs. But that doesn't stop VD because he pretends his illogical conclusion is now a fact; the member really said "SPs will beat the pants off of QPs and RNG picks". When members tell him where he can shove his silly contest he claims superior integrity base on his lie about what the member originally said.

If VD did comment on a distinction between lottery systems and other methods, I missed it. At best we can only hope posters will at least try to stay on topic in the majority of their posts and interesting topics like this one won't be littered with posters that can't or won't stay on topic. VD wants to hijack topics so he promote his personal agenda.

I've never seen any pick-3 ratio of SPs to QPs purchases, but they are probably at least 70% to 30% in favor of SPs.

this is why the stacks of the world are so dangerous when it comes to the false hope arena's of life.

he has never seen the stats.....but makes up his own,  and attempts to pass it off as "truth".

wishing something were "true" is somewhat accepatable.

purposefully lying about it,  and calling it "true" is never acceptable.

"Somehow after reading what I posted to Jimmy, VD jumped to the illogical conclusion I said I have a system"

never said or attempted to imply anything about a "system" you had.

all i did was use your own words in describing a scenario that you sold as being a "factual" slam dunk of turning \$100,000 into \$35,000,000  and i used it to demonstrate your hot air ballon lays limp in the field.

anyone that claims it's a slam dunk,  and doesn't do it......is a phony.

i start by dealing only in non confrontive reality.   i only switch into 3rd gear (harsh reality) when the other guy demands that i do

"And if there is to be a contest it must be purchased SPs against purchased QPs"

you are the one that started this lie,  that the QP's "had to be purchased".

to date,   that's the worse pathetic excuse anyone has ever dreamed up on the fly,  so they don't have to.

truth is,  you could have a child that doesn't even know how to add and subtract  bring valid QP's to the mano a mano.

this lie is your most embarrassing "reason" why you "can't".

i even told you,  if you don't trust me, you can still do it independant of me.

"purchased" = a pathetic lie

"i am .........."meant to"

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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OK, VD, you are at bat. Is he using a system? http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/229601/2033718

carbob,  are you publically asking me to throw the microscope onto what lotterybreaker attempts?

to pick apart his / her "methodology",  in order to really get a good clean unbiased view as to whether or not it works?

be glad to,  but since i don't go hunting for sport (like stack lied that i do),  you or lotterybreaker has to give the go ahead.

remember,  i have the reality "tools" to slice it wide open,  and whatever is left standing on the stage of reality,  is what's there.

well?

"i am .........."meant to"

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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Everyone and I do mean everyone has to have a starting point at some point in time in the past when they first started working on their system, or the system that they chose to try and use...maybe even several different systems trying to find one that will work...I was just like all of you..I started keeping up with the numbers on Florida when Florida first started its Lottery and I hit 5 out of 6 on the Jckpot and it paid 3300.00 hundred that week..

Yeah..I was sick to miss 10 million dollars by ONE STINKING NUMBER, but it was a start..then I thought..heh..these are numbers..maybe their is some math involved so just like many of you have done, I began to look in Math books trying to find a FORMULA of some kind that would help me out even more..this turned out to be a disaster for me..didnt take me long to remember those algebra problems

a2 + b2+ = c2

A=LXW

then it hit me..there is no way to balance the other side of the equation using Math because random bounces around so there is nothing that will  solve

R= WHAT?

AND THAT REVELATION right there took me off into a different direction and down a different path than most, and shortly after that is when I discovered my code I use...I use to time travel through the past to give me the future and it works wonderfully..will it ever allow me to go draw to draw..no..the last 10% of RANDOM CANT BE SOLVED because every field I design will expand and there is noway on this earth I can solve the NATURAL ORDER OF ARRANGEMENT of that 0-9..that is the last and final piece to completely solving random..the entire lock stock and barrel..so I have to settle for partial solving right now...

Sometimes I will devote more research time on that last 10% but I know I will never find it...it is far to complicated

A QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU..how many different variables do you think there are JUST IN PIC 3...belive me when I say PLENTY OF THEM and it is the smallest game there is..now..I know for  FACT.. random has to cycle through each and every one of those and RANDOM WILL NOT RUN ONE AFTER ANOTHER TO HELP US OUT..oh hel no..those variables willl bounce around just like that 0-9 , as if it was a frog on crack...

Lets say for EXAMPLE that you use these 2 variables...a 2 digit return one odd, one even and second, out of the 0-9  sequence 8 is missing..they both have to show but with all the tampering going on that messes up time...pushes things further out into the future so what do you do...keep playing them until they show..now GREED COMES IN..you try to find what is missing with those variables and since EVERY STATE JUST ABOUT IT  will not give up those pretest draws..you have no idea if what you chose to run with those showed or not...the entire lottery games is set up for the STATES BENFIT because of the  population of the state that are playing the lottery...they dont want to pay out BIG BUCKS ON ANYTHING...and the only time that does happen is when a tripple shows..

Now, I do not work with single digits, or single pairs, and dont get me wrong they are helpful, but I wanted to design my system where the entire combo would come into play so I would not have to guess at any x.for example 01x thats 10 combos right there..and I have spent the past 20 years trying to shrink or compress the field to deal  away with that x

its no longer a passion...its more of an obsession than anything...!!!!1

Good Luck to all of you...I sure hope one of my STRAIGHT PIC 4'S WILL SHOW UP...SOON WOULD BE NICE...HAHAHAHAHA

"Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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Everyone and I do mean everyone has to have a starting point at some point in time in the past when they first started working on their system, or the system that they chose to try and use...maybe even several different systems trying to find one that will work...I was just like all of you..I started keeping up with the numbers on Florida when Florida first started its Lottery and I hit 5 out of 6 on the Jckpot and it paid 3300.00 hundred that week..

Yeah..I was sick to miss 10 million dollars by ONE STINKING NUMBER, but it was a start..then I thought..heh..these are numbers..maybe their is some math involved so just like many of you have done, I began to look in Math books trying to find a FORMULA of some kind that would help me out even more..this turned out to be a disaster for me..didnt take me long to remember those algebra problems

a2 + b2+ = c2

A=LXW

then it hit me..there is no way to balance the other side of the equation using Math because random bounces around so there is nothing that will  solve

R= WHAT?

AND THAT REVELATION right there took me off into a different direction and down a different path than most, and shortly after that is when I discovered my code I use...I use to time travel through the past to give me the future and it works wonderfully..will it ever allow me to go draw to draw..no..the last 10% of RANDOM CANT BE SOLVED because every field I design will expand and there is noway on this earth I can solve the NATURAL ORDER OF ARRANGEMENT of that 0-9..that is the last and final piece to completely solving random..the entire lock stock and barrel..so I have to settle for partial solving right now...

Sometimes I will devote more research time on that last 10% but I know I will never find it...it is far to complicated

A QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU..how many different variables do you think there are JUST IN PIC 3...belive me when I say PLENTY OF THEM and it is the smallest game there is..now..I know for  FACT.. random has to cycle through each and every one of those and RANDOM WILL NOT RUN ONE AFTER ANOTHER TO HELP US OUT..oh hel no..those variables willl bounce around just like that 0-9 , as if it was a frog on crack...

Lets say for EXAMPLE that you use these 2 variables...a 2 digit return one odd, one even and second, out of the 0-9  sequence 8 is missing..they both have to show but with all the tampering going on that messes up time...pushes things further out into the future so what do you do...keep playing them until they show..now GREED COMES IN..you try to find what is missing with those variables and since EVERY STATE JUST ABOUT IT  will not give up those pretest draws..you have no idea if what you chose to run with those showed or not...the entire lottery games is set up for the STATES BENFIT because of the  population of the state that are playing the lottery...they dont want to pay out BIG BUCKS ON ANYTHING...and the only time that does happen is when a tripple shows..

Now, I do not work with single digits, or single pairs, and dont get me wrong they are helpful, but I wanted to design my system where the entire combo would come into play so I would not have to guess at any x.for example 01x thats 10 combos right there..and I have spent the past 20 years trying to shrink or compress the field to deal  away with that x

its no longer a passion...its more of an obsession than anything...!!!!1

Good Luck to all of you...I sure hope one of my STRAIGHT PIC 4'S WILL SHOW UP...SOON WOULD BE NICE...HAHAHAHAHA

Morning Lotterybraker:  Obsession's something I can understand.

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carbob,  are you publically asking me to throw the microscope onto what lotterybreaker attempts?

to pick apart his / her "methodology",  in order to really get a good clean unbiased view as to whether or not it works?

be glad to,  but since i don't go hunting for sport (like stack lied that i do),  you or lotterybreaker has to give the go ahead.

remember,  i have the reality "tools" to slice it wide open,  and whatever is left standing on the stage of reality,  is what's there.

well?

well Vision dude...you have my go ahead,,,but unless you have an above average understanding on how random works you will not have any shot at solving this...but I will give you a headstart...you will have to pull up Floridas history for the past several years and hunt and find, thenn you will need  my code to apply to those past years..but feel free to experiment and good luck...who knows...maybe you will find something that EVEN I HAVE MISSED and will be even more helpful..good luck on your critique of this...and no hard feelings whatsoever...if you find something of importance feel free to share..because we are all here to learn and better ourselves...but I will tell you this...I willl never release my code to the public whatsoever...I want to COMPLETELY SOLVE IT, but at the same time, I have no intention of DESTROYING THE PIC 3 GAME

I have said it once and I will say it again,,,if I released that code..all pic 3's in the world would be in grave danger because they are the smallest games to attack and players could use it to go to different stores and collect money and remain annoymous...!!!!!1

"Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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What distinguishes a lottery system from dreams, guesses, and QP's?

So far, after 25 draws, 995 tickets played (Cash 5, 5/32):

System pix:                Random pix:

\$995/\$711 won         \$995/\$326 won

Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks.

CT
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How come after 51 pages of dribble, there is no defintion of what a lottery system should do to be deem successful?

Luck be with you!!!

NOTE: All numbers posted are BOXED and unless otherwise noted.

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How come after 51 pages of dribble, there is no defintion of what a lottery system should do to be deem successful?

Domeman:  It only seems to be dribble because you didn't read the question carefully.  Successful was never part of the question for this thread.

If you want 'successful' start another thread.

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well Vision dude...you have my go ahead,,,but unless you have an above average understanding on how random works you will not have any shot at solving this...but I will give you a headstart...you will have to pull up Floridas history for the past several years and hunt and find, thenn you will need  my code to apply to those past years..but feel free to experiment and good luck...who knows...maybe you will find something that EVEN I HAVE MISSED and will be even more helpful..good luck on your critique of this...and no hard feelings whatsoever...if you find something of importance feel free to share..because we are all here to learn and better ourselves...but I will tell you this...I willl never release my code to the public whatsoever...I want to COMPLETELY SOLVE IT, but at the same time, I have no intention of DESTROYING THE PIC 3 GAME

I have said it once and I will say it again,,,if I released that code..all pic 3's in the world would be in grave danger because they are the smallest games to attack and players could use it to go to different stores and collect money and remain annoymous...!!!!!1

"...maybe you will find something that EVEN I HAVE MISSED ..."

That seems an extreme position.

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What distinguishes a lottery system from dreams, guesses, and QP's?

So far, after 25 draws, 995 tickets played (Cash 5, 5/32):

System pix:                Random pix:

\$995/\$711 won         \$995/\$326 won

Doing good so far!!!

A few hundred more draws and you might actually get VDs attention!?

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