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What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

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Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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Posted: April 15, 2011, 8:54 pm - IP Logged

Gary

Is fish on the menu tonight or do you have to pick something at random.

RL

I just had fish for dinner.

Gonna win.Big Smile

    visiondude's avatar - eye3logo
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    There's no way for anyone to tell whether or not you're doing what the agreed upon terms say. I think the challenge is unnecessary.

    so what you are insinuating is that i could "lie",  or fudge my attempt somehow. 

    i realize you guys don't like me, and the opposition against the claims of system play,  but resorting to calling into question a persons character just because "you don't want to" ,  and blaming it on me,  well that's a new low.

    if anything,  i have been entirely consistent for 9 years without having to lie once in order to keep my position on the radar screen.

    not one time have i ever flip flopped on anything,  and i have a 100% track record of doing what i said i would,  so really what you guys ARE afraid of.....is that i will do it,  and that's why you guys keep running the other direction.

    let me just save "you guys" the continued embarrassment of me having to constantly underline your rediculous excuses...

    ....there will never come a time where any one of you can manufacture enough of an excuse to excuse you out of a heads up challenge. 

     i will always have the ability to pull you back into what's true / integrity land

    you guys are the ones making the claims,  not me,  so it's up to you guys to back it up.....when you make them...

    to illustrate my point,  with your latest excuse....TODD could post the QP's on my behalf from the LP RNG,  or some other arrangement can be agreed upon so you guys can't whine / lie about me.....that i might "lie" about what i bring forth.

    this constant machine of excuses is an emabarassment to what you guys claim is "true",  backing right out of it just before the curtain rises.

    the solid ongoing truth......is that the only observable "consistentcy" that you guys CAN claim,  is your ability to excuse yourselves out of truths intersection.

    you have more in the tank integrity-wise than most here in this thread guru,  and you know you can facillitate an equitable challenge based in integrity.

    "it's a lesson in humanity,  watching people of integrity,  lose their integrity,  over something as foolish as wishful thinking"

    3rd visiondude 3:7

     guys like you LIVE for the challenge,  that's exactly why you pursue the lottery because of the foreboding challenge it creates.  so guys like you would normally do 900's on a skate ramp to get the chance at something like this.

    truth is,  the only reason you find it "unnecessary",  is because you know in your heart what i could do to your wishful thinking.

    that's why you (or anyone else)  claims its "unnecessary"

                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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      so what you are insinuating is that i could "lie",  or fudge my attempt somehow. 

      i realize you guys don't like me, and the opposition against the claims of system play,  but resorting to calling into question a persons character just because "you don't want to" ,  and blaming it on me,  well that's a new low.

      if anything,  i have been entirely consistent for 9 years without having to lie once in order to keep my position on the radar screen.

      not one time have i ever flip flopped on anything,  and i have a 100% track record of doing what i said i would,  so really what you guys ARE afraid of.....is that i will do it,  and that's why you guys keep running the other direction.

      let me just save "you guys" the continued embarrassment of me having to constantly underline your rediculous excuses...

      ....there will never come a time where any one of you can manufacture enough of an excuse to excuse you out of a heads up challenge. 

       i will always have the ability to pull you back into what's true / integrity land

      you guys are the ones making the claims,  not me,  so it's up to you guys to back it up.....when you make them...

      to illustrate my point,  with your latest excuse....TODD could post the QP's on my behalf from the LP RNG,  or some other arrangement can be agreed upon so you guys can't whine / lie about me.....that i might "lie" about what i bring forth.

      this constant machine of excuses is an emabarassment to what you guys claim is "true",  backing right out of it just before the curtain rises.

      the solid ongoing truth......is that the only observable "consistentcy" that you guys CAN claim,  is your ability to excuse yourselves out of truths intersection.

      you have more in the tank integrity-wise than most here in this thread guru,  and you know you can facillitate an equitable challenge based in integrity.

      "it's a lesson in humanity,  watching people of integrity,  lose their integrity,  over something as foolish as wishful thinking"

      3rd visiondude 3:7

       guys like you LIVE for the challenge,  that's exactly why you pursue the lottery because of the foreboding challenge it creates.  so guys like you would normally do 900's on a skate ramp to get the chance at something like this.

      truth is,  the only reason you find it "unnecessary",  is because you know in your heart what i could do to your wishful thinking.

      that's why you (or anyone else)  claims its "unnecessary"

      "....TODD could post the QP's on my behalf from the LP RNG"

      If Todd is busy, you should ask the Pope or Oprah. I'm sure you'll randomly find someone who will run your RNG showing you proved the same nothing you proved in the VD versus RJ and the VD versus Patrick contests.

      Good luck!

        visiondude's avatar - eye3logo
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        "what ARE you guys so afraid of?" 

        Really? Afraid? You think that is the only reason why someone wouldn't want to accept an internet challenge from a stranger is because they are afraid?

        I mean, seriously, who are you that someone even has to consider taking a challenge? Common sense tells me that not everyone wants to get involved with some stranger beyond a conversation. They may not have the time, energy, or desire to post and follow numbers beyond what they are doing already on their own. It probably has nothing to do with 'being afraid'. 

        All this time, all you had to do is just post your random picks in the predictions page for everyone to see and show everyone that your random picks can do just as well if not better than everyone else.

        Or is the reason you don't do it is because 'you're afraid'? As you said, 'it's just random picks'. What ARE you so afraid of?

        Just because you demand a challenge doens't mean that if someone doesn't take you up on it, it's because 'they're afraid'.

        It could be that they simply just don't like you.

        yep.   truth is,  you guys are afraid.   

        and now, especially because i am anonymous (now that you insinuate some other new angle of excuse).

        it's pretty simple,  but i will state it again......i don't run around the halls looking for a challenge,  or "challenging" people for sport.

        what i do is counter information and claims,  and generally what happens is some one gets ticked when i question their skills,  just like you did above.

        you guys make the claims......i don't.

        when some one gets a little arrogant,  just because they don't like having their positioned examined under a reality microscope,  out come their fangs. 

        so because that's not gonna fly,  i go into "prove it mode"

        not everyone.  just the ones that talk trash, the ones that cross the line from a "maybe" proposition,  into "it's true" land.

        that's when i break out my highlighter. 

        its a discussion board, with varying opinions / views,  so for some reason you think people are supposed to always sing kumbyah with you on your lottery position.

        ahhh nope.

        one of the worst moments in this thread among the "it's true crowd",  is the schicken factor got so high,  desperation set in,  and selfishness took over the reins as you guys wanted me to go throw a huge wrench in the peaceful predictions page.

        since all "you guys" refused to step up,  you didn't mind HOW MUCH havoc that would have caused,  so long as you didn't have to do it.

        me "schicken"?    that's a laugh.   vision ain't afraid of nuttin.

        since you are,  tell you what,  i will demonstrate how a man in a position of strength operates. 

        you go over to the predictions page and get permission ,  in a majority vote,  and i will be glad to do what i say i will do

        you know.....so someone else can do it

        "It could be that they simply just don't like you".

         trust me,  i came to terms 8 1/2 years ago i will never nail down "most popular poster at LP".

        which is EXACTLY another highlight that you guys "can't".     

        because if anyone could have,  they would have done it by now  -------->  because they don't like me.

        take you for instance.  your irritated enough at me that if you could, you would.

        "afraid" is right on the money.

        it's simple,  make claims,   but don't get arrogant about it,  otherwise the microscope gets to show what it was designed for.

                    "i am .........."meant to"       

        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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          "....TODD could post the QP's on my behalf from the LP RNG"

          If Todd is busy, you should ask the Pope or Oprah. I'm sure you'll randomly find someone who will run your RNG showing you proved the same nothing you proved in the VD versus RJ and the VD versus Patrick contests.

          Good luck!

          i know.......anyone but you.          because your the king (or queen) of excuses.

          that's one heck of a resume,  stack

          all talk, no stack

          maybe you can expound upon what those small "demonstrations" yielded?

          pure randomness where neither QP's or systems prevailed.

          just exactly what i have always said......neither can produce "better" results.

          maybe your insinuating those little demonstrations weren't long enough to prove anything.

          remember,  you are the one that won't go the distance it takes TO definitively show what's what.

          i will

                      "i am .........."meant to"       

          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday

            garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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            yep.   truth is,  you guys are afraid.   

            and now, especially because i am anonymous (now that you insinuate some other new angle of excuse).

            it's pretty simple,  but i will state it again......i don't run around the halls looking for a challenge,  or "challenging" people for sport.

            what i do is counter information and claims,  and generally what happens is some one gets ticked when i question their skills,  just like you did above.

            you guys make the claims......i don't.

            when some one gets a little arrogant,  just because they don't like having their positioned examined under a reality microscope,  out come their fangs. 

            so because that's not gonna fly,  i go into "prove it mode"

            not everyone.  just the ones that talk trash, the ones that cross the line from a "maybe" proposition,  into "it's true" land.

            that's when i break out my highlighter. 

            its a discussion board, with varying opinions / views,  so for some reason you think people are supposed to always sing kumbyah with you on your lottery position.

            ahhh nope.

            one of the worst moments in this thread among the "it's true crowd",  is the schicken factor got so high,  desperation set in,  and selfishness took over the reins as you guys wanted me to go throw a huge wrench in the peaceful predictions page.

            since all "you guys" refused to step up,  you didn't mind HOW MUCH havoc that would have caused,  so long as you didn't have to do it.

            me "schicken"?    that's a laugh.   vision ain't afraid of nuttin.

            since you are,  tell you what,  i will demonstrate how a man in a position of strength operates. 

            you go over to the predictions page and get permission ,  in a majority vote,  and i will be glad to do what i say i will do

            you know.....so someone else can do it

            "It could be that they simply just don't like you".

             trust me,  i came to terms 8 1/2 years ago i will never nail down "most popular poster at LP".

            which is EXACTLY another highlight that you guys "can't".     

            because if anyone could have,  they would have done it by now  -------->  because they don't like me.

            take you for instance.  your irritated enough at me that if you could, you would.

            "afraid" is right on the money.

            it's simple,  make claims,   but don't get arrogant about it,  otherwise the microscope gets to show what it was designed for.

            I can't believe this is still going.

            Nag, nag, nag, whine, whine, whine, complain, complain, complain and now berate?

            Wonder if it was the bully on the schoolyard playground?

            Going the distance = posting Quick Picks.

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              i know.......anyone but you.          because your the king (or queen) of excuses.

              that's one heck of a resume,  stack

              all talk, no stack

              maybe you can expound upon what those small "demonstrations" yielded?

              pure randomness where neither QP's or systems prevailed.

              just exactly what i have always said......neither can produce "better" results.

              maybe your insinuating those little demonstrations weren't long enough to prove anything.

              remember,  you are the one that won't go the distance it takes TO definitively show what's what.

              i will

              And why not me?

              Any one of you QPs experts could tell in second if manipulated the results.

              1. 05-06-16-34-42  + 26
              2. 15-27-45-48-49  + 22
              3. 02-11-41-45-50  + 33
              4. 10-14-18-28-48  + 39
              5. 05-06-27-30-42  + 04
              6. 04-24-43-44-49  + 25
              7. 06-08-23-40-47  + 17
              8. 20-23-33-35-46  + 37
              9. 06-22-34-42-55  + 45
              10. 12-25-41-43-49  + 46

              Are they from a RNG or did I carefully construct them to fool you?

              "maybe you can expound upon what those small "demonstrations" yielded?"

              I already did a couple of pages ago and gave you my sincere congratulations!

               

              *Edited to add: Feel free to play those combos in your next MM drawing; just be aware if you do, they fall into the SP statistic.

               

              *Re-edited to ask: How can a QP become a SP when and SP can't be a QP?


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                I can't believe this is still going.

                Nag, nag, nag, whine, whine, whine, complain, complain, complain and now berate?

                Wonder if it was the bully on the schoolyard playground?

                Going the distance = posting Quick Picks.

                If visiondude posted a QP scan and it hit the jackpot, what would that prove?

                Alternatively, if someone else posted a scan of a SP and IT hit the jackpot, what would THAT prove?

                In which case could we assume the purchaser "went the distance?"

                Which one could we call the "bully in the schoolyard playground?"

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                  If visiondude posted a QP scan and it hit the jackpot, what would that prove?

                  Alternatively, if someone else posted a scan of a SP and IT hit the jackpot, what would THAT prove?

                  In which case could we assume the purchaser "went the distance?"

                  Which one could we call the "bully in the schoolyard playground?"

                  What are the expected results if I posted that 46 combo wheel using all 46 bonus numbers that is hiding in plain sight from VD under the systems tab and VD posted 46 RNG picks?

                  What is the system's ROI, what is the RNG picks ROI, and finally what are the odds against producing a definitive winner?

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                    If visiondude posted a QP scan and it hit the jackpot, what would that prove?

                    Alternatively, if someone else posted a scan of a SP and IT hit the jackpot, what would THAT prove?

                    In which case could we assume the purchaser "went the distance?"

                    Which one could we call the "bully in the schoolyard playground?"

                    Jimbooble-looble!!!!

                    Went through three scenarios on this earlier this evening.

                    1. If it is an honest to goodness scanned QP, with QP at the end of the line, then the winner could only claim Lady Luck shone on them.

                    2. If it was an RNG there would be no QP at the end of the line, so there would be nothing to say.

                    3. Either way somebody would be making changes in their lifestyle.

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                      The debate of "Quick Picks" versus "System Picks" is going no where because of the tie-up over QPs.  QPs cost real money while an equal amount of predictions cost nothing.   If QPs was changed to "Random Picks" then the debate could move forward without either side having to spend any real money.  I suspect each side already know the outcomes of a few combinations posted at LP aren't going to change their minds because each side base their positions on their experancies over a longer period of time, some going back years.

                      As a system player I only claim using a system to pick my combinations allows me to do things than can't be done with QPs such as playing all the numbers in a matrix with the smallest amount of lines, avoid picking combinations that have already won, choosing to play only the most or least popular numbers and etc., all of which I believe improve my odds of winning a prize especially when I play more than a couple of lines.

                      System play is not for everyone especially if they only play one or two lines or play family birthdays, but if they are playing more than a couple of lines then I would think they would want to avoid the things that can happen when a bunch of QPs are bought.

                      This QP/SP debate should have its own thread since this thread started out to define what a system is.  It seems systems may be nothing more than the ways players pick their numbers other than QPs.

                      "It seems systems may be nothing more than the ways players pick their numbers other than QPs."

                      QPs are generally defined as computer terminal picks and can be played using playslips. If a player wants 46 QPs and wants all 46 bonus numbers too, they can mark all the WBs as QP and manually enter all the bonus numbers.

                      I've talked about payoff potential using some methods, but at the end of the day, it's the player's choice what they feel is the better bet.

                        Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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                        Ok guys. I made a program that can convert the Pick 3 history to it's same pool equivalent. For example, an input file containing:

                        758
                        841
                        955
                        004
                        458
                        698
                        283
                        794
                        634
                        676
                        181
                        223
                        367
                        214
                        034
                        729
                        582
                        770
                        045
                        396
                        080
                        843
                        056
                        181
                        066
                        176
                        672
                        750
                        424
                        500
                        467
                        608
                        648
                        727
                        615
                        451
                        772
                        960
                        062
                        953

                        is printed to an output file which will contain:

                        08 16 29
                        09 15 22
                        10 16 26
                        01 11 25
                        05 16 29
                        07 20 29
                        03 19 24
                        08 20 25
                        07 14 25
                        07 18 27
                        02 19 22
                        03 13 24
                        04 17 28
                        03 12 25
                        01 14 25
                        08 13 30
                        06 19 23
                        08 18 21
                        01 15 26
                        04 20 27
                        01 19 21
                        09 15 24
                        01 16 27
                        02 19 22
                        01 17 27
                        02 18 27
                        07 18 23
                        08 16 21
                        05 13 25
                        06 11 21
                        05 17 28
                        07 11 29
                        07 15 29
                        08 13 28
                        07 12 26
                        05 16 22
                        08 18 23
                        10 17 21
                        01 17 23
                        10 16 24

                        Now I can generate the Pick 3 history to it's converted form quickly. Now I can do my paperwork, then I'll be able to test it out with my system! Wish me luck!Big Grin

                        Gonna win.Big Smile

                          ameriken's avatar - 33ojew2
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                          yep.   truth is,  you guys are afraid.   

                          and now, especially because i am anonymous (now that you insinuate some other new angle of excuse).

                          it's pretty simple,  but i will state it again......i don't run around the halls looking for a challenge,  or "challenging" people for sport.

                          what i do is counter information and claims,  and generally what happens is some one gets ticked when i question their skills,  just like you did above.

                          you guys make the claims......i don't.

                          when some one gets a little arrogant,  just because they don't like having their positioned examined under a reality microscope,  out come their fangs. 

                          so because that's not gonna fly,  i go into "prove it mode"

                          not everyone.  just the ones that talk trash, the ones that cross the line from a "maybe" proposition,  into "it's true" land.

                          that's when i break out my highlighter. 

                          its a discussion board, with varying opinions / views,  so for some reason you think people are supposed to always sing kumbyah with you on your lottery position.

                          ahhh nope.

                          one of the worst moments in this thread among the "it's true crowd",  is the schicken factor got so high,  desperation set in,  and selfishness took over the reins as you guys wanted me to go throw a huge wrench in the peaceful predictions page.

                          since all "you guys" refused to step up,  you didn't mind HOW MUCH havoc that would have caused,  so long as you didn't have to do it.

                          me "schicken"?    that's a laugh.   vision ain't afraid of nuttin.

                          since you are,  tell you what,  i will demonstrate how a man in a position of strength operates. 

                          you go over to the predictions page and get permission ,  in a majority vote,  and i will be glad to do what i say i will do

                          you know.....so someone else can do it

                          "It could be that they simply just don't like you".

                           trust me,  i came to terms 8 1/2 years ago i will never nail down "most popular poster at LP".

                          which is EXACTLY another highlight that you guys "can't".     

                          because if anyone could have,  they would have done it by now  -------->  because they don't like me.

                          take you for instance.  your irritated enough at me that if you could, you would.

                          "afraid" is right on the money.

                          it's simple,  make claims,   but don't get arrogant about it,  otherwise the microscope gets to show what it was designed for.

                          Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

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                            Ok guys. I made a program that can convert the Pick 3 history to it's same pool equivalent. For example, an input file containing:

                            758
                            841
                            955
                            004
                            458
                            698
                            283
                            794
                            634
                            676
                            181
                            223
                            367
                            214
                            034
                            729
                            582
                            770
                            045
                            396
                            080
                            843
                            056
                            181
                            066
                            176
                            672
                            750
                            424
                            500
                            467
                            608
                            648
                            727
                            615
                            451
                            772
                            960
                            062
                            953

                            is printed to an output file which will contain:

                            08 16 29
                            09 15 22
                            10 16 26
                            01 11 25
                            05 16 29
                            07 20 29
                            03 19 24
                            08 20 25
                            07 14 25
                            07 18 27
                            02 19 22
                            03 13 24
                            04 17 28
                            03 12 25
                            01 14 25
                            08 13 30
                            06 19 23
                            08 18 21
                            01 15 26
                            04 20 27
                            01 19 21
                            09 15 24
                            01 16 27
                            02 19 22
                            01 17 27
                            02 18 27
                            07 18 23
                            08 16 21
                            05 13 25
                            06 11 21
                            05 17 28
                            07 11 29
                            07 15 29
                            08 13 28
                            07 12 26
                            05 16 22
                            08 18 23
                            10 17 21
                            01 17 23
                            10 16 24

                            Now I can generate the Pick 3 history to it's converted form quickly. Now I can do my paperwork, then I'll be able to test it out with my system! Wish me luck!Big Grin

                            Good luck Guru. Maybe one day Colorado will get a P3 o P4 game and I can join in on the fun. There's a lot more good stuff out there for 3's and 4' than for 5 and 6 # games. I've got enough info to stay ahead of QP's in a Cash 5, but of course I'd like to do far better.

                            Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

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                              Ok guys. I made a program that can convert the Pick 3 history to it's same pool equivalent. For example, an input file containing:

                              758
                              841
                              955
                              004
                              458
                              698
                              283
                              794
                              634
                              676
                              181
                              223
                              367
                              214
                              034
                              729
                              582
                              770
                              045
                              396
                              080
                              843
                              056
                              181
                              066
                              176
                              672
                              750
                              424
                              500
                              467
                              608
                              648
                              727
                              615
                              451
                              772
                              960
                              062
                              953

                              is printed to an output file which will contain:

                              08 16 29
                              09 15 22
                              10 16 26
                              01 11 25
                              05 16 29
                              07 20 29
                              03 19 24
                              08 20 25
                              07 14 25
                              07 18 27
                              02 19 22
                              03 13 24
                              04 17 28
                              03 12 25
                              01 14 25
                              08 13 30
                              06 19 23
                              08 18 21
                              01 15 26
                              04 20 27
                              01 19 21
                              09 15 24
                              01 16 27
                              02 19 22
                              01 17 27
                              02 18 27
                              07 18 23
                              08 16 21
                              05 13 25
                              06 11 21
                              05 17 28
                              07 11 29
                              07 15 29
                              08 13 28
                              07 12 26
                              05 16 22
                              08 18 23
                              10 17 21
                              01 17 23
                              10 16 24

                              Now I can generate the Pick 3 history to it's converted form quickly. Now I can do my paperwork, then I'll be able to test it out with my system! Wish me luck!Big Grin

                              Looks like you're on to something good and I think it will show some nice results!

                                 
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