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# Do some number combinations have better odds?

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It makes no sense when taken out of context, but does and is logical, had you honestly quoted me. "When you put a five dollar chip on the red you don't "know" the results, but that's why it called gambling."

I hope our new crusader Jimmy doesn't find out how dishonest his number 1 disciple is.

And what part of that changes your ridiculously faulty and untrue logic?

And explain how I'm his "disciple" please?  We've both read statistics before so all of a sudden he's my teacher.  You guys are dilusional.

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And what part of that changes your ridiculously faulty and untrue logic?

And explain how I'm his "disciple" please?  We've both read statistics before so all of a sudden he's my teacher.  You guys are dilusional.

I dont know for sure, but Ronnie, it might be time to 86 these guys from this thread.

PERMANENTLY.

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Pardon the analogy, but I compare it to tracking storm systems and their development. You do this long enough and you begin to identify elements in the weather that could potentially lead to a tropical storm and ultimately to a hurricane. The goal IMHO is to track closely with the aim of identifying these patterns as early as possible so you can cash in before it's all over.

With roulette, a new streak starts when the pill lands in the pocket. If a players strategy is to parlay a three outcome streak, what he bets on and wins on is irrelevant. It could be three straight red, black, two reds and one black, or any combination of trying to win three straight even money roulette bets (even, odd, high, low, red and black).

It's not exactly a 50/50 bet because of Zero and Double Zero, but by parlaying three wins, a player gets a 7 to 1 payoff. Though I've played a few time, I'm not a roulette player, but I know their will be plenty of chances for three outcomes streaks.

"The goal IMHO is to track closely with the aim of identifying these patterns as early as possible so you can cash in before it's all over."

If you study patterns and can make an educated guess when they should start, it could be a nice spot play. There are rules saying we have to play every hand or every lottery drawing so why not make your move when you feel the most comfortable.

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With roulette, a new streak starts when the pill lands in the pocket. If a players strategy is to parlay a three outcome streak, what he bets on and wins on is irrelevant. It could be three straight red, black, two reds and one black, or any combination of trying to win three straight even money roulette bets (even, odd, high, low, red and black).

It's not exactly a 50/50 bet because of Zero and Double Zero, but by parlaying three wins, a player gets a 7 to 1 payoff. Though I've played a few time, I'm not a roulette player, but I know their will be plenty of chances for three outcomes streaks.

"The goal IMHO is to track closely with the aim of identifying these patterns as early as possible so you can cash in before it's all over."

If you study patterns and can make an educated guess when they should start, it could be a nice spot play. There are rules saying we have to play every hand or every lottery drawing so why not make your move when you feel the most comfortable.

Odds are the chances, and payouts are what you get for the risk.
If you have a chance of 1 in 1000 to win 500 betting 1 unit, then p() = 0.001. Your expectancy for one bet is 0.499 when 999 in 1000 don't pay.

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And what part of that changes your ridiculously faulty and untrue logic?

And explain how I'm his "disciple" please?  We've both read statistics before so all of a sudden he's my teacher.  You guys are dilusional.

It looks like you expect me to explain the English language to you. I said:

"When you put a five dollar chip on the red you don't "know" the results, but that's why it called gambling. If you win you can either remove your winnings or let the two five dollar chips ride and get a 3 to 1 payoff on your original bet if it's red and 7 to 1 on a streak of three. You're correct, you don't know when the streak will start or end, but you get an advantage when one occurs."

It's called a paragraph and if you don't understand what a paragraph is, look it up.

In the first sentence I said when you make any bet you don't know results and that's why it's called gambling. Gambling on a 50/50 outcome is really simple logic, you're going to win or you're going to lose. If you're playing for a streak and win, that's the first step. You let your money ride and second spin is still a gamble though a better bet because you'll get a 3 to 1 payoff on your original bet, but you don't know that result either and that's why it's called gambling too.

So the last sentence in the paragraph was a summation because in the first sentence I said, "you don't know the results" so "you don't know when a streak will start or end". And because I also explained how a three outcome parlay gives a player 7 to 1 payoff on the original bet, I added "but you get an advantage when one occurs".

"And explain how I'm his "disciple" please?"

It looks like you know how to take my last sentence of a paragraph out of context, but don't know why you're a disciple. Because you said "Of course.....  he's promoting a person agenda lol." and "He's just using mathemtical proof, and provable concepts, to explain the nature of these games."

Jimmy made it clear he's been on an agenda ever since he got a PM from someone outside the U.S. who lost all their money playing the lottery (probably a Nigerian scam and Jimmy sent them some money).

*note to self: deeply apologize to LottoBoner for confusing him with Boney526.

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Odds are the chances, and payouts are what you get for the risk.
If you have a chance of 1 in 1000 to win 500 betting 1 unit, then p() = 0.001. Your expectancy for one bet is 0.499 when 999 in 1000 don't pay.

Three bet parlays don't apply to the lottery because the lottery is not a 50/50 bet. I roulette player would have to win seven consecutive bets to win the same amount they could win on three bet parlay.

I suppose Boney will calculate the odds against winning a three bet parlay and Jimmy will run a Monte Carlo simulations to show me the errors of my ways. They have way too much time on their hands.

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Three bet parlays don't apply to the lottery because the lottery is not a 50/50 bet. I roulette player would have to win seven consecutive bets to win the same amount they could win on three bet parlay.

I suppose Boney will calculate the odds against winning a three bet parlay and Jimmy will run a Monte Carlo simulations to show me the errors of my ways. They have way too much time on their hands.

I know right!  If you spend all day calculating the odds, then you cant spend any time finding the fine edge of phitality!!

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It looks like you expect me to explain the English language to you. I said:

"When you put a five dollar chip on the red you don't "know" the results, but that's why it called gambling. If you win you can either remove your winnings or let the two five dollar chips ride and get a 3 to 1 payoff on your original bet if it's red and 7 to 1 on a streak of three. You're correct, you don't know when the streak will start or end, but you get an advantage when one occurs."

It's called a paragraph and if you don't understand what a paragraph is, look it up.

In the first sentence I said when you make any bet you don't know results and that's why it's called gambling. Gambling on a 50/50 outcome is really simple logic, you're going to win or you're going to lose. If you're playing for a streak and win, that's the first step. You let your money ride and second spin is still a gamble though a better bet because you'll get a 3 to 1 payoff on your original bet, but you don't know that result either and that's why it's called gambling too.

So the last sentence in the paragraph was a summation because in the first sentence I said, "you don't know the results" so "you don't know when a streak will start or end". And because I also explained how a three outcome parlay gives a player 7 to 1 payoff on the original bet, I added "but you get an advantage when one occurs".

"And explain how I'm his "disciple" please?"

It looks like you know how to take my last sentence of a paragraph out of context, but don't know why you're a disciple. Because you said "Of course.....  he's promoting a person agenda lol." and "He's just using mathemtical proof, and provable concepts, to explain the nature of these games."

Jimmy made it clear he's been on an agenda ever since he got a PM from someone outside the U.S. who lost all their money playing the lottery (probably a Nigerian scam and Jimmy sent them some money).

*note to self: deeply apologize to LottoBoner for confusing him with Boney526.

I didn't expect you to re explain an obviously understandable, but wrong statement.

How does the fact that you can find streaks after the fact allow you to play at an advantage?  IT DOESN'T!  You can repeat the same words over and over again.  That doesn't make them true.

You'r like a kid sticking his kid in his ears going "LALALALALALALALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALALAALA"

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Three bet parlays don't apply to the lottery because the lottery is not a 50/50 bet. I roulette player would have to win seven consecutive bets to win the same amount they could win on three bet parlay.

I suppose Boney will calculate the odds against winning a three bet parlay and Jimmy will run a Monte Carlo simulations to show me the errors of my ways. They have way too much time on their hands.

Well there's no point because obviously you think you can gain an advantage on the outside bets of a roulette wheel, and that's just stupid.

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I didn't expect you to re explain an obviously understandable, but wrong statement.

How does the fact that you can find streaks after the fact allow you to play at an advantage?  IT DOESN'T!  You can repeat the same words over and over again.  That doesn't make them true.

You'r like a kid sticking his kid in his ears going "LALALALALALALALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALALAALA"

What was wrong about saying unless cheating is involved, it's a gambling when you make any 50/50 bet?

Telling a group of lottery players or any gamblers there is chance they could lose any bet they make doesn't exactly make you Einstein. Now that you know I already knew there is a risk of losing every time I make a bet, do you have anything constructive to add to the conversation?

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With roulette, a new streak starts when the pill lands in the pocket. If a players strategy is to parlay a three outcome streak, what he bets on and wins on is irrelevant. It could be three straight red, black, two reds and one black, or any combination of trying to win three straight even money roulette bets (even, odd, high, low, red and black).

It's not exactly a 50/50 bet because of Zero and Double Zero, but by parlaying three wins, a player gets a 7 to 1 payoff. Though I've played a few time, I'm not a roulette player, but I know their will be plenty of chances for three outcomes streaks.

"The goal IMHO is to track closely with the aim of identifying these patterns as early as possible so you can cash in before it's all over."

If you study patterns and can make an educated guess when they should start, it could be a nice spot play. There are rules saying we have to play every hand or every lottery drawing so why not make your move when you feel the most comfortable.

Thanks!

Updating my research for the MM game and tweaking my system as I write.

Here's to greater success for us all in 2013

"Everything works  ONCE!"

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Well there's no point because obviously you think you can gain an advantage on the outside bets of a roulette wheel, and that's just stupid.

I was comparing two distinct bets so whatever you think I was saying is irrelevant. What's the possibility of you ever adding something constructive to the conversation?

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I was comparing two distinct bets so whatever you think I was saying is irrelevant. What's the possibility of you ever adding something constructive to the conversation?

Now those are some VERY long odds Stack. I think I will stick to playing the lottery.

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Well there's no point because obviously you think you can gain an advantage on the outside bets of a roulette wheel, and that's just stupid.

Boney526,

I agree. There really isn't a more delicate way to put it.

People like Stack47 are either true believers or are paid for their efforts here. If they truly are believers, they either experienced short term winnings way out in the right hand tail of an ROI distribution, or know someone well who did. Retired casino employees often start to believe in systems as a result of observing customers win with [E.G.] roulette systems, particularly the kind discussed above.

Even when presented with the skewed distribution of randomly generated ROIs that I put up recently, Stack47's thinking causes him to proclaim that there are ways to increase your chances of being in the right hand tail.

It would be encouraging if believers would stop asking us when we are going to contribute something "constructive." If they stopped, perhaps we could assume they finally get the message that if constructive is defined as devising ways to "increase odds of winning," there are none.

All that can be hoped for is that a few curious readers here discover the wisdom of probability theory, which had its beginnings in the 1600's. Mathematicians at the University of Texas have a concise summary of these beginnings with Links to other interesting sites as well:

P.S. It really would be interesting to read a substantive explanation of just what people here believe the physical causative factors are behind a "streak" in, say, roulette.

--Jimmy4164

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I was comparing two distinct bets so whatever you think I was saying is irrelevant. What's the possibility of you ever adding something constructive to the conversation?

What your saving makes perfect sense Stack.......

You clearly said IF a person can hit three times in a row they gain an advantage.

Its just too simple and strait forward for Boney to grasp. I think he has reached the point of just being confrontational no matter what the subject matter is.

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