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I just bought my Texas 2 Step, MM, PB, and Texas Lotto tickets yesterday for the first half of the week. I almost always pick my own numbers but this time I wanted to take a break so I just got all QP's.

Kinda interesting that most of them are not weird, 1-2-3-4-5-6, etc, but, on my Lotto tic, the numbers are over 6 decades. A single, a teen, a 20's, 30's 40's and a 50's. Personally, I would never pick 6 numbers over 6 decades for this game, because numbers like that are draw maybe once or twice a year. So, yes it is entirely possible it can happen, and it will happen sometime, it's just numbers over 4 decades are drawn the majority of the time. 

RJoH said it best some time ago, "What happens most often is most likely to happen again".

Rcbbuckeye,

"Kinda interesting that most of them are not weird, 1-2-3-4-5-6, etc, but, on my Lotto tic, the numbers are over 6 decades. A single, a teen, a 20's, 30's 40's and a 50's. Personally, I would never pick 6 numbers over 6 decades for this game, because numbers like that are draw maybe once or twice a year. So, yes it is entirely possible it can happen, and it will happen sometime, it's just numbers over 4 decades are drawn the majority of the time."

You are definitely not alone with these sentiments.  In fact, thoughts like yours have been studied by researchers in an effort to understand what motivates them.  If you have intellectual curiosity, some interest in psychology, and would like to understand what might cause you to think the way you do, you will read this research report.

It is not esoteric mathematics!  It is quite understandable to anyone willing to read carefully.  Its title is  Trying To Be Random In Selecting Numbers For Lotto.

Well, I have led you to some water - I hope you will at least take a sip! Smile

http://www.amstat.org/publications/jse/secure/v7n3/boland.cfm 

--Jimmy4164

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    I just bought my Texas 2 Step, MM, PB, and Texas Lotto tickets yesterday for the first half of the week. I almost always pick my own numbers but this time I wanted to take a break so I just got all QP's.

    Kinda interesting that most of them are not weird, 1-2-3-4-5-6, etc, but, on my Lotto tic, the numbers are over 6 decades. A single, a teen, a 20's, 30's 40's and a 50's. Personally, I would never pick 6 numbers over 6 decades for this game, because numbers like that are draw maybe once or twice a year. So, yes it is entirely possible it can happen, and it will happen sometime, it's just numbers over 4 decades are drawn the majority of the time. 

    RJoH said it best some time ago, "What happens most often is most likely to happen again".

    Speaking of "What happens most is most likely to happen again",here is a group of 28 MM numbers that matched 5 thirty-six times in the last 799 draws.  That's an average of once ever 22 draws.

    02 03 04 05 09 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 20 24 27 29 31 35 36 38 39 40 46 48 51 52 53
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    01/25/13 - 11 12 17 31 48 +01
    08/03/12 - 02 10 13 38 46 +02
    07/24/12 - 05 09 38 46 51 +05
    07/03/12 - 03 04 24 36 52 +45
    06/01/12 - 02 27 38 46 52 +45
    05/15/12 - 10 11 12 14 24 +06
    01/10/12 - 04 10 16 38 48 +34
    11/01/11 - 27 31 39 40 46 +36
    07/19/11 - 02 09 10 16 35 +40
    06/14/11 - 09 10 20 51 53 +24
    04/22/11 - 03 18 46 51 53 +17
    04/01/11 - 13 14 35 36 53 +19
    02/15/11 - 17 18 24 35 39 +18
    09/28/10 - 02 10 13 36 38 +18
    09/17/10 - 03 04 14 18 27 +13
    08/20/10 - 04 13 20 29 48 +36
    05/28/10 - 03 11 20 29 39 +26
    02/23/10 - 04 16 36 40 53 +18
    12/29/09 - 02 05 29 35 51 +03
    09/18/09 - 18 27 31 36 52 +33
    06/19/09 - 04 09 12 16 46 +44
    04/07/09 - 02 04 13 17 36 +15
    03/10/09 - 02 27 31 39 40 +23
    12/16/08 - 10 14 16 29 40 +06
    09/16/08 - 13 24 39 51 52 +44
    07/11/08 - 05 14 16 39 51 +34
    02/05/08 - 04 05 17 40 51 +38
    10/26/07 - 12 20 24 38 51 +03
    05/01/07 - 11 16 31 52 53 +42
    02/16/07 - 17 35 40 46 48 +41
    01/02/07 - 09 10 38 51 53 +01
    06/06/06 - 05 29 35 52 53 +09
    06/02/06 - 03 10 18 36 38 +41
    02/28/06 - 02 04 35 36 48 +22
    11/15/05 - 02 04 05 40 48 +07
    08/19/05 - 02 13 18 36 46 +36

    MATCH 0 = 13
    MATCH 1 = 96
    MATCH 2 = 205
    MATCH 3 = 306
    MATCH 4 = 143
    MATCH 5 = 36

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Set of 28 for MM. Tue. Feb. 19, 2013.

      01 02 05 06 07 08 10 11 12 15 16 17 18 20 26 27 30 31 32 39 40 41 44 46 47 48 50 54

      bonus ball 08


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         Thanks for posting jimmy.


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          RJOh,

          If you dig deep enough in your data mine you might find a set of 28 with even more than 36 hits of 5, since this result is still within the range of reasonable expectations.  What did you conclude from this 36 HIT set?

          Since you found earlier that the set [1..28] produced a typical, normal result, I was hoping yuu would run your data against the upper half of the range, [29..56].  Did you run it?  If so, what was the result?  With the code you've already written, I'm sure you could also see what happens with the set of all evens, and all odds.

          Looking forward to some more good information,

          --Jimmy4164


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            Wow jimmy, thanks for staying active on this thread even though you are being completely ignored.


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              Speaking of "What happens most is most likely to happen again",here is a group of 28 MM numbers that matched 5 thirty-six times in the last 799 draws.  That's an average of once ever 22 draws.

              02 03 04 05 09 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 20 24 27 29 31 35 36 38 39 40 46 48 51 52 53
              ------------------------------------------------------------------

              01/25/13 - 11 12 17 31 48 +01
              08/03/12 - 02 10 13 38 46 +02
              07/24/12 - 05 09 38 46 51 +05
              07/03/12 - 03 04 24 36 52 +45
              06/01/12 - 02 27 38 46 52 +45
              05/15/12 - 10 11 12 14 24 +06
              01/10/12 - 04 10 16 38 48 +34
              11/01/11 - 27 31 39 40 46 +36
              07/19/11 - 02 09 10 16 35 +40
              06/14/11 - 09 10 20 51 53 +24
              04/22/11 - 03 18 46 51 53 +17
              04/01/11 - 13 14 35 36 53 +19
              02/15/11 - 17 18 24 35 39 +18
              09/28/10 - 02 10 13 36 38 +18
              09/17/10 - 03 04 14 18 27 +13
              08/20/10 - 04 13 20 29 48 +36
              05/28/10 - 03 11 20 29 39 +26
              02/23/10 - 04 16 36 40 53 +18
              12/29/09 - 02 05 29 35 51 +03
              09/18/09 - 18 27 31 36 52 +33
              06/19/09 - 04 09 12 16 46 +44
              04/07/09 - 02 04 13 17 36 +15
              03/10/09 - 02 27 31 39 40 +23
              12/16/08 - 10 14 16 29 40 +06
              09/16/08 - 13 24 39 51 52 +44
              07/11/08 - 05 14 16 39 51 +34
              02/05/08 - 04 05 17 40 51 +38
              10/26/07 - 12 20 24 38 51 +03
              05/01/07 - 11 16 31 52 53 +42
              02/16/07 - 17 35 40 46 48 +41
              01/02/07 - 09 10 38 51 53 +01
              06/06/06 - 05 29 35 52 53 +09
              06/02/06 - 03 10 18 36 38 +41
              02/28/06 - 02 04 35 36 48 +22
              11/15/05 - 02 04 05 40 48 +07
              08/19/05 - 02 13 18 36 46 +36

              MATCH 0 = 13
              MATCH 1 = 96
              MATCH 2 = 205
              MATCH 3 = 306
              MATCH 4 = 143
              MATCH 5 = 36

              Thanks RJOh, sounds like all groups of 28 were NOT created equal.


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                Wow jimmy, thanks for staying active on this thread even though you are being completely ignored.

                Ignored?  Really?

                If Views can be called Hits, and Replies, Prizes, this is a case where I am quite content with a very high "Hit" ratio.

                Thanks for drawing attention to my posts.

                You must not be aware of how foolish you look as you repeatedly try to BURY the posts of anyone who rejects your fallacious reasoning.  On second thought, perhaps pathetic would be a better word.

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                  Thanks Stack. Im sure the very same intellectuals who worship Sir Isaac Newton in hindsight would have been quick to announce his work laughable and call him a blithering idiot had they been there to do so.

                  It's easy for people to forget there were state lotteries before PCs were household items and ideas for better ways to play the games were in books and pamphlets. I've read the knocks on Gail Howard, but her publications never promised jackpot and the books had useful information. It's laughable now comparing her pencil and paper charts to PC programs.

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                    I just bought my Texas 2 Step, MM, PB, and Texas Lotto tickets yesterday for the first half of the week. I almost always pick my own numbers but this time I wanted to take a break so I just got all QP's.

                    Kinda interesting that most of them are not weird, 1-2-3-4-5-6, etc, but, on my Lotto tic, the numbers are over 6 decades. A single, a teen, a 20's, 30's 40's and a 50's. Personally, I would never pick 6 numbers over 6 decades for this game, because numbers like that are draw maybe once or twice a year. So, yes it is entirely possible it can happen, and it will happen sometime, it's just numbers over 4 decades are drawn the majority of the time. 

                    RJoH said it best some time ago, "What happens most often is most likely to happen again".

                    My interest in this thread started when Ronnie mentioned "taking the numbers off the balls" because I've had some success putting the numbers into different orders and playing the numbers within the orders having higher percentages of hits. Using one number from each decade on some of the lines doesn't change the probably of that happening, it just means it's part of another likely probability. Consecutive or matching last numbers are other low percentage lines.

                    "RJoH said it best some time ago, "What happens most often is most likely to happen again". "

                    After enough drawings the numbers form a bell curve and the events on the smaller part of the curve will happen again, just not as often. I wouldn't play the less likely in every drawing, but the unlikely will eventually happen and can be used for spot plays.


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                      It's easy for people to forget there were state lotteries before PCs were household items and ideas for better ways to play the games were in books and pamphlets. I've read the knocks on Gail Howard, but her publications never promised jackpot and the books had useful information. It's laughable now comparing her pencil and paper charts to PC programs.

                      I Agree! If the people who CLAIM to have so much wisdom and mathematical genius would just start testing combinations perhaps we could find out why QPs perform so poorly, or that fractals are evident in lottery randomness.


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                        Looks really good Jimmy, the 4 if 4 wheel is only 20 lines.

                        Wheel:  Pick 5 Abbreviated 4 if 4 of 8

                        Tickets:  20

                        Description:  Minimum 4-number match, if 4 numbers drawn fall within your set of 8 numbers.

                        Input:  4, 8, 36, 40, 46, 47, 51, 56

                        1. 04-08-36-40-51
                        2. 04-08-36-40-56
                        3. 04-08-36-46-47
                        4. 04-08-40-46-51
                        5. 04-08-40-46-56
                        6. 04-08-40-47-51
                        7. 04-08-40-47-56
                        8. 04-08-40-51-56
                        9. 04-36-40-46-47
                        10. 04-36-46-51-56
                        11. 04-36-47-51-56
                        12. 04-46-47-51-56
                        13. 08-36-40-46-47
                        14. 08-36-46-47-51
                        15. 08-36-46-47-56
                        16. 08-36-47-51-56
                        17. 08-40-46-51-56
                        18. 36-40-46-47-51
                        19. 36-40-46-47-56
                        20. 36-40-47-51-56

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                          Looks like you missed up and played combo 04-36-47-51-56 twice.  I think one of those should have been 04-46-47-51-56.

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                            Ronnie, you give me great hope and inspiration because I also pick numbers just like you do. And all this time I thought I was stupid one picking numbers like that, all similar numbers...thanks, You are my hero !!


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                                And  Congrat's to LottoBoner,

                                      for..... Everything

                              Your welcome kosmic!

                              I got some more tricks up my sleeve!

                              (Now if only I can find my shirt)

                                 
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