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Posted: March 25, 2014, 9:37 pm - IP Logged

Yup.  They pulled the Frenzy from the CA Lottery website, but I recall the overall odds being considerably worse than the 2nd worst game in the $5 category.  It was something like 1 in 4.41, closer to overall odds for a $2 game.

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    Yeah, I don't know what's with those calottery.com website guys sometimes. Lots of website errors, incorrect odds, and they still haven't fixed the missing $5 Big 6 Bingo and $3 Bingo Boxes data for what, over a month now? What gives?

    So the $500 Frenzy being taken down is common from what I've seen. New games often go up/down, in/out from the website leading up to launch. I did copy a snapshot once to analyze it:

    __$500   Frenzy (1118)$5
    Tier   ReturnTotal ReturnPrizesOdds 1 inTotal # of WinnersPrizes ClaimedPrizes Available
    14.58%69.97%$50068626,250026,250
    5.00%55.39%$10040045,000045,000
    4.66%50.40%$5021484,000084,000
    4.50%45.73%$30133135,0000135,000
    6.25%41.23%$2064281,2500281,250
    7.50%34.99%$1540450,0000450,000
    21.24%27.49%$1091,912,50001,912,500
    6.25%6.25%Ticket161,125,00001,125,000
    ___4.4364,059,0000.00%100.00%

    Yep, not very good game overall. Horrible overall odds 1 in 4.44 for a $5 game. Typical return for couple hundred plays is only around 50% where normal $5 games you can get 60-65% or more. Until you hit that $500 prize, prepare for disappointment. But I think that's by design to make the game more addictive. And they really pumped up the $10 prize tier...as bait.(along with the $500 tier)

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      Posted: March 25, 2014, 11:40 pm - IP Logged

      Yeah, I don't know what's with those calottery.com website guys sometimes. Lots of website errors, incorrect odds, and they still haven't fixed the missing $5 Big 6 Bingo and $3 Bingo Boxes data for what, over a month now? What gives?

      So the $500 Frenzy being taken down is common from what I've seen. New games often go up/down, in/out from the website leading up to launch. I did copy a snapshot once to analyze it:

      __$500   Frenzy (1118)$5
      Tier   ReturnTotal ReturnPrizesOdds 1 inTotal # of WinnersPrizes ClaimedPrizes Available
      14.58%69.97%$50068626,250026,250
      5.00%55.39%$10040045,000045,000
      4.66%50.40%$5021484,000084,000
      4.50%45.73%$30133135,0000135,000
      6.25%41.23%$2064281,2500281,250
      7.50%34.99%$1540450,0000450,000
      21.24%27.49%$1091,912,50001,912,500
      6.25%6.25%Ticket161,125,00001,125,000
      ___4.4364,059,0000.00%100.00%

      Yep, not very good game overall. Horrible overall odds 1 in 4.44 for a $5 game. Typical return for couple hundred plays is only around 50% where normal $5 games you can get 60-65% or more. Until you hit that $500 prize, prepare for disappointment. But I think that's by design to make the game more addictive. And they really pumped up the $10 prize tier...as bait.(along with the $500 tier)

      That being said, this game is still worth buying a few tix, at least until the appeal of a new game wears off. With each passing month, I'm beginning to like scratchers less and less. I'm certainly not going to be standing at the scratcher vending machine pumping in $5 bill after $5 bill hoping to get that top prize. People do that with the $10 and $20 tix and before you know it, they're out $100 in a matter of minutes.

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        Posted: March 26, 2014, 12:08 am - IP Logged

        another $10 Diamond millionaire from Sunland and won ziltch..

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          That being said, this game is still worth buying a few tix, at least until the appeal of a new game wears off. With each passing month, I'm beginning to like scratchers less and less. I'm certainly not going to be standing at the scratcher vending machine pumping in $5 bill after $5 bill hoping to get that top prize. People do that with the $10 and $20 tix and before you know it, they're out $100 in a matter of minutes.

          The new games are out today supposedly and the CALottery website has the pages back up.

          None of the games are anywhere near the favor to the player as education takes a good chunk of the revenue and CA is mainly pari-mutuel based, let alone scratchers. It is about how much money you could throw away without too much regret, yes I learned this the hard way myself. It requires blind luck to win a jackpot.

          $10 scratchers are easy to chase, but the prize they are chasing afer is so seldom as only a handful (about 100 - 200 out of many millions are $5000 and up).

          $20 scratchers are painful to chase for its excessive break even prizes.

          $5 scratchers offer about 1 year's salary for most people, but still the odds of 1 in 1.2 million are so high that you could spend on hundreds of tickets every day for the rest of your life and still not win a jackpot prize.

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            Posted: March 26, 2014, 2:14 pm - IP Logged

            The new games are out today supposedly and the CALottery website has the pages back up.

            None of the games are anywhere near the favor to the player as education takes a good chunk of the revenue and CA is mainly pari-mutuel based, let alone scratchers. It is about how much money you could throw away without too much regret, yes I learned this the hard way myself. It requires blind luck to win a jackpot.

            $10 scratchers are easy to chase, but the prize they are chasing afer is so seldom as only a handful (about 100 - 200 out of many millions are $5000 and up).

            $20 scratchers are painful to chase for its excessive break even prizes.

            $5 scratchers offer about 1 year's salary for most people, but still the odds of 1 in 1.2 million are so high that you could spend on hundreds of tickets every day for the rest of your life and still not win a jackpot prize.

            I hear you. I was going to spend some money on the new tickets--and still might--but figured since I'm going to Vegas soon, my money would probably be better spent there. In any event, I've been playing scratchers semi-regularly since 1999 and I have never won more than $200. Winning $50 took five years, $100 seven and $200 nine. Obviously, the vast majority of players will never win the jackpot, but you think maybe a $500 or $1,000 prize would have been thrown my way every now and then. These games really do stink.

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              Posted: March 26, 2014, 2:18 pm - IP Logged

              The new games are out today supposedly and the CALottery website has the pages back up.

              None of the games are anywhere near the favor to the player as education takes a good chunk of the revenue and CA is mainly pari-mutuel based, let alone scratchers. It is about how much money you could throw away without too much regret, yes I learned this the hard way myself. It requires blind luck to win a jackpot.

              $10 scratchers are easy to chase, but the prize they are chasing afer is so seldom as only a handful (about 100 - 200 out of many millions are $5000 and up).

              $20 scratchers are painful to chase for its excessive break even prizes.

              $5 scratchers offer about 1 year's salary for most people, but still the odds of 1 in 1.2 million are so high that you could spend on hundreds of tickets every day for the rest of your life and still not win a jackpot prize.

              Right. Just play at your comfort level, what you're comfortable with losing. Hope for a win, but don't expect it, because a top prize is a once in a lifetime hit. If you want to chase wins or buy entire packs at a time, that's for high rollers with thousands of dollars a month in discretionary income to play with.

              I choose games with best return for average play. Will play just a few here and there of games that are extremely top heavy or poor average return. And I pretty much stick to a fixed monthly lottery entertainment budget.(which I won't disclose as that's my business...)

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                If you go the CA Lottery Facebook page and check the recent posts by others section, you'll see this guy (initials J.H.) that posts TONS of winners.  He did say he plays a lot, but he regularly wins $100, $200, $500, $1,000 on Scratchers.  It's scary to think how much he spends daily, weekly, monthly. AND, if he's in the red or black.  AND, if in the red, how deep that hole is??

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                  Posted: March 26, 2014, 3:36 pm - IP Logged

                  If you go the CA Lottery Facebook page and check the recent posts by others section, you'll see this guy (initials J.H.) that posts TONS of winners.  He did say he plays a lot, but he regularly wins $100, $200, $500, $1,000 on Scratchers.  It's scary to think how much he spends daily, weekly, monthly. AND, if he's in the red or black.  AND, if in the red, how deep that hole is??

                  If they're winning a lot, they're playing a lot.

                  I once looked at multiple big winners a while ago, there's quite a few "J.H." people in the list. Below is the top 250 (limit of free batchgeo) which is pretty much all those with 3 or more wins totalling >$100,000 over the years:

                  http://batchgeo.com/map/c69d9487b6fd40f43dbe6ecda2927583

                  (note: address shown is not their address, but one of the stores they won at)

                  There's lots of heavy CA Lottery players.

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                    I hear you. I was going to spend some money on the new tickets--and still might--but figured since I'm going to Vegas soon, my money would probably be better spent there. In any event, I've been playing scratchers semi-regularly since 1999 and I have never won more than $200. Winning $50 took five years, $100 seven and $200 nine. Obviously, the vast majority of players will never win the jackpot, but you think maybe a $500 or $1,000 prize would have been thrown my way every now and then. These games really do stink.

                    Only the new $10 crossword seems to be worthwhile playing as the 20X Crossword game it is replacing has 20 out of 22 jackpots claimed. Most of the other $10 games have its top prize claimed ahead of the sales pace.

                    I have gottent better wins at casinos than the lottery more often in general (though I am on the losing end for both), though the lottery has a potential jackpot that a few casino games can match (Megabucks slots, Wheel Of Fortune slots). I normally play the slots even though I know the house edge/the rules for the majority of table games, more than enough times I have walked away with $200 - $300 with a $100 bankroll. I rarely walk away with a significant winning amount if I end up positive on scratchers. Even when you lose, the casino in consolation will at least get you something in return via the Player's card (show tickets, meals, sundries, hotel stays).

                    For the lottery, it just takes one...

                    I never tried playing $5 slots for more than a handful of trigger spins, but looking at the $500 frenzy odds, I think I'd rather explore trying out (100 spins) than getting a book of those tickets next time I go to a casino.

                    I believe a $50 win was around 1 in 300 for a $3 scratcher in the past before 2009, it took me a while to win one too. But 3 $500 wins, and 6 $200 wins total in my scratchers

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                      Right. Just play at your comfort level, what you're comfortable with losing. Hope for a win, but don't expect it, because a top prize is a once in a lifetime hit. If you want to chase wins or buy entire packs at a time, that's for high rollers with thousands of dollars a month in discretionary income to play with.

                      I choose games with best return for average play. Will play just a few here and there of games that are extremely top heavy or poor average return. And I pretty much stick to a fixed monthly lottery entertainment budget.(which I won't disclose as that's my business...)

                      Not influencing anyone to avoid scratchers, but I became more aware of its aspect over time (odds, ROI, chasing). I am not giving up on scratchers. I have not had the budget to play recently, but I should be able to play some next month and post results.

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                        If you go the CA Lottery Facebook page and check the recent posts by others section, you'll see this guy (initials J.H.) that posts TONS of winners.  He did say he plays a lot, but he regularly wins $100, $200, $500, $1,000 on Scratchers.  It's scary to think how much he spends daily, weekly, monthly. AND, if he's in the red or black.  AND, if in the red, how deep that hole is??

                        I've followed that page for a couple of years now (though I only use Facebook to get discounts or promotions at places for clicking the Like button)

                        I think the person you are referring to is a heavy player, but also knows many other people who play a lot as well. He posts some of their winners too along with his own. Claims to be in the San Diego county area.

                        If I recall correctly, he has won a top prize in the past and using that to play a lot. One stretch he claimed to have posted he entered 3000+ 2nd chance codes per 3 months and not won anything.

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                          I hear you. I was going to spend some money on the new tickets--and still might--but figured since I'm going to Vegas soon, my money would probably be better spent there. In any event, I've been playing scratchers semi-regularly since 1999 and I have never won more than $200. Winning $50 took five years, $100 seven and $200 nine. Obviously, the vast majority of players will never win the jackpot, but you think maybe a $500 or $1,000 prize would have been thrown my way every now and then. These games really do stink.

                          It's really just a volume game.  You have to find places that are good to you and stay on them.  Do it everyday.  Don't deviate too much, get a good relationship with a person working there and it should eventually pay off.  I guess I was lucky in that I hit $500 early on and then hit $1000 after that.  Last year was my first year playing and I think I started roughly in the middle of the year, maybe earlier. 

                          The $5 and smaller games to me are just not good payoff games.  Then again, it's probably becasue I don't play them much and when I do, I don't win.  I feel the same with the stupid $20 asskicker game.  It's just pure pain when you lose a bunch of those.  I would rather buy 2 $10 games because my odds just feel better with two shots. 

                          You will get one sooner or later.  Who knows, you may hit a big one and then it makes up for years of just missing it.

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                            I've followed that page for a couple of years now (though I only use Facebook to get discounts or promotions at places for clicking the Like button)

                            I think the person you are referring to is a heavy player, but also knows many other people who play a lot as well. He posts some of their winners too along with his own. Claims to be in the San Diego county area.

                            If I recall correctly, he has won a top prize in the past and using that to play a lot. One stretch he claimed to have posted he entered 3000+ 2nd chance codes per 3 months and not won anything.

                            That's a person with a problem no different than a drug addict.  It's also basically having no life.  Hate to be critical but to play that much is a joke.  Get out and enjoy the world. 

                            A lot of the winners seem to come from really disadvantaged areas which shows that a lot of the people win are people who are chasing the dream more than really playing for enjoyment.  On another board, there was some guy who said he needed to win in order to keep from foreclosure on his home.  At that point, I had to say "hey buddy, you missed the window somewhere in life."

                            We all have our motivations for playing but this isn't an investment.  It's a gamble and the ROI is terrible for the most part.  I play it for the same reason, I drink wine:  it's fun and it gives you that endorphin release.  The downsides are bad for both.

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                              If they're winning a lot, they're playing a lot.

                              I once looked at multiple big winners a while ago, there's quite a few "J.H." people in the list. Below is the top 250 (limit of free batchgeo) which is pretty much all those with 3 or more wins totalling >$100,000 over the years:

                              http://batchgeo.com/map/c69d9487b6fd40f43dbe6ecda2927583

                              (note: address shown is not their address, but one of the stores they won at)

                              There's lots of heavy CA Lottery players.

                              Thanks for the link.  It was interesting to see how diverse some their wins were.

                              I have yet to claim anything over $599.  Sulk Off

                                 
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