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Posted: August 2, 2013, 9:26 pm - IP Logged

A poker player doesn't want house advantage but has to pay the rakes.

Lottery players suffer of big house edge. Maybe it is time that the lotteries start thinking for the players instead of sponsoring and working money in their pockets. The already taxed money comes from the player and should return to the winning player.

Our games here cost a euro or two euros. The old lotto had less numbers, high payouts and cost 50 cents the combination. Today the lotto has more numbers, lower relative payouts, and costs 1 euro the combination. That is modern evolution in the mind of the lottery organizers, saying that we get more chances. Hell yeah, one percent more chance to win less!

The Texas Lottery mistake was putting the high/low even/odd boxes on their bet slips. If 100 players checked all four boxes, the l

It is total nonense to play a combination odd and the other even, because it's the same. If it is on the form, it is rather done on purpose than by accident. Think about that! The house always wins.

There is no 'if', there are only facts. And there is no obligation for the lottery, the lottery decides.

You're assuming everyone who plays the lottery understands the games. One LP member can't understand why they're on a PB and MM losing streak when they only play one ticket a drawing. I don't know why hundreds of players play 1-2-3-4-5-6 either so I really can't say why they purchase an even ticket and an odd ticket (or high and low) when two even bets or two high bets are exactly the same. But I know that because many players do, they will either change or scrap the game.

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    I usually played all even. However, many players would mark the betslips all even and on the next panel mark all odd. Why??? To win $500000. The same coild be accomplished marking 2 panels all even or all odd, but, still shooting for half a mil for $4.

    It's all moot. Changes are coming.

    I didn't think you could bet two "all odd" on one bet slip so if a player wanted two chances trying to win $500,000 simply check both boxes.

    "It's all moot. Changes are coming."

    They better make it harder for hundreds of players to play the same numbers because there are hundreds of lawyers in Texas too.

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      I didn't think you could bet two "all odd" on one bet slip so if a player wanted two chances trying to win $500,000 simply check both boxes.

      "It's all moot. Changes are coming."

      They better make it harder for hundreds of players to play the same numbers because there are hundreds of lawyers in Texas too.

      I wonder if they're running simulations to see all the most likely scenarios they're likely to face if/when the game is resumed.  Problems are, players don't always act like the simulations.

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        You're assuming everyone who plays the lottery understands the games. One LP member can't understand why they're on a PB and MM losing streak when they only play one ticket a drawing. I don't know why hundreds of players play 1-2-3-4-5-6 either so I really can't say why they purchase an even ticket and an odd ticket (or high and low) when two even bets or two high bets are exactly the same. But I know that because many players do, they will either change or scrap the game.

        I am not making assumptions, it is a drawn conclusion that playing all odd numbers is the same than playing all even numbers in that game. You should see our local forms for lotto, you might learn something.

        Two years ago I checked out several US american lottery sites and found that they were not correctly explaining the rules of the game in several cases. I think that this is bad or dishonnest communication.

        There is absolutely nothing wrong playing 1 to 6. The numbers are picked by the players and this does not have to be explained.

        "The freedom of the player is to play or not to play when he decides to."

        "Just pick any number you like." - the dealer.

        A bankruped casino closes it's doors.

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          I wonder if they're running simulations to see all the most likely scenarios they're likely to face if/when the game is resumed.  Problems are, players don't always act like the simulations.

          When you don't know the math, you run simulations? Big GrinGreen laugh


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            When you don't know the math, you run simulations? Big GrinGreen laugh

            Simulation will help them determine if they are winners or losers. Cheers

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              Simulation will help them determine if they are winners or losers. Cheers

              That's called a drawing. Type

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                That's called a drawing. Type

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                  Skills could be the most important piece of the puzzle.

                           

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                    I wonder if they're running simulations to see all the most likely scenarios they're likely to face if/when the game is resumed.  Problems are, players don't always act like the simulations.

                    They probably ran one one and the simulation showed the same results as a scratch-off game with a fixed amount of tickets and fixed payoffs. But it didn't show hundreds of players betting on a few sets of numbers and if those numbers were drawn, the lottery could lose millions.

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                      I am not making assumptions, it is a drawn conclusion that playing all odd numbers is the same than playing all even numbers in that game. You should see our local forms for lotto, you might learn something.

                      Two years ago I checked out several US american lottery sites and found that they were not correctly explaining the rules of the game in several cases. I think that this is bad or dishonnest communication.

                      There is absolutely nothing wrong playing 1 to 6. The numbers are picked by the players and this does not have to be explained.

                      "The freedom of the player is to play or not to play when he decides to."

                      "Just pick any number you like." - the dealer.

                      A bankruped casino closes it's doors.

                      "Just pick any number you like." - the dealer.

                      For lottery games, "just pick any numbers" usually means taking the time to fill out a bet slip. If the All or Nothing bet slips just said pick 12 any numbers or pick QP and the terminal will pick the 12 numbers for you, there would be no problem. We've already established betting "all odd" is the same bet as "all even" and it's an easy to use option on the bet slip if a player is trying to win two jackpots.

                      "A bankruped casino closes it's doors."

                      Because the option is on bet slip, it's probably on the terminal too and the process is the same as asking a clerk for a QP. While people are buying gas, junk food, beer, smokes, or soft drinks, they can ask the clerk for either two All or Nothing tickets with "all even" if they are trying to win the jackpot twice, or ask for one with "all even" and one with "all odd". They don't have to even fill out a bet slip.

                      The 1-2-3-4-5 + 6 option is not on the bet slips or the terminals and in the busy stores, the clerks won't manually enter the numbers and will tell the player to fill out a bet slip. Those numbers are still highly played, but even if the first five numbers were drawn in PB with multiple players winning $1 million, there won't be as many players winning twice because the option is not on the bet slip or terminal.

                      If 100 All or Nothing players are betting both ways and apparently they were, Texas could lose $50 million in one drawing and much more if lightning struck a second time. The game would not bankrupt the Texas Lottery, but it could put a huge dent in their overall profits and why the game was closed. Whether it's a good bet or not by the players is irrelevant, it's because it's an easy bet to make, more players choose it and now the payoff becomes the problem. The lottery can use an aggregated payoff, but if they still allow the easy to use option, they must warn the player by choosing that option, their payoff will be much less. And that sounds the same as saying you can bet all you want on a number, but will make sure that number isn't drawn.

                      There is a potential to really hurt the lottery's bottom line and the potential to really tick off the winners by paying them 10 cents on the dollar. Changing the payoff structure will make it look like the lottery is preventing players from winning. IMO, simply scrap the game and come up with another one.

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                        "Just pick any number you like." - the dealer.

                        For lottery games, "just pick any numbers" usually means taking the time to fill out a bet slip. If the All or Nothing bet slips just said pick 12 any numbers or pick QP and the terminal will pick the 12 numbers for you, there would be no problem. We've already established betting "all odd" is the same bet as "all even" and it's an easy to use option on the bet slip if a player is trying to win two jackpots.

                        "A bankruped casino closes it's doors."

                        Because the option is on bet slip, it's probably on the terminal too and the process is the same as asking a clerk for a QP. While people are buying gas, junk food, beer, smokes, or soft drinks, they can ask the clerk for either two All or Nothing tickets with "all even" if they are trying to win the jackpot twice, or ask for one with "all even" and one with "all odd". They don't have to even fill out a bet slip.

                        The 1-2-3-4-5 + 6 option is not on the bet slips or the terminals and in the busy stores, the clerks won't manually enter the numbers and will tell the player to fill out a bet slip. Those numbers are still highly played, but even if the first five numbers were drawn in PB with multiple players winning $1 million, there won't be as many players winning twice because the option is not on the bet slip or terminal.

                        If 100 All or Nothing players are betting both ways and apparently they were, Texas could lose $50 million in one drawing and much more if lightning struck a second time. The game would not bankrupt the Texas Lottery, but it could put a huge dent in their overall profits and why the game was closed. Whether it's a good bet or not by the players is irrelevant, it's because it's an easy bet to make, more players choose it and now the payoff becomes the problem. The lottery can use an aggregated payoff, but if they still allow the easy to use option, they must warn the player by choosing that option, their payoff will be much less. And that sounds the same as saying you can bet all you want on a number, but will make sure that number isn't drawn.

                        There is a potential to really hurt the lottery's bottom line and the potential to really tick off the winners by paying them 10 cents on the dollar. Changing the payoff structure will make it look like the lottery is preventing players from winning. IMO, simply scrap the game and come up with another one.

                        Pull the playslip twice through the machine, and you have the same, so it is nonsense twice.

                        I don't know the detailed working of your playslip in your home state, but it would be better not to offer the odd or even option than to include both. That is like playing all red numbers plus all the numbers that are not black and also not zero at roulette. Don't sell people for stupid man!

                        I am not into quickpicks.

                        Of course they cannot pay everyone if all players win at the same time. I wouldn't even mention that!

                        The lottery cannot be hurt, only people may have the impression that they didn't get the cash that they diserved for winning.
                        It seems to me that you guys don't know that the lottery is making business and isn't the wanted gold egg laying goose.

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                          Pull the playslip twice through the machine, and you have the same, so it is nonsense twice.

                          I don't know the detailed working of your playslip in your home state, but it would be better not to offer the odd or even option than to include both. That is like playing all red numbers plus all the numbers that are not black and also not zero at roulette. Don't sell people for stupid man!

                          I am not into quickpicks.

                          Of course they cannot pay everyone if all players win at the same time. I wouldn't even mention that!

                          The lottery cannot be hurt, only people may have the impression that they didn't get the cash that they diserved for winning.
                          It seems to me that you guys don't know that the lottery is making business and isn't the wanted gold egg laying goose.

                          "but it would be better not to offer the odd or even option than to include both."

                          You're half right because they did offer those options to encourage more play, but when they were told how much they could lose on one drawning, they stopped the game.

                          "Don't sell people for stupid man!"

                          The bet is no worse than another bet, but since it's easier to play, it's highly played.

                          "The lottery cannot be hurt,"

                          If the Texas Lottery couldn't be hurt, why did they stop the game?

                          "only people may have the impression that they didn't get the cash that they diserved for winning."

                          You missed the memo because it was a fixed $250,000 jackpot with no limit on how many $250,000 jackpots could win. With 1 in every 4.5 tickets winning something, they didn't leave much room for more than a couple of jackpots a week based on the volume of play. Why shouldn't players expect to be paid their full winnings with no aggregated prize limit?

                          "It seems to me that you guys don't know that the lottery is making business and isn't the wanted gold egg laying goose."

                          We're not debating the lottery profits, but the bad business decision made by the lottery to encourage bets with no limit on the payoff amounts. I don't know of any lottery that will take all bets on games with fixed payoffs; even on pick-3 games. The people that don't understand the lottery is a business are the ones who complain because there is a limit on the number of tickets sold on one combination and the ones complaining about pre-drawing tests.

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                            "but it would be better not to offer the odd or even option than to include both."

                            You're half right because they did offer those options to encourage more play, but when they were told how much they could lose on one drawning, they stopped the game.

                            "Don't sell people for stupid man!"

                            The bet is no worse than another bet, but since it's easier to play, it's highly played.

                            "The lottery cannot be hurt,"

                            If the Texas Lottery couldn't be hurt, why did they stop the game?

                            "only people may have the impression that they didn't get the cash that they diserved for winning."

                            You missed the memo because it was a fixed $250,000 jackpot with no limit on how many $250,000 jackpots could win. With 1 in every 4.5 tickets winning something, they didn't leave much room for more than a couple of jackpots a week based on the volume of play. Why shouldn't players expect to be paid their full winnings with no aggregated prize limit?

                            "It seems to me that you guys don't know that the lottery is making business and isn't the wanted gold egg laying goose."

                            We're not debating the lottery profits, but the bad business decision made by the lottery to encourage bets with no limit on the payoff amounts. I don't know of any lottery that will take all bets on games with fixed payoffs; even on pick-3 games. The people that don't understand the lottery is a business are the ones who complain because there is a limit on the number of tickets sold on one combination and the ones complaining about pre-drawing tests.

                            If the Texas Lottery couldn't be hurt, why did they stop the game?

                            I am not the manager.

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                              If the Texas Lottery couldn't be hurt, why did they stop the game?

                              I am not the manager.

                              I found it interesting that it was G Tech that informed TLC of the possibility of the state of Texas being put into a financial hole if one of the combinations had been drawn. Gary Grief, the person in charge at TLC made the decision at that time to stop sales in order to protect the state.

                              TLC is in business to make a profit. They are NOT in business to make a profit for players. He really had no choice. TLC could not take the chance.

                              I also found it interesting that at the commissioner's meeting the G Tech rep apologized profusely, promising that something like this would never happen again. The commssioners were not a bit happy that this happened.

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