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# Can math and logic improve chances of winning a jackpot?

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I just ran a 4 if 4 of 25 number wheel and it has 1227 combinations. Considering the size of the jackpot and the secondary \$1500 prize, it might not be a bad bet.

The 4 if 4 of 19 would be the highest number of lines I would be will to go @ 325 lines for \$325.

Wheel:  Pick 6 Abbreviated 4 if 4 of 19

Tickets:  325

Description: Minimum 4-number match, if 4 numbers drawn fall within your set of 19 numbers.

Input:  2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38

1. 02-04-06-08-12-34
2. 02-04-06-10-26-36
3. 02-04-06-14-28-30
4. 02-04-06-16-20-36
5. 02-04-06-18-24-32
6. 02-04-06-22-28-38
7. 02-04-08-10-24-28
8. 02-04-08-14-20-26
9. 02-04-08-16-18-28
10. 02-04-08-22-32-36

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Tonight is a big drawing night.

Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 7:29 pm

Eastern Time (GMT-5:00)

• 0
• :
• 08
• :
• 24
• :
• 46

\$43.8 Million

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Tonight is a big drawing night.

Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 7:29 pm

Eastern Time (GMT-5:00)

• 0
• :
• 08
• :
• 24
• :
• 46

\$43.8 Million

After seeing only one of the many predictions on the prediction board last Friday match three, I'm starting to think the PB or MM will be won several more times before OCL is won.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Looks like the record is \$50 million and it's starting to go up by \$1 million a week now......

There have been 1030 Classic Lotto jackpots since January 22, 2007

Largest jackpot \$50.4 Million Occurred on October 24, 2011 \$1 Million Happened 12 times, the last time on December 10, 2011 \$15.23 Million \$400,000 Happened 37 times, the last time on October 10, 2011

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In 6 weeks PB could be back at record territory too.

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I just ran a 4 if 4 of 25 number wheel and it has 1227 combinations. Considering the size of the jackpot and the secondary \$1500 prize, it might not be a bad bet.

Yes especially if you wouldn't feel foolish after spending \$1227 and only matching 3 for \$2 or worst winning nothing.  \$20 is the max I can spend and not feel foolish about winning nothing or very little.

Besides, I ran a program that based on previous drawings predicts at least four of the numbers of the winning combination will be in these positions:

1) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 20
2) 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 24 29
3) 5 14 15 17 18 19 21 23 25 28 30 31
4) 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 34 36 39
5) 27 30 31 33 34 36 37 38 44
6) 39 40 41 45 46 47 48 49

and it's hard to wheel that many lines that stay within those parameters.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Yes especially if you wouldn't feel foolish after spending \$1227 and only matching 3 for \$2 or worst winning nothing.  \$20 is the max I can spend and not feel foolish about winning nothing or very little.

Besides, I ran a program that based on previous drawings predicts at least four of the numbers of the winning combination will be in these positions:

1) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 20
2) 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 24 29
3) 5 14 15 17 18 19 21 23 25 28 30 31
4) 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 34 36 39
5) 27 30 31 33 34 36 37 38 44
6) 39 40 41 45 46 47 48 49

and it's hard to wheel that many lines that stay within those parameters.

1) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 20
2) 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 24 29
3) 5 14 15 17 18 19 21 23 25 28 30 31
4) 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 34 36 39
5) 27 30 31 33 34 36 37 38 44
6) 39 40 41 45 46 47 48 49

Winning numbers were 22 25 29 31 36 45 and only three were in predicted positions and I didn't even match them.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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 Posted: August 19, 2013, 8:30 pm - IP Logged

And only two were even numbers.

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The Jackpot is almost \$44 million now, or is it \$45?

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I think I will reverse the order of the wheel input and try again.......

Abbreviated 4 if 4 of 19

Tickets:  325

Description:  Minimum 4-number match, if 4 numbers drawn fall within your set of 19 numbers.

Input:  38, 36, 34, 32, 30, 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2

1. 06-28-32-34-36-38
2. 04-14-30-34-36-38
3. 10-12-26-34-36-38
4. 04-20-24-34-36-38
5. 08-16-22-34-36-38
6. 02-12-18-34-36-38
7. 12-16-30-32-36-38
8. 14-20-26-32-36-38
9. 12-22-24-32-36-38
10. 04-08-18-32-36-38
11. 04-08-10-32-36-38

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Perhaps it will get to \$44 million by Wed. night?

 Wed, Aug 21, 2013 \$43.9 Million \$100,000 Mon, Aug 19, 2013 \$43.8 Million \$300,000 Sat, Aug 17, 2013 \$43.5 Million \$200,000 Wed, Aug 14, 2013 \$43.3 Million \$200,000 Mon, Aug 12, 2013 \$43.1 Million \$200,000 Sat, Aug 10, 2013 \$42.9 Million \$200,000 Wed, Aug 7, 2013 \$42.7 Million \$200,000 Mon, Aug 5, 2013 \$42.5 Million \$300,000 Sat, Aug 3, 2013 \$42.2 Million \$200,000 Wed, Jul 31, 2013 \$42 Million \$100,000
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1) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 20
2) 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 24 29
3) 5 14 15 17 18 19 21 23 25 28 30 31
4) 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 34 36 39
5) 27 30 31 33 34 36 37 38 44
6) 39 40 41 45 46 47 48 49

Winning numbers were 22 25 29 31 36 45 and only three were in predicted positions and I didn't even match them.

Seeing this reminded me that I used to keep track of numbers playing by position for all the jackpot games in Tx and MM and PB. I never got close to winning anything with that system and when my old computer crashed it took all those files with it, I never tried to rebuild them.

CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR \$2)

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Yes especially if you wouldn't feel foolish after spending \$1227 and only matching 3 for \$2 or worst winning nothing.  \$20 is the max I can spend and not feel foolish about winning nothing or very little.

Besides, I ran a program that based on previous drawings predicts at least four of the numbers of the winning combination will be in these positions:

1) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 20
2) 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 24 29
3) 5 14 15 17 18 19 21 23 25 28 30 31
4) 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 34 36 39
5) 27 30 31 33 34 36 37 38 44
6) 39 40 41 45 46 47 48 49

and it's hard to wheel that many lines that stay within those parameters.

"and it's hard to wheel that many lines that stay within those parameters."

It would be very difficult for an individual to play that many numbers and lines using a positional wheel and just as difficult using the large line wheel I suggested.

I bought an external DVD/writer drive still in the box at a yard sale for \$2 and copied all the lottery programs from a PC I used over 12 years ago. There was a 4 if 4 of 25 number wheel for the WVA Cash 25 game and the combos were exactly the same as the 25 number wheel I ran using covermaster the other day. Those large number wheels were designed for syndicate play that where popular then. The same wheels could be used today on PB or MM, but because of the payoff structures, it would be difficult finding a large number of players who would put up \$20 a drawing to win 50 cents.

If those syndicates are still in existence today, they are probably going after state lotto games with midsize jackpots and much better secondary prizes.

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Nice work Stack, so far it doesn't look like anyone can pick 25 numbers and hit anyway.

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I think I will reverse the order of the wheel input and try again.......

Abbreviated 4 if 4 of 19

Tickets:  325

Description:  Minimum 4-number match, if 4 numbers drawn fall within your set of 19 numbers.

Input:  38, 36, 34, 32, 30, 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2

1. 06-28-32-34-36-38
2. 04-14-30-34-36-38
3. 10-12-26-34-36-38
4. 04-20-24-34-36-38
5. 08-16-22-34-36-38
6. 02-12-18-34-36-38
7. 12-16-30-32-36-38
8. 14-20-26-32-36-38
9. 12-22-24-32-36-38
10. 04-08-18-32-36-38
11. 04-08-10-32-36-38

Looking at the output and because of the wheel design, the first five number are in the first line. So if you go low to high, you'll have lines with four or more low numbers and you go high to low, you'll have four or high numbers the same line. It would be very difficult to get a consistent number distribution using a large combo wheel, but you don't want to have several lines with four numbers from the same decade or four consecutive numbers either.

I don't want to argue with the math critics that 1-2-3-4-5-6 has the same odds of being drawn as any other combo, but because more combinations have three or less numbers from the same decade, consecutive, or last number, there is better probability the results will have that type of number distribution. There will be drawings with all even or all odd numbers too, but a huge majority of the drawings will have between 1 and 5 even numbers and the majority will have between 2 and 4.

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