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Can math and logic improve chances of winning a jackpot?

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Posted: March 17, 2013, 10:58 pm - IP Logged

When you and others are firmly convinced of something, don't you think it would make more sense to entitle your threads with a declaration of your convictions, rather than query others for their opinion?

No.

Based on your triple team efforts here, it's obvious you've set out to suppress my suggestion that Lottery System proponents should provide Backtest and/or Simulation support for their claims.  As I said earlier, I don't know how you people sleep at night.

Suggest as much as you want, no one is trying to suppress anything you post.  Don't take it personal if others continue to pick the combinations they play their own way, your opinions don't effect how they choose to play.

Good luck to you.

Suppress was the wrong word RJOh.  "Divert attention from my points" would be closer to what I wanted to say.  Even here, you are trying to change the narrative to how people are going to pick combinations in the future, which is a diversion from my goal of helping people see how simulating and backtesting their system ideas might help them answer the questions they so often ask about them.

I get your message that what I'm proposing does not interest or appeal to you.  It's a shame, since you apparently have the skills to pursue it, but that's your choice.  Good luck to you too.

--Jimmy4164

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    Posted: March 18, 2013, 8:17 am - IP Logged

    How about a quick pick?


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      How about a quick pick?

      Whats a quick pick?

      I dont know why one needs a computer to make an incorrect decision for them.

      Is it so hard and extensively time consuming to think of 1 2 3 4 5?

      If that one is too long and time consuming, try,   20 21 22 23 24.

      I use logic all the time playing online.  I say "if that terminal is down, then try a different store"


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        Why don't you ask him how he did it?

        He wont say fully.  Its proprietary.

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          He wont say fully.  Its proprietary.

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            Whats a quick pick?

            I dont know why one needs a computer to make an incorrect decision for them.

            Is it so hard and extensively time consuming to think of 1 2 3 4 5?

            If that one is too long and time consuming, try,   20 21 22 23 24.

            I use logic all the time playing online.  I say "if that terminal is down, then try a different store"

            Maybe you don't want a computer but a smartphone or a tablet maybe?

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              Posted: March 18, 2013, 3:22 pm - IP Logged

              Where are you coming up with this nonsense?  You can't back test the future regardless of what you believe.  And who said you had to be a computer programmer to win a lottery jack pot?  You are trying to high jack this thread and make it something it's not.

              Of course he's trying to high jack your thread by probably using the same theme he uses in every other thread he responded to.

              "Maybe I'm wrong but I assume players coming to LP have graduated beyond the casual lottery player buying some quick picks and doesn't care about the mix of combinations on them."

              In the past, the high jacker wanted us all to believe it's illogical to try to improve our chances in any lottery game even though the concept of having this forum is for discussing improving chances. The reason I said "probably" using the same old tired theme is because I've blocked his boring posts and and the quotes from his posts others respond to.

              Just based on past performance alone, it's easy to see who is trying to high jack this thread.

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                Whats a quick pick?

                I dont know why one needs a computer to make an incorrect decision for them.

                Is it so hard and extensively time consuming to think of 1 2 3 4 5?

                If that one is too long and time consuming, try,   20 21 22 23 24.

                I use logic all the time playing online.  I say "if that terminal is down, then try a different store"

                I dont know why one needs a computer to make an incorrect decision for them.

                Sounds like you believe computers are making decisions on their own rather than following a set of instructions and using data entered by their users.

                For me, it's easier and faster to use a computer to check my picks to make sure they aren't repeating combinations already drawn or duplicating themselves and avoiding other features I don't want them to have.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  Of course he's trying to high jack your thread by probably using the same theme he uses in every other thread he responded to.

                  "Maybe I'm wrong but I assume players coming to LP have graduated beyond the casual lottery player buying some quick picks and doesn't care about the mix of combinations on them."

                  In the past, the high jacker wanted us all to believe it's illogical to try to improve our chances in any lottery game even though the concept of having this forum is for discussing improving chances. The reason I said "probably" using the same old tired theme is because I've blocked his boring posts and and the quotes from his posts others respond to.

                  Just based on past performance alone, it's easy to see who is trying to high jack this thread.

                  Stack47,

                  Hi Jack!

                  The title of this thread is,

                  "Can math and logic improve chances of winning a jackpot?"

                  Looks like a question to me.

                  I say the answer is NO, based on pure logic and mathematics.  I have supported my answer.

                  For people like you who think the answer is YES but have not proven it, I suggest that computerized backtests and simulations are the easiest way for you to proceed.  Rather than go away and do the work necessary to support your beliefs, you try to obfuscate my posts and claim I am Hi-Jacking the thread.  WHY?

                  Could you please give us at least one convincing reason why you're resisting backtests and/or simulations?

                  --Jimmy4164

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                    Stack47,

                    Hi Jack!

                    The title of this thread is,

                    "Can math and logic improve chances of winning a jackpot?"

                    Looks like a question to me.

                    I say the answer is NO, based on pure logic and mathematics.  I have supported my answer.

                    For people like you who think the answer is YES but have not proven it, I suggest that computerized backtests and simulations are the easiest way for you to proceed.  Rather than go away and do the work necessary to support your beliefs, you try to obfuscate my posts and claim I am Hi-Jacking the thread.  WHY?

                    Could you please give us at least one convincing reason why you're resisting backtests and/or simulations?

                    --Jimmy4164

                    The reason why you can't win is because the lottery and the state and the retailers and ... are all eating of your lemon cake.

                    Lemon pie yummy

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                      RJOh wrote:  "I've matched 5of6 twice, once in 2002 and again last month."

                      Greenfox wrote:  "Oh, cool. Congratulations!!! [....] I think the odds in the Ohio classic is around 1 in 50,000  of matching 5 of 6.  [....] Sounds like you already beat the odds.  [....] I don't think there has been 50,000 draws pass since you hit twice has there. LOL."

                      You seem to be easily impressed, and you misunderstand the statistics.

                      First, the Internet is full of people who make unverifiable claims just to stroke their ego, even if there is no financial gain.

                      Second, there does not have to be 50,000 [sic] drawings in order to match 5-of-6 in two separate drawings.

                      For the Ohio Classic 6/49 lottery [1], there were about 1581 to 1747 drawings between some time in 2002 and some time in Feb 2013 [2].

                      If RJOh bought only 1 ticket per drawing, the chances of matching 5-of-6 twice are between 1-in-1989 and 1-in-2422, based on the binomial distribution [3].

                      However, if RJOh bought 8 tickets per drawing with 48 unique 5-tuples, the chances of matching 5-of-6 twice are between 1-in-39 and 1-in-46.

                      And since RJOh assumes that "players coming to LP have graduated beyond the casual lottery player", my guess is that RJOh buys more than just 8 tickets per drawing.

                       

                       

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                      [1] I assume RJOh won the Ohio Classic twice, because Powerball and MegaMillions do not have a 5-of-6 prize category per se.

                      [2] I am just counting the number of Mon, Wed and Sat dates.  I am not checking to see if there were any missed drawings for any reason.

                      [3] In Excel, =1/BINOMDIST(2,1581,1/54201,0), for example.  Instead of 1/54201, I use the exact probability, namely COMBIN(6,5)*43/COMBIN(49,6).

                      Naw, It takes quite a bit for me to be impressed. That was actually a very happy that he, (and everyone else that wins) won.

                      I know what the human brain is capable of, so it's got nothing to do with impressed. I'm just actually happy for him that he got another win.

                      The statistics are a little different than the odds are. They are marked as to what the Lotteries say they are, and that was what I was talking about. According to their odds, he did better than they say they are. Their odds are more like a commercial on TV than anything to me. Putting something out there to stay in the back of our minds pretty much is what they are to me. The odds to me, are like the odds on everything else. 50/50. Either we will win or we won't. With every coming game, we will or will not win. No other odds matter to me.

                      Statistics, while somewhat useful in these games, I never use them. I don't care what they are or what the odds are. None of that makes one bit of difference to me. Getting the win is all I and most others are looking for. With a million or a multi-million dollar win once is more than I'll need, and the need to do it again makes no difference to me after that. If RJOH, myself or anyone else gets that win, I don't much think any of us will care if anyone thinks it was luck or even if we do.

                      Sure It'd be nice to know that we did it with what we worked on for so long, but in the end, does it really matter. In our minds what we see when we all work on these games, we pretty much have an idea of how what we are doing is leading us to where we want to be with the numbers.  We pretty much know with the work we do on them if it's getting close or if the numbers are there when the draw's done. I don't reckon it matters much how any of us come up with the winning numbers, as long as they are visibly within reach and showing on what ever way we are working on them then there is a chance. And that chance to us, is more important to us than a quick pick. Plain and simple. If someone likes quick picks, by all means, lay it to em. It makes no difference to anyone but whoever buys them. I enjoy working with the games and seeing what I'M capable of. Just like the rest that choose to spend time working on them. We do so because it's a challenge and we want to know if we can do it. That's what this site is for. For people with the like interest of working on these games to see what can be done.

                      So who cares and what difference does it make if anyone wants to fiddle with the games and try to win. What difference do the statistics make, or the math, or the system? As long as one comes up with a win, or at the least has some fun, then what difference does it really make?

                      The thing about statistics is kind of like one of my trips to Harrahs Cherokee casino. A boy walks in, the first time he's ever gambled in his life. Had actually just turned 21 and was old enough to play. About 20 minutes into his playing won a large $45,000.00, got his money and left. First time. I don't know what the statistics or odds was on that happening. I'm sure he didn't care what they where either.

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                      When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

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                        I don't know but if they can I would like to be the first to prove it.

                        Sorry RJOH, you know how threads go on the LP. If your lucky, a very few actually contribute and the rest...well....

                        Good topic.

                        I am of the opinion that math can definetly give you an edge over everone else. It has given me a higher ratio of wins over losses than any other method.

                        There are so many pros here, I'm sure anything I would have to suggust would simply be meager and meaningless. *L*

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                          I don't know but if they can I would like to be the first to prove it.

                          I figure math & logic can't make my chances any worse, so no harm in giving that angle a try.

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                            "Can math and logic improve chances of winning a jackpot?"   

                             

                                                                                                    Of course !   Thinking of... 

                             

                                                                            Math and logic = Probability

                                                                                                                      .......and playing the probabilities improve your chances of winning in the long run.  

                             

                             

                             

                            The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                          Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                          Odds never change .....but probability does. 

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                              If I play today, Then I probabaly will win, (or I might lose.) and i will be pissed.

                                 
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