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Should a winning system be posted on the LP?

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Should a winning system be posted on the LP?

Don't post a winning system? [ 41 ]  [34.75%]
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Beggars can't be choosers.

Prov. If someone gives you something you asked for, you should not complain about what you get. I asked Joe to lend me his bicycle, and he sent me this old, rusty one. But beggars can't be choosers. Jill: Let me wear your green dress; I don't like the blue one you lent me. Jane: Beggars can't be choosers.
There are enough systems floating around for those who do not want to put in the time and work to create thier own. And those who do put in the time and work to create thier systems have every right to protect them from lottery system panhandlers.
As for me, I am always greatful for any helping info I get from the LP and its menbers, but I don't coerce people or expect it.

Jill: Let me wear your green dress; I don't like the blue one you lent me. Jane: Beggars can't be choosers.

 

why would Jill wanna wear a dress she didn't like?

why would you eat anything you didn't want just because it was there, you wouldn't!

this makes no since what your sayingCrazy

i thought the purpose of the Lottery post is to SHARE ideas, and etc,etc,etc...

yes i agree there are a few good posters here and many that are not here that have shared in the past.

if no one wants to share anything they don't have to.

Should a winning system be posted on the LP?

why would you even make this thread if you didn't want responce's to it.

i think the main issue was you saying you got a message from a Lottery Official on here which you can't or won't prove so why say it.???No Pity!

Let it Snow Snowman

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     I got a bit of a shock last week. I posted a thread on the LP and within minutes I recieved a reply from a lottery official. It confirmed my long suspicion that the lotteries are paying attention to what is posted on the LP.

     

    here it is in case you forgot what you wrote.LOL

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      Jill: Let me wear your green dress; I don't like the blue one you lent me. Jane: Beggars can't be choosers.

       

      why would Jill wanna wear a dress she didn't like?

      why would you eat anything you didn't want just because it was there, you wouldn't!

      this makes no since what your sayingCrazy

      i thought the purpose of the Lottery post is to SHARE ideas, and etc,etc,etc...

      yes i agree there are a few good posters here and many that are not here that have shared in the past.

      if no one wants to share anything they don't have to.

      Should a winning system be posted on the LP?

      why would you even make this thread if you didn't want responce's to it.

      i think the main issue was you saying you got a message from a Lottery Official on here which you can't or won't prove so why say it.???No Pity!

      As to why I posted this thread.....

        To remind people that the info that they supply can be misused. From a lottery standpoint, a changing in the way predraws are handled (or whatever other ways the has to vary the outcomes of the draws) that would nullify the effectiveness of thier system. And later, that events like what happened to WinD should be on thier mind when posting information. Sometimes people forget that they can be robbed and sometimes don't take the necessary precautions to avoid it.

        If you told me something in private, I'm sure the last thing you would want is to it on some public form. I respect privacy and will not release the information, period.

      You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

      Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

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        As to why I posted this thread.....

          To remind people that the info that they supply can be misused. From a lottery standpoint, a changing in the way predraws are handled (or whatever other ways the has to vary the outcomes of the draws) that would nullify the effectiveness of thier system. And later, that events like what happened to WinD should be on thier mind when posting information. Sometimes people forget that they can be robbed and sometimes don't take the necessary precautions to avoid it.

          If you told me something in private, I'm sure the last thing you would want is to it on some public form. I respect privacy and will not release the information, period.

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          Stack47,

          Would an innocuous "reply from a lottery official" prompt YOU to initiate a Poll Thread about WINNING lottery systems?

          Would YOU refuse to reveal what the "lottery official" said to you?

          --Jimmy4164

          P.S.  What's your day job?

          "Would an innocuous "reply from a lottery official" prompt YOU to initiate a Poll Thread about WINNING lottery systems?"

          I would if they asked me to post the poll in exchange for an official State Lottery tee shirt and ball cap!

          "Would YOU refuse to reveal what the "lottery official" said to you?"

          Only if they asked about my "day job".

          JKING has been really vocal about the PB pari-mutual payoffs so it's possible someone from the Cali Lottery wanted to explain it was decided through legislation.

          As for the poll, since Cali pays off by pari-mutually, a winning system would only effect the size of the prizes, increase ticket sales, and add to the pick-3 profits.

          You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

           

          PS. Do you believe pre-drawing test effect drawings designed to be random?


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            "Would an innocuous "reply from a lottery official" prompt YOU to initiate a Poll Thread about WINNING lottery systems?"

            I would if they asked me to post the poll in exchange for an official State Lottery tee shirt and ball cap!

            "Would YOU refuse to reveal what the "lottery official" said to you?"

            Only if they asked about my "day job".

            JKING has been really vocal about the PB pari-mutual payoffs so it's possible someone from the Cali Lottery wanted to explain it was decided through legislation.

            As for the poll, since Cali pays off by pari-mutually, a winning system would only effect the size of the prizes, increase ticket sales, and add to the pick-3 profits.

            You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

             

            PS. Do you believe pre-drawing test effect drawings designed to be random?

            Stack47,

            After all your sidestepping and hedging above, you still haven't addressed the fact that JKING wanted us to BELIEVE that a "lottery official" intimated something regarding "Winning Systems."  As long as you refuse to discuss your credentials, it can only be assumed you have something to hide.

            You asked, "Do you believe pre-drawing test effect drawings designed to be random?"

            Computerized Draws:
            My very first post at LP addressed the issue of the seeding of pseudorandom number generators.  If a truly random process is not used to seed the pseudorandom generators that make the draws, I would not trust the draws to be immune from fraud.  As for pre-draws, if the seeds are truly random for each event (Draw), they would be of no consequence.  If the seeds are fixed in the program, or selected by the programmers or operators, Pre-Draws are a moot point, but there still is a problem, in my opinion.  Since we (the masses) can't be sure how the RNGs are programmed and seeded, I don't trust them.  BTW, if you think you can exploit this potential flaw, just remember that if the programmers are smart enough to install the necessary code, undetected, to produce draws that THEY will know in advance, TRUST ME, they will NOT do it in a way that will allow YOU to profit, unless you are in on the scam.

            Mechanical Ball Machines:
            If the ball sets are meticulously scrutinized to ensure they are of uniform size and weight, and the machines are maintained to provide flawless ball dispersion and distribution, Pre-Draws should be of no consequence.  The most efficient way to test the balls and machines is through Pre-Draws, observed by several people and recorded.  For security, this process should occur immediately preceding the official taped and televised draw.  If these conditions are met, I am not concerned that the official draw could somehow be effected by this process, unless you manage to control and measure it by infusing life into Pascal's Demon!  Smile

            Note:
            Since Pseudo RNGs produce repeatable sequences based on the seed, they are useful for debugging the software.  Once the program is debugged, Pseudo-RNGs can be easily modified to be as TRULY random as desired.  I used to use the low order bits of the OS clock to kick the RNG a random number of times between each call to the routine that returned a random value.  Varying pressure and/or temperature values can be used for this purpose if they're available to the program.

            --Jimmy4164

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              Stack47,

              After all your sidestepping and hedging above, you still haven't addressed the fact that JKING wanted us to BELIEVE that a "lottery official" intimated something regarding "Winning Systems."  As long as you refuse to discuss your credentials, it can only be assumed you have something to hide.

              You asked, "Do you believe pre-drawing test effect drawings designed to be random?"

              Computerized Draws:
              My very first post at LP addressed the issue of the seeding of pseudorandom number generators.  If a truly random process is not used to seed the pseudorandom generators that make the draws, I would not trust the draws to be immune from fraud.  As for pre-draws, if the seeds are truly random for each event (Draw), they would be of no consequence.  If the seeds are fixed in the program, or selected by the programmers or operators, Pre-Draws are a moot point, but there still is a problem, in my opinion.  Since we (the masses) can't be sure how the RNGs are programmed and seeded, I don't trust them.  BTW, if you think you can exploit this potential flaw, just remember that if the programmers are smart enough to install the necessary code, undetected, to produce draws that THEY will know in advance, TRUST ME, they will NOT do it in a way that will allow YOU to profit, unless you are in on the scam.

              Mechanical Ball Machines:
              If the ball sets are meticulously scrutinized to ensure they are of uniform size and weight, and the machines are maintained to provide flawless ball dispersion and distribution, Pre-Draws should be of no consequence.  The most efficient way to test the balls and machines is through Pre-Draws, observed by several people and recorded.  For security, this process should occur immediately preceding the official taped and televised draw.  If these conditions are met, I am not concerned that the official draw could somehow be effected by this process, unless you manage to control and measure it by infusing life into Pascal's Demon!  Smile

              Note:
              Since Pseudo RNGs produce repeatable sequences based on the seed, they are useful for debugging the software.  Once the program is debugged, Pseudo-RNGs can be easily modified to be as TRULY random as desired.  I used to use the low order bits of the OS clock to kick the RNG a random number of times between each call to the routine that returned a random value.  Varying pressure and/or temperature values can be used for this purpose if they're available to the program.

              --Jimmy4164

              "you still haven't addressed the fact that JKING wanted us to BELIEVE that a "lottery official" intimated something regarding "Winning Systems.

              The payoffs for matching 5 + 0 in all MM states except California is $250,000. Cali just joined PB and the PB 5 + 0 payoff in the other states is $1 million. Because Cali payoffs are pari-mutual, in some drawings matching five numbers will pay considerably less. If there are no winners, the prize rolls to the next drawing and if there is only one winner, the prizes should be more than $250,000 and $1 million. If there are two or more winners, the prizes will be less.

              http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/260140

              If a Lottery official did contact JKING, it was probably to explain the California Lottery payouts were legislated so they could guarantee a 35% profit on all ticket sales. The only relevance to this poll is that since a Cali lottery official is monitoring this site, it's possible other state lottery officials are too. 

              I believe the this poll would be more relevant if it asked "Would you post a winning system on LP if you knew the IRS was monitoring this site?". 

              "I am not concerned that the official draw could somehow be effected by this process"

              My question was off topic, but it is something many LP members would like state lottery officials to explain. Knowing the results of pre-drawing tests would have more of a psychological effect on players similar to a Roulette player seeing several of their pet numbers on the results board before they played or noticing they hit a half hour after they quit playing.


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                Stack47,

                You still haven't addressed the fact that JKING wanted us to BELIEVE that a "lottery official" intimated something regarding "Winning Systems."  Does your reticence have something to do with your day job?

                --Jimmy4164


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                  Stack47,

                  After all your sidestepping and hedging above, you still haven't addressed the fact that JKING wanted us to BELIEVE that a "lottery official" intimated something regarding "Winning Systems."  As long as you refuse to discuss your credentials, it can only be assumed you have something to hide.

                  You asked, "Do you believe pre-drawing test effect drawings designed to be random?"

                  Computerized Draws:
                  My very first post at LP addressed the issue of the seeding of pseudorandom number generators.  If a truly random process is not used to seed the pseudorandom generators that make the draws, I would not trust the draws to be immune from fraud.  As for pre-draws, if the seeds are truly random for each event (Draw), they would be of no consequence.  If the seeds are fixed in the program, or selected by the programmers or operators, Pre-Draws are a moot point, but there still is a problem, in my opinion.  Since we (the masses) can't be sure how the RNGs are programmed and seeded, I don't trust them.  BTW, if you think you can exploit this potential flaw, just remember that if the programmers are smart enough to install the necessary code, undetected, to produce draws that THEY will know in advance, TRUST ME, they will NOT do it in a way that will allow YOU to profit, unless you are in on the scam.

                  Mechanical Ball Machines:
                  If the ball sets are meticulously scrutinized to ensure they are of uniform size and weight, and the machines are maintained to provide flawless ball dispersion and distribution, Pre-Draws should be of no consequence.  The most efficient way to test the balls and machines is through Pre-Draws, observed by several people and recorded.  For security, this process should occur immediately preceding the official taped and televised draw.  If these conditions are met, I am not concerned that the official draw could somehow be effected by this process, unless you manage to control and measure it by infusing life into Pascal's Demon!  Smile

                  Note:
                  Since Pseudo RNGs produce repeatable sequences based on the seed, they are useful for debugging the software.  Once the program is debugged, Pseudo-RNGs can be easily modified to be as TRULY random as desired.  I used to use the low order bits of the OS clock to kick the RNG a random number of times between each call to the routine that returned a random value.  Varying pressure and/or temperature values can be used for this purpose if they're available to the program.

                  --Jimmy4164

                  unless you manage to control and measure it by infusing life into Pascal's Demon!  Smile

                  Careful Jammy, Pascal's Demon is a friend of mine. He will show you the folly of your skepticism and lead you to despair and confusion.


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                    Stack47,

                    You still haven't addressed the fact that JKING wanted us to BELIEVE that a "lottery official" intimated something regarding "Winning Systems."  Does your reticence have something to do with your day job?

                    --Jimmy4164

                    Wow Jammy, don't lose your cool........ It would be a first. Yes Nod

                    The topics OP did NOT say the contact by the lottery official was because of a winning system. He merely stated that he was contacted, and then went on to talk about how they are watching and winning systems should not be posted....... Try to stay calm bro.... its what makes you The Rocket Man........

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                      Stack47,

                      You still haven't addressed the fact that JKING wanted us to BELIEVE that a "lottery official" intimated something regarding "Winning Systems."  Does your reticence have something to do with your day job?

                      --Jimmy4164

                      I found one recent comment in the Systems Forum and it was made in January.

                      "That's alot of work. How is it tracking against actual draws? I'll bet you will get better results if an 80/20 distribution method is inclused as a reduction criteria to your intial solutions."

                      Does that look like something that would cause a California Lottery official to PM somebody about a system?

                      Follow along, Barney Fife and if you do, I'll give you another bullet. There were several recent threads discussing California entering PB including one started by JKING. http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/260140 and http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/260077 started by another member.

                      Just based on the thread titles, do you think it's more likely a lottery official contacted JKING about a system or the contents of those two threads?

                      "I posted a thread on the LP and within minutes I recieved a reply from a lottery official. It confirmed my long suspicion that the lotteries are paying attention to what is posted on the LP."

                      Clue number 1) I posted a thread.

                      Clue number 2) The name of the thread, "California - Highway Robbery in Progress"

                      Clue number 3) "the lotteries are paying attention to what is posted on the LP"

                      There is nothing there suggesting JKING was contacted about any system. I was kidding when I called you Barney Fife, but now I'm not sure.

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                        Really guys, all this speculation.

                        It misses the whole point of the thread which I've tried to explain in my previous responses.

                        You can't depend on your judgment when your imagination is out of focus.         - Mark Twain's Notebook (Harper and Brothers, 1935), p. 344.

                        Your welocome to continue, but it has little more than entertainment value without the actual facts.

                        I do thank all of you for interest and comments in this thread.

                        You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

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                          Really guys, all this speculation.

                          It misses the whole point of the thread which I've tried to explain in my previous responses.

                          You can't depend on your judgment when your imagination is out of focus.         - Mark Twain's Notebook (Harper and Brothers, 1935), p. 344.

                          Your welocome to continue, but it has little more than entertainment value without the actual facts.

                          I do thank all of you for interest and comments in this thread.

                          It looks like the nays have it!!

                          I ultimately voted yes.  There are no quick systems.  Only intelligent ways at looking at numbers.

                          I guess if I do come up with a system to sell, I would have to give it the most vile, disgusting and pornographic name I could come up with.

                          That way everybody would be afraid to copy it.Jester Laugh

                           

                          Well I guess its like PT Barnum said.  There is a sucker born every minute!

                          I am not worried about anybody stealing my "system" or "technique" because I know I will hit that F#%&ER!!!!

                          Even if its the last thing I do on my dying deathbed!!  GOD FORBID!!!


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                            I found one recent comment in the Systems Forum and it was made in January.

                            "That's alot of work. How is it tracking against actual draws? I'll bet you will get better results if an 80/20 distribution method is inclused as a reduction criteria to your intial solutions."

                            Does that look like something that would cause a California Lottery official to PM somebody about a system?

                            Follow along, Barney Fife and if you do, I'll give you another bullet. There were several recent threads discussing California entering PB including one started by JKING. http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/260140 and http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/260077 started by another member.

                            Just based on the thread titles, do you think it's more likely a lottery official contacted JKING about a system or the contents of those two threads?

                            "I posted a thread on the LP and within minutes I recieved a reply from a lottery official. It confirmed my long suspicion that the lotteries are paying attention to what is posted on the LP."

                            Clue number 1) I posted a thread.

                            Clue number 2) The name of the thread, "California - Highway Robbery in Progress"

                            Clue number 3) "the lotteries are paying attention to what is posted on the LP"

                            There is nothing there suggesting JKING was contacted about any system. I was kidding when I called you Barney Fife, but now I'm not sure.

                            Stack47 asked, "Just based on the thread titles, do you think it's more likely a lottery official contacted JKING about a system or the contents of those two threads?"

                            That's hard to say, but since he seems to know a lot about what's going on inside JKING's head, I'm surprised he would ask.

                            I originally thought he picked up his gambling jargon from experience as a casino "worker."  But as time goes on, I'm more inclined to attribute his knowledge to a stint as a grifter in a circus card game.

                            I wonder if he ever gets confused while posting here?

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                              Stack47 asked, "Just based on the thread titles, do you think it's more likely a lottery official contacted JKING about a system or the contents of those two threads?"

                              That's hard to say, but since he seems to know a lot about what's going on inside JKING's head, I'm surprised he would ask.

                              I originally thought he picked up his gambling jargon from experience as a casino "worker."  But as time goes on, I'm more inclined to attribute his knowledge to a stint as a grifter in a circus card game.

                              I wonder if he ever gets confused while posting here?

                              Confused

                              I gave a link to the most recent thread started by JKING and asked  "Does that look like something that would cause a California Lottery official to PM somebody about a system?"

                              "That's hard to say, but since he seems to know a lot about what's going on inside JKING's head, I'm surprised he would ask."

                              I know you're not the sharpest knife in drawer, but even you should be able to figure it all out especially after two other members and JIKING explained it. You asked me  why "JKING wanted us to BELIEVE that a "lottery official" intimated something regarding "Winning Systems.", but even you should know I can't say for a fact a lottery official contacted them and if they did what it was about. At best I can only evaluate the same information everyone read and it's obvious you're not capable of comprehending it.

                              "I originally thought he picked up his gambling jargon from experience as a casino "worker."

                              You also thought a lottery official contacted JKING about a winning system BEFORE JKING even mentioned a winning system. Did someone give you a sugar cube a few years ago?

                                 
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