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Posted: November 27, 2014, 10:44 am - IP Logged

According to the MMC website, 14 tickets worth a million dollars each were won on 11/7/14, yet only 6 winners have come forward. I wonder if these folks are even aware of the fact that that they have a winning ticket? I hope they come forward before misplacing the ticket or allowing it to expire!

Interesting observation. Brings into question whether many players understand the $1 million raffle part of the game - if many don't, the MMC game is already doomed, since the raffle is an important aspect of the game to make it standout from other large jackpot (aka "top prize") games that sell at lower price-points.

As for unclaimed winners. Will MMC participating states with winners will aggressively seek them out?... On the one hand, not doing so could yield the MUSL and participating states "extra" money. But on the other hand, could call into question the ethics and integrity of the MSUL and the participating lotteries...

Reason I say that is many tickets, likely including some winning $1 million ones, were entered into the Vegas trip giveaway. In effect, some of the unclaimed $1 million dollar winners are essentially registered tickets with the MSUL and respective participating states already knowing the identity of those winners.

Be interesting to see how the MSUL and participating states handle the "registered" ticket aspect for unclaimed tickets - wouldn't be surprised to see possible litigation regarding this issue, which may not bother MSUL / states, but could be problematic for Hasbro, owner of the Monopoly brand. In the zillion of pages of MMC documents, is the "registered" ticket / unclaimed winners issue ever addressed?

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    Posted: November 27, 2014, 10:57 am - IP Logged

    Interesting observation. Brings into question whether many players understand the $1 million raffle part of the game - if many don't, the MMC game is already doomed, since the raffle is an important aspect of the game to make it standout from other large jackpot (aka "top prize") games that sell at lower price-points.

    As for unclaimed winners. Will MMC participating states with winners will aggressively seek them out?... On the one hand, not doing so could yield the MUSL and participating states "extra" money. But on the other hand, could call into question the ethics and integrity of the MSUL and the participating lotteries...

    Reason I say that is many tickets, likely including some winning $1 million ones, were entered into the Vegas trip giveaway. In effect, some of the unclaimed $1 million dollar winners are essentially registered tickets with the MSUL and respective participating states already knowing the identity of those winners.

    Be interesting to see how the MSUL and participating states handle the "registered" ticket aspect for unclaimed tickets - wouldn't be surprised to see possible litigation regarding this issue, which may not bother MSUL / states, but could be problematic for Hasbro, owner of the Monopoly brand. In the zillion of pages of MMC documents, is the "registered" ticket / unclaimed winners issue ever addressed?

    Reason I say that is many tickets, likely including some winning $1 million ones, were entered into the Vegas trip giveaway. In effect, some of the unclaimed $1 million dollar winners are essentially registered tickets with the MSUL and respective participating states already knowing the identity of those winners.

    Be interesting to see how the MSUL and participating states handle the "registered" ticket aspect for unclaimed tickets - wouldn't be surprised to see possible litigation regarding this issue, which may not bother MSUL / states, but could be problematic for Hasbro, owner of the Monopoly brand. In the zillion of pages of MMC documents, is the "registered" ticket / unclaimed winners issue ever addressed?

    I don't think the states know the identity of the winners; as far as I know, both the webcode and the MCP number are hashed separately for each ticket and neither contain information about the other. Also, I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to access individual entries. Nobody knows until the second-chance drawing, when 6ish winners will be chosen. Only then will they know names and addresses. Otherwise it would create a conflict of interest because they would be able to weed out MMC winners from the game show or vice versa. That being said, if the states somehow do know the identities, that's on them. I think they should try to exert best efforts to locate winners, but the same could be said about every game (i.e. state lotto hit, check convenience store video). But they don't, because at the end of the day it's not their responsibility to claim the prize. They only sell them and cash them.

    The MUSL contract stipulates that any litigation burden falls upon the states. Most states have sovereign immunity so the plaintiff is almost guaranteed lose-lose.

    MUSL doesn't know the MCP winners or the game show selections until post-drawing, so they would have no connection anyway. The states' are the ones who provide the numbers that MUSL indexes and selects from, and only the states' have any identifying information that a ticket may provide (to my knowledge).

    If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
    If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

    2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
    P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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      Posted: November 27, 2014, 11:44 pm - IP Logged

       I asked for a Monopoly ticket and the clerk went and looked through the scratch off bins. I had to go and tap the top of lottery terminal. lol


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        Posted: November 28, 2014, 2:15 am - IP Logged

        I have bought a total of 5 tickets since the game began. Also I have 20 game show entries.


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          Posted: November 28, 2014, 3:27 am - IP Logged

          If you wanted to cover every combination for Powerball vs Monopoly Millionaire's Club, Powerball is cheaper to play.

           

          Powerball 

          Cost              $2

          Odds             175,223,510 

          Total Cost     $350,447,020

           

          Monopoly Millionaires Club

          Cost             $5

          Odds            72,770,880

          Total Cost     $363,854,400

           

          Difference     $13,407,380

           

          In conclusion these games are very similar in odds and cost. Its more wise to play Powerball since the jackpot is not capped.

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            Posted: December 4, 2014, 4:26 pm - IP Logged

            I had the St James Place 12 and won 7 dollars.

            Personal Favorite Numbers 326 - 243 - 954 - 407 - 213

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              Can someone please explain this lottery name drawing. I checked the results yesterday. Two states have no names listed for the Vegas trip. It just says Lottery Winner Notified. Do all States not have to wait to hear back to post the names.

               

              It defies logic to believe all people except in those two States have provided their information in order to have their name disclosed.

               

              It seems like there is no way to double check to make sure you have been notified you are a winner. If you don't get the email - you are SOL

               

              Something just seems off about this.

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                Posted: December 5, 2014, 10:36 am - IP Logged

                The playmmc website shows the winners for all states, but I believe that some obfuscate names due to their own privacy laws. They are still waiting for Pennsylvania and South Dakota results.

                If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
                If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

                2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
                P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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                  Can someone please explain this lottery name drawing. I checked the results yesterday. Two states have no names listed for the Vegas trip. It just says Lottery Winner Notified. Do all States not have to wait to hear back to post the names.

                   

                  It defies logic to believe all people except in those two States have provided their information in order to have their name disclosed.

                   

                  It seems like there is no way to double check to make sure you have been notified you are a winner. If you don't get the email - you are SOL

                   

                  Something just seems off about this.

                  You are not the only one who is confused about this lottery game. I see this game going away soon, lottery players hate everything about it.

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                    The playmmc website shows the winners for all states, but I believe that some obfuscate names due to their own privacy laws. They are still waiting for Pennsylvania and South Dakota results.

                    I have not seen any New York winners coming forward. They probably threw their tickets away thinking that they lost.

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                      Posted: December 5, 2014, 2:58 pm - IP Logged

                      You are not the only one who is confused about this lottery game. I see this game going away soon, lottery players hate everything about it.

                      I don't find anything confusing about this game and I don't hate it!  I have bought a ticket for every draw.

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                        I don't find anything confusing about this game and I don't hate it!  I have bought a ticket for every draw.

                        Low playership can ruin any lottery regardless of how much you spend or how many times you play. Higher playership generate sales for the lottery. I feel that you are smart for playing the odds though.

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                          Smart indeed. However, that comes with a huge caveat ... it assumes MMC game isn't rigged. While highly unlikely, the issue can't be ignored. Especially, in light of various problems with randomizers in the past - search the forums for more details of past incidents.

                          Personally, I play MMC, but limit my play to a ticket or two. It's worth participating, but not betting the bank on it - not just due to the slim odds, but also out of concern the randomizer could potentially be rigged. The motivation for MUSL to rig the MMC game is so high, since, at the current rate of sales, it will take many rolls-overs just to break-even. In contrast, MM and PB are profitable even when hit relatively early on with just a few roll-overs.

                          On a related note, the player can't choose the property number. I suspect the reason for that is to reduce the odds of premature top prize hits. To be clear, it doesn't change the overall odds, but, presumably, spreads out the top prize hits - more chance of roll-overs, which is critical to the design of the MMC game. I'm no math wiz, but why else would MMC not allow the player to choose the property number.

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                            I have not seen any New York winners coming forward. They probably threw their tickets away thinking that they lost.

                            New York winners (for the trip drawing ) were listed on the website. HOWEVER, I can't remember how I found the list on the website. Now, I can't find it using the menu.

                             

                            It had all the names of the winners except for two states.

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                              Posted: December 5, 2014, 10:48 pm - IP Logged

                              New York winners (for the trip drawing ) were listed on the website. HOWEVER, I can't remember how I found the list on the website. Now, I can't find it using the menu.

                               

                              It had all the names of the winners except for two states.

                              playmmc.com/mmcdrawings -> Second Chance Drawings -> 12/02/14

                              On a side note, the number of winners per state is definitely more than 6 and while I expected an additional number in proportion to sales, it doesn't seem to make sense according to the rules (or my understanding thereof). Sales simply were not high enough to support this many attendees. I will have to look into this.

                              I think the property number as QP covered multiple bases. As stated, it increases the player variance which increases the probability of a rollover, which is undoubtedly crucial to this game having many millionaires. I also think it has something to do with dissuading wheeling, as well as reducing the skewed liability on fixed prizes that has popped up in PB and MM. I wasn't privy to the NPG executive sessions so I could be far off on that one, but it's just a hunch.

                              The most likely and obvious reason is like someone else just mentioned, the property is used in the second-chance element, so letting players choose the property would mean that everyone could easily fill out a property set (thus defeating the purpose).

                              If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
                              If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

                              2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
                              P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

                                 
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