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Stack, you've been around a while and have contributed to similar threads in much the same way as you have here. Also, you and I have brain stormed the pre and post test 'integrity' of the game and I'm going share, again, what I feel is the reality of it all. So, the commission spends all this money on fancy draw machines and highly quality-controlled ball sets, right? I understand that even with the best of production process, there's still the possibility of variation and bias of an end product... and I'm speaking of the ping-pong balls here. On the Texas website, it says that during the pre-tests if any one ball in any chamber is drawn four times, a fifth draw is conducted. If it happens again, the ball set in that particular chamber doesn't pass. Now, to me, such a process is not only ludicrous and overkill but very taxing on the draw machine in general.

Here's my main argument, though, which I've also shared. The word 'random' means just that... it occurs randomly. Why not have all their security measures in place, enter the room, crank the machine up and conduct a truly random SINGLE draw? In my honest opinion, drawing those numbers out up to possibly five times times tends to disrupt what I dub the 'law of occurrence' but, only to an extent I believe. It's kinda like that application of lightening striking in the same place twice. Just my .02 on it.

I couldn't have put it any better. Finally, someone who gets it.

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    Really? Whining?

    I'm aware of their excuses as to why they do pre and post tests, but I don't believe their reasons. I've written so much about this, so again, your comprehension level sucks.

    If they want to give players equal chance to win, they should leave the dang machines alone. If they break during the draw they will redo a draw. A person on LP already posted straight from Florida's pre test and post test protocols and it's ridiculous. One thing they do is do a pre test draw, and if the same number that was drawn in the first pre test shows 3 or 4 times in the following pre test , they have to do another test, so basically there could be up to 10 tests before and after. If you can't see the BS, then I can't help you. I will not spell it out for you.

    If you do a thousand pre tests before the draw, the machine can still break down, and they do the draw again ANYWAYS!!!!....GOT IT NOW ?

    I doubt you will.

    Ball Game Pre-tests may not be quite that Evil.  The Question is Which Draw do they Show You.  Do they know the Numbers before the broadcast.  In the End Who or What are you playing against?  The Ball Machine or The Lottery?  Pre-Tests don't let you Play against the Machine because the Lottery Selects the Draw that is best for them not us.

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      Ball Game Pre-tests may not be quite that Evil.  The Question is Which Draw do they Show You.  Do they know the Numbers before the broadcast.  In the End Who or What are you playing against?  The Ball Machine or The Lottery?  Pre-Tests don't let you Play against the Machine because the Lottery Selects the Draw that is best for them not us.

      I changed my mind.  Ball Game Pre-Tests are Evil.

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        I changed my mind.  Ball Game Pre-Tests are Evil.

        Lucky Loser put it eloquently. If they truly want random numbers, let whatever the machine spits out the first time be the actual winning numbers, not what they think random results is.

        Like I wrote earlier, what if they perform 7 pre test that show the first digit came out number 5 the last 3 of the 7 tests? Florida will change the machine because there were too many number 5's in a row. So they'll bring another machine out and test it again. So in reality, there could be a dozen or more tests. FOR WHAT?????

        If the machine draws the number 5 in the first position 6 times in a row, THAT IS RANDOMNESS in the works, let nature do it's thing, it will correct itself out in the long run.

         

        When you go to the casinos, and pull the handle on a slot machine, do they first do 5 pre tests to make sure the slot machine works, so only the sixth pull of the handle's results count? NO!!!!

        When you go to the horse races, do they run the horses 5 times around the track to make sure the horses can run? NO!!!!! Imagine how the bettors at the races would react If you did that BS?

        When you go o the casino and play roulette, does the dealer spin the wheel 5 or 6 times before he announces that everyone can NOW place their bets because he wanted to make sure the wheel was working correctly?

        If these scenarios seem odd, why doesn't it seem just as odd when applied to the lottery? 

        Some people don't get it and NEVER will.

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          basis of a good system....

           

          Good bankroll

          Good way of choosing numbers

          Knowledge of progressive betting

          Organization.  A win every so often

          my name Lil Darryl   you got some Milk

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            basis of a good system....

             

            Good bankroll

            Good way of choosing numbers

            Knowledge of progressive betting

            Organization.  A win every so often

            YES!

            That is it.

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              YES!

              That is it.

              "A win every so often"

              You don't even need to win all of the time.

              The longer that it takes for you to win, the more profit that you will make, if your bankroll is huge.

              That is what progressive betting is all about!

              I showed to you the basic technique.

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                "A win every so often"

                You don't even need to win all of the time.

                The longer that it takes for you to win, the more profit that you will make, if your bankroll is huge.

                That is what progressive betting is all about!

                I showed to you the basic technique.

                I would think that the longer it takes you to win or hit, that your profit would be lower and not higher. Then you would need a huge bankroll.

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                  Lucky Loser put it eloquently. If they truly want random numbers, let whatever the machine spits out the first time be the actual winning numbers, not what they think random results is.

                  Like I wrote earlier, what if they perform 7 pre test that show the first digit came out number 5 the last 3 of the 7 tests? Florida will change the machine because there were too many number 5's in a row. So they'll bring another machine out and test it again. So in reality, there could be a dozen or more tests. FOR WHAT?????

                  If the machine draws the number 5 in the first position 6 times in a row, THAT IS RANDOMNESS in the works, let nature do it's thing, it will correct itself out in the long run.

                   

                  When you go to the casinos, and pull the handle on a slot machine, do they first do 5 pre tests to make sure the slot machine works, so only the sixth pull of the handle's results count? NO!!!!

                  When you go to the horse races, do they run the horses 5 times around the track to make sure the horses can run? NO!!!!! Imagine how the bettors at the races would react If you did that BS?

                  When you go o the casino and play roulette, does the dealer spin the wheel 5 or 6 times before he announces that everyone can NOW place their bets because he wanted to make sure the wheel was working correctly?

                  If these scenarios seem odd, why doesn't it seem just as odd when applied to the lottery? 

                  Some people don't get it and NEVER will.

                  Now you're talking, Amber! Any lottery official that may be reading here knows darned full well that we're right on the money and should be considering this a valid and merited argument. Great job on your compare/contrast efforts with like elements.Thumbs Up

                  Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                  There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                  #lotto-4-a-living

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                    I would think that the longer it takes you to win or hit, that your profit would be lower and not higher. Then you would need a huge bankroll.

                    YES!!! You get exactly what I've been saying the whole time! If a player can't hit within a specific amount of time and also for a specific PAYOUT AMOUNT, then it means they'd need to make an even larger hit just to cover the first run of losses. A given payout completely dictates what type of hit needs happen based on how much money the player has spent before a given hit is encountered. It's just simply math. The sooner you can for a given wager, the higher the profit. The later, the lesser the profit. Then, there's hitting in just the nick of time where a break even scenario can happen such as having spent $50 over "X" amount of plays and netting (2) pairs for $25 each. Again, a player has to implement the proper math in order to know what their system is actually producing (or not producing).

                     

                    Good eye, TheMeatman2005!!! 

                    Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                    There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                    #lotto-4-a-living

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                      I would think that the longer it takes you to win or hit, that your profit would be lower and not higher. Then you would need a huge bankroll.

                      No!

                      With progressive betting the longer the more profit made in the end.

                      But you need a huge bankroll.

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                        No!

                        With progressive betting the longer the more profit made in the end.

                        But you need a huge bankroll.

                        Gotta respectfully disagree here, though. If a player is progressive betting, then the losses that are mounting at say .50 would double at $1.00 until/unless a win takes place. This is supported by the law of diminishing returns, okay. If a player has been losing $15 (.50/number and a (30) number list) on each play and has played (5) times, that's $75 in the hole. When they progress up to $1.00, then the losses become $30 on each play/loss. Then, unless a $105 hit ($75 in losses + $30 new progressive wager) takes place on that very first progressive wager, the player is now down by $105. If a player is gonna implement progressive betting, then they'd better have one helluva system that is highly consistent with REPEATABILITY DURATION. Otherwise, those losses continue to mount exponentially.

                        We are now having some great fundamental chatting regarding Pick3 and the accommodating math required to make a player/system successful. My kinda conversation!

                        Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                        There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

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                          YES!!! You get exactly what I've been saying the whole time! If a player can't hit within a specific amount of time and also for a specific PAYOUT AMOUNT, then it means they'd need to make an even larger hit just to cover the first run of losses. A given payout completely dictates what type of hit needs happen based on how much money the player has spent before a given hit is encountered. It's just simply math. The sooner you can for a given wager, the higher the profit. The later, the lesser the profit. Then, there's hitting in just the nick of time where a break even scenario can happen such as having spent $50 over "X" amount of plays and netting (2) pairs for $25 each. Again, a player has to implement the proper math in order to know what their system is actually producing (or not producing).

                           

                          Good eye, TheMeatman2005!!! 

                          Sorry, but NO!

                          Read this:

                          https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/304006/4649804

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                          In a few words:

                          Every-time that you don't win you double your previous bet as simple as that:

                          For example:

                          20 Box pick 3 numbers.

                          Start with $10 (50 cents per each number) and if you don't win:

                          Now play $20 and if you don't win:

                          Now play $40 and f you don't win:

                          Now play $80 and if you don't win:

                          Now play $160 and if you won this time:

                          160 / 20 = 8 Times Won Box = $80 X 8 = $640.00 made.

                          8 X $80 = $640 Won:

                          Loses:

                          $640 - 10 = $630

                          $630 - 20 = $610

                          $610 - 40 = $570

                          $570 - 80 = $490

                          $490 - 160 = $330 WON

                          This is your profit Total $330.00

                          It took you 5 draws to get that profit.

                          If it had taken you 6 draws to win, it would have been a whole lot more money.

                          The longer to win, the more profit that you make.

                          Very simple!

                          $330 / 5 =$66.00 made for each draw played on 5 draws played.

                          If you had won on the 6th draw played, it would have been more than $66 won for each draw played.

                          You do need to win sooner or later and you do need a huge bankroll.

                          $66 X 5 = $330 Total Profit made.

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                            Sorry, but NO!

                            Read this:

                            https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/304006/4649804

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                            In a few words:

                            Every-time that you don't win you double your previous bet as simple as that:

                            For example:

                            20 Box pick 3 numbers.

                            Start with $10 (50 cents per each number) and if you don't win:

                            Now play $20 and if you don't win:

                            Now play $40 and f you don't win:

                            Now play $80 and if you don't win:

                            Now play $160 and if you won this time:

                            160 / 20 = 8 Times Won Box = $80 X 8 = $640.00 made.

                            8 X $80 = $640 Won:

                            Loses:

                            $640 - 10 = $630

                            $630 - 20 = $610

                            $610 - 40 = $570

                            $570 - 80 = $490

                            $490 - 160 = $330 WON

                            This is your profit Total $330.00

                            It took you 5 draws to get that profit.

                            If it had taken you 6 draws to win, it would have been a whole lot more money.

                            The longer to win, the more profit that you make.

                            Very simple!

                            $330 / 5 =$66.00 made for each draw played on 5 draws played.

                            If you had won on the 6th draw played, it would have been more than $66 won for each draw played.

                            You do need to win sooner or later and you do need a huge bankroll.

                            $66 X 5 = $330 Total Profit made.

                            I am no Math person, but what I posted seems to be right.

                            Read the stuff very slowly and then tell me where on my post I made a mistake, if I made a mistake, as far as I know my post is right.

                            That is exactly what progressive betting is all about.

                            I do understand that you might not want to give the Golden Goose away, but now it is too late, the Golden Goose has been given away.

                            Sorry!

                            Who still thinks that my progressive betting technique is wrong and that there is no profit made on that post given those betting conditions as posted there?

                            Speak now or forever hold your peace and show me exactly were and or what is wrong with my post.

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                              20 Box pick 3 numbers.

                              Start with $10 (50 cents per each number) and if you don't win:

                              Now play $20 and if you don't win: $1 per each pick 3 number.

                              Now play $40 and f you don't win: $2 for each pick 3 number.

                              Now play $80 and if you don't win: $4 for each pick 3 number.

                              Now play $160 and if you won this time: $8 for each pick 3 number played.

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                              $310 Bet there those are the loses what it cost to play for those 5 draws played.

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                              160 / 20 = 8 Times Won Box = $80 X 8 = $640.00 made.

                              8 X $80 = $640 Won:

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                              $640 - $310 = $330 Profit Made On All The Five Draws Played

                              That is The Total Profit Made.

                              Are We O.K. Now?

                                 
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