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Posted: December 11, 2004, 6:01 pm - IP Logged
Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on December 8, 2004



Todd,

What is the status of the petition?

Curious to know if a federal politician has introduced a bill to ban computer drawings.

Tks

Robert







Not that I know of.  Actually, the best person to ask about that is Jim695 - he has had contact with Indiana state reps about this.

 

Check the State Lottery Report Card
What grade did your lottery earn?

 

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    We have 788 signatures on the LotteryPost petition, and I've collected around a hundred or so locally. This is well short of the 5,000 names we need to secure a meeting with a congressman.

    The petition itself doesn't guarantee that the necessary legislation will be passed, or even sponsored, but it's the only way to get our message heard. I'm surprised that more people here haven't signed, given the 8,000+ members on this forum, and the links on other websites. Could it be that people really don't want mechanical drawing machines?

    I printed out and distributed an off-line version of the petition, which allows for sixty signatures. I always asked for the retailer's permission before I left the document on their counter, but most of them simply disappeared (the petitions, I mean; not the retailers), and then there are some who signed "Bugs Bunny," "Seymour Butts," etc.  

    If anyone has any ideas on how we can get the needed signatures, I would love to hear them. I check this thread almost every day, so post your thoughts here.

    Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

    Jim

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      Posted: December 12, 2004, 9:10 pm - IP Logged

      its really something that more lottery players don't join in the fight against computerized drawings...my guess is most lottery players are casual lottery players who buy the occasional powerball ticket and probably don't care which is sad because i know most people here at this site don't want computerized drawings.what worries me is i could almost see all states ending up computerized by the end of the decade as cost cutting measures by the different states.its spreading like a bad virus and has swallowed missouri and wisconsin in the last few months....my hope is that maybe we can dventually stop this and put a monkey wrench in the states plans to computerize....thanks.......good luck jim...wish i lived near indiana i'd help..i was hoping the media could get involved somehow in indiana....being that indiana is already showing plenty of signs of being hopelessly corrupt....

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        I hate to post this but for pick 3 games i really like computerized drawings :(

        I win alot more in them

        I still think its wrong for the big games, cuz those really are going to let the states profit

        Well just some input, no offense to anyone, i dont think the states should have started this

        Im just saying i havent minded the wins....

        Justin

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          LOTTOMIKE:

          Even I can't find the words to tell you how much LosingJeff and I appreciate your support, but you don't have to live here to take an active role. Just go to IndyStar.com and punch in "Hoosier Lottery" (quotes aren't necessary). Then print out the two articles you find there and send them to your local newspaper editor. Ask him to find space to run them. If he publishes the articles, it will give your own state legislators something to think about before one of them gets any ideas about jumping on the bandwagon.

          I'm not giving up on the petition; I still believe we can get our 5,000 signatures once a few more people hear about this. As I see it, the problem is that people aren't willing to sign because it's not happening to them, in their state (yet). The virus you spoke of is worse than you know. I just received a form letter from Senator Meeks wanting to know if I think it's a good idea to begin adding sales tax to services such as haircuts, car washes, dry cleaning, etc. For the record, I'll state here that I do NOT think it's a good idea; in my opinion that idea is bad and blows, out loud.

          I'm really beginning to wonder if someone has to agree to a post-election lobotomy before he can run for office here. Whoever said there is no such thing as a stupid question has obviously never met this guy.

          Todd has done everything in his power to help us get this off the ground, but he can't force his members to make their marks. Maybe I should start a thread asking members to tell us why they won't sign. If the majority really wants computerized drawings, it would be a mistake on my part to try to stop them. When their state lottery draws a curtain around their computer so it's no longer in public view, maybe they'll change their minds. So far, that's been the pattern; convert the format to an RNG, and then stop airing live drawings in the name of "fiscal responsibility."

          Check your state's gaming laws (available at your local library) to find out if your lottery is separate from your state government. If you discover that your lottery operates as a "private enterprise," listen to the bells and whistles going off in your head, because that's a big warning sign. If your legislators aren't concerned about possible corruption in that agency, they won't see a need to distance themselves from responsibility for the actions of the people who run it. Also, find out if your lottery tracks player selections prior to each drawing. Most states have published liability limits in place, but if your state hasn't ratified specific liability limits for their online games, this is another warning sign.

          I wish I could find a few hundred more who felt as strongly about this issue as you do.

           

             

          Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

          Jim

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            Posted: December 13, 2004, 1:52 pm - IP Logged

            could a place like indiana have a computer in place that picks the number least bet on and use that for a daily number and get away with it....i'm beginning to think thats whats happening and its sad....they probably got something in the fine print in their lottery constitution that lets them get away with it....if not they could be in for huge lawsuits if it is exposed that they are doing this.....

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               comparison note that South Carolina also puts the number of boxed and straight winners. This information is very similar to Indidnas in that they also do not have hundreds of people hitting the number straight. So like i said before without knowing what numbers are being bet and how many people are actually playing the game you can't really define what the problem is. It just might be that people cant get the number right on any given day. I wonder if stats for Indiana on popular numbers are greater than there average winners are. I willing to bet that quads which are popular have a hight payout.

              These numbers below are for South Carolina






              Midday, December 13, 2004

              7 - 8 - 3 - 7
                Box Winners: 20
              Straight Winners: 1
               Evening, December 12, 2004

              5 - 9 - 4 - 4
                Box Winners: 83
              Straight Winners: 4
               Evening, December 11, 2004

              5 - 7 - 7 - 7
                Box Winners: 65
              Straight Winners: 3
               Midday, December 11, 2004

              0 - 1 - 0 - 6
                Box Winners: 81
              Straight Winners: 1
               Evening, December 10, 2004

              8 - 3 - 1 - 3
                Box Winners: 136
              Straight Winners: 7


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                Four4me:

                South Carolina is one of the states LosingJeff and I are using for a model. Since their lottery is only a couple of years old, it's not unusual that quads haven't hit there. On the other hand, you'll be hard-pressed to find a date where Indiana paid 136 box winners, and straight winners here were unheard-of in the Pick-4 game until the recent exposure of their scratch-off ticket scandal. I don't want to promote any conspiracy theories, but the illustration in LOTTOMIKE's last post has been my contention all along; that their RNG is tied to their central computer, which tracks player selections. A line of code could easily be written to scan that database for the number which has the least amount of play, which would then generated by the RNG, thus minimizing their daily payouts. By the same method, they can control the size of the Hoosier Lotto jackpot (by designating one or more combinations that are not to be sold) in order to increase ticket sales.

                Twice, we've had jackpots in the neighborhood of $28M. Statistically, this is unlikely to happen even once in a 6/48 game, since there are only 12,271,512 possible combinations. With sales on the Hoosier Lotto game averaging $15M per week, this indicates that they are selling more tickets than there are combinations, and they do it week after week, month after month, while somehow avoiding the sale of even one winning ticket.

                The Hoosier Lottery, as a private corporation, is not part of our state government, and therefore is not subject to state accounting or audit procedures. Personally, I blame our own short-sighted legislators for this gaping loophole, but LosingJeff and I are currently taking steps to close it permanently.

                The South Carolina Educational Lottery personnel were quite helpful and very cooperative when I contacted them several months ago. They were willing to give me anything I asked for, whereas information from the Hoosier Lottery must be slowly and painfully extracted. Anytime I request information from the Hoosier Lottery, their attorney, Janna Shisler (a real c-word, in my opinion), feels she needs to know why I want that information, or tells me that she is not required to release it to me.

                Believe me, I will be the first to support you if you find something amiss in your state lottery, but I really don't think you have anything to worry about in South Carolina; at least not yet. 

                Play with confidence, but keep your eyes open.

                P.S.

                I got a kick out of this: When I ran the spell-check on this post, the only suggested change was on the word, "Shisler." The suggestion? "Chisler." 

                Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

                Jim

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                  Posted: December 13, 2004, 6:55 pm - IP Logged

                  Excellent article Jim! By the way, I have probably spent enough this year to break anyone and still cannot hit for a simple 100.00 here in Indiana. I need to check my tickets for today but I believe I hit in SC today on 3877. I can go through my thousands of tickets and get winners everywhere but here. Like Jim said SC has a great Lottery when u compare it to Indiana. This Lottery should be named off by one every other day. I personally believe that there is no way I could get these kind of results when I play. Even the people at the convenience stores cannot believe it.

                   Another good point that Jim mentioned is the increase of winners on the evening game since the scandal. Something has definantly happened. The midday seems to be unchanged. You know, all anyone has to do is just tell what the real odds of winning are, not what the posted odds are.

                  If this game is fair then they should have no problem going back to balls! You cant get more random than that. Bottomline----they want no risk! The player bares all risk! Computers must be banned from drawing numbers! Sign the petition!


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                    jim:

                    I have two friends near Tulsa whose last name is "Shisler".

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                      Jim695 thanks for your reply. I'm from Maryand we use ball drawings. Our state dosen't list the amount of winners either so i just used S Caroling because it's one of the ones i found that do list the winners. So i gather from your post that it is similar to keno where the computer pays out a percentage of the take in. I think that is what they might be doing in your state with the pick 3/4/5 games. I had a frend tell me about the keno thing and i figgured it was somthing like that. In maryland we have only had about 6 people win the top prize in keno in over 15 years and that was only on days when 10's of thousands af people were playing at the same time.

                      In order to do a better comparison we need to find more website that list the amount of winners every draw. This week in between everything else i will search them and see what i find.

                      I feel for you guys as well i certainly wouldn't want to play lottery games where they are paying a percentage of the take. Might as well paly the one arm bandits.

                      And kudo's if you get the outfit thats running your games outa there and have a state lottery. I thought all lotterys in the us were state run. Learn something new every day.

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                        Quote: Originally posted by four4me on December 13, 2004



                         I thought all lotterys in the us were state run. Learn something new every day.




                        ME TOO, i didnt know indiana wasnt run by the state, wow, they can definetly get away with basically whatever they want unless someone does something about it.  you indiana folks are gonna have to boycott or try to do some public thing to get there attention or things will never change, that is if it really is rigged right now

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                          this indiana thing is screaming for attention...i wish this could get some publicity....the only thing indiana players have a chance at is powerball and thats because its not run in indiana....this is almost like a mayor embezzeling funds right in front of the public and getting away with it!!!!!

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                            All of the above posts make good points about how a  lottery using computer-picked numbers can be manipulated....especially if their on-line sales terminals are connected to their computer that picks the numbers.  That is why it is so important to sign the petition, write your state lottery expressing your preference for mechanical drawings and if necessary, avoid playing the game.

                            The way they are conducting their games, I'm surprised Indiana has ANY revenue from lottery sales.  I really feel sorry for those players.

                            Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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                              Posted: December 18, 2004, 7:11 pm - IP Logged

                               What you SEE, in terms of all state lotteries, is mostly smoke and mirriors, the drawings for 27 states, were controled by Control Data in, Dallas,Tx, as of 1999 .

                               My, information, comes from, a family member in their employ, at the time.

                               They, (the lotteries) tell you, that they are super-imposing. What amounts too, 6/1 odds, in their favor, on the backs of, a lot of, state-lottery tickets. 

                              State lotteries, are in business, to make profits, not you rich!

                               It's sort of like going to a 'casino', the odds are with the house. 

                              There are many variations from state too state. and 'crooks' really do exisit.

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