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Sign the petition - eliminate computerized drawings!

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Posted: January 31, 2005, 11:52 am - IP Logged

I also would sign against it, but my wife and I use the same post sight. I think that computorized drawings would allow them to control what comes out. Maybe or may not be true, but I don't trust them.

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    Posted: February 4, 2005, 3:02 pm - IP Logged

    i was just wondering what was the first state to go computerized because whatever state that it was has led to this......i hope everything is going well on the petition

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      Posted: February 10, 2005, 8:53 am - IP Logged

      Why is it important that this Petition be signed? Here is why:

      Here are the Midday and Evening Pic 3 payout amounts  for Indiana on 2/9 (Yesterday)

      Pic 3  Midday-----  0 Straight winners-- total pd 5300

      Pic 3 Evevning----  2 Straight winners---total pd 10,990

      Total Midday and Evening payouts for pic 3 = 16,290!

      An amazing 2 winners total for midday and evening combined. Of course, as you know, and have seen for yourself, this is not unusual.

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        Posted: February 10, 2005, 8:57 am - IP Logged

        Oh, I forgot to mention that South Carolina had 342 straight winners yesterday on Midday and Evening combined Pic 3. They have 2 million less people than Indiana.HHHMMMM? Interesting isnt it? 

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          Posted: February 10, 2005, 9:00 am - IP Logged

          1 July will change this forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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            Posted: February 10, 2005, 9:22 am - IP Logged

            Jeff: I hope so (about July 1), but the bill is only in its infancy.  We need to keep on top of it, to be sure it passes!

             

            Check the State Lottery Report Card
            What grade did your lottery earn?

             

            Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
            Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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              Posted: February 10, 2005, 9:52 am - IP Logged

              YYou are right Todd! We have to stay on it, and we will! By the way, were last nights payouts humble or what. I think they are more impossible than humble.

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                Posted: February 10, 2005, 10:32 am - IP Logged

                Jeff,

                Can you find a way to get the number of tickets sold for each game, by day?  If you could track this down, we could really see if the payouts are out of whack.  I agree that the payouts are stunningly low, but without the number of tickets sold, the picture is incomplete.

                 

                Check the State Lottery Report Card
                What grade did your lottery earn?

                 

                Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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                  Posted: February 10, 2005, 3:56 pm - IP Logged

                  thats right jeff you need to see how many tickets are being sold,if for some reason nobody is buying pick 3 and pick 4 tickets then all of our suspicions about this are invalid.however i do think jeff that you will most likely find that quite a bit are being sold and can start presenting this stuff to your local senator showing the low payouts of indiana vs. south carolina and the huge differences that just scream of CORRUPTION.....

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                    in either dvent the amount of people playing the lottery dosen't have anything to do with the amount of people who play a certain number. Every number isn't necessarly bet every day twice a day. By the masses of people in any given state. I will agree as it is evident that there aren't very many winners in your states pick 3 and 4 games. Without knowing the ratio of people playing, and what numbers they are betting on. How can anyone say it was a poor turnout of numbers If 888 had came out or some other popular number then i'm sure there would have been a larger payout. Providing of course that many people played the number in the first place.

                    However if your state is running a crooked game and they are de selecting numbers that have been bet. And are drawing numbers that haven't been bet to turn a profit then some one should be brought to justice. You guys need to have some one dig into their daily records for the information to verify the amount of tickets being purchased for the pick 3 and 4 games. And or audit the firm that supposedly audits the lotterys main terminal RNG pc's

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                      Posted: February 19, 2005, 4:55 am - IP Logged

                      just from what losingjeff has said and looking at indiana stats in conjunction with states of a similar size like south carolina where they have hundreds of more winners everyday not to mention the recent scandals in indiana lead me to believe that more than likely than not that the indiana lottery is not being run fairly at all,something is amiss big time............hopefully the indiana and delaware bills will pass and the momentum will propel other states that are computerized to start having thoughts on voting too..........

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                        Posted: March 10, 2005, 4:35 pm - IP Logged
                        Quote: Originally posted by Todd on August 29, 2004



                        We're taking on computerized drawings all the way before it's too late!

                        This petition is going to get national attention in congress.

                        Please show your support by signing it right now!

                          Click here to sign the petition

                        See the news story: Lottery petition attacks computerized drawings





                                  Todd, I'm wondering what the primary reason is for wanting

                                  to eliminate computer drawings. RickG called attention to

                                  the site random.org where we learn that truly random

                                numbers can be generated without any algorithm. Thus they

                                are not PRNG and nobody can break into the process and

                                control what numbers to generate or not.

                                Is it the true randomness that scares people?

                                Bertil

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                          Bertil,

                          From your comments, I think it's safe to assume that you did not read the text of the petition, which describes in great depth why there's a need to eliminate computerized drawings.

                          I suggest that you read it first, and then we can discuss whatever points you'd like.

                           

                          Check the State Lottery Report Card
                          What grade did your lottery earn?

                           

                          Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                          Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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                            Posted: March 10, 2005, 8:38 pm - IP Logged

                            to put it in simple terms,no computerized drawings because......

                            1-you can't see the drawing live as it happens

                            2-it is numbers programmed into a computer,this means its not secure,anyone with enough time could hack into it.vulnerable

                            3-this could also lead to the lottery in a state having its computer put out numbers each day that were not bet on which is cheating players and guarantee big money everyday for the lottery in that state,players lose in the process.

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                              Quote: Originally posted by Todd on March 10, 2005



                              Bertil,

                              From your comments, I think it's safe to assume that you did not read the text of the petition, which describes in great depth why there's a need to eliminate computerized drawings.

                              I suggest that you read it first, and then we can discuss whatever points you'd like.





                                        Tod,

                                        It is true that ordinary RNG numbers are not truly random

                                        because they are based on a formula. But numbers from

                                        the type of tru RNG described at "random.org" are based

                                        on electronic noice, nuclear decay or a lavalamp. Even the

                                        most powerful super computer could never predict the

                                        next number from such a process regardless of how many

                                        previous numbers it analyzed. Thus true randomness

                                        can be assured.

                                        Secondly, the Congress is not empowered to intrude

                                        into state run lotteries. It could only legislate about inter-

                                        state business, such as powerball. Therefore I think the

                                        petition is a futile attempt to force the state lotteries

                                        to conduct drawings as you would prefer them do it.

                                        Bertil 

                                 
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