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Statistically Speaking - QP's and PP's

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It seems to me it would have been helpful if System Players would have mentioned (a long time ago) what criteria their claims were based on. I freely admit to being a big dummy though and I may have missed it.

It appears that they base their claims of PP's superiority over QP's on how many winning numbers are contained in their picks regardless of the effect those numbers have on winning cash prizes. They look for the cumulative tally of winning numbers in all their picks combined even if they are only 1 or 2 to a line and consider that a success if they have a few. Winning cash seems to be secondary and not as important as having a few of the numbers even if they're not positioned properly to win anything. 

Whereas, Quick Pick Players base their success on how much money they win as opposed to how much they spend.

Is that about right?

To me, I think you pretty much explained it.  Millions do not show any profit with QPs.  Millions do not show any profit with SPs. 

Whereas, Quick Pick Players base their success on how much money they win as opposed to how much they spend.

I think pretty much anyone keeping books would agree that if you are playing a lottery game and you have 1 number matched, that is a losing ticket.  I don't think that would make SPs better than QPs.  I think it is the dollar amount you win - but regardless of profit.  Quick Pickers aren't making any profit either.  How can anyone insist that a system with the such high odds produce a profit?  See my previous post about the 100 ticket example. 

So I am not sure your statement is correct.  I think all players base success on how much money won.  Even if it only means losing less.  If you can lose less with a SP, why not?

Let's say you go to a restaurant and order a meal - waitress says you can't substitute anything.  You don't like peas, you don't want them - she says they come with the meal.  That is a QP.  You take what is given regardless if you don't think certain numbers have any chance of coming in.

Go to a different restaurant - substitute all you want.    You order items you like.  That is a SP.  You like certain numbers, you use those.  Seems better to me.   I think using judgment, than not, is better.

If your judgment is totally out of whack, then stick with QPs - they'll probably work better for you.

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    truecritic,

    "I think all players base success on how much money won.  Even if itonly means losing less.  If you can lose less with a SP, why not?"


    Fronm the gist of this thread I think we can say that the QP player is much more likely to play $1, while the sP players, especially those playing wheels are going to spend a lot more than $1. So if the QP player doesn't win, the most common result, they lose $1. If the sP player doesn't win, the most common result, they lose ?

    So I think that would tend to cancel out your statement above about the SP plyaer losing less.

    QP player: "Well, I wasn't off by too much but I lost $1"

    SP player:  "Well I wasn't off by too much but I lost $ _ _ "

    or

    SP player: "Well, I had 12 tickets going, two of them had $3 hits, so I won $6 and lost $6."

    Let's see, QP = -$1, SP = - $6, who lost less?

    As far as lower tier prizes go, short of 5 + 0 in a 5 + 1 game, I still say the lottery doesn't care how many of them someone hits. Most of that money goes right back into more tickets, and relative to the odds against hiting them the payouts are chump change.

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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      on the outside chance you have only skimmed over this thread (which you haven't), MOST of the entire thread was based around you guys claiming "systems" are better than quick picks in fact, you said it yourself, and not in the vein that "oh, it's good for me, because i happen to have better luck with them", etc. you went on and on yourself that systems are better, and that QP's are a waste, and you weren't just referring to "yourself".do i need to copy and paste your own words, or does your "memory" remember you making those claims personally ?

       

      (I NEVER said  systems  are  better  than quick-picks I never  said quick-picks are  a wast of time for other players why are  you in here telling lies?? I thought you were a chrisitian?? the only thing I  SAID was that  system play  works BETTER for me than quick-picks so I THINK  you got me confused with someone else so PLEASE show me my post where I said systems are better.System play is BETTER for ME I never said it was better for everyone so you  are not  paying attention as usual I would like too see  this proof you have cause I DO not recall  making such claims I KNOW better especially  with you in here you have a tendancy too cause trouble  and strife on this  post that's why you were ABSENT for such a long time and I see  you haven't learned your lesson cause your still  back too your  old ways if I said  quick-picks  were a waste  of time I was referring too  MY time not  other players time I would  never said  something like that because I'm quite sure some players  in this forum do use quick-picks so that would be an insult  too  there method of play and I would have RECIEVED a lot of NEGATIVE responses  for such a remark and I haven't gotten one negative  response not one.)

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        truecritic,

        "I think all players base success on how much money won.  Even if itonly means losing less.  If you can lose less with a SP, why not?"


        Fronm the gist of this thread I think we can say that the QP player is much more likely to play $1, while the sP players, especially those playing wheels are going to spend a lot more than $1. So if the QP player doesn't win, the most common result, they lose $1. If the sP player doesn't win, the most common result, they lose ?

        So I think that would tend to cancel out your statement above about the SP plyaer losing less.

        QP player: "Well, I wasn't off by too much but I lost $1"

        SP player:  "Well I wasn't off by too much but I lost $ _ _ "

        or

        SP player: "Well, I had 12 tickets going, two of them had $3 hits, so I won $6 and lost $6."

        Let's see, QP = -$1, SP = - $6, who lost less?

        As far as lower tier prizes go, short of 5 + 0 in a 5 + 1 game, I still say the lottery doesn't care how many of them someone hits. Most of that money goes right back into more tickets, and relative to the odds against hiting them the payouts are chump change.

        That has been your stand right along - thread after thread.  I agree SPs are probably more than just a buck, not necessarily, but probably.  But then you have the SP player that plays birthdays, license plates, etc; and they probably only play $1 - just like a "QP player."  There is no way to know how many tickets a person buys.  Also there is no way to know if more QPs lose than do self-picked tickets.  If SPs win more prizes, then the loss can be less than a QP.  Example: QP play $1 and lose.  SP play $20 worth of tickets and win $100.  Regardless of the churn, because again, we don't know who puts how much back into play, the SP player comes out ahead.  Just saying it is possible.

        Many on here (LP) have stated they spend $_ _ on QPs - type in some figure larger than $1.   Some QP players play everyday - some might play once a year. 

        Let's say it is a given that QP players play $5 or less every time they play and that SP players spend $20 every time they play.  So that just means a different level of either available cash or a different level of commitment.  So?  I wouldn't argue that point.  I am sure you of all people have seen many casino customers sit at the quarter slots - and seen many sit at the $100 table games.  Different commitment.

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          Hi all,

          As far as I figure it out, after +10 years of analyzing, self programming and all that, the best way (for now) is to bet on wheeled 9 numbers for example (if playing 49 lotto system) and play them draw by draw, until they hit with at least 4. Then you pick another 9 numbers pool. You pay only 3 tickets... and you have a strong chance for 2nd prize if all are in the pool.

          I use this system and I get often 4 numbers through them and 3rd prize 4 or 5 times per year.

          By this way, I'm (5 times per year) at 22,5 steps from the 2nd prize ((49-4)/2)

          Thinking of jackpot is only a way to dream (for now, of course)!

           

          Best of luck to all!

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            I mentioned the 46 combo wheel and I've used it because it has superior coverage over purchasing 46 QPs. The MM site gives the odds of having the bonus ball at 1 in 75 so it's obvious the odds of purchasing 46 QPs and having all 46 bonus balls is much higher. The wheel uses all 56 wps and though I'd probably get all 56 wps purchasing QPs, it's no guarantee.

            "It appears that they base their claims of PP's superiority over QP's on how many winning numbers are contained in their picks regardless of the effect those numbers have on winning cash prizes. "

            Superior coverage is not the same as out performing and we can't test purchased QPs performance against the wheel without buying them. While RNG combos can give us good idea, RNGs picks have nothing to do with the topic you started. Nobody including me has claimed they had a system of picking the numbers or combos to out perform a like number of QPs; not on this thread.

            "Winning cash seems to be secondary and not as important as having a few of the numbers even if they're not positioned properly to win anything."

            I've played the wheel trying to match all 5 wps because it guarantees matching at least two of the numbers in one of the combos. By using all 56 wps with a two number match, the odds of matching 5 is 84885 to 1 and I cross my fingers hoping to have the 2 or 3 of the other numbers on the same line. The order the 56 numbers were entered into the wheel was done using the quick pick feature so there is no practical reason to compare performance of a QP 46 combos to another QP 46 combo.

            "Is that about right?"

            From the beginning I assumed by "QPs", you meant the QP tickets purchased from a lottery terminal. Was I wrong?

            Thanks for the response Stack.

            No, you weren't wrong. I was basing the stats of PP's vs. those of QP's purchased from lottery terminals.

            My main objective was to avoid the esoteric (for me, anyway) minutia and get a yes or no answer to my question.

            Do either QP's or PP's garner a higher percentage of the winning tickets relative to their percentage of tickets sold?

            If QP's account for exactly 70% of  tickets sold  and account for exactly 70% of winning tickets,  while PP's account for exactly 30% of tickets sold  and exactly 30% of winning tickets, I just cannot reconcile in my mind one method outperforming the other.

            If someone could come up with the exact stats in that regard (surely the lotteries know) I would be convinced.

            I've been told in this thread that PP's are 4 times better than QP's but shouldn't that then be borne out by the results?

            Or are we back to my other contention that PP players base success more on having all the numbers than on winning money?


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

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              truecritic,

              Since it is some of the SP layers that are mentioning wheels I think it a safe guess that they play more.

              Going by sales volume, of course more QPs lose than SPs. Most lottery websites tell us they are 70 to 80% of sales.

              As for "committment", that sounds like something someone would say at a GA meeting.

              "Well, I have a committment to my system".

              Counselor: "You realize every "committed " line you play is up agains 176 million or 195 million to one odds, yes?"

              As for the $100 tables, yes, of course I've seen both. What the public doesn't know and the people in the pits is that at the end of the year the hi-rollers are hi-losers. They also are notoriously stiff and they bring heat on the game. It's only rookie dealers that get excited when the high denomination cheques come out.

              I posted this a few pages ago and it got buried but i think it's worth posting again:

              After twenty days (rdgrnr started this post July 9) and 37 pages (on my settings anyway) can we make a few observations?

              The PP'ers and the QP'ers will never convince each other their method of number selection is better.

              Many players mix them up and play both.

              Statistics tell us that there are more QP sales and thus more QPwinners, the PB site even says, "Perhaps that's just a coincidence".

              Someone who only plays QP is much likely to spend less on lotto, at least on a particular game.

              For Pick 5, 6, and 5 + 1 no matter how many lines you play, you aremost likely to hit any amount of numbers that result in no payoff, thisincludes not hitting anything. A lot of QP players convince themselvesof this with $1, for some other players it takes a lot more than that.

              There are people who will play all the +1 numbers to make sure they"win" something, but they're not really winning anything, they'remaking sure they get $2 or $3 back of $46 or $39 spent.

              Even with Powerplay and Megaplier the average ticket played is still$1. If you watch the PB drawings between numbers drawn they will say,"Betty Boop won $10,000", not $40,000 or whatever the last Powerplaywas.

              Truth be known if the lottery is going to give you a check formillions of dollars how you got the numbers isn't going to exactly beyour first priority at that moment.

              When Frank Sinatra sang "My Way" he could not have had any idea how much it would pertain to lottery players and discussions!

              Green laugh

              Anyone remember an old Bugs Bunny and Yosemite Sam cartoon, "Draw, no you draw"?

              rdgrnr,

              As far as being concerned with how many chosen numbers hit regardless of W-L, just consider how many times on this "bragging rights" have been mentioned.

              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

              Lep

              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                on the outside chance you have only skimmed over this thread (which you haven't), MOST of the entire thread was based around you guys claiming "systems" are better than quick picks in fact, you said it yourself, and not in the vein that "oh, it's good for me, because i happen to have better luck with them", etc. you went on and on yourself that systems are better, and that QP's are a waste, and you weren't just referring to "yourself".do i need to copy and paste your own words, or does your "memory" remember you making those claims personally ?

                 

                (I NEVER said  systems  are  better  than quick-picks I never  said quick-picks are  a wast of time for other players why are  you in here telling lies?? I thought you were a chrisitian?? the only thing I  SAID was that  system play  works BETTER for me than quick-picks so I THINK  you got me confused with someone else so PLEASE show me my post where I said systems are better.System play is BETTER for ME I never said it was better for everyone so you  are not  paying attention as usual I would like too see  this proof you have cause I DO not recall  making such claims I KNOW better especially  with you in here you have a tendancy too cause trouble  and strife on this  post that's why you were ABSENT for such a long time and I see  you haven't learned your lesson cause your still  back too your  old ways if I said  quick-picks  were a waste  of time I was referring too  MY time not  other players time I would  never said  something like that because I'm quite sure some players  in this forum do use quick-picks so that would be an insult  too  there method of play and I would have RECIEVED a lot of NEGATIVE responses  for such a remark and I haven't gotten one negative  response not one.)

                tech,

                i  spent the time it took to go thru every page and every post you ever made to make sure that what i said was 100% correct,  and you know what,  you were right,  you never said that about QP's.

                i must have gotten you mixed up with someone else when i said that,  and i offer you my sincerest apologies for implicating you that way,  for something you never said.

                there is one thing i will never do,  and that is lie about someone, what they said,  or who they are,  no matter what goes down between me and another.

                people that lie about thier "opponent" do so because of a weak position.

                my integrity means alot to me, and i work hard on it,  so that it both precedes what i say,  and follows me around after what i say,  and although i am far from being perfect,  i would never intentionally say something that diluted my integrity

                i am not about to auction my integrity off just to "win".

                again,  my sincerest apologies  to you

                VISION

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                  That has been your stand right along - thread after thread.  I agree SPs are probably more than just a buck, not necessarily, but probably.  But then you have the SP player that plays birthdays, license plates, etc; and they probably only play $1 - just like a "QP player."  There is no way to know how many tickets a person buys.  Also there is no way to know if more QPs lose than do self-picked tickets.  If SPs win more prizes, then the loss can be less than a QP.  Example: QP play $1 and lose.  SP play $20 worth of tickets and win $100.  Regardless of the churn, because again, we don't know who puts how much back into play, the SP player comes out ahead.  Just saying it is possible.

                  Many on here (LP) have stated they spend $_ _ on QPs - type in some figure larger than $1.   Some QP players play everyday - some might play once a year. 

                  Let's say it is a given that QP players play $5 or less every time they play and that SP players spend $20 every time they play.  So that just means a different level of either available cash or a different level of commitment.  So?  I wouldn't argue that point.  I am sure you of all people have seen many casino customers sit at the quarter slots - and seen many sit at the $100 table games.  Different commitment.

                  " Example: QP play $1 and lose.  SP play $20 worth of tickets and win $100."

                   

                  is it just me,  or is this but another example of purposeful "see how it works"  inflation of the facts?

                   

                  how many times do systems players play $20 worth of tickets,  and win $100?

                  exactly

                   

                  i know it was an "example",  but really,  that is far from what happens in real life,  so the "example"  becomes faulty.

                  i dunno.   maybe i missed something in the rest of what truecritic tried to say,  but my naturally suspicious inclined two good eyes  darted straight toward that "example"

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                    Thanks for the response Stack.

                    No, you weren't wrong. I was basing the stats of PP's vs. those of QP's purchased from lottery terminals.

                    My main objective was to avoid the esoteric (for me, anyway) minutia and get a yes or no answer to my question.

                    Do either QP's or PP's garner a higher percentage of the winning tickets relative to their percentage of tickets sold?

                    If QP's account for exactly 70% of  tickets sold  and account for exactly 70% of winning tickets,  while PP's account for exactly 30% of tickets sold  and exactly 30% of winning tickets, I just cannot reconcile in my mind one method outperforming the other.

                    If someone could come up with the exact stats in that regard (surely the lotteries know) I would be convinced.

                    I've been told in this thread that PP's are 4 times better than QP's but shouldn't that then be borne out by the results?

                    Or are we back to my other contention that PP players base success more on having all the numbers than on winning money?

                    "If QP's account for exactly 70% of  tickets sold  and account for exactly 70% of winning tickets,  while PP's account for exactly 30% of tickets sold  and exactly 30% of winning tickets, I just cannot reconcile in my mind one method outperforming the other."

                     

                    this right here is the gem of all statements on this thread,  because it portrays with 100% accuracy that there is ZERO difference what a person plays,  because it's random

                     

                     

                    I never said QP's are better than anything else,  only that it is what i play,  because i believe it's random anyway.

                    what i have maintained is that you cannot gain an "edge"  by doing anything,  that will "increase"  your chances of winning.

                    add those two statements up, and it doesn't matter how you play,  it's random

                     

                    the statement by ridge highlighted above proves that the earth is round afterall,  and not flat

                     

                    if that statement was farmed out from a lottery website concerning player statistics,  then you cannot debate those facts.

                    i need to buy ridge an Christmas present now

                    THANK YOU

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                      "If QP's account for exactly 70% of  tickets sold  and account for exactly 70% of winning tickets,  while PP's account for exactly 30% of tickets sold  and exactly 30% of winning tickets, I just cannot reconcile in my mind one method outperforming the other."

                       

                      this right here is the gem of all statements on this thread,  because it portrays with 100% accuracy that there is ZERO difference what a person plays,  because it's random

                       

                       

                      I never said QP's are better than anything else,  only that it is what i play,  because i believe it's random anyway.

                      what i have maintained is that you cannot gain an "edge"  by doing anything,  that will "increase"  your chances of winning.

                      add those two statements up, and it doesn't matter how you play,  it's random

                       

                      the statement by ridge highlighted above proves that the earth is round afterall,  and not flat

                       

                      if that statement was farmed out from a lottery website concerning player statistics,  then you cannot debate those facts.

                      i need to buy ridge an Christmas present now

                      THANK YOU

                      what i  have maintained is that you cannot gain an "edge"  by doing  anything,  that will "increase"  your chances of winning.

                      add those two statements up, and it doesn't matter  how you play,  it's random.


                      I can tell you are a beginner when it comes to the pick 3. lol

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                        You will have to be more specific, KY went on to talk football - not lottery, so I don't know how you are interpreting whatever post you are referring to.  Post the permalink with a detailed explanation of your take on what he is saying.

                        You may be doing it "politely" but you are calling everyone a liar and refusing all explanations offered.  If the people in favor of self-picks are going to perform some kind of test, it is they that will define what "better" means - not you.  It is they that will setup the tests their way, not your way.  If Consumers Report compares washing machines and they say brand A is better than the others, they subject all to a fair test that they determine.  Not the reader.

                        Thus far you have no takers your way.  And I doubt you will get any.

                        One thing I would agree about is that you must buy tickets that say QP and post copies to show you bought them from a lottery terminal - assuming you find a taker.  No RNG from some other source.  Random from some other source would be a self-pick.  Why?  Because when any lottery says 70% of the tickets sold were QPs, they won't include your RNG tickets.

                        Definition: Better because of more winners.  If you buy 100 QPs and someone posts 100 SPs and your QPs have 5 winners (of any $ amount) and SPs have 6 winners (of any $ amount) - the SPs win.  6% SP winners vs 5% QP winners.  There are millions and millions of people that do not win a JP with QP.  You can't compare a JP win to a SP and say it is better than SP.  Same, there are millions and millions of SPs that do not win JPs.  So the test has to be whatever winners pay a $ amount.  Regardless of profit.

                        There may be other rules imposed - I'll leave that up to anyone that wants to perform a test.

                        (1)  KY stated what he/she did on the last page about the "apples to apples"  type challenge,  so look there.

                        not trying to be "difficult",  but it be your responsibility to point me to any place in that thread that "proves" systems over anything, period.

                        you made the claim about that thread,  and i perused it,  but found no "proof". 

                        because you slid that thread out as proof,  it would be up to you to provide the "hyperlink",  etc.

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                        You "may be doing it "politely" but you are calling everyone a liar and refusing all explanations offered"

                        if someone is a liar,  trust me,  i don't worry about political correctness,  and i will call them that square.

                        did you read where i called stack out for lying?

                        but, in here,  if someone is misrepresenting facts,  then yes,  i am going to challenge them on those facts.

                        i refuse what isn't "factual",  so yes,  i have yet to witness either a valid provable "explanation",  or better yet,  something even the most lottery info "less inclined" can relate to.......a demonstration

                        i don't go thru life trying to make enemies and such,  but i have to pick the truths of life over feelings / opinions,  and certainly that becomes polarizing.

                        at the end of the day,  when i pick the truth,  who ever is left standing around me is not by my choice,  it's by theirs.

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                        " If the people in favor of self-picks are going to perform some kind of test, it is they that will define what "better" means - not you.  It is they that will setup the tests their way, not your way.  If Consumers Report compares washing machines and they say brand A is better than the others, they subject all to a fair test that they determine.  Not the reader"

                        that "explanation"  is so completely out of touch with reality,  and the ability to dissent fact from faction,  it would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

                        tragic,  because it's that "don't you dare question the 'experts'"  mantra that guarantee's that cults have 1,000's of members,   or politicians  set the lock step "standard".

                        you just described socialistic lottery play.  lol

                        and that's the trouble with "some" systems players.........as if their "system"  hovers above scrutiny.

                        here are the facts (once again)......you guys (not me)  have been making the statement that systems outperform QP's.

                        when you or anyone else makes that statement,  you offer it up for scrutiny.

                        i think it's WISE to scrutinize everything in life,  including consumers report

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                        "Thus far you have no takers your way.  And I doubt you will get any"

                        and that should be the largest red flag on this board,  because out of all the systems players reading this,  no one will.

                        if i had something i was so sure of,  i would be pushing people out of the way to get me to the front of the line so i could demonstrate what i "have".

                        the fact that no one will,  if you don't get what that does mean,  common sense isn't your BFF concerning this issue.

                        it's an anonoymous board.   it's not like i am going to reach thru the computer and poke someone i the eye.   lol

                        it's because no one really can

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                        "One thing I would agree about is that you must buy tickets that say QP and post copies to show you bought them from a lottery terminal - assuming you find a taker. 

                        being honest,  that's an ongoing smokescreen excuse to keep from having to do a simple apples to apples test in here.

                        playing in the real world with real money?   then yes.

                        testing it in here would still be a "apples to apples" true test,  and that's a really lame ongoing excuse

                         

                        coin toss addressed your "exaggerated" example at the bottom of your post,  so i don't need to

                                    "i am .........."meant to"       

                        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                          what i  have maintained is that you cannot gain an "edge"  by doing  anything,  that will "increase"  your chances of winning.

                          add those two statements up, and it doesn't matter  how you play,  it's random.


                          I can tell you are a beginner when it comes to the pick 3. lol

                          i don't play any other game than a JP game,  and even then i only buy 1QP

                           

                          as far as even the pick3,  with the lowest odds available,   thereby making it "easier"  to crack,  still after being in here 8 years,   i have yet to witness anyone that can actually work this "edge"  everyone talks about.

                          i see people say they can all the time.........never personally witnessed them actually doing it.

                          im just sayin....

                                      "i am .........."meant to"       

                          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                            i don't play any other game than a JP game,  and even then i only buy 1QP

                             

                            as far as even the pick3,  with the lowest odds available,   thereby making it "easier"  to crack,  still after being in here 8 years,   i have yet to witness anyone that can actually work this "edge"  everyone talks about.

                            i see people say they can all the time.........never personally witnessed them actually doing it.

                            im just sayin....

                            VisionDude,

                            You are a wise man.  I wish I had your self control.  Since posting here, I'm catching up with my wife in $ per week spent on the lottery.  You might find my Poll in the Lottery Systems Forum of interest.  It's called PA Daily Number (evening), I think. I should have included "Poll" in the name; might have gotten more response.  In any event, if you enter the Poll and stay tuned to the thread and it's references, you will soon learn why I called you a wise man.

                            --Jimmy

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                              VisionDude,

                              You are a wise man.  I wish I had your self control.  Since posting here, I'm catching up with my wife in $ per week spent on the lottery.  You might find my Poll in the Lottery Systems Forum of interest.  It's called PA Daily Number (evening), I think. I should have included "Poll" in the name; might have gotten more response.  In any event, if you enter the Poll and stay tuned to the thread and it's references, you will soon learn why I called you a wise man.

                              --Jimmy

                              God knows my litany trail of things i pursued in my life in my rear view mirror based on emotion,  so i know all to well the possible toll of chasing something i wasn't supposed to,  just because at that moment i "felt" it was right.

                              took awhile to get here,  with many "expenditures" along the way,  but i know the true value in chasing something that actually is true,  instead of something that "sounds right"

                              these are desperate times,  and as i have alluded to in other threads,  it's a ripe climate to "chase", and exchange common sense for desperation.

                              but man is there peace awarded to the person that picks common sense over "emotion",  and especially over "wishful thinking".

                              people think i am trying to rain on their parade,  and throw out the "negative vibe",  but if you knew me personally,  i am one of the most encouraging  people you would ever meet.

                              what i won't do,  and can't do,  is foster false hope,  in whatever form it masks itself.

                              do i "hope"  you and your wife win something?    OF COURSE

                              but,  if i can "influence"  someone to relax,  and not be so emotionally dependant on their lottery pursuits,  turning them away from "i have to",  to ........"only if i am meant to",   then i fulfilled my self designated job description in here.

                              the person that feathers out his life about the lottery in the vein of "if i am meant to",  will sleep like a newborn at night.

                              people that kill themselves time-wise and money wise chasing something to "make it happen",   that they have ZERO control over,  their sleeping habits are predictable

                              it dawned on me quite awhile ago,  that if i pick the truth over people, over emotion,  over something i precieve at that moment i have to have (or do),  over circumstances,  over opinion,  over pressure from others,  over whatever isn't truly right,  ..........................i know i will have a clear sail on to the end of my life.....

                              .....and i will experience rest in my soul

                              everything opposite of that is a constant wrestling match.

                              it's not like i am opposed to wrestling over something,   but it's gonna be something worth wrestling for,  or about.....

                              then i am all about it

                              judicial / fruitful pursuits are worth ALL the effort one can throw at it,  then walk away,  and if you are "meant to".

                              but dead end - never will "pursuits",   that's not worth lifting your pinkie for

                              all you have to do is apply some common sense,  and you will end up where you are supposed to be

                              VISIONididntalwayshave20/20DUDE

                                          "i am .........."meant to"       

                              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

                                 
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