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Tonight's winning PowerBall numbers: 01 11 20 25 27 +02


Visiondude 46 lines generated using LP RNG

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Jarasan 46 lines

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loss $42


RJOh 18 lines

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 11 25 30 37 52    +23
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loss $18

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    Where I am from,.................... the FAT lady doesn't sing until the game is over.

    6-19-24-33-36 pb 5
    8-19-25-33-36 pb 8
    2-24-25-33-36 pb 10
    7-19-26-33-36 pb 21 
    6-25-26-33-36 pb 22
    10-19-24-25-39 pb 23
    8-19-25-26-39  pb 5
    2-19-24-33-39  pb 8
    6-24-25-33-39  pb 10
    6-19-26-33-39  pb 21
    7-24-26-33-39  pb 22
    2-25-26-33-39  pb 23
    7-19-24-36-39  pb 1
    7-10-25-36-39  pb 2
    2-19-25-36-39  pb 3
    8-24-25-36-39  pb 4
    10-19-26-36-39 pb 6
    2-7-33-36-39   pb 7
    6-8-33-36-39   pb 9
    10-24-33-36-39 pb 10
    6-19-24-25-45  pb 11
    7-19-24-26-45  pb 12
    2-19-25-26-45  pb 13
    7-8-24-33-45   pb 14
    6-10-24-33-45  pb 15
    6-8-25-33-45   pb 16
    6-7-26-33-45   pb 17
    8-10-26-33-45  pb 18
    2-24-26-33-45  pb 19
    7-10-19-36-45  pb 20
    6-7-24-36-45   pb 24
    2-19-24-36-45  pb 25
    7-8-25-36-45   pb 26
    2-10-25-36-45  pb 27
    6-19-26-36-45  pb 28
    2-6-33-36-45   pb 29
    6-8-19-39-45   pb 30
    2-7-24-39-45   pb 31
    8-10-24-39-45  pb 32
    2-6-25-39-45   pb 33
    2-8-26-39-45   pb 34
    6-10-26-39-45  pb 35
    2-10-33-39-45  pb 36
    7-26-36-39-45  pb 37
    2-19-24-25-49  pb 38
    6-19-24-26-49  pb 39

    well, despite the fact that you just insulted every woman over 115lbs  (because obviously hollyweird sets the "standard"),  i am gonna accept.

    ......or should i say i would have,  iffin you had given me a fair heads up,  and posted this not so close to the starting gate time.

    i would have posted my contender QP's  before  that dude blew that really long brass horn to start the race.

    next draw,  at least give me a reasonable heads up,   so we can actually go "heads up".

     

    and,  you now owe my wife an apology,  because i just asked her, and she said she weighs 144Lbs.

     

    P.S.,   on behalf of the board,  i am sure "we" appreciate you sticking your toe into the wading pool.

    you can borrow stacks floaties.   they are new and unused

                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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      well, despite the fact that you just insulted every woman over 115lbs  (because obviously hollyweird sets the "standard"),  i am gonna accept.

      ......or should i say i would have,  iffin you had given me a fair heads up,  and posted this not so close to the starting gate time.

      i would have posted my contender QP's  before  that dude blew that really long brass horn to start the race.

      next draw,  at least give me a reasonable heads up,   so we can actually go "heads up".

       

      and,  you now owe my wife an apology,  because i just asked her, and she said she weighs 144Lbs.

       

      P.S.,   on behalf of the board,  i am sure "we" appreciate you sticking your toe into the wading pool.

      you can borrow stacks floaties.   they are new and unused

      WOW!  You DID post your accomplishment and declared yourself a victorious winner.  Here you go,  in your own blather:

      VD wrote:

      "well,  at least I was willing to go the distance.

      i find it also telling that all the systems players are walking away from this,  and handing me the "victory".

      because,  unless you are willing to extract it out over time yourselfyou can't truthfullly make the claim it was only a fluke that i won.

       

      so,  by default (unless someone actually steps up)........i was right, 

      ......it's purely random

       

      VISIONdiditoncebegladtodoitagainDUDE""

       

      READ THIS CAREFULLY:  YOU SPEAK FOR NOBODY ON THIS BOARD!  Except for yourself.

      You are not a (whatever you are) of your written word. You just spun more than a magarita blender at Sloppy Joes in Key West on a Friday afternoon.  Remember the posts don't disappear,  people can go back and read all about the "force" and your "accomplishments".  You spoke way too soon,  left the starting gate way too early,  and don't know when to shut up.

      The three "contenders" on this thread did horribly on this PB draw,   even on the challenge it was a massacre.   This 7/28/10 PBall draw was for the birthday players.  All 6 numbers were lower than the days of the month and no one won the jackpot,  it rolled.

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        WOW!  You DID post your accomplishment and declared yourself a victorious winner.  Here you go,  in your own blather:

        VD wrote:

        "well,  at least I was willing to go the distance.

        i find it also telling that all the systems players are walking away from this,  and handing me the "victory".

        because,  unless you are willing to extract it out over time yourselfyou can't truthfullly make the claim it was only a fluke that i won.

         

        so,  by default (unless someone actually steps up)........i was right, 

        ......it's purely random

         

        VISIONdiditoncebegladtodoitagainDUDE""

         

        READ THIS CAREFULLY:  YOU SPEAK FOR NOBODY ON THIS BOARD!  Except for yourself.

        You are not a (whatever you are) of your written word. You just spun more than a magarita blender at Sloppy Joes in Key West on a Friday afternoon.  Remember the posts don't disappear,  people can go back and read all about the "force" and your "accomplishments".  You spoke way too soon,  left the starting gate way too early,  and don't know when to shut up.

        The three "contenders" on this thread did horribly on this PB draw,   even on the challenge it was a massacre.   This 7/28/10 PBall draw was for the birthday players.  All 6 numbers were lower than the days of the month and no one won the jackpot,  it rolled.

        i sure did post my "victory"........by default............because no one else at that time of posting (besides RJ)  would come to the table despite 37 pages of "invitations".

        invitations you obviously read,  and did nothing about,  but "supposedly" could have 36 pages ago.

        you blathered this thread yourself with self postulations of what systems players "can do",   but you really didn't show up until page 36.   

         you can't blame me for that one jarasan.

        now that you finally have,  your "all about it" now,  and raising your cackles?    that's pretty funny.

        ********************************************************************************************

        "READ THIS CAREFULLY:  YOU SPEAK FOR NOBODY ON THIS BOARD!  Except for yourself."

         nobody?     except for just "myself"?

          then i must now hold the world's record as far as a persons accumulation of "friends" inside their head,  because as of now,  11,400+  views states someone besides little ole me thinks this thread is worth watching.

        lets say you are right,  that i am all alone on this,  and all those people "watching"  are on your side of the tracks (philosophically speaking),  that would make what i have been saying all along glaringly worse,  because out of all those "people",  only one ever did (until you showed up).

        that sure is a whole lot of insecurity on something so "sure".

        and you were wrong about me "not knowing when to shut up",  because i do.

        it's just that i am a finisher in life,  and i don't make excuses when it's necessary to see things thru to the end.

         

        you didn't give me a heads up before the starting gate on last nights draw,  sose that i had the option to click me some new QP's,  but i got to thinking about it,  and i am willing to play the one set of numbers i first selected,  and never change them up.

        why?   because it's random,  and no amount of wiggling is going to make any difference anyway.

        besides,  anytime i can handicap myself in this deal further, it only serves to make my point thaat much stronger.

        besidesx2,  while you are wringing your hands over which numbers to play,  i have all the time in the world to do whatever i want,  having already clicked on the button,  which took me 12.3 seconds to do

        so now all of a sudden after 37 pages you decided to really show up,  are you going to stay the course and extract this out over time,  so that we can see how this really works?

        the board appeals to your ego on this,  jarasan

         

        your the one that "opined"  it wasn't a "true test",  and that it needed to be done over time.

        so,  are you a "finisher",  or just another swing and a miss?

        VISION

                    "i am .........."meant to"       

        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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          From the jarasan point of view,  and from the scientific method,  this was not conclusive. One go round ain't enough to prove anything.

            Note: rj had all 5 wbs. the random generator did not. 

          A better barometer is the Maddog challenge.

          The quick pickers avoid and diminish the challenge.  They avoid it like the plague,  they ignore the results.  From fja's last challenge statistics update post:

          Total combinedttlttl 
          Hits & 2+02+0hitsttl
          jarasan                       32              20               52
          Maddog10282250
          konane281947
          rcbuckeye291544
          four4me192342
          rjoh231942
          fja211738
          litebets27221638
          raven62221638
          geos*5666221537
          shagadelica211435
          old eagle221234
          winlotta132033
          sully16131932
          blackdave21829
          jonnybgood07131427
          mymonthlypics161127
          magma17926
          emilyg16824
          qwerty928121123
          cope131023
          jking16723
          jordant102161420
          genome14620
          cutlassbob81018
          butch203011718
          Big Hitter10717
          lottol12416
          rojo17815
          ncpowerplayer8614
          rdgrnr8412
          aux8b9312
          thrust5611
          grave8210
          pcurtis549
          mdmegamillplyr538
          j3enator538
          ohiopick3257
          diamondpalace437
          ressuccess437
          tntea246
          ariesdaram246
          marcie606
          joshuacloak145
          ladymylena325
          edge325
          sabresfanatic505
          savagegoose224
          ctech314
          chances09123
          rubyrdlady123
          louiethecat123
          x1kosmic123
          lucki723213
          sfilippo213
          turtle0747213
          thegamegrl303
          ms67plus303
          mxfreekstyle022
          pinkpansies112
          Ncjb112
          flatransplant112
          benmas112
          billybouy112
          lady g98112
          theotherone112
          jonnie011
          olsaman011
          joker831011
          swampfox011
          billy9fingers011
          grandmadec011
          victorl3ichiban011
          rickhuntersv101
          diluxe1101
          luvrh101
          megamillionaire101
          mrscottia101
          floydian101
          friendship101
          tinfoilhat85705101
          gopher07101
          guru101101
          tigerangel101
          slayer 101
          cassdreams101
          dr65101
          jackpot101
          rocket455101

          The top pickers are definitely not using quick picks.  You need to do your test for a minimum of 50 draws.

          "From the jarasan point of view,  and from the scientific method,  this was not conclusive. One go round ain't enough to prove anything".

           

          rut roh.

          i know jarasan is not going to want to add me to his Christmas list now,  but i have to do it.   

          you see,  i don't mind if someone is willing to blast the horn about what they "can do",  or who they supposedly "are",  that's fine.

          it's just that when you do,  be ready to finish what you start.

           

          jarasan,  you made the point above. 

           now let's see if you are going to live up to it

          if you wanna yell at me for something you make up,  or for some cathartic reason it makes you feel better during your "interchanges" with me,  that's fine,  i ain't sensitive

          just do it

                      "i am .........."meant to"       

          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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            This thread may have exposed what really is a winning system, that is a system that losses the least amount of money when actually played which would make a $1 QP or PP the winning-est systems of them all.

            There were no winners or losers since its purpose was to answer statistically the question "Does a player with knowledge of past drawings have an advantage picking his own numbers and combinations over QPs?".  We may never know but apparently no one cares.

            I won't be changing the way I play, I enjoy trying to beat the odds with a system and picking my own numbers and combinations.  I've already picked 21 PB for Saturday drawing, now I just have to pick 21 lines to go with them.  Good luck to all who play regardless of how you pick your combinations.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              "From the jarasan point of view,  and from the scientific method,  this was not conclusive. One go round ain't enough to prove anything".

               

              rut roh.

              i know jarasan is not going to want to add me to his Christmas list now,  but i have to do it.   

              you see,  i don't mind if someone is willing to blast the horn about what they "can do",  or who they supposedly "are",  that's fine.

              it's just that when you do,  be ready to finish what you start.

               

              jarasan,  you made the point above. 

               now let's see if you are going to live up to it

              if you wanna yell at me for something you make up,  or for some cathartic reason it makes you feel better during your "interchanges" with me,  that's fine,  i ain't sensitive

              just do it

              VD you also presume and assume a lot,  all the time. 

              How long did you wring your hands to come up with those responses?  You have no idea how I select anything,  much less how much time it takes.  It  Matters Not to the matter at hand.

              I posted those numbers because I can't stand arrogance,  it oozes off your keyboard. 

              You pick the game,  you pick the number of draws,  you pick the number of lines,  and I and whoever else wants to participate will participate.  The most hits,  least pretend money lost,  wins.

              The starting line is 10 seconds after the last draw time,  the finish line is the draw time for the game.

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                VD you also presume and assume a lot,  all the time. 

                How long did you wring your hands to come up with those responses?  You have no idea how I select anything,  much less how much time it takes.  It  Matters Not to the matter at hand.

                I posted those numbers because I can't stand arrogance,  it oozes off your keyboard. 

                You pick the game,  you pick the number of draws,  you pick the number of lines,  and I and whoever else wants to participate will participate.  The most hits,  least pretend money lost,  wins.

                The starting line is 10 seconds after the last draw time,  the finish line is the draw time for the game.

                "I posted those numbers because I can't stand arrogance,  and it oozes off your keyboard"

                oh geeze.  don't be a drama queen, jarasan.   between the two of us,   you win the 'most arrogant' prize at LP by a landslide over me.   calling people names isn't exactly "humble joe"  territory.   

                cut the act.   your just a little miffed that someone has the guts to not only challenge you guys,  but to actually see it thru.

                it's been pretty telling that people like you get "irritated" over someone like me. 

                  it's a simple challenge to find out about randomness,  and you getting your hackles going over something like this says alot.

                it really should be "no big deal".    but instead,  your crying about someone challenging you on a position of "strength"?   lol

                your mistaking my "staying power" with "arrogance",  but the truth is......(a)  i don't get intimidated when i am being the "unpopular facillitator"..........(b)  i don't let people off the hook,  that put themselves on it

                *********************************************************************************************

                now why would i "pick the game"?    that makes zero sense.

                 i play 1 QP,    and it's you guys that play all these different games,  etc.

                you pick the game..........because then you  will have "the edge",  and i (supposedly) won't.   

                 i like that

                i will like it  (and so will everyone else),  when you pick a game that you work hard on,  and i show up with my previously random - only picked once numbers.

                since i am a nice guy / facillitator,  i will copy my previous once and for all QP's,  and paste them right next to your numbers, right after you post them,  so no one has to go 5 pages back to look for them.

                when do we start?   Hyper

                            "i am .........."meant to"       

                P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                  "I posted those numbers because I can't stand arrogance,  and it oozes off your keyboard"

                  oh geeze.  don't be a drama queen, jarasan.   between the two of us,   you win the 'most arrogant' prize at LP by a landslide over me.   calling people names isn't exactly "humble joe"  territory.   

                  cut the act.   your just a little miffed that someone has the guts to not only challenge you guys,  but to actually see it thru.

                  it's been pretty telling that people like you get "irritated" over someone like me. 

                    it's a simple challenge to find out about randomness,  and you getting your hackles going over something like this says alot.

                  it really should be "no big deal".    but instead,  your crying about someone challenging you on a position of "strength"?   lol

                  your mistaking my "staying power" with "arrogance",  but the truth is......(a)  i don't get intimidated when i am being the "unpopular facillitator"..........(b)  i don't let people off the hook,  that put themselves on it

                  *********************************************************************************************

                  now why would i "pick the game"?    that makes zero sense.

                   i play 1 QP,    and it's you guys that play all these different games,  etc.

                  you pick the game..........because then you  will have "the edge",  and i (supposedly) won't.   

                   i like that

                  i will like it  (and so will everyone else),  when you pick a game that you work hard on,  and i show up with my previously random - only picked once numbers.

                  since i am a nice guy / facillitator,  i will copy my previous once and for all QP's,  and paste them right next to your numbers, right after you post them,  so no one has to go 5 pages back to look for them.

                  when do we start?   Hyper

                  No. Go play with yourself.

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                    This thread may have exposed what really is a winning system, that is a system that losses the least amount of money when actually played which would make a $1 QP or PP the winning-est systems of them all.

                    There were no winners or losers since its purpose was to answer statistically the question "Does a player with knowledge of past drawings have an advantage picking his own numbers and combinations over QPs?".  We may never know but apparently no one cares.

                    I won't be changing the way I play, I enjoy trying to beat the odds with a system and picking my own numbers and combinations.  I've already picked 21 PB for Saturday drawing, now I just have to pick 21 lines to go with them.  Good luck to all who play regardless of how you pick your combinations.

                    "Does a player with knowledge of past drawings have an advantage picking his own numbers and combinations over QPs?"

                    It depends how many combinations you're talking about, which game, and what is considered an accurate test. With over 175 million possible outcomes in PB and MM, it's difficult to determine what is a fair test. It's not very constructive trying to prove what is already know either. The odds of winning anything is about 1 in 40 so any 40 different combos should win back something.

                    The knowledge of statistical probably is useful to a player undecided about purchasing 50 PPs or 50 QPs. The only test would be to purchase both, but since the player was never going to spend $100 in the first place and someone else bought the QPs, it would still prove nothing.

                    "We may never know but apparently no one cares."

                    I never read where you or anybody else claimed that their system would out perform a like number of QPs an RNG. Since you have the same option of checking of your system against LP's RNG, what difference did it make checking it against somebody else using the same RNG?

                    The only one caring is the one whose 20 combos lost $1 less than yours on paper.

                    I've followed your thread "Developing a Winning MegaMillions System" from the beginning and it provided lots of useful information for playing any online lottery game. What useful gaming information can players get from reading about RNG picks vs system picks, when they already know the probable outcome; so why should they care?

                    "I've already picked 21 PB for Saturday drawing, now I just have to pick 21 lines to go with them."

                    And if you're purchasing tickets, the object for you is to match some or all 5 wbs and hopefully 5 of them; with the bonus number too. The performance of 21 purchased QPs or 21 RNG picks posted on this thread has absolutely no affect on the performance of your tickets.

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                      No. Go play with yourself.

                      i already knew the answer you would give,  before i even clicked on the "post reply " button anyway.   

                       i know people,  remember?

                       

                      anyway,  don't blame me.   you were the one that stated one "test" proved nothing.   so "we"  needed to see if you back up what you say

                       

                      i will have to go play by myself,  because you or your constituents aren't interested in showcasing your "skills".

                       

                      this threads scorecard........

                      one win for the QP crowd,   with me edging out rj

                      and one win for the "systems"  crowd.  (i put "crowd" in bold, because there sure are alot of them.  all silent)

                       

                      now,  me not being good at math,  even I can add that up.........it's even steven,  which means it's completely random,  no matter HOW you pick your numbers.

                       

                      which means i was right from page 1

                       

                      VISION

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                        i already knew the answer you would give,  before i even clicked on the "post reply " button anyway.   

                         i know people,  remember?

                         

                        anyway,  don't blame me.   you were the one that stated one "test" proved nothing.   so "we"  needed to see if you back up what you say

                         

                        i will have to go play by myself,  because you or your constituents aren't interested in showcasing your "skills".

                         

                        this threads scorecard........

                        one win for the QP crowd,   with me edging out rj

                        and one win for the "systems"  crowd.  (i put "crowd" in bold, because there sure are alot of them.  all silent)

                         

                        now,  me not being good at math,  even I can add that up.........it's even steven,  which means it's completely random,  no matter HOW you pick your numbers.

                         

                        which means i was right from page 1

                         

                        VISION

                        which means it's completely random no matter HOW you pick your numbers.

                        I have to disagree with you on that one. Surely, no matter what method one chooses, at the end it's still a random event during a draw, but the selection process allows the individual to have a tad better edge over QPs. I'm not saying this because I'm smarter than you, but because of past experience in trends and patterns.

                        Let's take the P-3 as an easy example. Last night's Florida evening winning number was 139. 139 has an equal chance of coming out tonight again, but I'll bet you 100 bucks that it won't.  How can I possibly make such a bold claim?....It's called trends, patterns, and probability. Based on past experience, I know very well that the possibility of 139 repeaing tonight is extremely rare. It has happen many times in the past, but it's something like a 1% chance, maybe 2%, not sure.

                        That was a simple example, but there are many many more examples of insights you can gain after studying numbers like I have for the past 22 years. On top of the insight, I bought a book years ago by an author named Koycerin, titled 'The Koycerin Method". He basically blew the contemporary theory out of the water taught in universities who teach randomness and chaos. What he basically wrote was that in a basic 50/50 game, when one side is weighted, with every succession, the other side is more and more itching to balance itself out.

                        As an example he gives, a roulette game where red and black are played. Suppose red comes in 10 times in a row. Surely red can come in during the 11th spin, but here's what Koycerin stresses. What would you bet on? Black or red? Black of course.

                        I agree with you that there are no guarantees no matter how great one's analysis of a game is, but it does prevent one from avoiding obvious pitfalls that are a no brainer to a learned person. And again, like I've written before, the reason QP winners have a strong presence is not because QPs are effective, but because more people play QPs.

                        Whenever I play Florida Fantasy Five QPs, I notice the machine seems to pick 3 numbers from last night's draw a lot of the time, and that's why I stopped playing QPs. 

                        A little over a year ago, I won $720.00 in the Fantasy Five with one ticket. I picked the numbers myself. 

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                          which means it's completely random no matter HOW you pick your numbers.

                          I have to disagree with you on that one. Surely, no matter what method one chooses, at the end it's still a random event during a draw, but the selection process allows the individual to have a tad better edge over QPs. I'm not saying this because I'm smarter than you, but because of past experience in trends and patterns.

                          Let's take the P-3 as an easy example. Last night's Florida evening winning number was 139. 139 has an equal chance of coming out tonight again, but I'll bet you 100 bucks that it won't.  How can I possibly make such a bold claim?....It's called trends, patterns, and probability. Based on past experience, I know very well that the possibility of 139 repeaing tonight is extremely rare. It has happen many times in the past, but it's something like a 1% chance, maybe 2%, not sure.

                          That was a simple example, but there are many many more examples of insights you can gain after studying numbers like I have for the past 22 years. On top of the insight, I bought a book years ago by an author named Koycerin, titled 'The Koycerin Method". He basically blew the contemporary theory out of the water taught in universities who teach randomness and chaos. What he basically wrote was that in a basic 50/50 game, when one side is weighted, with every succession, the other side is more and more itching to balance itself out.

                          As an example he gives, a roulette game where red and black are played. Suppose red comes in 10 times in a row. Surely red can come in during the 11th spin, but here's what Koycerin stresses. What would you bet on? Black or red? Black of course.

                          I agree with you that there are no guarantees no matter how great one's analysis of a game is, but it does prevent one from avoiding obvious pitfalls that are a no brainer to a learned person. And again, like I've written before, the reason QP winners have a strong presence is not because QPs are effective, but because more people play QPs.

                          Whenever I play Florida Fantasy Five QPs, I notice the machine seems to pick 3 numbers from last night's draw a lot of the time, and that's why I stopped playing QPs. 

                          A little over a year ago, I won $720.00 in the Fantasy Five with one ticket. I picked the numbers myself. 

                          Let's take the P-3 as an easy example. Last night's Florida evening winning number was 139. 139 has an equal chance of coming out tonight again, but I'll bet you 100 bucks that it won't.  How can I possibly make such a bold claim?....It's called trends, patterns, and probability. Based on past experience, I know very well that the possibility of 139 repeaing tonight is extremely rare. It has happen many times in the past, but it's something like a 1% chance, maybe 2%, not sure.

                          You call that a bold bet?  The odds of any number coming up is 1:1000.  You could make that bet on any number and 999 times out of a 1000, you're going to win.  If you would allow me to cover that bet with a dime then it would be a bold bet because then you would be betting 1000:1 that it wouldn't repeat and that its chances of repeating is less then its 1:1000 chances of coming up like the other 999 numbers.

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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                            Let's take the P-3 as an easy example. Last night's Florida evening winning number was 139. 139 has an equal chance of coming out tonight again, but I'll bet you 100 bucks that it won't.  How can I possibly make such a bold claim?....It's called trends, patterns, and probability. Based on past experience, I know very well that the possibility of 139 repeaing tonight is extremely rare. It has happen many times in the past, but it's something like a 1% chance, maybe 2%, not sure.

                            You call that a bold bet?  The odds of any number coming up is 1:1000.  You could make that bet on any number and 999 times out of a 1000, you're going to win.  If you would allow me to cover that bet with a dime then it would be a bold bet because then you would be betting 1000:1 that it wouldn't repeat and that its chances of repeating is less then its 1:1000 chances of coming up like the other 999 numbers.

                            OK, maybe I exaggerated on that one, but I was merely making a point about trends in it's most simplistic form. Trends and patterns are a lot more complicated than that, but I don't know how enlightened Visiondude is, so I started from the very basic.

                             

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                              OK, maybe I exaggerated on that one, but I was merely making a point about trends in it's most simplistic form. Trends and patterns are a lot more complicated than that, but I don't know how enlightened Visiondude is, so I started from the very basic.

                               

                              I couldn't resist jumping on that.  If I played pick3 and had a file on the local pick3, I would go back and check if there was less than one straight hit repeat every 1000 drawings and less the one box hit repeat every 220 drawings to see if what you said was true for the local pick3.  Maybe one of LP pick3 players have that information for one of the games they play.

                              Actually, the states will bet you $500 that won't happen and you can cover that bet with only a dollar.

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